Ebola nurse Kaci Hickox violates quarantine, dares you to do something about it

posted at 12:41 pm on October 30, 2014 by Noah Rothman

Once portrayed in the press as the face of noble resistance to Gov. Chris Christie’s draconian policy of consigning health care workers who were potentially exposed to Ebola in West Africa to a mandatory quarantine, nurse Kaci Hickox is rapidly expending the media’s politically-motivated goodwill.

While it is fair to say that most members of the medical community believe that Hickox is not a threat to those around her – she has tested negative for the disease, reports that she is feeling fine, and would not be contagious at this stage even if she were infected – some medical professionals are not entirely positive that Ebola cannot be spread by asymptomatic individuals. It is out of an abundance of caution that a number of states, including Hickox’s home state of Maine, have requested that at-risk individuals abide by a voluntary in-home quarantine.

Hickox is not playing along. The media darling who threatened to sue the state of New Jersey for violating her constitutional rights is now insisting that she will not self-isolate. On Thursday, Hickox left her house for a bike ride with her boyfriend.

“Kaci Hickox and her boyfriend stepped out of their home Thursday morning and rode away on bicycles, followed by state police who were monitoring her movements and public interactions,” the Associated Press reported. “Police couldn’t detain her without a court order signed by a judge.”

Hickox contends there’s no need for quarantine because she’s showing no symptoms. She’s also tested negative for the deadly disease.

State officials were going to court in an effort to detain Hickox for the remainder of the 21-day incubation period for Ebola that ends on Nov. 10.

It was the second time Hickox broke quarantine. She left her home Wednesday evening briefly to speak to reporters, even shaking a hand that was offered to her.

The problem with Hickox’s behavior is not that she is putting the public at risk. Her actions are problematic because she is so flagrantly and contemptuously violating measures put in place by public officials in order to calm a nervous public.

Hickox has such faith in her own deductive powers that she does not believe precautionary measures like quarantining should apply to her or anyone else, and she may be right. But her disregard for consensus opinion is only likely to inspire a backlash and result in the imposition of even stricter quarantining measures.

On Thursday, a medical professional appeared on CNN where he lamented how Chris Christie had started a “dangerous trend” by imposing a quarantine on health care workers returning from West Africa. He lamented the fact that “public health decisions now made by lawmakers and politicians,” as though this is a new condition.

Hickox’s actions reveal why political professionals are entrusted by the public with the responsibility of crafting and implementing policy and illustrate why, in their infinite wisdom, the founders did not impose a technocratic counsel of clinicians on America. This nurse’s behavior exposes a lack of concern for political realities, even those with which she disagrees. Hickox wishes the public were more empirical. She believes that Americans and their elected representatives are reacting irrationally and she is a victim of their hysteria. Even if she has a point, by ignoring the will of the public she is behaving in a manner so self-obsessed and juvenile that it reflects poorly on her and the selfless members of her profession who devote their time and energies to containing the Ebola outbreak in Africa.

She is effectively daring her state’s authorities to rethink their quarantining policy. She might get her wish, but the outcome of this policy review is unlikely to be the one she desires.

Kaci Hickox thinks he is making a noble stand against injustice. In reality, she is only making things worse. A political professional can see that clearly, but it seems that a devotee of empiricism and science cannot.

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She could become famous “Ebola Kaci”

Sven on October 30, 2014 at 2:13 PM

Perhaps Kaci is a distant descendant of “Typhoid Mary”. Apparently she is cut from the same cloth, regardless of actual relation.

In both cases, selfish desires and perceived needs trumped the health and welfare of others.

s1im on October 30, 2014 at 3:41 PM

I find it strange that she was only there(West Africa) for 4 weeks…. I think it’s time for someone to find out just excatly what she was doing while she was there. It seems ot me that if you REALLY wanted ot go over there and help you’d stay longer than 4 weeks…no?

Von Kleist on October 30, 2014 at 3:36 PM

I think it’s about time we found this out, great point.

But the only mainstream type journalist that might to it is Sharyl Attkison.

ConstantineXI on October 30, 2014 at 3:50 PM

The problem with Hickox’s behavior is not that she is putting the public at risk. Her actions are problematic because she is so flagrantly and contemptuously violating measures put in place by public officials in order to calm a nervous public.

Hickox has such faith in her own deductive powers that she does not believe precautionary measures like quarantining should apply to her or anyone else, and she may be right. But her disregard for consensus opinion is only likely to inspire a backlash and result in the imposition of even stricter quarantining measures.

Not just calm; it is financially and practically simpler to monitor one potentially contagious person in the beginning, than to track down all of the second and third hand potentials who were needlessly exposed to the disease. (Point made in earlier threads).
Also, someone commented that Hickox missed a chance to become a media darling and star by blogging her quarantine.

AesopFan on October 30, 2014 at 3:55 PM

What do you call Kaci Hickox on a bicycle.?. An Ebolacoaster

What do you call the hissy fit some narcissistic, red haired, liberal nurse is having for being inconvenienced by an at home quarantine to ensure the public’s heath.?.
A Ginger Snap.

Knock knock.
Who’s there?
Kaci Hickox.
Kaci Hickox who?
Kaci Hickox down the door to get Ebola all over you.

What red whine only takes 21 days to settle.?. Chateau Hickox

StubbornGreenBurros on October 30, 2014 at 3:58 PM

If she is not infected with Ebola, she will simply garner the ill will and ire of those who believe that the self-quarantine-and-not-locked-away-quarantine should work in a decent society. She is simply proving that some people are so selfish that they will never abide by reasonable common sense when it comes to the welfare of others.

If she is infected, especially if she infects any other people, then she had not only risked her life and the lives all of of those with which she comes into contact, but she has doomed for good the quarantine-yourself movement.

She is being very, very foolish.

Theophile on October 30, 2014 at 3:59 PM

Yes it is. While the libertarian in me can make an argument that the government has no right to quarantine people, one must also realize that our Natural Rights, both enumerated and non enumerated ARE NOT A SUICIDE PACT, and that they END at our neighbor’s person.

IE: my right to throw a punch ENDS at my neighbor’s jaw.

Your right to go about in public after voluntarily (or otherwise) going into a deadly disease hot zone ENDS at the possibility of spreading the disease to others who did not do so, and 3 weeks of isolation are NOT an unreasonable request…
ConstantineXI on October 30, 2014 at 12:56 PM

Indeed.

AesopFan on October 30, 2014 at 4:04 PM

Oct 30, 2014 at 3:20 pm ConstantineXI

She traveled to Africa, worked with Ebola patients less than 21 days ago, refuses to stay away from the public until that 21 days has passed. That more than meets the standard of probable cause to get a warrant.
That’s certainly way more than the FISA courts require from the NSA.

So anyone with exposure to Ebola within 21 days needs to be quarantined? How about the health care workers at Bellevue? Emory? Nebraska? And what would the warrant be for? Theoretically posing a danger to the public? What if she took a blood test that day which showed no evidence of ebola? How could you prove she was a risk?

cam2 on October 30, 2014 at 4:06 PM

She is being very, very foolish.

Theophile on October 30, 2014 at 3:59 PM

Not to mention being arrogant, selfish, unprofessional, narcissistic, contemptuous, and willing political tool.

When real medical professionals act responsibly and professionally, she’s exposed as the Sandra Fluke wannabe she is.

Athos on October 30, 2014 at 4:08 PM

The medical community is taking Ebola seriously….just not exactly in the way that the Obama admin might have been hoping for.

IF the plan was to import Ebola at the risk of the general public here in the US for the purpose of creating a massive crisis that would having people crying out to the government to “save us”, the medical community has thrown a spoke in the works on that little plan.

Oh, at the national level, there’s mixed messages. But at your local healthcare provider level, they aren’t so far gone in sense of loyalty to the community, professional moral ethics, etc., to chunk prudence for the sake of blindly following the government’s lead on this one. They’ve leaned towards the side of caution, which is exactly how it should be when the disease in question has the mortality rate Ebola has.

If they followed the lead of the federal government and simply threw caution to the wind…then it would have been much easier for operation “Ebola Chaos” to succeed.

lineholder on October 30, 2014 at 1:33 PM

We hope they can hold the line; it wouldn’t surprise me to see our esteemed HHS and DOJ intervene on the side of the no-quarantine-because-it-hurts-people’s-feelings side.

IF there was a conspiracy, as you suggest, it would make more sense to stay out of the fight, so no one could point to the Obamatista’s as being sponsors of the epidemic. I can see a long game being played out the way you and some others imply, but it involves a lot of tricky double-negative posturing that seems a bit complex for the ineptocrats at the helm.

AesopFan on October 30, 2014 at 4:17 PM

So anyone with exposure to Ebola within 21 days needs to be quarantined? How about the health care workers at Bellevue? Emory? Nebraska? And what would the warrant be for? Theoretically posing a danger to the public? What if she took a blood test that day which showed no evidence of ebola? How could you prove she was a risk?

cam2 on October 30, 2014 at 4:06 PM

The threat of risk to the public outweighs your right to travel. Ebola is a super deadly disease with a fatality rate of 50-90%. The incubation period is 21 days (or more!), but at LEAST 21 days.

A blood test taken on Day 1 or even day 20 is irrelevant until you test negative on Day 22.

As I said, our Natural Rights allow you to do whatever you want with your fist: short of smashing it into your neighbor’s jaw.

Way, WAY above the threshold of “probable cause” to get a warrant for her arrest. She has openly defied the quarantine and been seen in public. She has admitted to being in Africa in an Ebola zone (as an Ebola volunteer) within the last 21 days. The right of the public who lives around her to EXIST then supersedes her right to mix with them for 21 days.

ConstantineXI on October 30, 2014 at 4:20 PM

I admire her pluck, if not her savvy.

This woman appears to be unfamiliar with the concept of dealing with an incompetent superior. Unjustly being forced to eat one excrement sandwich is no fun, but it’s better than being forced to follow it with a double decker.

alchemist19 on October 30, 2014 at 4:21 PM

So anyone with exposure to Ebola within 21 days needs to be quarantined?

cam2 on October 30, 2014 at 4:06 PM

That’s the rule in place for US military personnel who are assisting in those West African nations. Why would the rules be any different for them than for medical professionals who might even have closer contact?

That’s only one of the numerous contradictions that exist within the ‘official’ government policy.

Part of the challenge is that we still are learning about Ebola. But a disease that can take up to 21 days from exposure to the point where one is symptomatic, is contagious, and has a 50%+ mortality rate should call for siding on the side of caution. A real medical professional would act as the Dr in CA is acting – not like a political tool like Hickox.

And far too few are asking any real questions about Hickox and the timing of her appearance, her lawyer, publishing an ‘open letter’ op-ed in a Dallas paper the day after her arrival in NJ, her role at the CDC, and her specific actions while in West Africa.

I hope she doesn’t become symptomatic and contracts Ebola. But she’s being as irresponsible, arrogant, contemptuous, and unprofessional as Drs Spencer and Snyderman.

The risk of Ebola should be sufficient to encourage caution and professionalism. And plenty of real professionals will volunteer to go to West Africa and accept a 21 day quarantine to ensure their health and those of their family, neighbors, and co-workers.

Athos on October 30, 2014 at 4:22 PM

In my opinion, she’s not deducing, wish-casting, fortune-telling, or anything like that. She knows, with certainty, that she doesn’t have it.

Midas on October 30, 2014 at 1:32 PM

I tend to agree. This whole thing is a giant administration setup. How else could a CDC employee get an op-ed into national papers within 24 hours of being detained at the airport?

Missy on October 30, 2014 at 4:29 PM

I find it strange that she was only there(West Africa) for 4 weeks…. I think it’s time for someone to find out just excatly what she was doing while she was there. It seems ot me that if you REALLY wanted ot go over there and help you’d stay longer than 4 weeks…no?
 
Von Kleist on October 30, 2014 at 3:36 PM

 
Because it’s most likely a scam.
 
She’s the equivalent of a styrofoam column or the anonymous nobodies standing behind President Obama in lab coats when he speechifies about mediciney stuff.

rogerb on October 30, 2014 at 4:32 PM

She is getting off on this. So typical of these leftists females who think everything revolves around them.

The Notorious G.O.P on October 30, 2014 at 4:34 PM

I hope that when she goes looking for a nursing job everyone turns her down. She’s truly no shining example of her profession. She is a pain in the ass narcissist.

SC.Charlie on October 30, 2014 at 4:37 PM

She is simply proving that some people are so selfish that they will never abide by reasonable common sense when it comes to the welfare of others.

Theophile on October 30, 2014 at 3:59 PM

And this is one of the fundamental problems in a free republic. These sorts of people are the ones that eventually make the crowd clamor for the government to DO SOMETHING! Then comes the regulation, the crackdowns, the fascism. This sort of thing is one of the few areas that government should actually handle. But even at that, the answer from the crowd – if she comes down with obola and infects *anyone* else – will be more loss of freedom for everyone because it will probably be an over-reaction.

A simple, easy-to-follow regimen of isolation (quarantine) that is evenly applied, would benefit everyone. It shouldn’t be that big of a deal. And it would have a very light touch from the government. But that wouldn’t serve the purposes of “Oh, no, obola isn’t a problem at all! Look a squirrel!” at all.

GWB on October 30, 2014 at 4:38 PM

Oct 30, 2014 at 4:20 pm ConstantineXI

Again, probable cause to arrest her for what crime?. And again, are you advocating quarantine of all staff at Bellevue, Emory and Nebraska who have treated or are treating Ebola patient? If not, why not?

cam2 on October 30, 2014 at 4:39 PM

I hope that when she goes looking for a nursing job everyone turns her down. She’s truly no shining example of her profession. She is a pain in the ass narcissist.
 
SC.Charlie on October 30, 2014 at 4:37 PM

 
There are no nursing jobs in her future. She’ll be claiming her 100K+/year liberal thinktank reward job soon.

rogerb on October 30, 2014 at 4:41 PM

Young, single, college-educated women like Hickox are one big reason we’ve been stuck with Obama for two terms.

Flog the wench, I say – good and hard.

Adjoran on October 30, 2014 at 4:43 PM

Should read “Young, single, college-educated women like Hickox who think they are smarter than anyone else …”

Adjoran on October 30, 2014 at 4:44 PM

This woman appears to be unfamiliar with the concept of dealing with an incompetent superior epidemiology.

alchemist19 on October 30, 2014 at 4:21 PM

FIFY

GWB on October 30, 2014 at 4:50 PM

Damn, even the noble doctor who went to work in the Ebola region and came down with Ebola, lied to New York authorities about the fact that he did not quarantine himself. He only came clean after the authorities did some investigating and they found out that he had been out and about. What the hell has happened to old fashioned integrity?

SC.Charlie on October 30, 2014 at 5:09 PM

Wait, rules don’t apply to liberals?

Shocking…

rightConcept on October 30, 2014 at 5:11 PM

Is she employed? If so, her employer should fire her just for being insubordinate.

RebeccaH on October 30, 2014 at 5:27 PM

So anyone with exposure to Ebola within 21 days needs to be quarantined? How about the health care workers at Bellevue? Emory? Nebraska?

cam2 on October 30, 2014 at 4:06 PM

Yes, this is how epidemiological quarantines work.

And since 2 health care workers here in the US have actually caught Ebola from working with an Ebola-infected patient, you’ll hae no basis on which to say that health care workers at

Bellevue? Emory? Nebraska?

are somehow immune when they work with an infected patient.

See how this works? Quarantine is an inconvenience at its worst; catching Ebola is like a coin toss for a death sentence.

Are you willing to stake your life on that coin toss? Or, if not your own, how about your kids?

Here’s a question: would you be willing to have Nurse Kaci or any other recently-returned health care provider work at your child’s daycare?

Would you send your children or grandchildren up to give one of these nice folks a big hug?

Dolce Far Niente on October 30, 2014 at 5:39 PM

Just another left wing twit seeking a little attention.

rplat on October 30, 2014 at 5:44 PM

Anyone interviewed her parents, yet, or did they already die from embarrassment?

Christien on October 30, 2014 at 1:15 PM

Here is an interview with Kaci’s proud mother, Karen Hickox:

About six weeks ago as Kaci Hickox was leaving for Sierra Leone to work with Doctors without Borders she sent her mom a text: “Mom I get to go help people.”

“That’s how she feels,” said her mother Karen Hickox, 64. “She wants to go help people.”

But the Texas native has been less excited about her trip back into the United States.

Read the rest of the interview here:

http://www.nj.com/essex/index.ssf/2014/10/mom_of_nurse_quarantined_for_ebola_she_was_very_frustrated.html

It’s about time for the Maine media to do a follow up interview with Karen Hickox.

wren on October 30, 2014 at 5:47 PM

Meet Kaci Hickox’s boyfriend, Theodore Wilbur.

Video at this link:

http://video.nydailynews.com/Theodore-Wilbur-boyfriend-of-Nurse-Kaci-Hickox-28010728#.VFKyhOotBjo

Interesting that in the video Theodore says 4 of Kaci’s “staff” died of Ebola while she was away.

Yet he is happy to share a house with her. This story keeps getting curiouser and curiouser.

wren on October 30, 2014 at 5:57 PM

I think the whole thing was staged.

She had her civil rights lawyers lined up. Now she is trying to force a court challenge. Usefully timed for the magic 2 weeks before a major election, when politicians freeze

The MSM is helping her by not acting like breaking an ebola quarantine is a bad thing, and everyone has to make the compulsory remark about her being a hero in Africa

It was a setup

If they play it right, it weakens Christie, and the governor of Maine, who is always linked in the MSM as Tea Party (are there enough tea party in Maine to elect a tea party governor?)

Ultimate goal is to break State quarantine powers and transfer power to the federal government

She is despicable. As is the lying doctor of NYC

I dont have to call them heros. In at least one case I think there is political motive. Playing ebola politics is as low as you can go.

entagor on October 30, 2014 at 6:00 PM

I find it strange that she was only there(West Africa) for 4 weeks…. I think it’s time for someone to find out just excatly what she was doing while she was there. It seems ot me that if you REALLY wanted ot go over there and help you’d stay longer than 4 weeks…no?

Von Kleist on October 30, 2014 at 3:36 PM

I didnt know that. I did read she had been turned down by Doctors without Borders, so she tried elsewhere until she made a hit

I believe this was timed for the election

entagor on October 30, 2014 at 6:05 PM

Anyone interviewed her parents, yet, or did they already die from embarrassment?

Christien on October 30, 2014 at 1:15 PM

Kaci Hickox’s father is Leon Hickox according to this article:

In a telephone interview Saturday night, Hickox’s father, Leon Hickox, told the Times that his daughter “is not ill in any way.”

Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/2014/10/25/6230904/ut-arlington-grad-is-quarantined.html#storylink=cpy

wren on October 30, 2014 at 6:09 PM

Oct 30, 2014 at 5:39 pm Dolce Far Niente

And since 2 health care workers here in the US have actually caught Ebola from working with an Ebola-infected patient, you’ll hae no basis on which to say that health care workers at
Bellevue? Emory? Nebraska?
are somehow immune when they work with an infected patient.
See how this works? Quarantine is an inconvenience at its worst; catching Ebola is like a coin toss for a death sentence.
Are you willing to stake your life on that coin toss? Or, if not your own, how about your kids?
Here’s a question: would you be willing to have Nurse Kaci or any other recently-returned health care provider work at your child’s daycare?
Would you send your children or grandchildren up to give one of these nice folks a big hug?

And yet the workers at Bellevue, Emory and Nebraska are not being quarantined, even now. Kaci is not asking to be allowed to perform patient care. She wants to be able to leave her home. There is no reason to believe that doing so will hurt anyone. Its no accident that none of Thomas Dunkin’s family or friends became sick, even his fiance, who slept in the same bed with him. The only ones to fall ill were those who had direct contact with his blood, diarrhea or vomit. Unless Kaci becomes ill, which she has not, she is not going to be a risk to the general public.

cam2 on October 30, 2014 at 6:10 PM

Here is the statement from Doctors Without Borders about Kaci Hickox.

October 29 Statement on Regulations for Health Care Workers Returning From West Africa

October 29, 2014

Doctors Without Borders/Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) strongly disagrees with blanket forced quarantine for health care workers returning from Ebola affected countries. Such a measure is not based upon established medical science.

Kaci Hickox has carried out important, lifesaving work for MSF in a number of countries in recent years, and we are proud to have her as a member of our organization. MSF respects Kaci’s right as a private citizen to challenge excessive restrictions being placed upon her.

MSF supports and implements scientifically grounded monitoring measures for all returned aid workers. This is in accordance with the recommendations of public health experts.

Since the beginning of MSF’s response to the outbreak in West Africa in March, the organization has been actively engaged with health authorities in the United States and abroad to develop and improve appropriate and effective monitoring measures to protect aid workers and public health.

Quarantine will only undermine efforts to curb the epidemic at its source in West Africa, as MSF announced on October 27.

Since the beginning of the outbreak, MSF has admitted more than 4,900 patients to its Ebola treatment centers in Guinea, Liberia, and Sierra Leone, where MSF currently employs 270 international staff members and more than 3,000 locally hired staff.

http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/article/october-29-statement-regulations-health-care-workers-returning-west-africa

The American people need to apply more pressure to Doctors Without Borders to get them to require their employees to comply with quarantine restrictions when they leave Ebola hot zones.

wren on October 30, 2014 at 6:19 PM

In a telephone interview Saturday night, Hickox’s father, Leon Hickox, told the Times that his daughter “is not ill in any way.”

Except in the head…

SailorMark on October 30, 2014 at 6:25 PM

Hickox has such faith in her own deductive powers that she does not believe precautionary measures like quarantining should apply to her or anyone else, and she may be right.

Except, y’know, the whole fact that the same week she was quarantined you had a doc, with the exact same mindset, lying his ass off to officials and became quite symptomatic.

Ebola on October 30, 2014 at 6:28 PM

What a selfish person, we can only hope she does not eventually develop the disease and if she does, we can only hope attempted manslaughter charges are brought forth soon after.

DDay on October 30, 2014 at 6:35 PM

One to the head for not following the quarantine. Once folks see that this is being taken deadly seriously, you will likely get 100% compliance.

geezerintraining on October 30, 2014 at 6:41 PM

Even if she has a point,

She doesn’t. People who work with Ebola patients abroad should be quarantined BEFORE they are allowed to return and, if they manage to slime back in before that they need to be quarantined, here. Also, it’s clear that they can’t be trusted so that quarantine needs to be by law.

If this ditz doesn’t like that she should be shipped right back to Ebolaville, Africa.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on October 30, 2014 at 6:51 PM

In a telephone interview Saturday night, Hickox’s father, Leon Hickox, told the Times that his daughter “is not ill in any way.”

Evidently, the whole family comprise the foremost Ebola experts in the world. Ship the whole gang to Africa where they are in dire need of a family of people who can positively and definitively assess Ebola infections with nothing more than a thermometer or even over the phone.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on October 30, 2014 at 6:56 PM

Oct 30, 2014 at 6:51 pm ThePrimordialOrderedPair

People who work with Ebola patients abroad should be quarantined BEFORE they are allowed to return and, if they manage to slime back in before that they need to be quarantined, here.

Why only people who work with Ebola patients abroad? We have people treating Ebola patients here in New York, Atlanta and Omaha and they aren’t being quarantined.

cam2 on October 30, 2014 at 6:58 PM

cam2 on October 30, 2014 at 6:10 PM

You avoided my question.

Would you let Nurse Kaci hold and tend your infant or toddler?

Dolce Far Niente on October 30, 2014 at 7:01 PM

Why only people who work with Ebola patients abroad? We have people treating Ebola patients here in New York, Atlanta and Omaha and they aren’t being quarantined.

cam2 on October 30, 2014 at 6:58 PM

And is your point that because these health care workers are not under quarantine, NO ONE should be?

Got the transmission of this disease all figured out, so you? You should tell the experts who actually are working with the virus- they’ll be glad to know.

Seriously, how bad do you think quarantine is? So bad that avoiding it is worth risking someone else’s life?

Dolce Far Niente on October 30, 2014 at 7:05 PM

Doctors Without Borders/Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) strongly disagrees with blanket forced quarantine for health care workers returning from Ebola affected countries. Such a measure is not based upon established medical science.

Do these organizations strongly disagree with the forced quarantine of our military?

corkie on October 30, 2014 at 7:06 PM

Oct 30, 2014 at 7:01 pm Dolce Far Niente

As long as she has tested negative, remains asymptomatic and isn’t bleeding, vomiting or leaking feces.

cam2 on October 30, 2014 at 7:07 PM

Hickox is a selfish, self-absorbed, hypocritical brat.

She also may be an ends-justify-the-means lefty zealot activist.

She’s begging for a crackdown. I hope she gets it.

petefrt on October 30, 2014 at 7:10 PM

Oct 30, 2014 at 7:05 pm Dolce Far Niente

And is your point that because these health care workers are not under quarantine, NO ONE should be?

No, my question is why the same people who are insisting on quarantining workers who have treated ebola patients there are not calling for the quarantine of workers who are treating Ebola patients here.

cam2 on October 30, 2014 at 7:14 PM

Doctors Without Borders/Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) strongly disagrees with blanket forced quarantine for health care workers returning from Ebola affected countries. Such a measure is not based upon established medical science.

Do these organizations strongly disagree with the forced quarantine of our military?

corkie on October 30, 2014 at 7:06 PM

The thing I find more curious is how “science” is yet again becoming a political mallet. The assertion that it’s inconsistent with medical science would directly imply that healthcare workers cannot contract the disease, even ignoring the fact that they are the most likely to contract, it is syllogistic fallacy.

Ebola on October 30, 2014 at 7:15 PM

I tend to agree. This whole thing is a giant administration setup. How else could a CDC employee get an op-ed into national papers within 24 hours of being detained at the airport?

Missy on October 30, 2014 at 4:29 PM

Bingo.

OccamsRazor on October 30, 2014 at 7:35 PM

This ‘settled science’ crap is tedious.

First, science by it’s very nature is never settled. At best, it’s state-of-the-art, but always inviting constructive challenge.

Second, when your pols are always lying to you, you have no reason to believe what they assert what ‘science’ is state-of-the-art, let alone ‘settled’.

The left’s ‘settled science’ is little more than another rhetorical gimmick, like ‘racist’ and ‘sexist’, designed to shut down honest debate.

petefrt on October 30, 2014 at 7:37 PM

Ms. Hickox,

You are a horse’s rear end.

Perhaps you should read the history of isolation and quarantine from the Black Death in the 14th century. Those who refused quarantine and were thought infectious were killed on the spot. In the English countryside, anyone who came within 100 yards ofa plague-free hosuehold were killed by archers after being warned to turn back. It worked very well.

Please read about a viral quarantine in American Samoa in 1919. It worked and saved 25,000 lives.

Remember, some father or mother may consider you infectious to their children…..

Oh, did I tell you, your a horse’s rear end.

ursa5000 on October 30, 2014 at 7:41 PM

Rhymes with “punt”.

Rusty Nail on October 30, 2014 at 7:54 PM

Missy on October 30, 2014 at 4:29 PM

Yup, smells like a setup. Obama regime goes ballistic over anything that threatens to undermine his open-borders and amnesty.

Smells like Ron Klain to me.

petefrt on October 30, 2014 at 8:04 PM

So she’s guaranteeing that if she does spike a fever, she won’t be in public, lol… Because she had to be 100% certain that she wasn’t gonna get a fever when biking, right? Because obviously everybody knows when they are gonna get a fever? This gal is just looking for a way to game the system to get 15 min of fame/fortune. What a selfish narcissist! Obviously she thinks she knows more than the scientists/doctors because she’s like a nurse, lol… So its her communities fault if they’re scared of her getting a fever while she breaks quarantine. Her attitude screams she’s a progressive liberal!!!

soapyjeans on October 30, 2014 at 8:07 PM

wren on October 30, 2014 at 6:09 PM

Daddy’s Little Girl still has him wrapped around her finger after all these years? Touching.

Christien on October 30, 2014 at 8:15 PM

Just say’n,

She looks and talks just like a half white daughter of Obama would.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on October 30, 2014 at 8:42 PM

Our military must be quarantined, but not a drama/entitlement queen nurse. Makes sense in the world of the narcissistic personality disordered.

rlwo2008 on October 30, 2014 at 8:58 PM

The boyfriend should’ve just kept riding his bike right up into Canada and into the sunset…poor bastard…oh and pres.obola was giving a speech in Maine 2day for the dem.candidate for Governor

falsecast on October 30, 2014 at 8:58 PM

She’s a heroine to selfish assholes everywhere.

Meremortal on October 30, 2014 at 9:56 PM

Our military must be quarantined, but not a drama/entitlement queen nurse. Makes sense in the world of the narcissistic personality disordered.

rlwo2008 on October 30, 2014 at 8:58 PM

Our military leaders have chosen to quarantine troops who are building clinics for Ebola patients. The leaders of the hospitals whose employees are treating actual Ebola patients have determined that quarantining workers who are not sick is unnecessary. Go figure.

cam2 on October 30, 2014 at 10:04 PM

Just an O/T aside (because there is no other place to park this link):

No matter how correct NJ’s guv was to impose a quarantine on the spoiled princess, Quin Hillyer says that Chris Christie’s behavior is typically loutish and hardly presidential. The bullying wears thin after a while.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/391520/chris-christie-lout-quin-hillyer

onlineanalyst on October 30, 2014 at 10:06 PM

s1im on October 30, 2014 at 3:41 PM

I was about to post about Typhoid Mary. Glad others are aware of her.

While I do hope Kaci is Ebola free she’s a total narcissist you cares nothing about the danger she’s placing others in. She’s much worse than Typhoid Mary who didn’t have the knowledge about disease transmission and being an asymptomatic carrier (even docs back then were just getting an understanding of it). No matter – it’s all about you Kaci…the world revolves around you.

batter on October 30, 2014 at 10:23 PM

I believe this was timed for the election

entagor on October 30, 2014 at 6:05 PM

TEH CONSPIRACEEZ!11!!

(X Files theme)

Good Lt on October 30, 2014 at 10:42 PM

Everyone pretty much agrees, this woman is an example of self-centered elitist narcissism.

The doctor how came back last month, WITH Ebola, lied to health people when confronted about his movements and only admitted it when confronted by the police pulling his records.

These people don’t go over there to help as much as they go over there to build their resume for Hampton spring parties with the Obama elites.

“See look what I did!” is the call. I read the doctor’s resume from some of his social media and it read like the lefty dream jobs! And he was all proud of it too!

Problem with these people is they love rules, but only if those rules apply only to the “lesser” people- y’know the ones who don’t volunteer to treat sick people in faraway countries.

However, they are playing with a real troublesome disease that if it ever mutates to an airborne strain will mimic “Captain Trip” of the Stand novel.

If they want to go because in their hearts they really want to help people, then it should be a small sacrifice to make sure they aren’t hurting us here at home. Think of it as having to train to play a hard sport.

She is an embarrassment, but another example of the “greed gene” and how you can’t trust people to do the right thing- especially those people.

archer52 on October 30, 2014 at 10:47 PM

Obviously she doesn’t care where she’s at if she should spike a fever. Maybe she’s allergic to the term “cautious”!

soapyjeans on October 30, 2014 at 10:51 PM

Probably raised by lefty dems who made sure their daughter did “good” things. Problem – she really never learned to think. If she had an ounce of goodness and a 2nd ounce of real intelligence, she’d stay in quarantine.

But she “feels good” b/c she went to West Africa. But was she paid? If so, how much? Was she near people who really were infected w/ the disease? Two outcomes:

1 – She’s completely free and ebola is not spread to anyone.

2 – She does have ebola, her boyfriend gets it, everyone they came near becomes a possible real victim of her arrogance and self-righteousness.
a – we then spend a ton of money getting her well
b – or she dies and becomes the cause of death of others – anyone reading this want that on their conscience?

Regardless, she is harming others – a selfish, narcissist who has no real caring for others – enjoying her 30 minutes of fame and attention.

For our sake I hope she’s not carrying the disease but it’s said to morph a lot – so who knows if the test is valid.

And if she develops symptoms, gets side, then what……

MN J on October 30, 2014 at 11:07 PM

Kaci Hickox, see you next Tuesday.

Sincerely,

Kenosha Kid on October 31, 2014 at 12:17 AM

We need more nurses like her.

Get your own thermometer.”

Do I look like I’m made of antibiotics?”

I’m your nurse, not your mother confessor, pal.”

Sure, sure, you’re in pain, as if I’ve never heard that before.”

Florence Nightmaregale.

profitsbeard on October 31, 2014 at 12:18 AM

Is Kaci Hickox related to Debbie Blabbermouth Schultz? Sure looks like her, even down to the mayonnaise hair treatment.

Picaro on October 31, 2014 at 12:48 AM

Picaro on October 31, 2014 at 12:48 AM

I agree. She doesn’t look well.

virgo on October 31, 2014 at 1:21 AM

Kaci Hickox search results from Doctors without Borders

Kaci Hickox search results from the CDC

So Doctors Without Borders says::

In general, MSF accepts only some 20 percent of the people who apply to work with us. For Ebola programs, the selection process is even more exacting. We only send out people who have had prior experience with viral hemorrhagic fevers and/or similar emergencies.

Prior to this year, it looks like all she did was write studies about traffic fatalities in Las Vegas and Tuberculosis in Botswana. How’d she meet the MSF standards with that?

BobM88 on October 31, 2014 at 2:18 AM

Ebolacycle!

Sherman1864 on October 31, 2014 at 5:25 AM

For Ebola programs, the selection process is even more exacting. We only send out people who have had prior experience with viral hemorrhagic fevers and/or similar emergencies.

 
Prior to this year, it looks like all she did was write studies about traffic fatalities in Las Vegas and Tuberculosis in Botswana. How’d she meet the MSF standards with that?
 
BobM88 on October 31, 2014 at 2:18 AM

 
Pen and a phone.

rogerb on October 31, 2014 at 6:15 AM

As an Applied Boolean Algebraist, her logic is faulty. And we ABA’s know logic.

But then, she apparently is driven by her emotions, not by facts and logic. That explains her narcissistic attitude and hubris.

Rather than put on her big girl panties, so to speak, and just do what is the proper thing to do, given the nature of ebola, she “feels fine” and acts as if she never left Maine.

Beotch.

On top of that, she reminds me of my ex-wife, so my opinions may be emotionally colored a bit.

ProfShadow on October 31, 2014 at 7:14 AM

The problem with Hickox’s behavior is not that she is putting the public at risk. Her actions are problematic because she is so flagrantly and contemptuously violating measures put in place by public officials in order to calm a nervous public.

God forbid someone doesn’t go along with the CDC’s security theater. We’re letting 150 people a day into this country from that area with no idea who they are and where they are going. This woman is obnoxious but the “health authorities” in question are nothing more than mid level bureaucrats. Would you let a DMV employee dictate anything to you beyond what amount to fill the check out for your registration renewal?

bannor on October 31, 2014 at 8:06 AM

Funny how she won’t take any precautionary measures to avoid the spread of a deadly disease but she’ll wear a bike helmet.

Pistonhead on October 31, 2014 at 8:49 AM

I’m surprised we haven’t heard anything from the Doctors Without Borders organization. Is the entire organization comprised of self-absorbed assholes like Hickox? In the absence of any comment, on what evidence are we supposed to believe otherwise? Perhaps the entire organization should be shut down or barred from travel to Ebola countries if they can’t keep their own people in line

jms on October 31, 2014 at 9:02 AM

Whether or not she has ebola, her comportment since she landed has assured the only place she will ever be welcomed is Berkeley, Chicago, and other libtard hotbeds. I believe she will be shunned everywhere else.

roy_batty on October 31, 2014 at 9:14 AM

Science does complicate political stance, for instance science tells us that up to 21 days after exposure ebola patients get sick. And yet there is a lot of time where someone might be quarantined and they don’t feel sick. And normal people might feel dread. I think that is how the original Liberian family felt, in quarantine, wondering if they would get sick and die. Ms. Nurse in Maine does not seem to exhibit this dread.

Nurse Hicox is in very rural Maine, and I think they rules for her do not have to be what they are in NYC. Or New Jersey. She and the state troopers should have been able to go for a bike ride. She shouldn’t be able to go to the Market or the Mall.

No one was prepared for this, it hasn’t been well thought out. She should have had a CDC escort from West AFrica to her home in Maine, she should not have been in a NJ airport at all. Gov. Christie was imposed upon by the CDC lack of a plan.

There are so many creative solutions as to what to do with health care workers, how to spend 21 days, but the CDC never thought about it, they are incompetent.

Fleuries on October 31, 2014 at 1:37 PM