How the IRS is seizing bank accounts with no criminal action charged

posted at 5:01 pm on October 26, 2014 by Jazz Shaw

This one came as enough of a surprise to me that it seemed worth sharing. I’ve long been aware that there are limits on cash transactions taking place at banks beyond which the deal has to be reported to the IRS. You run into the same thing at casinos, though I have never won anywhere near enough money to need to worry about reporting it. This is an annoying, but I will agree, necessary function which used to allow law enforcement to track down drug dealers and organized crime entities who were dealing in large, untraceable cash deals. But as this rather startling report from the New York Times shows, the IRS has moved this law enforcement tool into brave new worlds.

For almost 40 years, Carole Hinders has dished out Mexican specialties at her modest cash-only restaurant. For just as long, she deposited the earnings at a small bank branch a block away — until last year, when two tax agents knocked on her door and informed her that they had seized her checking account, almost $33,000.

The Internal Revenue Service agents did not accuse Ms. Hinders of money laundering or cheating on her taxes — in fact, she has not been charged with any crime. Instead, the money was seized solely because she had deposited less than $10,000 at a time, which they viewed as an attempt to avoid triggering a required government report.

According to their records, Ms. Hinders has still yet to be charged with any crime, but has gone into debt while attempting to get the money returned. And she’s not the only one they turned up. The IRS used this tactic 639 in 2012 alone, with only 20% of those cases ever being prosecuted.

Another interesting item of note show up here. When such funds are seized, law enforcement agencies get to keep a share of whatever is forfeited. If that doesn’t set off some red flags for you, nothing will.

In case you might still think that this is well intentioned, business as usual at the Internal Revenue Service, this part of the story is the real kicker.

On Thursday, in response to questions from The New York Times, the I.R.S. announced that it would curtail the practice, focusing instead on cases where the money is believed to have been acquired illegally or seizure is deemed justified by “exceptional circumstances.”

If the people in charge at the IRS honestly thought that this practice was ethical and in the interest of justice, why would they immediately announce that it was being curtailed as soon as the details were dragged out into the sunlight? And if they will now focus only on money that they think is acquired illegally, what sort of money were they focusing on before? Part of the problem may be that the law needs a fresh look in terms of what they are making the banks do. They are required to not only report transactions over the ten grand limit, but any suspicious patterns of transactions below the $10K threshold. The banks, not wanting to run afoul of the law and risk exposure themselves, wind up reporting all sorts of things. More than 700,000 such suspicious reports were filed last year alone.

Seizing all of the money from citizen’s checking or savings accounts and then holding it until they can hire a lawyer and prove they aren’t drug dealers? Pretty sweet work if you can get it.


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Our Courts taught them how to steal.

viking01 on October 26, 2014 at 7:59 PM

It costs more to keep them in jail.

And drug dealers making large cash deposits into their bank accounts aren’t deadbeats.

FloatingRock on October 26, 2014 at 7:54 PM

Not really. The cost for jails is pretty small part of the budget. I can pay that part of the budget with no problem at all. Far less problem than paying for Social Security, medicare, Medicaid, Housing, food stamps, and the rest of the welfare state which accounts for $2 trillion dollars a year. That is probably close to two orders of magnitude more than we spend on drug offenders in jails. Money well spent in my opinion.
But I would be willing to scrap all that spending, the 2 trillion on welfare along with the incarceration for personal use of drugs if they came together. But I will not do it separately.I am not an easy mark like the Republicans.

astonerii on October 26, 2014 at 8:04 PM

As a Christian believer I don’t believe in dead people commuting with those of us who are on the face-of-the-earth, nor do I condone seances.
Otherwise, the temptation to pray that James Traficant would come back, and HAUNT these agents until they surrender, would be very great.

listens2glenn on October 26, 2014 at 8:12 PM

Asset forfeiture originally developed from the “tough on crime” pushes in the late 80s and took off in the 90s. This is actually an area the GOP should go after. The government should have to prove you are guilty beyond a reasonable doubt before robbing people of their private property.

MoreLiberty on October 26, 2014 at 8:17 PM

We all know what it’s going to take to stop this, don’t we?

Midas on October 26, 2014 at 8:18 PM

I have learned to deeply despise our government and a great deal of our federal and state governmental employees

Closet Optimist on October 26, 2014 at 8:26 PM

We all know what it’s going to take to stop this, don’t we?

Midas on October 26, 2014 at 8:18 PM

At minimum USIP ’16, or similar. That’s assuming that we still have a legitimate electoral system in America, which according to this story doesn’t seem to be the case: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2014/10/24/could-non-citizens-decide-the-november-election/

FloatingRock on October 26, 2014 at 8:31 PM

The solution to this is to expand the right to representation to ALL ACTS OF GOVERNMENT. Meaning that we have an absolute right to representation, whether we can afford it or not, when the government is the adversary.
ConstantineXI on October 26, 2014 at 6:09 PM

+1000. The fact that an action is “only” a civil action is laughable. They still have resources way beyond any individual and the sanctions and penalties they can impose, even through settlement, can destroy a life just as much as jail time. FHK here.

#BuckFarack

Nutstuyu on October 26, 2014 at 8:40 PM

I don’t think people get this. There is NO real fight, as they are suing the money with NO crime alleged, not the owners of the money. The only reason they backed down in my friends case is he refused to settle for any more than 10 grand and so they moved along to court. They knew he didn’t fit their usual “criminal” profile and there was better than 50% chance THEY might loose. Most people are so broke (b/c Gov has just taken all their money) and scared they just walk away form the money altogether even though they know they’ve done anything wrong or knowingly did so. DOJ is not used to people fighting back.
Topsecretk9 on October 26, 2014 at 6:42 PM

The SEC does this too.

Nutstuyu on October 26, 2014 at 8:51 PM

People are waking up, which is why the US government no longer has the consent of the governed, (which as far as I’m concerned makes the federal government illegitimate.) Unfortunately there are still a lot of partisans who are convinced that it’s only one or the other party that is the root of all evil and that if everybody would just vote for their corrupt party over the other then all would be well, but their numbers are dwindling along with their ability to pull the wool over everyone’s eyes.

FloatingRock on October 26, 2014 at 7:58 PM

Out government is completely illegitimate at this point.

It no longer has any moral or legal authority to govern.

ConstantineXI on October 26, 2014 at 8:52 PM

+1000. The fact that an action is “only” a civil action is laughable. They still have resources way beyond any individual and the sanctions and penalties they can impose, even through settlement, can destroy a life just as much as jail time. FHK here.

#BuckFarack

Nutstuyu on October 26, 2014 at 8:40 PM

This is how the EPA functions today. Are you really sure you want this?

This is how it works. A fascist green organization sues the EPA in order to force it to stop the development of a project, the government pays the bills, and pays the fines. The Fascist green organization uses the money to buy more government influence and find more places to place lawsuits.

All that money comes out of tax payers pockets. None of it comes from the Government. The government creates no wealth, it can only redistribute wealth or dilute wealth by over production of currency which vies for wealth.

It is kind of like the public union and government relationship. It is incestuous and mutually beneficial to both and completely stacked against the tax payer.

astonerii on October 26, 2014 at 8:58 PM

astonerii on October 26, 2014 at 8:58 PM

Part of being a conservative is understanding what works and what does not work. Understanding how things work and how they do not work. How real life happens and how the best laid plans will fail.

ConstantineXI has many good ideas, but on the idea of forcing the government to pay both sides of a legal battle is fraught with fraud potential and it will be abused and benefit ONLY our enemies in the end. My above example is simply with a loser pays situation. Imagine how much worse and how much more besieged by the Marxists Freedom Haters our government would be under if they could simply make a living without even having to win the court cases. Remember, their morals are not good morals.

astonerii on October 26, 2014 at 9:04 PM

This is an annoying, but I will agree, necessary function which used to allow law enforcement to track down drug dealers and organized crime entities who were dealing in large, untraceable cash deals.

Seriously? These “authorities” are the biggest drug dealers, gun runners and thieves in the country. Perhaps the world.

Dr. ZhivBlago on October 26, 2014 at 9:05 PM

“When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”

justltl on October 26, 2014 at 9:22 PM

We all know what it’s going to take to stop this, don’t we?

Midas on October 26, 2014 at 8:18 PM

Yes, we do.

justltl on October 26, 2014 at 9:23 PM

How about we just get rid of ALL three letter agencies.

Exninja on October 26, 2014 at 9:55 PM

<blockquoteThe fact that you are trying to conflate the two likely means you are trying to defend the indefensible or you are lying about the facts of your case and embellishing it to defend the indefensible. I just love how government goons have to defend government goons.

I’m not “conflating” anything, I’m seeing your anecdote and calling with one of my own. That was the statute we used, that was the crime the guy committed, same one the Mexican restaurant lady did and the Army sergeant. Look, the statute’s on the books. Congress put it there. IRS is charged with enforcing it. You don’t like it? Fine, go to your Congressperson and tell him or her you want it repealed. It’s Title 31 USC 5324. Until then, we’re not supposed to ignore laws that have been duly passed by Congress and signed by the President. Or have I got that wrong? Picking and choosing which laws to enforce? Isn’t that what Holder and Obama are being (rightly) ripped for at the moment? For what it’s worth, I’m a staunch advocate for asset forfeiture reform, and a big opponent of the abuse of civil forfeiture, especially the so-called “highway robbery” cases. But the solution is supposed to be changing the law in a government of laws.

mongoose on October 26, 2014 at 10:13 PM

This is an annoying, but I will agree, necessary function which used to allow law enforcement to track down drug dealers and organized crime entities who were dealing in large, untraceable cash deals.

Seriously? These “authorities” are the biggest drug dealers, gun runners and thieves in the country. Perhaps the world.

Dr. ZhivBlago on October 26, 2014 at 9:05 PM

Heh, they’re just eliminating the “unauthorized” competition.

2ndMAW68 on October 26, 2014 at 10:14 PM

Don’t most of us make deposits in less that $10K increments from time to time? I would guess they are setting up for confiscating everyones savings…

rgranger on October 26, 2014 at 10:20 PM

@. Mongoosr.

Due process. The government should have to prove – in a court of law – that some individual committed a crime. Anything else is tyranny.

MoreLiberty on October 26, 2014 at 10:24 PM

Out government is completely illegitimate at this point.

It no longer has any moral or legal authority to govern.

ConstantineXI on October 26, 2014 at 8:52 PM

All authority stems from the willingness and ability of the perceived authority to exert power and violence using force upon the people governed. When that authority is used in a benevolent manner for the protection and betterment of the governed and that authority fears the governed then you can have a democracy. When said authority is used only to further itself and the small group of individuals in power and the authority doesn’t fear the governed then you have a dictatorship in fact if not in name. Our government, at this point, does not fear it’s citizens, pretty much everyone fears the government in one way or another. A simple letter from the IRS sends a chill down most people’s spine. Our government may not have a moral or legal right to exercise it’s authority but it certainly has the willingness and the ability to do so.

Oldnuke on October 26, 2014 at 10:25 PM

@ Mongoose. It’s called nullification. Just because something is a law doesn’t make it right.

MoreLiberty on October 26, 2014 at 10:27 PM

Don’t ask the GOP to get up off their asses. Get up off of yours!

Oldnuke on October 26, 2014 at 6:37 PM

I’ve gotten off my ass many a time for many years. What have you done?

J.B. Say on October 26, 2014 at 10:29 PM

@ Mongoose. It’s called nullification. Just because something is a law doesn’t make it right.

MoreLiberty on October 26, 2014 at 10:27 PM

A lot of history, ours and other countries, can be offered as examples of just how true your statement is.

Oldnuke on October 26, 2014 at 10:29 PM

Nullification is John C. Calhoun’s dangerous fantasy that state’s constitutionally can ignore federal law. Go reread the Kentucky Resolution. Jefferson says that the last resort to resist tyranny is revolution, not this [email protected] nullification.

J.B. Say on October 26, 2014 at 10:31 PM

Don’t ask the GOP to get up off their asses. Get up off of yours!

Oldnuke on October 26, 2014 at 6:37 PM

I’ve gotten off my ass many a time for many years. What have you done?

J.B. Say on October 26, 2014 at 10:29 PM

I could have worded my response to your post a little different. I didn’t mean it as a personal attack. My point was that we,collectively should get off our asses. Sorry for the confusion, my fault. My point was that it’s past time to be asking for anything, we should be demanding it.

Oldnuke on October 26, 2014 at 10:39 PM

Jefferson says that the last resort to resist tyranny is revolution, not this [email protected] nullification.

J.B. Say on October 26, 2014 at 10:31 PM

Jefferson could pull that with the British because the British were essentially freedom loving people. Much of the ire of the Colonials was due to their having been denied representation in Parliament (something Parliament agreed to before they knew the Revolution was on, but the Colonials did not know it had finally been agreed upon).

Thus the cry, “No taxation without representation!”

The British did not see themselves as tyrants because they were not. They were just having trouble figuring out they were behaving tyrannically toward the Colonials.

That is a rare situation. Most of the time the tyrant loves being a tyrant, even when he is lying about it.

Our government loves being tyrannical toward us. They have no shame about it at all. Whatever they can get away with. You need look no further than their shameless behavior and rationalizations regarding asset forfeiture.

Nothing could be more clearly tyrannical. Sure, it could be more viciously tyrannical, but nothing could be more clearly tyrannical than property seizure by government without due process.

This abomination shouldn’t have lasted 10 minutes. It should have been strangled in its crib.

fadetogray on October 26, 2014 at 10:50 PM

Our government may not have a moral or legal right to exercise it’s authority but it certainly has the willingness and the ability to do so.

Oldnuke on October 26, 2014 at 10:25 PM

When all power flows from the barrel of a gun, a People who themselves possess hundreds of millions of guns can take it back.

ConstantineXI on October 26, 2014 at 11:04 PM

ConstantineXI has many good ideas, but on the idea of forcing the government to pay both sides of a legal battle is fraught with fraud potential and it will be abused and benefit ONLY our enemies in the end. My above example is simply with a loser pays situation. Imagine how much worse and how much more besieged by the Marxists Freedom Haters our government would be under if they could simply make a living without even having to win the court cases. Remember, their morals are not good morals.

astonerii on October 26, 2014 at 9:04 PM

If we strip the government of the illegal powers it has assumed BEYOND the Enumerated ones we won’t NEED taxpayer funds to defend ourselves in court against it BECAUSE IT WILL BE UNABLE TO COMMIT SUCH CRIMES!

ConstantineXI on October 26, 2014 at 11:06 PM

Out government is completely illegitimate at this point.

It no longer has any moral or legal authority to govern.

ConstantineXI on October 26, 2014 at 8:52 PM

THIS^^^!

Add to this the completely unjustified purchase of tanks and armored vehicles to turn on the citizens…and the purchase of enough ammunition to kill every citizen, and its clear our “government” is no longer a legitimate servant, but an occupying adversary.

landlines on October 26, 2014 at 11:09 PM

Add to this the completely unjustified purchase of tanks and armored vehicles to turn on the citizens…and the purchase of enough ammunition to kill every citizen, and its clear our “government” is no longer a legitimate servant, but an occupying adversary.

landlines on October 26, 2014 at 11:09 PM

The real soldiers will be on our side. The Goon Squads are cloth badge soldier wannabe cops.

When they meet organized resistance odds are they will drop their AR15’s, strip off their body armor, abandon their tanks AND RUN.

Just like the ill trained, ill disciplined Iraq military did.

ConstantineXI on October 26, 2014 at 11:14 PM

The IRS never gets a court order. They don’t have to. They serve the bank with -not a Levy, which is a court order, but with a “Notice of Levy” which is an administrative process allowed only in the case of government employees who owe unpaid taxes and whose money is already in the hands of government.

The banks are brought to heel by the fact that they are all required to have FDIC insurance (and to suffer commensurate regulation). Banks used to warn you that they would turn a depositor’s funds over in response to a “Legal Process,” such as a Writ of Garnishment. Now all banks depositor’s agreements promise to turn over funds in response to an “Administrative process.”

But none of this would ever be possible if a determined minority of Americans rejected the morality of sacrifice and envy, which means, most Americans don’t want inalienable individual rights and inviolate private property. They want government to steal from the producers and use the “proceeds” to play Santa Claus.

WyattsTorch on October 26, 2014 at 11:21 PM

I’m not going to live long enough to see them openly come for people posting their opinions on blogs like this but, in my opinion, a lot of you reading this will. Make up your mind now about how you will handle that. It’s coming.

Oldnuke on October 26, 2014 at 6:34 PM

I think they’re called moments of clarity Oldnuke.

WryTrvllr on October 26, 2014 at 11:49 PM

I’m not “conflating” anything, I’m seeing your anecdote and calling with one of my own. That was the statute we used, that was the crime the guy committed, same one the Mexican restaurant lady did and the Army sergeant. Look, the statute’s on the books.

I’m confused. Are you justifying because you have a statute, or are you saying the “mexican restaurant lady” did something wrong. I have 100 in my pocket. Am I 1/350th a felon?

WryTrvllr on October 27, 2014 at 12:04 AM

Absolutely disgusting. Is is not the AMERICA our grandparents fought and died for anymore.

KMC1 on October 27, 2014 at 12:23 AM

When all power flows from the barrel of a gun, a People who themselves possess hundreds of millions of guns can take it back.

ConstantineXI on October 26, 2014 at 11:04 PM

But how about a very confused, misinformed people who know Washington DC is corrupt and broken but don’t understand how or why nor how to fix it?

That’s where leaders come in, and if we had a leader to expose all of Washington DC’s dirty tricks to people so they’d know what’s up and how to fix it, then USIP is ready to go.

FloatingRock on October 27, 2014 at 12:26 AM

Jefferson could pull that with the British because the British were essentially freedom loving people

fadetogray on October 26, 2014 at 10:50 PM

No, he was saying that to the Adams administration in response to the Alien and Sedition Acts, 1799-1800. I am sure he would approve an Article V convention to address these issues, as would Mason and Madison.

J.B. Say on October 27, 2014 at 12:29 AM

My point was that it’s past time to be asking for anything, we should be demanding it.

Oldnuke on October 26, 2014 at 10:39 PM

Absolutely. I will not vote mainline GOP who do nothing but allow this to fester. I always support with money and voice constitutional alternatives.

J.B. Say on October 27, 2014 at 12:33 AM

Seems legit…

Paperclips on October 27, 2014 at 12:53 AM

This has been happening on the nation’s highways for years. Cops take millions from innocent drivers —> https://autos.yahoo.com/news/how-cops-take-millions-from-motorists-not-charged-with-crimes-215603712.html

Dollayo on October 27, 2014 at 12:57 AM

Nullification? That’s your strategy? Dude, that’s like one step below “let’s bitch about it impotently over a beer.” Except I respect the guy with the beer because he didn’t violate his oath, but whatever. In a nation of laws, you change the freaking law. What’s so hard about that concept? If a law’s unpopular enough, you (the people) get the bloody thing changed. It happened with Prohibition, and that took a Constitutional amendment. You feel strongly enough about this, start working with F.E.A.R. and get some skin in the game. CAFRA passed, I can easily see something similar passing to restrict the highway robbery/money possession forfeiture cases. In fact, I’d say it’s even money whether a reform law passes first or an appeals court severely restricts the practice first.
Nullification, jeez.

mongoose on October 27, 2014 at 2:30 AM

Even mika and joe are stunned

cmsinaz on October 27, 2014 at 6:23 AM

All laws and regulations are but weapons to the left–not for creating order–but for gaining power to control the masses. Item one: Obamacare.

Don L on October 27, 2014 at 6:34 AM

If you find the law an abomination, work with your Representative and Senators to get it repealed or amended. Work with others who agree with you to pressure their Representatives and Senators to do the same.

If you find your Senators and Representatives are unwilling to change or amend the law, work to get new representation.

If the parties are not allowing candidates to be fielded who will not amend or change the law, then it is time to withhold support for the organizational party beyond what you and your like-minded fellows can get to agree with them. Attend in force at local meetings and get the local party to back your cause. If you are unable to do this then see if the precinct of the OTHER PARTY is well stocked locally, or if a sudden infusion of individuals can change IT and then do that: you are not married to a PARTY but to a CAUSE that is your own and can be defined BY YOU.

Spread the word, find as many like-minded people who can stomach either party to start the process of changing BOTH OF THEM at the lowest levels. To get a State party level pressured into agreement is vital, and once that starts you keep on pushing. If the larger party, at the National level, is dead set against such changes as you desire, then work with other States to re-write the by-laws of the Party and denude the highest level of cash and power, turn them into mere figureheads with short, set terms and frequent turn-over with term-limits so that fresh blood is always coming in at the top. Devolve the Party power downwards, which empowers local citizenry to take part in the process.

Reach out to your local citizens, show them just how awful this government is and explain its reach to them throughout the entire process.

Those you elect who agree with you can start pushing the issue by using each and every means they have to stop up the gears of government and bring it to a grinding halt until the issues are actually addressed. These Representatives and Senators will be hated, vilified, and at every turn confronted with how much they ‘hate the government’, to which they can reply that they understand the function of government and what is going on is NOT THAT FUNCTION. Then add that each and every bill will be read out in full, each floor vote for ANYTHING fully enumerated and recorded, that every procedure will be followed and that there will be NO VOICE VOTES FOR ANYTHING in their body in Congress UNTIL THEIR CONCERNS ARE ADDRESSED.

I have a name for such Representatives and Senators: PITA.

You want to bring this government to heel? I PITA the fools who are in government who think they are beyond the reach of the common man.

You want to change this government to be more accountable? You don’t need much, just a couple of PITA’s to stop up the Chambers, gum up the works, and sit with their heels up and just objecting to every procedure that used to be done in seconds that will now drag out into hours. They need not vote on ANYTHING, will withhold their approval for ANY BILL that DOES NOT ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS.

Want change? There is too much oil given to government to grease the palms of cronies. You need squeaky wheels in Congress that seize up that flow and point out that this is the TAXPAYER’S money that is going to the cronies and that thrifty, good government need not STEAL from citizens who simply favor a cash-only life and WHO PAY THEIR TAXES TOO.

Conservatives are convinced about working within the system.

So am I.

You cannot elect greased wheels and expect change.

I favor the squeaky type, ready to seize up the grease collection and distribution system and point out its evils. It would be one of the simplest jobs to just kick up one’s heels, call for full votes, full reading of texts on every bill and then withhold the LOCAL CONSENT by not voting on anything that does not address the concerns being voiced.

I would vote for a PITA candidate who means it and has already worked out just how to do this, including bathroom breaks. They must campaign on it… and you know, I don’t really care what the ’cause’ is, because a seized up government raids no bank accounts and furloughs its workers save for the few necessary to actually DO THE JOB OF THE GOVERNMENT. There isn’t much of that, really. You can’t point that out to the People until the government’s unnecessary organs and powers get seized up and stop working. And I’m not talking about doing this for ‘big bills’ or stuff like Obamacare. Maybe a nuanced candidate who actually reads the Constitution can be found to say they will vote for any part of the government specifically cited in that document and nothing else… but, heck, a PITA position really is much cleaner.

I want my Representative and Senators to do something, all right, which is as little is as possible and make sure that the ENTIRE GOVERNMENT FOLLOWS SUIT.

Got a squeaky wheel candidate? A PITA candidate? I’ll send them a few bucks. They deserve to be elected, because our government deserves them.

Guns’n’ammo are not a last resort nor the first. But they are still on the table for use if the squeaky wheels can’t grind like the Mill of the Gods: slow but fine. Remember, unlike the Left taking to the street is not the first resort, nor the second, but it isn’t the last as you get to slavery before them and lose the guns’n’ammo. Like in my own foreign policy, it hits right around #3. Grease doesn’t work.

Squeaky wheels are next.

I mean, what do you think Ben Franklin was during his years in London? A squeaky wheel. The rattle of the snake. Don’t go there as you won’t like the results. A promise, not a warning.

Change first. And that means if the glib and smooth can’t do the job, then it is time for the squeaky wheels.

If you dare.

ajacksonian on October 27, 2014 at 6:51 AM

I remember when I was a teenager…there was a story in the news about a man and his wife who barricaded themselves in their house. The man was angry with the IRS. A local news crew interviewed the man and he went on and on about the Gov’t and their fascist tactics, etc. The Gov’t eventually stormed the house and arrested the man. The news did their best effort to paint the man as some crazy nut-job. I recall thinking the same thing.

Fast forward to today. Well, the man was right! He was ahead of the curve and we are just now coming to realize that.

BierManVA on October 27, 2014 at 7:27 AM

With the IRS, it’s guilty, even if proven innocent.

sadatoni on October 27, 2014 at 7:47 AM

This is an annoying, but I will agree, necessary function which used to allow law enforcement to track down drug dealers and organized crime entities who were dealing in large, untraceable cash deals.

This is where the argument went off the rails right from the start.

The federal government has no business what-so-ever monitoring what I do with my money, even if I happen to have a large amount of it that I deposit, withdraw, spend, or move from one account to another. None. Even if it makes it “easier” for them to fight drug dealers and other organized crime, it is still an unconstitutional intrusion into my private business.

Shump on October 27, 2014 at 8:02 AM

Seizing all of the money from citizen’s checking or savings accounts and then holding it until they can hire a lawyer and prove they aren’t drug dealers? Pretty sweet work if you can get it egregious violation of the 5th (and 4th) Amendment.

FIFY, Jazz.

GWB on October 27, 2014 at 8:42 AM

‘It’s the governments job’. Seizing money is what they do best.

Kissmygrits on October 27, 2014 at 8:44 AM

Congress has to end this illegal action when they return.

Amazingoly on October 27, 2014 at 9:32 AM

The IRS is fast becoming the Gestapo of the Øbamanation.

DimsdalePiranha on October 27, 2014 at 9:58 AM

As if there were any doubt that the overlords think of the rest of us as nothing more than a revenue stream (read – serfs), and will be exploited as required by the elites (read – politicos).

Our rights under the Consistution are steady being hacked away, denied, or just violated at the wims of the courts, legislatures, and the executive.

I believe the day is coming where a ditch should be dug and the elites count off in threes and the odd numbers are shot along with the rest of the criminals. Then count off in threes again.

Kuffar on October 27, 2014 at 10:39 AM

We all know what it’s going to take to stop this, don’t we?

Midas on October 26, 2014 at 8:18 PM

Yes, Invoke rule .308…

Kuffar on October 27, 2014 at 10:41 AM

This is why rope and knot tying was invented.

SirGawain on October 27, 2014 at 11:38 AM

Welcome to the new ‘Fundamentally Changed’ 3rd-World Nation created by Obama! Hope all those f*ing Tax-Payer-Funded government handouts were worth it!

easyt65 on October 27, 2014 at 11:42 AM

As a Christian believer I don’t believe in dead people commuting with those of us who are on the face-of-the-earth, nor do I condone seances.

Otherwise, the temptation to pray that James Traficant would come back, and HAUNT these agents until they surrender, would be very great.

listens2glenn on October 26, 2014 at 8:12 PM

You’re the only person on Earth who could have written this comment.

Axe on October 27, 2014 at 12:21 PM

As long as the thieves get away with it and no one goes to jail at the IRS, they will continue thieving…

JIMV on October 27, 2014 at 12:51 PM

Or lined up and shot.

It’s clear they have no fear of the People or they wouldn’t act like this. The Second Amendment’s PURPOSE is not to guarantee our right to hunt, or defend ourselves from criminals, but to give us the MEANS to put down a tyrannical government. Can anyone argue that we are not already WELL PAST THAT LINE?

I do not advocate violence. But we sure seem to be headed there.

ConstantineXI on October 26, 2014 at 6:06 PM

Molon Labe and Unintended Consequences both have some good tips.

fossten on October 27, 2014 at 1:12 PM

The IRS is fast becoming the Gestapo of the Øbamanation.

DimsdalePiranha on October 27, 2014 at 9:58 AM

There’s an old joke from the Cold War days that asks what’s the English translation for KGB…

…the answer is IRS.

There’s a reason the Constitution defines and is supposed to protect Due Process.

One of the challenges here is also related to the broken mindset within the government that believes that the people exist to serve and support the government as opposed to being the other way around.

Also within government, there is the mindset that this isn’t just justice, but a source of revenues to fund further expansions of government power and reach. When the entities can keep / profit from the seizures, they are more apt to increase the number of seizures – targeting those who they believe are less capable of mounting a vigorous and successful defense.

Athos on October 27, 2014 at 1:29 PM

All your cash are belong to us.

s1im on October 27, 2014 at 2:03 PM

Congress has to end this illegal action when they return.

Amazingoly on October 27, 2014 at 9:32 AM

Only if we return conservative Republicans to Congress (House & Senate). If we return Democrat Progressives in November, they’ll continue to block any action that restrains Government power.

ReggieA on October 27, 2014 at 4:43 PM

Have IRS ‘agents’ started wearing jackboots yet? Will they soon start goose stepping around the office and clicking their heels together after receiving their marching orders? Inquiring minds want to know.

farsighted on October 27, 2014 at 7:10 PM

ajacksonian on October 27, 2014 at 6:51 AM

You are describing how the system should be. I think you are being naïve about how the system is.

Right now we pay trillions in taxes. Billions of it go to government employees at all levels. Still billions of that go to their unions, who then spend millions in every state. It begins in mid-October, vile, lying ads that don’t have time for a response and even then, take amazing word craft to completely defeat the lies. The damage is done, like a lawyer saying something outrageous in a trial that the judge orders struck and the jury to ignore, but the seed is planted.

In my Congressional district the Commie Democrat violated campaign laws by putting up billboards with no attribution to his campaign, that were complete falsehoods. The state university ripped the GOP candidates kids’ careers apart (or attempted to), taking them from being award winning students to making them start over simply because their dad had the nerve to run against the Commie.

That is why such a huge percentage of the GOP we do have in the House and Senate are Democrat-lite. They have paid to play, sacrificing, or never having, conservative principles to have the money and power, now and after leaving office, of being in Congress.

The vast majority of voters make their choices by absorbing only tangentially the ads, what their friends say, etc. They have no idea what’s going on. They are watching American Idol and The Voice and could care less about the theft occurring around them. They won’t wake up until that “nice, but misguided conservative coworker” mysteriously disappears and they discover it’s to a camp or to join a militia.

PastorJon on October 28, 2014 at 10:29 AM

I don’t even think the USSR would pull this under handed crap. They might nationalize your business but pure theft like this is more Fascism.

DFCtomm on October 28, 2014 at 12:23 PM

Change first. And that means if the glib and smooth can’t do the job, then it is time for the squeaky wheels.

If you dare.

ajacksonian on October 27, 2014 at 6:51 AM

We’re just about at the point where working within the system is a waste of time.

oryguncon on October 28, 2014 at 11:33 PM