Stemwinder: Rand Paul rips Obama’s Syria plan, McCain, Kerry, Hillary, interventionists, anti-war hypocrites, you name it

posted at 6:41 pm on September 18, 2014 by Allahpundit

Knowing you guys as I do, it’s the attack on Maverick that you really want to see. Skip to 41:00 or so. He doesn’t mention him by name, of course, but I think we’re all on the same page when we hear the term “moss-covered.” Damn:

In a possible dig at John McCain, he alluded to a falsehood he’s brought up before: that the Arizona senator was cozy with future ISIS members.

“Intervention created this chaos,” he said. “To those who wish unlimited intervention and boots on the ground everywhere, remember the smiling poses of politicians pontificating about so-called freedom fighters and heroes in Libya, in Syria and in Iraq. Unaware that the so-called freedom fighters may well have been allied with kidnappers and are killers and jihadists.”

Most of the 41 minutes that precede that are spent on a largely accurate critique of O’s goofy, possibly disingenuous plan to arm the Syrian rebels, although he veers off course a few times to take shots at Democratic nominees future and past (“I would like President Obama to re-read the speeches of candidate Obama,” he says of O’s usurpation of Congress’s war powers). I give him credit for largely sticking to his guns here: At a moment when his party’s trending pro-interventionist, this is a vehemently anti-interventionist speech, particularly towards the end. Iraq, Libya, Syria: Getting involved in other people’s fights almost always makes our problems worse, he intones — before, er, endorsing intervention against ISIS in Iraq. Ah well. I’m viewing this speech mostly as a consolation prize for the libertarian commentariat, which understands that he’s probably going to have to lurch a bit further towards the hawks to stay competitive next year. He may regretfully sell them out on foreign policy to win votes, but he can at least give their criticisms of hawks a showcase on the Senate floor.

As I write this, I’m hearing that McCain and his sidekick Lindsey are on the Senate floor delivering some sort of rebuttal. Stay tuned.


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LMAO “That has been prophesied as well”. Koo-koo, koo-koo!

ebrawer on September 18, 2014 at 8:39 PM

I prophesy your personal information appearing on the Tor network.

LawfulGood on September 18, 2014 at 8:40 PM

Militant Islam is not at war with Iraq and Syria, it is engaging in combat in Iraq and Syria against America and the West.

oscarwilde on September 18, 2014 at 8:38 PM

Is ISIS militant Islam? Is ISIS at war with the recognized government of Syria?

If the answer to both of those questions is “Yes”, then your statement that “Militant Islam is not at war with Iraq and Syria” is nonsense…

JohnGalt23 on September 18, 2014 at 9:10 PM

Not only did Rand refer to the mindless warmonger arming the Syrian rebels as moss-covered, he called them barnacle-covered.

This was a good speech. The only fault that I had was that he should have hit harder on our precipitous leaving of Iraq with no supportive troops to prevent the infiltration of ISIS, once we had committed to that engagement.

McCain cannot see past his nose in his support of arming Syrian “rebels.” Is he planning on ousting Assad? To be replaced by what? Another power vacuum? Has he considered Russia and Iran’s role once we intrude? McCain is an ass.

onlineanalyst on September 18, 2014 at 9:11 PM

You’ve successfully outstupided bim-bam by an order of magnitude at least, unveiled a strawman bigger than Obama’s ego, and spit on God…all at the same time.

LawfulGood on September 18, 2014 at 8:34 PM

Unless you really believe God wants to nuke Syria, then I hardly spit on Him.

As far as a strawman, this is someone who has called for the preemptive nuking of Syria and Iraq, states that we are not at war with, based on the theory that:

They have already slaughtered and ‘cleansed’ all of their Christians over there. All that’s left are Muslims, and there is no such thing as an innocent Muslim.

Now, where I come from, that’s considered a mighty unChristian attitude, not to mention psychotic. To do so while also talking about End Times? I doubt Augustine or Aquinas would have been so kind to him…

JohnGalt23 on September 18, 2014 at 9:19 PM

oscarwilde on September 18, 2014 at 8:38 PM

Is ISIS militant Islam? Is ISIS at war with the recognized government of Syria?

If the answer to both of those questions is “Yes”, then your statement that “Militant Islam is not at war with Iraq and Syria” is nonsense…

JohnGalt23 on September 18, 2014 at 9:10 PM

It’s only nonsense if you have zero comprehension of the facts. The Governments of both Syria and Iraq are equated by the majorities of both countries as nothing more than Western puppets.

oscarwilde on September 18, 2014 at 9:20 PM

It’s only nonsense if you have zero comprehension of the facts. The Governments of both Syria and Iraq are equated by the majorities of both countries as nothing more than Western puppets.

oscarwilde on September 18, 2014 at 9:20 PM

Apparently someone wants to dodge the questions.

Is ISIS militant Islam? Is ISIS at war with the recognized government of Syria?

If so, militant Islam is at war with Syria. which, if you haven’t figured it out yet (which I’m perfectly willing to believe you haven’t), puts us on the same side as Syria.

Which would make nuking them not only incredibly stupid, but also preemptive..

JohnGalt23 on September 18, 2014 at 9:27 PM

You’ve successfully outstupided bim-bam by an order of magnitude at least, unveiled a strawman bigger than Obama’s ego, and spit on God…all at the same time.

LawfulGood on September 18, 2014 at 8:34 PM

Unless you really believe God wants to nuke Syria, then I hardly spit on Him.

As far as a strawman, this is someone who has called for the preemptive nuking of Syria and Iraq, states that we are not at war with, based on the theory that:

They have already slaughtered and ‘cleansed’ all of their Christians over there. All that’s left are Muslims, and there is no such thing as an innocent Muslim.

Now, where I come from, that’s considered a mighty unChristian attitude, not to mention psychotic. To do so while also talking about End Times? I doubt Augustine or Aquinas would have been so kind to him…

JohnGalt23 on September 18, 2014 at 9:19 PM

The least you can do is tell the truth, Son. I never said that God wanted to nuke anyone. I am NOT God. We are at war with Islam, and that is a fact. You can parse words all you want about ‘peaceful’, ‘innocent’ or ‘moderate’ Muslims, yet you cannot point to a place where they exist. Where in the world is there a nation or a city dominated by Muslims that is peaceful and moderate? just one.

As for what is a Christian attitude? You haven’t a clue of what Christianity is even about, Sonny.

You are a coward, a pantiwaist, and now you have come out as a liar. The trifecta.

Bless your little heart anyway. I’m through playing with you tonight, Johnny. Besides, isn’t it a school night for you??

bimmcorp on September 18, 2014 at 9:28 PM

Besides, isn’t it a school night for you??

bimmcorp on September 18, 2014 at 9:28 PM

One would have thought all the high school kids coming in and asking you for fries with that would have tipped you off…

JohnGalt23 on September 18, 2014 at 9:36 PM

You can parse words all you want about ‘peaceful’, ‘innocent’ or ‘moderate’ Muslims, yet you cannot point to a place where they exist.

bimmcorp on September 18, 2014 at 9:28 PM

Our NATO ally, Turkey?

Oh, but I forgot… you want to alienate them by having mushroom clouds go off on their border?

Get back to the fryer. Your retirement ain’t gonna pay for itself…

JohnGalt23 on September 18, 2014 at 9:37 PM

Unless you really believe God wants to nuke Syria, then I hardly spit on Him.

JohnGalt23 on September 18, 2014 at 9:19 PM

You used his name with all the care of a bubblegum wrapper in your ridiculous excuse for an argument, Galtian fool, and then promptly showed you have less understanding of Christianity than you do of rocket science.

Derpy McNukem may have a simplistic line of thinking but at least he isn’t acting like a toddler.

LawfulGood on September 18, 2014 at 9:37 PM

As for what is a Christian attitude? You haven’t a clue of what Christianity is even about, Sonny.

bimmcorp on September 18, 2014 at 9:28 PM

Well, on matters of war and peace, I take my lead from Aquinas.

As opposed to your guiding light, Ronald McDonald…

JohnGalt23 on September 18, 2014 at 9:39 PM

You used his name with all the care of a bubblegum wrapper in your ridiculous excuse for an argument, Galtian fool, and then promptly showed you have less understanding of Christianity than you do of rocket science.

LawfulGood on September 18, 2014 at 9:37 PM

I’ll repeat, I doubt Aquinas would argue in favor of preemptive nuclear strikes on sovereign states that we are at peace with. Perhaps you have some Christian philosophers in mind who would argue that:

They have already slaughtered and ‘cleansed’ all of their Christians over there. All that’s left are Muslims, and there is no such thing as an innocent Muslim.

And thus justify preemptive nuclear war? I’d be very interested in reading them…

JohnGalt23 on September 18, 2014 at 9:42 PM

Bottom line in Rand’s speech is that we should not be arming “moderate rebels” in Syria’s civil war. We should have recognized the mess that Libya has turned out to be.

onlineanalyst on September 18, 2014 at 9:42 PM

Bottom line in Rand’s speech is that we should not be arming “moderate rebels” in Syria’s civil war. We should have recognized the mess that Libya has turned out to be.

onlineanalyst on September 18, 2014 at 9:42 PM

And I swear if I hear one more fleabrain argue that arming Islamic fanatics to fight the Soviets was a GOOD IDEA…

The number of sizable groups in that region that are actually neutral or friendly to us are so incredibly few, and they are forced to contend with long-outdated borders drawn by European nations that are all but extinct.

LawfulGood on September 18, 2014 at 9:46 PM

Every member of the federal government who voted to send arms to Islamic jihadis knowing full well that those arms will end up in the hands of Al Qaeda/ISIS are traitors.

FloatingRock on September 18, 2014 at 9:55 PM

FloatingRock on September 18, 2014 at 9:55 PM

Apparently my guy from Florida is one of the few who voted against this.

Cindy Munford on September 18, 2014 at 10:01 PM

Apparently my guy from Florida is one of the few who voted against this.

Cindy Munford on September 18, 2014 at 10:01 PM

Give him a call and thank him.

They love that…

JohnGalt23 on September 18, 2014 at 10:04 PM

Rand Paul certainly has his finger on the pulse of war and its
unintended consequences. Or in Obama’s case “intended”.

Amjean on September 18, 2014 at 10:18 PM

LiberTopians are reliable in their “Blame America First” mantras.

Bleed_thelizard on September 19, 2014 at 7:55 AM

LiberTopians are reliable in their “Blame America First” mantras.

Bleed_thelizard on September 19, 2014 at 7:55 AM

A little early to be hitting the bottle, isn’t it…?

JohnGalt23 on September 19, 2014 at 7:59 AM

while i agree with Rand’s Central premise that getting involved in a jihadist civil war between competing Islamic factions is a bad idea, the ideological wellspring that he obtains his justification for this is isolationism. Much like McCain’s is to rush in and attack and bomb one side for the sake of doing so, that’s a foolhardy position as much as Rand’s. His immediate response to any international dust-up is to base it off Isolationism and then craft a response built around his ideology. The problem with having such a inflexible position is you are not able to adapt to world affairs. Th response to Russian aggression against Ukraine being a perfect example,

“why don’t we stop poking Russia’ he says as tanks move into neighboring countries. Only humiliating blowback(see what i did there?) made him retreat from his original position and pretend that he changed his mind.

There needs to be a middle ground, not one from where Ron Paul peeks out from behind a curtain while murmurs “that a boy”

golembythebay on September 19, 2014 at 8:28 AM

Rand Paul certainly has his finger on the pulse of war and its
unintended consequences. Or in Obama’s case “intended”.

Amjean on September 18, 2014 at 10:18 PM

oh yeah he sure did, whining that we were bothering Russia the week before they decided to invade Crimea in a full scale invasion not seen since the Soviet incursion into Afghanistan 30 years ago was a brilliant strategical move on his part. That’s quite the pulse he took, lol

golembythebay on September 19, 2014 at 8:31 AM

A little history refresher for the Left and the pacifists about Iraq and the rise of ISIS:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/09/the_american_left_and_isis.html

onlineanalyst on September 19, 2014 at 9:00 AM

golembythebay on September 19, 2014 at 8:28 AM

Exactly!

What is so pathetic is that our deliberative body (Hah!) in Congress is so ill-informed and hardly deliberative. They buy into the media’s latest narratives instead of weighing facts.

onlineanalyst on September 19, 2014 at 9:04 AM

The Governments of both Syria and Iraq are equated by the majorities of both countries as nothing more than Western puppets. oscarwilde on September 18, 2014 at 9:20 PM

Russia is in a western power? Huh.

Akzed on September 19, 2014 at 9:57 AM

oh yeah he sure did, whining that we were bothering Russia the week before they decided to invade Crimea in a full scale invasion not seen since the Soviet incursion into Afghanistan 30 years ago was a brilliant strategical move on his part. That’s quite the pulse he took, lol golembythebay on September 19, 2014 at 8:31 AM

That’s a boldly ignorant statement. Ukraine has not been occupied by a full scale invasion of Russia, last time I looked. And Russia hasn’t set up a puppet national govt there, NATO has. Ukraine is bombing ethnic Russian cities in Ukraine. So I ask, in all honesty, what are you smoking?

Why is the 0b00ba administration justified in going after ISIS 10k miles away, but Russia can’t deal with foreign interference -including a coup- in a bordering nation?

Akzed on September 19, 2014 at 10:03 AM

the ideological wellspring that he obtains his justification for this is isolationism…. Isolationism… golembythebay on September 19, 2014 at 8:28 AM

The charge of isolationist comes from the same deck as the charge of racist, and is pulled from the same deck with the mental energy.

Akzed on September 19, 2014 at 10:17 AM

Rand Paul certainly has his finger on the pulse of war and its
unintended consequences. Or in Obama’s case “intended”.

Amjean on September 18, 2014 at 10:18 PM

oh yeah he sure did, whining that we were bothering Russia the week before they decided to invade Crimea in a full scale invasion not seen since the Soviet incursion into Afghanistan 30 years ago was a brilliant strategical move on his part. That’s quite the pulse he took, lol

golembythebay on September 19, 2014 at 8:31 AM

Rand Paul doesn’t whine; apparently you do. And I might add that
you need to do a little more research for facts before you post
about something that you obviously know little about.

Amjean on September 19, 2014 at 10:18 AM

Is this the one in which he also calls GOP’ers who favor voter ID racists? Or is that a different speech?

Midas on September 19, 2014 at 10:47 AM

Rand Paul doesn’t whine; apparently you do.

Amjean on September 19, 2014 at 10:18 AM

kvetchbythebay…

JohnGalt23 on September 19, 2014 at 11:56 AM

Is this the one in which he also calls GOP’ers who favor voter ID racists? Or is that a different speech?

Midas on September 19, 2014 at 10:47 AM

Perhaps you can quote him as saying such?

Or admit that you are lying…

JohnGalt23 on September 19, 2014 at 11:57 AM

Take a look and see how your senator voted:

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/113-2014/s270

Both MO senators went in for this…I’m still looking for my congresswoman, Ann Wagner, whose office isn’t answering. The vote is hidden under HJ Res 124-continuing resolution since they’ve tied it to the debt ceiling.

Oh well, just a diversion from preparing my quarterly taxes. Why I care anymore is amazing.

GreenEnergy on September 19, 2014 at 12:16 PM

Perhaps you can quote him as saying such?

Or admit that you are lying…

JohnGalt23 on September 19, 2014 at 11:57 AM

“So many times, Republicans are seen as this party of, ‘We don’t want black people to vote because they’re voting Democrat, we don’t want Hispanic people to vote because they’re voting Democrat,’” he said. “We wonder why the Republican Party is so small. Why don’t we be the party that’s for people voting, for voting rights?”

It’s implied, that he agrees with that premise. Otherwise, he would have refuted it, and clarified why Republicans support voter ID, rather than reinforcing the idea. Voter ID is all about voting rights. He’s making a distinction where there is none, and this is “all about Rand” and it has nothing to do with “leadership.” The purpose of it is to benefit himself politically, and you probably realize that, but you have no integrity and support Rand regardless of what he says.

He’s not a Republican. He’s another liebertarian like his daddy who just runs on the Republican ticket so he can get elected. You’re obviously fine with that. Good for you. I’m disappointed in Rand, because I thought he was not like his daddy.

JannyMae on September 19, 2014 at 1:10 PM

Rand Paul is an idiot libertarian isolationist who will NEVER be on a national GOP ticket.

Intervention didn’t cause this crisis, and it is flatly either stupid, dishonest, or both to pretend otherwise.

Adjoran on September 19, 2014 at 3:00 PM

and there you have it, we need to nuke all the Muslims because the Bible tells us that this is the end times. I cannot wait to hear this line of policy at the GOP convention

burserker on September 19, 2014 at 3:28 PM

The Paul family is rapidly cornering the market on lunacy,with schizophrenia apparently Rand’s psychosis of choice.

redware on September 19, 2014 at 3:44 PM

A little early to be hitting the bottle, isn’t it…?

JohnGalt23 on September 19, 2014 at 7:59 AM

Hey, you can’t be drunk all day if you don’t start in the morning.

Midas on September 19, 2014 at 4:56 PM

Is this the one in which he also calls GOP’ers who favor voter ID racists? Or is that a different speech?

Midas on September 19, 2014 at 10:47 AM

Perhaps you can quote him as saying such?

Or admit that you are lying…

JohnGalt23 on September 19, 2014 at 11:57 AM

Quit being a f*cking moron, pull your nose out of Rand’s ass, and pay attention for a few moments, you might learn something.

JannyMae on September 19, 2014 at 1:10 PM

Thank you for replying to that idiot in a more timely manner than I was able.

Midas on September 19, 2014 at 5:00 PM

Rand Paul certainly has his finger on the pulse of war and its
unintended consequences. Or in Obama’s case “intended”.

Amjean on September 18, 2014 at 10:18 PM

oh yeah he sure did, whining that we were bothering Russia the week before they decided to invade Crimea in a full scale invasion not seen since the Soviet incursion into Afghanistan 30 years ago was a brilliant strategical move on his part. That’s quite the pulse he took, lol

golembythebay on September 19, 2014 at 8:31 AM

Rand Paul doesn’t whine; apparently you do. And I might add that
you need to do a little more research for facts before you post
about something that you obviously know little about.

Amjean on September 19, 2014 at 10:18 AM

like what?

golembythebay on September 19, 2014 at 6:45 PM

It’s implied…

JannyMae on September 19, 2014 at 1:10 PM

OK, so you can’t quote Rand Paul, anywhere, where he

calls GOP’ers who favor voter ID racists?

Got it.

So I can continue assuming that Midas is, in fact, a greasy, filthy, no-account liar.

Just like Obama…

JohnGalt23 on September 19, 2014 at 7:19 PM

Quit being a f*cking moron, pull your nose out of Rand’s ass, and pay attention for a few moments, you might learn something.

Midas on September 19, 2014 at 5:00 PM

Yeah. Still waiting to “learn” when you can quote Rand Paul where he

calls GOP’ers who favor voter ID racists?

I think I’ll be waiting a while, but until then, we’re going to go with the default position that you are a filthy, greasy, shiftless, no-account lying Obama acolyte…

JohnGalt23 on September 19, 2014 at 7:22 PM

Unless you really believe God wants to nuke Syria, then I hardly spit on Him.

JohnGalt23 on September 18, 2014 at 9:19 PM

Well, it is the Bible itself that foretells the total destruction of Damascus.

HiJack on September 19, 2014 at 9:13 PM

For all his fish style flip-flopping on foreign policy, he still hasn’t accidently hit a correct note. Still amazes me that people take him seriously as a Presidential candidate, especially considering his career history is virtually the same as Obama; freshman senator with a weak grasp on foreign policy, promulgating the his own take on Constitution, with no executive experience. Not sure when we’re gonna generate another Reagan, but this bunch just looks progressively more silly, if not outright juvenile, between all the finger pointing with no solid plan to fix a damned thing.

Ebola on September 20, 2014 at 4:31 AM

For all his fish style flip-flopping on foreign policy, he still hasn’t accidently hit a correct note. Still amazes me that people take him seriously as a Presidential candidate, especially considering his career history is virtually the same as Obama; freshman senator with a weak grasp on foreign policy, promulgating the his own take on Constitution, with no executive experience. Not sure when we’re gonna generate another Reagan, but this bunch just looks progressively more silly, if not outright juvenile, between all the finger pointing with no solid plan to fix a damned thing.

Ebola on September 20, 2014 at 4:31 AM

Let me be clear: If Romney or a Romney-type gets nominated, I’m staying home.

If Rand Paul gets nominated, I’ll vote straight GOP. He might not see eye to eye with realpolitiks, but he’s a damn sight better than Romney or any other squish.

fossten on September 20, 2014 at 11:18 AM

fossten on September 20, 2014 at 11:18 AM

The idea of the GOP producing their own version of Obama, in hypocrisy alone, is enough to keep quite a few people from voting. Throw in that Rand’s idea of foreign policy is so utterly incompetant and it’s just icing on the cake. I don’t want to feel dirty voting for another Romney or McCain, but between the squish and the loony-hawk, they’re still a damned sight better than Paul. This entire field just sucks. Hoping Walker runs, honestly.

Ebola on September 20, 2014 at 11:57 AM

Incompetent, even. I haven’t had my coffee, lol.

Ebola on September 20, 2014 at 11:58 AM

Quit being a f*cking moron, pull your nose out of Rand’s ass, and pay attention for a few moments, you might learn something.
Midas on September 19, 2014 at 5:00 PM

Didn’t have to look far. It’s fun to say things on the web that you wouldn’t say in person, huh?

V7_Sport on September 20, 2014 at 6:59 PM

Let me be clear: If Romney or a Romney-type gets nominated, I’m staying home.

If Rand Paul gets nominated, I’ll vote straight GOP. He might not see eye to eye with realpolitiks, but he’s a damn sight better than Romney or any other squish.

fossten on September 20, 2014 at 11:18 AM

That makes two of us. I refuse to vote for a Democrat-lite on some supposed brand-name loyalty. It’s long since lost any meaningful difference than just voting straight libtard.

LawfulGood on September 21, 2014 at 12:26 PM

JOhnGalt23 believe me you have no clue as to Aquinas or the real Bible (Jerusalem Bible) but I have a degree in Ethics, and had to study not only Aquinas but many others. When your life is in danger domestically and foreign, then it is war and you must use harsh weapons to stop the war and clean up the mess. There are no innocents left in the MidEast due to rampant muslim killings, so using full force against them is the most effective and efficient way to wipe the vermin from the face of the earth. You really should know Jesus more also and what He said and did. Agape may happen some day but I don’t expect it will be for a long time or maybe only when we reach Heaven.

Roselle on September 21, 2014 at 4:14 PM

OhnGalt23 believe me you have no clue as to Aquinas or the real Bible (Jerusalem Bible) but I have a degree in Ethics, and had to study not only Aquinas but many others.

Roselle on September 21, 2014 at 4:14 PM

Then you should go back to whatever university issued you your degree, and demand your money back, because they did a p!ss-poor job in educating you on Aquinas, if you think that preemptive nuclear war against non-nuclear states meets this criteria:

The third thing requisite is a right intention of promoting good or avoiding evil. For Augustine says: “Eagerness to hurt, bloodthirsty desire of revenge, an untamed and unforgiving temper, ferocity in renewing the struggle, dust of empire,—these and the like excesses are justly blamed in war.”

JohnGalt23 on September 22, 2014 at 9:59 AM

Let me be clear: If Romney or a Romney-type gets nominated, I’m staying home.

If Rand Paul gets nominated, I’ll vote straight GOP. He might not see eye to eye with realpolitiks, but he’s a damn sight better than Romney or any other squish.

fossten on September 20, 2014 at 11:18 AM

That makes two of us. I refuse to vote for a Democrat-lite on some supposed brand-name loyalty. It’s long since lost any meaningful difference than just voting straight libtard.

LawfulGood on September 21, 2014 at 12:26 PM

Do what you want but I don’t wont to her a flippen peep out of you if everythnig goes south.

KBird on September 22, 2014 at 3:49 PM

Do what you want but I don’t wont to her a flippen peep out of you if everythnig goes south.

KBird on September 22, 2014 at 3:49 PM

Peep peep, everything WILL go south, Tweety Bird, unless the right wing quits voting for the Sucker Party in favor of someone who might actually act conservative once elected. You will no more turn this country around with the remnants of the Republican machine than you could tow a bus out of the ditch with a chain made out of rusty paperclips.

LawfulGood on September 22, 2014 at 10:28 PM

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