Watch ISIS’s Hollywood movie trailer goading U.S. to again invade Iraq

posted at 1:21 pm on September 17, 2014 by Noah Rothman

ISIS is an amalgam consisting of disaffected youth, displaced Iraqi and Syrian opposition fighters, and anti-Western fundamentalists. It is a relatively small force, and has only enjoyed the military successes it enjoys because of the weakness of its adversaries. ISIS is a group unworthy of much of the awe they have inspired in the West.

It is, however, an organization that does seek to function more like a state than a terrorist organization. ISIS has organized municipal services and humanitarian services. It collects taxes and fields a police force which enforces Sharia law. It provides water, electricity, and sewage to its residents. It produces oil and petroleum products and sells them on the black market for a reported $3 million per day in revenues. Perhaps most consequentially, ISIS has a propaganda arm as sophisticated as anything Goebbels ever managed.

For example, the Islamic State released a trailer on Wednesday for a new movie entitled Flames of War. It looks as well produced and action-packed as anything Michael Bay ever directed:

Most disturbingly, the minute-long trailer prominently features President Barack Obama assuring the nation that American ground forces will not be participating in combat operations against ISIS. The president’s insistence is juxtaposed with footage of American forces encountering resistance while serving in Iraq in the last decade.

The viewer is left with the impression that the Islamic State is eager to create the impression that the United States fears engaging ISIS on their terms. That is, no doubt, the propagandist message the terror group wants to project.

Whether Americans or ISIS likes it or not, U.S. ground forces may soon be again seeing combat in Iraq. On Tuesday, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Martin Dempsey conceded that there were some circumstances that would lead him to recommend to the president sending American troops to serve in a combat advisory role alongside Kurdish and Iraqi forces. If the president’s strategy aimed at rolling back ISIS in Iraq and containing them in Syria is to be believed, those circumstances will soon arise.


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WTF?

Oil Can on September 17, 2014 at 1:25 PM

Maybe they will sign a contract with hollywood, they deserve each other!

Sven on September 17, 2014 at 1:26 PM

Obama’s probably thinking “Hey, that’s some pretty high-quality production values there. Wonder if they have the same kind of money as Hollywood, and would be willing to host a few Organizing For America fundraisers?

jon1979 on September 17, 2014 at 1:26 PM

It was produced by anti-American hollywood types.

Bigbullets on September 17, 2014 at 1:26 PM

ISIS needn’t worry….Obama is focused on his real enemy. The U.S. Constitution.

Viva Progressivism. Full speed ahead on dismantling our founding documents.

Who cares what the _SIS says.

I took the “I” for Islamic of ISIS so as not to offend the Jihadi supporters reading the posts.

You’re welcome.

PappyD61 on September 17, 2014 at 1:28 PM

It was produced by anti-American hollywood types.

Bigbullets on September 17, 2014 at 1:26 PM

Hillary is signing them up right now.

Oil Can on September 17, 2014 at 1:29 PM

If we freaking go to Iraq with ground troops because of a stupid ISIS web video taunting us, America needs its weapons taken away from it. Seriously!

coolrepublica on September 17, 2014 at 1:29 PM

Dear leader just reiterated his no combat troops on the ground

That will come with an expiration date in short order

cmsinaz on September 17, 2014 at 1:29 PM

… It is a relatively small force …

Small?

ISIS has 100,000 fighters … growing fast …

http://rt.com/news/183048-isis-grow-expand-jihadist/

Pork-Chop on September 17, 2014 at 1:31 PM

After all this time, they still can’t aim their weapons. Look at that screen cap of the guy behind the wall with his hands to his ears and the guy shooting around the wall. Typical.

Not even AQ was this brazen.

Patriot Vet on September 17, 2014 at 1:31 PM

… It is a relatively small force …

Small?

ISIS has 100,000 fighters … growing fast …

http://rt.com/news/183048-isis-grow-expand-jihadist/

Pork-Chop on September 17, 2014 at 1:31 PM

You quoted RT that means their actual size is probably 20K.

coolrepublica on September 17, 2014 at 1:32 PM

ISIS is a group unworthy of much of the awe they have inspired in the West.

JV, huh?

VorDaj on September 17, 2014 at 1:35 PM

Flames of War (1994)

Christien on September 17, 2014 at 1:37 PM

Perhaps most consequentially, ISIS has a propaganda arm as sophisticated as anything Goebbels ever managed.

But not nearly up to the level of that run by the Obama/MSM complex.

VorDaj on September 17, 2014 at 1:37 PM

Whether Americans or ISIS likes it or not, U.S. ground forces may soon be again seeing combat in Iraq.

Too bad, we used to have something called a representative democracy.

Clark1 on September 17, 2014 at 1:38 PM

Osama Bin Hidin stated very clearly his goal was to bankrupt the United States. The response after 9/11 is exactly what he was hoping for, and things unfortunately, are playing out precisely as he had hoped. We still cannot even acknowledge Al Queso and the other Muslim terror groups are Islamic – how on earth can we even hope to defeat them if we are not willing to directly confront the ideology and identify the enemy??

We can keep sending our young people into harms way. We can keep expending our resources. We can keep spending our (borrowed) money. But at the end of the day if we cannot even admit that what this really boils down to is Islam vs modernity, we will only continue to fulfill Osama Bin Hidin’s plans for our bankruptcy and resulting loss of security it will bring.

NOTHING. And I mean NOTHING. Will ever bring in hoards of disillusioned and hopeless followers of religion faster and more effectively than poverty. This is why we see religion on the wain in western society and Islam spreading like a plague through so much if Indonesia, Southeast Asia, the Stans, the Middle East, and the slums of Europe.

We better bring this out into the open before it’s too late.

KMC1 on September 17, 2014 at 1:38 PM

When will ISIS announce heir new slogans – Hope and Change and Fundamental Transformation.

VorDaj on September 17, 2014 at 1:38 PM

It provides water, electricity, and sewage to its residents.

How about we bomb those infrastructure like any normal target. Are our military advisers and targeting personnel not able to because of the admin, or haven’t they thought about it?

We did it in Iraq, we should do it here.

Patriot Vet on September 17, 2014 at 1:39 PM

Looks like a Michael Moore production.

redguy on September 17, 2014 at 1:42 PM

Looks like a Michael Moore production.

redguy on September 17, 2014 at 1:42 PM

Probably is.

Bigbullets on September 17, 2014 at 1:49 PM

I’m guessing ISO is already crowdsourcing to get this thing made.

The real problem I have is that it is a little bit more than goading the US to invade. It’s making a lie out of the rat-eared wonder’s idea that victory can be attained by air operations alone.

Happy Nomad on September 17, 2014 at 1:50 PM

If we freaking go to Iraq with ground troops because of a stupid ISIS web video taunting us, America needs its weapons taken away from it. Seriously!

coolrepublica on September 17, 2014 at 1:29 PM

Don’t you worry your pretty little head off sugar britches, real American Warriors will still fight to defend your worthless azz just like everyone else’s.

And only a worthless anti-American Commander-in-Chief would be foolish enough to send our Armed Forces into combat over this silly little video. Wait, what….Oh Shite!

D-fusit on September 17, 2014 at 1:50 PM

Hunting season

Schadenfreude on September 17, 2014 at 1:51 PM

Whether Americans or ISIS likes it or not, U.S. ground forces may soon be again seeing combat in Iraq.

Maybe obama paid this guy to say this, for billions in pocket change.

Schadenfreude on September 17, 2014 at 1:52 PM

America needs its weapons taken away from it. Seriously!

coolrepublica on September 17, 2014 at 1:29 PM

Too late

See Putin and ISO

Schadenfreude on September 17, 2014 at 1:53 PM

Patriot Vet on September 17, 2014 at 1:39 PM

Near as I can tell, we are spending tens of thousands of dollars to take out a $3000 pick-up truck with a mounted gun.

Victory through smart power! /

Happy Nomad on September 17, 2014 at 1:54 PM

the inquisition is literally a branch of the catholic church itself, presided over by the pope.

ISIS has been decried by muslims worldwide.

everdiso on September 15, 2014 at 11:29 AM

Schadenfreude on September 17, 2014 at 1:55 PM

Why you’re giving their video play here is beyond me. Clickbaiting indeed.

xNavigator on September 17, 2014 at 1:56 PM

Ummm, about what you would expect from guys who sleep with goats. 0 stars out of 4

Southernblogger on September 17, 2014 at 1:56 PM

ISIS has 100,000 fighters … growing fast …

http://rt.com/news/183048-isis-grow-expand-jihadist/

Pork-Chop on September 17, 2014 at 1:31 PM

When you assume for non-combat, it’s more likely they have 2 Divisions of combat-capable troops, primarily Motorized/Light Infantry.

Add a dash of 2 Regiments of “Specialized” troops like Light Armor, Air Defense (some guys holding MANPADS), Security and Engineers, etc. The rest would probably be support personnel for the infrastructure, assuming those that weren’t dragooned into service for the State.

I don’t think they’ve hit the 100k mark yet, but even half that number, is going to be a challenge…that’s why it made NO sense they weren’t gone after when they first popped on the radar.

Whats true then, is true now…militarily speaking of course.

BlaxPac on September 17, 2014 at 1:57 PM

How much more obviously Bre’r rabbit do these people have to be before you all get it in your skulls that they *want* a ground war. They know it will serve as a massive recruitment tool and that there’s no way to actually win a conflict against an enemy whose end-goal is war itself. Literally, they are betting that the United States is so masculinist that they can’t ignore a pointless challenge. And based upon everyone collectively deciding to ignore the failure of pre-emptive wars launched a decade ago *in the same country* they are right.

libfreeordie on September 17, 2014 at 1:57 PM

First at the urging of Qatar, The House of Saud, and The Grand Turk Erdogan, Obama sought to bomb the Alawite al-Assad from his villa in the suburbs of Damascus where he drinks mint tea, suppresses Sunnis, and refuses to allow Qatarite pipelines to pass through his lands because of his friendship with their rivals in the energy sector, the Russians.

Now we want to bomb the very Sunnis militias we armed and trained to oppose al-Assad, and with Persian-Shia connivance, to de facto restore the fortunes of the so-called Shia Crescent and the ascendency of their Russian sponsors?

How many times will the U.S. switch sides I wonder?

So – to be clear – the strategy to defeat ISIS is to arm more of the same “rebels” that ultimately split off and became, well, ISIS?

casuist on September 17, 2014 at 1:58 PM

If we freaking go to Iraq with ground troops because of a stupid ISIS web video taunting us, America needs its weapons taken away from it. Seriously!
coolrepublica on September 17, 2014 at 1:29 PM

If it weren’t for you twits this never would have happened. This blood is on your hands. Beheaded children and all.

jawkneemusic on September 17, 2014 at 2:01 PM

ISIS is an amalgam consisting of disaffected youth, displaced Iraqi and Syrian opposition fighters, and anti-Western fundamentalists. It is a relatively small force, and has only enjoyed the military successes it enjoys because of the weakness of its adversaries. ISIS is a group unworthy of much of the awe they have inspired in the West.

Sounds like you’re describing a JV force or something. Go ahead, have some more Kool-Aid; there’s plenty, Noah. *smh*

Now, if you really want to counter the propaganda of the “oooh, Americans are scared to fight us on the ground because they remember how Iraq went last time” sort, don’t put troops on the ground. Fly a flight of B52s over an area where IS has gathered forces and seriously carpet bomb it, while a SF unit videos the resultant he!! on earth. Then put some Ride of the Valkyrie theme music on it, with captioning that says “Whatever”.

GWB on September 17, 2014 at 2:02 PM

libfreeordie on September 17, 2014 at 1:57 PM

That preemptive war was won until your POS president refused to leave a residual force. This blood is on your hands.

jawkneemusic on September 17, 2014 at 2:03 PM

Near as I can tell, we are spending tens of thousands of dollars to take out a $3000 pick-up truck with a mounted gun.

Victory through smart power! /

Happy Nomad on September 17, 2014 at 1:54 PM

If that is the extent of their targeting package, they need to rethink their strategy. They can get all the trucks they want, but they only have limited resources for people to use. Take those away and make them suffer.

Patriot Vet on September 17, 2014 at 2:03 PM

If we freaking go to Iraq with ground troops because of a stupid ISIS web video taunting us, America needs its weapons taken away from it. Seriously!
coolrepublica on September 17, 2014 at 1:29 PM

If it weren’t for you twits this never would have happened. This blood is on your hands. Beheaded children and all.

jawkneemusic on September 17, 2014 at 2:01 PM

There is money in it for you, if you can tell me how this is my fault.

coolrepublica on September 17, 2014 at 2:04 PM

And based upon everyone collectively deciding to ignore the failure of pre-emptive wars launched a decade ago *in the same country* they are right.

libfreeordie on September 17, 2014 at 1:57 PM

So you’re cool with the forced conversion and/or slaughtering of Christians? You’re okay with the way women are treated in ISO-controlled areas of Iraq and Syria? You don’t see any sort of a threat to our national security here if we do nothing to thwart terrorists?

Good to know you leftists are as clueless as ever.

Happy Nomad on September 17, 2014 at 2:05 PM

How much more obviously Bre’r rabbit do these people have to be before you all get it in your skulls that they *want* a ground war. They know it will serve as a massive recruitment tool and that there’s no way to actually win a conflict against an enemy whose end-goal is war itself. Literally, they are betting that the United States is so masculinist that they can’t ignore a pointless challenge. And based upon everyone collectively deciding to ignore the failure of pre-emptive wars launched a decade ago *in the same country* they are right.

libfreeordie on September 17, 2014 at 1:57 PM

One, stop making up words.

Two, you believe it is pointless to ensure that ISIS is not capable of making it to the US to attack us here? You think that reducing their ability to take control of even more area in the region is not the right move? What is the right move then?

How do you propose we ensure the safety of our troops and personnel in the region, as well as at home if we do not attack them where they live?

Patriot Vet on September 17, 2014 at 2:08 PM

Great, another family movie from those nice lil muzzel-ems.

The title should be “ISLAM, it’s a BLAST!”

stuartm80127 on September 17, 2014 at 2:09 PM

For example, the Islamic State released a trailer on Wednesday for a new movie entitled Flames of War. It looks as well produced and action-packed as anything Michael Bay ever directed:

Noah, you need to get out more. Seriously dude if you think that this crap was “as well produced and action-packed” as say Transformers, then I feel real bad for you kid. Have you ever been to a theater or do you just watch movies on your iPhone, ’cause that would be the only explanation I could come up with to defend that statement. And might I also ask that you keep in mind that some of those clips used in this video most likely are of actual combat scenes where real American men and women were killed or wounded, let’s try to tone down the glorification of that, M’kay

That is all…….Carry-on.

D-fusit on September 17, 2014 at 2:09 PM

coolrepublica on September 17, 2014 at 2:04 PM

You’re a leftist stooge. Leftist stooges wanted us out of Iraq and your King Stooge pulled us out prematurely against all the advise of his military advisors simply to satisfy the cries of his fellow stooges. You may as well have wielded the knife.

jawkneemusic on September 17, 2014 at 2:09 PM

Wanna talk numbers? ISIS has approx 1+ billion adherents.

vnvet on September 17, 2014 at 2:12 PM

So you’re cool with the forced conversion and/or slaughtering of Christians? You’re okay with the way women are treated in ISO-controlled areas of Iraq and Syria? You don’t see any sort of a threat to our national security here if we do nothing to thwart terrorists?

Happy Nomad on September 17, 2014 at 2:05 PM

I’d like to point out that the first two sentences have nothing to do with the last sentence. We (the United States) have no business going to war because someone somewhere is being mean to others. Period.

Also, simply because they’re terrorists does not make them a threat to our national security. Yes, this group is a threat to us, imho, because of their stated goals and their possible resources. That means we should consider taking the fight to them. But, that should not be a foregone conclusion simply because they’re terrorist, nor (especially) just because they’re mean to people.

I would also like to specify that if anyone is all fired up about fighting these guys because they’re mean to Christians or Azidid or women, etc., then they should by all means hop a plane and go fight them. Just don’t demand that our government order other people into harm’s way for that reason.

GWB on September 17, 2014 at 2:13 PM

ISIS has 100,000 fighters … growing fast …

http://rt.com/news/183048-isis-grow-expand-jihadist/

Pork-Chop on September 17, 2014 at 1:31 PM

The last intel I saw on it put them at around 32,000.

Solaratov on September 17, 2014 at 2:14 PM

United States is so masculinist

libfreeordie on September 17, 2014 at 1:57 PM

BWAHAHAHAhahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Whadda maroon.

Solaratov on September 17, 2014 at 2:16 PM

There is money in it for you, if you can tell me how this is my fault.

coolrepublica on September 17, 2014 at 2:04 PM

See the black general and Dempsey, and all the generals. obama overruled them all and left Iraq.

Schadenfreude on September 17, 2014 at 2:23 PM

There is money in it for you, if you can tell me how this is my fault.

coolrepublica on September 17, 2014 at 2:04 PM

See the black general and Dempsey, and all the generals. obama overruled them all and left Iraq.

Schadenfreude on September 17, 2014 at 2:23 PM

Sooo what you are saying is I am Obama?

coolrepublica on September 17, 2014 at 2:29 PM

Sooo what you are saying is I am Obama?

coolrepublica on September 17, 2014 at 2:29 PM

Would explain a lot…but I digress.

BlaxPac on September 17, 2014 at 2:31 PM

ISIS is a group unworthy of much of the awe they have inspired in the West.

so when the order comes in we will see you over there fighting while being hamstrung by restrictive ROE right noah?
yeah I thought not.
these guys are bloodthirsty fighters not bound by any rules and are fanatical. that makes them very dangerous to the boots on the ground.
not that you’d know anything about that.

dmacleo on September 17, 2014 at 2:32 PM

And based upon everyone collectively deciding to ignore the failure of pre-emptive wars launched a decade ago *in the same country* they are right.

libfreeordie on September 17, 2014 at 1:57 PM

The Democrat you’ll happily vote for in 2016 for Commander in Chief voted for that war. And she said at the time she based her vote not on what Bush’s intel people told her, but what her husband’s intel people told her.

That is all.

Del Dolemonte on September 17, 2014 at 2:32 PM

I would also like to specify that if anyone is all fired up about fighting these guys because they’re mean to Christians or Azidid or women, etc., then they should by all means hop a plane and go fight them. Just don’t demand that our government order other people into harm’s way for that reason.

GWB on September 17, 2014 at 2:13 PM

Mass slaughter of Christians is not the same thing as “being mean.” I don’t know if you are trying to be snarky by trivializing the situation or if you really are that clueless.

And BTW, I understand your Rand Paul/Obama feelings that we should just ignore the rest of the world. But Obama created ISO. We broke it, we should try and fix it. IMO, it probably is too late. Obama has created the conditions where we are fighting a well-funded terror group who already has American operatives planning an attack in this nation.

I hope you can live with yourself after ISO starts “being mean” to Americans in this country.

Happy Nomad on September 17, 2014 at 2:40 PM

I would also like to specify that if anyone is all fired up about fighting these guys because they’re mean to Christians or Azidid or women, etc., then they should by all means hop a plane and go fight them. Just don’t demand that our government order other people into harm’s way for that reason when we’re broke and lead by idiots who have no business leading a police force let alone a nuclear-armed nation in an engagement halfway around the world .

GWB on September 17, 2014 at 2:13 PM

Bear that little bit in mind.

LawfulGood on September 17, 2014 at 2:53 PM

“On September 15, ISIS shelled the areas north of Dhuluiya, Iraq
with “chlorine shells.” The attacks resulted in the suffocation of
at least 18 individuals.”

Institute for the Study of War

http://understandingwar.org/sites/default/files/2014-09-16%20Situation%20Report.pdf

Viator on September 17, 2014 at 3:12 PM

I would also like to specify that if anyone is all fired up about fighting these guys because they’re mean to Christians or Azidid or women, etc., then they should by all means hop a plane and go fight them. Just don’t demand that our government order other people into harm’s way for that reason.

GWB on September 17, 2014 at 2:13 PM

You’ve been listening to the president for too long. Building straw men is a concession that your argument is weak.

The Islamic State is a threat. It threatens you personally.

I know because they hacked my Website yesterday.

What did I do that made them take down my site? I defend Israel. So the Islamic State is in the business of telling you what you can and can’t say, even when it has nothing to do with them.

They have cells here. The FBI tells me to look over my shoulder now.

If at some point they take notice of you, I wonder if you’ll still be erecting straw men about why we shouldn’t fight them?

A Chair of Some Kind on September 17, 2014 at 3:15 PM

Who cares what the _SIS says.

I took the “I” for Islamic of ISIS so as not to offend the Jihadi supporters reading the posts.

You’re welcome.

PappyD61 on September 17, 2014 at 1:28 PM

Just call them “Orcs”, you can never go wrong with that label.

Reuben Hick on September 17, 2014 at 3:19 PM

0 stars crescents out of 4

Southernblogger on September 17, 2014 at 1:56 PM

freedomfirst on September 17, 2014 at 3:23 PM

And based upon everyone collectively deciding to ignore the failure of pre-emptive wars launched a decade ago *in the same country* they are right.

libfreeordie on September 17, 2014 at 1:57 PM

There was only one war in Iraq a decade ago. It wasn’t a failure.

The current president deliberately failed to negotiate a SOFA with the Iraqis so that his doglike followers would be happy that he’d alleviated their monomania about “bringing the troops home.” Then the Iraqis reverted to type.

But Operation Iraqi Freedom was a success.

A Chair of Some Kind on September 17, 2014 at 3:25 PM

Osama Bin Hidin stated very clearly his goal was to bankrupt the United States. The response after 9/11 is exactly what he was hoping for, and things unfortunately, are playing out precisely as he had hoped. We still cannot even acknowledge Al Queso and the other Muslim terror groups are Islamic – how on earth can we even hope to defeat them if we are not willing to directly confront the ideology and identify the enemy??

KMC1 on September 17, 2014 at 1:38 PM

My first reaction was a money angle too.

Iraq did wonderfully in collecting nearly a trillion in US investments during the course of the war counter-terrorism actions.

Some hovel gets shot up, Uncle Sam is quickly cutting a check for a McMansion to replace it. Some war lord promises to fight the Orcs in exchange for credibility, training and cash.

Heck, I wouldn’t be surprised if those invested in the MIC pitched in to promote this thing.

Yep, follow the money.

Reuben Hick on September 17, 2014 at 3:25 PM

But….ebola!

freedomfirst on September 17, 2014 at 3:25 PM

So you’re cool with the forced conversion and/or slaughtering of Christians? You’re okay with the way women are treated in ISO-controlled areas of Iraq and Syria? You don’t see any sort of a threat to our national security here if we do nothing to thwart terrorists?

Good to know you leftists are as clueless as ever.

Happy Nomad on September 17, 2014 at 2:05 PM

Are YOU OK with the stonings that the Iranians carry out? Or the Sarin gas slaughter of thousands by Assad? Or the terrorism of Hezbollah? Because THOSE are your allies against ISIS! THEY are the ones will would gain new territory from our help.

Clark1 on September 17, 2014 at 3:40 PM

Mass slaughter of Christians is not the same thing as “being mean.” I don’t know if you are trying to be snarky by trivializing the situation or if you really are that clueless.

Happy Nomad on September 17, 2014 at 2:40 PM

I’m not clueless. The world is a vicious place, but it is NOT our place as the American nation to go save the world from itself. Period. It isn’t even possible. The deaths of other people in the world is NOT a vital American interest into which we – as a nation – should invest blood and treasure.

I said that I happen to think IS is an existential threat to America. (On this and other threads.) And, since it is, we should deal with it on that basis – and that involves total war to eliminate the threat entirely. The problem is the political will isn’t there for that, so we’ll futz around and end up in the same situation we’re in now, but with a lot more American soldiers, sailors and airmen dead or wounded.

That is NOT a good answer, imho.

I understand your Rand Paul/Obama feelings

Happy Nomad on September 17, 2014 at 2:40 PM

You’ve been listening to the president for too long. Building straw men is a concession that your argument is weak.

A Chair of Some Kind on September 17, 2014 at 3:15 PM

Egad, you can’t take a Washingtonian/Jeffersonian foreign policy stance without being accused of being an 0bama sycophant? If you were physically present, I would call you out over that level of insult.

Chair – where is there a strawman in my statement? I’m stating that we should not be sending our men and women to die and spending massive amounts of money and expending massive amounts of materiel because bad people in the world are doing bad things. I don’t think that’s a strawman, because IT’S THE ARGUMENT SOME PEOPLE HERE ARE MAKING. If you want to make the argument that we should attack and eliminate IS because they are a direct threat to vital American interests, fine. But I won’t simply let the other argument be made without pushback – that is the road to eternal “police” presence all over the world.

GWB on September 17, 2014 at 4:02 PM

Are YOU OK with the stonings that the Iranians carry out? Or the Sarin gas slaughter of thousands by Assad? Or the terrorism of Hezbollah? Because THOSE are your allies against ISIS! THEY are the ones will would gain new territory from our help.

Clark1 on September 17, 2014 at 3:40 PM

You are looking down the road, but, with respect, not far enough. ISIS is even more lunatic than Iran. It looks like ISIS and Iran will go to war over Iraq. The more Islamically fanatic will prevail and form a larger Caliphate or they will enter into a truce and form a jihad partnership. In the end result, Islamic fanaticism will be stronger than ever and aimed at their true enemy. Are you comfortable with that?

Basilsbest on September 17, 2014 at 4:30 PM

Chair – where is there a strawman in my statement?
GWB on September 17, 2014 at 4:02 PM

Well…here.

I would also like to specify that if anyone is all fired up about fighting these guys because they’re mean to Christians or Azidid or women, etc.

GWB on September 17, 2014 at 2:13 PM

Not a single person in the US has said that we need to fight the Islamic State because it’s being mean.

Classic contemptuous reframing of someone else’s completely VALID opinion.

It’s Obama’s favorite trick. You can disagree with someone without making them seem like fools or mischaracterizing their viewpoints.

That’s called “honest debate.”

A Chair of Some Kind on September 17, 2014 at 4:35 PM

United States is so masculinist

libfreeordie on September 17, 2014 at 1:57 PM

As I woman, please spare me the pity-party. I do quite well in America’s ‘man’s world.’

I just don’t think that I could ever survive a feminist United States, especially considering the fact that you, a man, want to be one of the leading intellectuals.

Listen, dude, this is my turf…and I like it.

Resist We Much on September 17, 2014 at 5:09 PM

You’re a leftist stooge. Leftist stooges wanted us out of Iraq and your King Stooge pulled us out prematurely against all the advise of his military advisors simply to satisfy the cries of his fellow stooges. You may as well have wielded the knife.

jawkneemusic on September 17, 2014 at 2:09 PM

Or maybe it’s the Iraq war cheerleaders that got us in there in 2003. Bet the ISIS wouldn’t be doing this in Iraq under Sunni Saddam.

TheDriver on September 17, 2014 at 5:22 PM

I’d rather see a video of ISIS terrorists, followed by a series of mushroom clouds, and ISIS terrorists vaporizing.

Ward Cleaver on September 17, 2014 at 5:23 PM

Or maybe it’s the Iraq war cheerleaders that got us in there in 2003. Bet the ISIS wouldn’t be doing this in Iraq under Sunni Saddam.

TheDriver on September 17, 2014 at 5:22 PM

Halabja was better?

hawkdriver on September 18, 2014 at 9:02 AM

ISIS is a group unworthy of much of the awe they have inspired in the West.

You planning on volunteering for on the ground reporting?

Noah, what they have inspired is rank, raw fear among reporters and the civilians who read their reports. Any groups of barbarians who are willing to do anything to anybody they don’t like is worthy of awe despite your dismissal. You are whistling past the graveyard if you don’t realize that. They would cheerfully cut you head off while you are still alive if they could. It that doesn’t frighten you down to your core then nothing will.

The good news and where you are partially correct is that they don’t inspire awe among the American troops that it will take to defeat them.

E9RET on September 18, 2014 at 2:44 PM