Key Democrat: We are ‘going to war,’ so Obama must ask Congress for approval

posted at 4:41 pm on September 9, 2014 by Noah Rothman

An interesting dynamic is beginning to develop in the Congress. While many Republicans have indicated that they would welcome a decision by President Barack Obama to seek congressional authorization for the use of force against ISIS (Sen. James Inhofe (R-OK) will introduce just such an authorization on Tuesday), many have indicated that they do not think it is necessary. Some Democrats are, however, making it clear that Obama needs to come to Congress with a plan.

House Intelligence Committee member and key Democratic Rep. Adam Schiff joined CNN’s Wolf Blitzer on Tuesday where he expressed his concerns most plainly. He said that what Obama is preparing to do is not a “contingency operation” or a “kinetic military action.” No, what the President of the United States is preparing to ask the country to do is to prepare for a “war,” and a long one at that. Schiff told Blitzer that it is a “constitutional necessity” for Obama to seek congressional approval for such an action.

“We are really going to war,” Schiff said. “When the president talks about taking the offense against ISIS, what we’re really saying is we’re engaged in a long-term military campaign.”

“This is something that we have a constitutional obligation to take up, to vote, and to authorize,” he added. Schiff also said that the legal authority the White House cites as its justification for stakes,, the protection of American assets in Iraq, is defunct. “We’ve moved well beyond the protection of American personnel in Erbil or Baghdad,” he asserted.

Blitzer noted that Obama is unlikely to seek such a fraught vote in the Congress. Schiff agreed, but noted that the legislative branch is “not some suitor that has to wait to be asked to the dance.”

“We can take this up, should take this up, in Congress,” Schiff insisted.

The president and his administration members have repeatedly suggested that they would like to have Congress “buy in” to the proposed action against ISIS, which could mean approving funding for that operation or some other form of consent.

“My guess is that the president would like nothing more,” Schiff later said, “then to have the [Congress] ratify in an authorization his ability to use force in these circumstances, but until he gets a sense that that’s really doable, he doesn’t want to completely rely on that. He’s not going to want to take the position that that’s fully necessary.”

Schiff appeared to understand the political necessity of the White House’s decision to adopt that position, but he clearly expressed reservations about a tacit sanctioning of anti-ISIS operations through a funding bill or a nonbinding resolution which would implicitly back an open-ended campaign against this terrorist group anywhere in the world.

It was not all that long ago that Hillary Clinton lost the Democratic presidential nomination behind a vote to authorize a war. Democrats recall that lesson vividly, and many will be cautious about signing on to what may become a long struggle which may eventually necessitate the use of ground troops.


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First, create an enemy from scratch.

Arm him, train him, and fund him.

Turn him lose on the world.

Then rush in and sacrifice a few thousand Americans over the bankers and arms merchants’ balance sheets.

Rinse.

Repeat.

Akzed on September 9, 2014 at 4:46 PM

Hmmm, interesting…..we have a Democrat who is saying this.

Has this guy spoken to Peter King, because he’s saying the
President can do whatever the hell he wants…Gee, I’m glad
the Dems have all the crazies….

ToddPA on September 9, 2014 at 4:51 PM

It was not all that long ago that Hillary Clinton lost the Democratic presidential nomination behind a vote to authorize a war. Democrats recall that lesson vividly, and many will be cautious about singing on to what may become a long struggle which may eventually necessitate the use of ground troops.

In short, a potential vote by Congress on approving needed military action against ISIS could be in limbo thanks to a bunch of leftist kooks within the Democrat Party’s voting base. Totes cool.

Aizen on September 9, 2014 at 4:52 PM

If Obama goes to war, It’ll be the Freshman against the Jayvees.

portlandon on September 9, 2014 at 4:52 PM

Schadenfreude, pure!!!

Akinitis is rampant in the D-latrine.

Schadenfreude on September 9, 2014 at 4:53 PM

The far left is mad, mad, mad at the injun scumhag from Mass. for being at war with the savages.

Schadenfreude on September 9, 2014 at 4:53 PM

Watching Utopia blow up in the sozi/commie faces is truly the ultimate in schadenfreude.

Schadenfreude on September 9, 2014 at 4:54 PM

Democrats recall that lesson vividly, and many will be cautious about singing on to what may become a long struggle which may eventually necessitate the use of ground troops.

We could spray the entire ME with nerve gas.

SSSSPPPPPPPPSSSSSSSTTTTT…..

Outside of that, soldiers will be in combat. The question is……whose soldiers?

Now that Barry has drawn a redline by saying no Americans on the ground, ask yourself this question:

“As the head of state of country XXX, the US has asked me to provide soldiers to fight on the ground against ISIS, and has also said they would not be sending any soldiers. Do they think I’m stupid?

“No US troops, no country XXX troops, either.”

Obama = Tactical genius, thinks he can win a war by voting “present”

BobMbx on September 9, 2014 at 4:56 PM

Don’t look now but this war talk may just help the dems come November.

bgibbs1000 on September 9, 2014 at 4:56 PM

This is part two of the plan.

On Wednesday Obama act really tough.

Dems in Congress (along with a few Repubs) says he has to go to Congress for this.

Stall.

Obama whines that he tried to do the right thing.

This is a ruse coming up.

Be prepared for it.

Walter L. Newton on September 9, 2014 at 4:58 PM

MeanWhile,…on the House Floor:

US Army Sgt. Bergdahl freed
14m

House now voting on a resolution condemning President Obama for not giving Congress 30 days notice before authorizing the Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl swap – @frankthorpNBC

https://twitter.com/frankthorpNBC

canopfor on September 9, 2014 at 4:58 PM

All these democrats eager for war will, in two years, flip in an instant if there is a republican in the White House.

If the thing [i]doesn’t pass[/i] Obama has the perfect excuse to not do anything because the republicans wouldn’t let him.

Joseph OHenry on September 9, 2014 at 4:59 PM

I agree. The President needs authorization

MoreLiberty on September 9, 2014 at 4:59 PM

“We are really going to war,” Schiff said. “When the president talks about taking the offense against ISIS, what we’re really saying is we’re engaged in a long-term military campaign.”
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From a Libs Lips,….WAR,….interesting!!!!

canopfor on September 9, 2014 at 5:01 PM

Get both sides on the record!!

canopfor on September 9, 2014 at 5:02 PM

Barack Obama
4m
President Obama’s meeting with Congressional leaders lasts about 70 minutes; none of the leaders came to the press stakeout to comment – @markknoller

https://twitter.com/markknoller

canopfor on September 9, 2014 at 5:03 PM

MeanWhile,…on the House Floor,..Part Deux:
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US Army Sgt. Bergdahl freed
1m
House votes to condemn President Obama over Taliban prisoner swap, 249-163 – @thehill
Read more on thehill.com

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/217156-house-votes-to-condemn-obama-over-taliban-prisoner-swap

canopfor on September 9, 2014 at 5:07 PM

Naw naw, it’s a troop deployment under a managed contingency operation. Silly man.

jake49 on September 9, 2014 at 5:08 PM

The debate on War Powers is an old one.

Congress, outraged at Theodore Roosevelt’s plan to send the Navy to the Philippines at the beginning of the Spanish-American War, cut off funding. TR replied that he had already dispatched the Navy to Manila, but if Congress desired them to return they would have to appropriate the money.

~~

Certainly a President can take action for a time without Congress, everyone acknowledges that. Even the unconstitutional War Powers Act gives him a 90-day window before requiring congressional action.

And ISIS is not a state, so the idea of a “declaration,” so beloved and worshiped by libertarians, is an anachronism.

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Just because we have the worst President in 150 years or maybe ever doesn’t diminish his authority.

Thanks to those who stayed home because McCain and Romney weren’t pure enough for them. This clown boy is on your heads.

Adjoran on September 9, 2014 at 5:11 PM

canopfor on September 9, 2014 at 5:01 PM

I’m as astonished as you, my northern friend. I had no idea that Democrats could even say ‘war’ unless it had “on women” following it.

thatsafactjack on September 9, 2014 at 5:11 PM

Love him or hate him, he was right…

‘I know some in Washington would like us to start leaving Iraq now. To begin withdrawing before our commanders tell us we are ready would be dangerous for Iraq, for the region, and for the United States. It would mean surrendering the future of Iraq to al Qaeda. It would mean that we’d be risking mass killings on a horrific scale. It would mean we’d allow the terrorists to establish a safe haven in Iraq to replace the one they lost in Afghanistan. It would mean increasing the probability that American troops would have to return at some later date to confront an enemy that is even more dangerous.’

– President George W Bush, 2007

Resist We Much on September 9, 2014 at 5:19 PM

Since we’re going get the ROE out front on page 1.I was in 3 with our hands tied.If there has to be killing let them kill.

docflash on September 9, 2014 at 5:19 PM

He abruptly ended the interview after realizing he was talking to Issa ISIS.

Christien on September 9, 2014 at 5:20 PM

I had no idea that Democrats could even say ‘war’ unless it had “on women” following it.

thatsafactjack

“on hunger”
“on drugs”
“on want”
“on high taxes” Sry, day dreaming

“On racists”
“On rapists”

add additional ones as you see fit.

E9RET on September 9, 2014 at 5:20 PM

canopfor on September 9, 2014 at 5:01 PM

I’m as astonished as you, my northern friend. I had no idea that Democrats could even say ‘war’ unless it had “on women” following it.

thatsafactjack on September 9, 2014 at 5:11 PM

thatsafactjack: Good to see ya,..lol, no kidding,
and the MidTerms are around the
corner!

I can imagine DNC Debbie is having a meltdown
over this———–:)

canopfor on September 9, 2014 at 5:21 PM

War on unemployment

Schadenfreude on September 9, 2014 at 5:22 PM

Leftism is a global cancer

Therefore, one can easily imagine the historical process described by Marx going in reverse. In today’s labor market, where there are still twice as many job seekers as job openings, the constant conservative carping about the “dignity of work” sounds more jarring and vindictive by the day.

As someone with a nice, stimulating job, I agree that work can help people flourish. But in an economy that is flatly failing to produce enough jobs to satisfy the need, a universal basic income will start to seem more plausible — even necessary.

Schadenfreude on September 9, 2014 at 5:23 PM

I am 100% for the war, but only if it completely eradicates radial islam, and if they want to gripe about it, islam in it’s totality.

Diluculo on September 9, 2014 at 5:24 PM

*radical islam

Diluculo on September 9, 2014 at 5:24 PM

It’s another financial stimulus emergency spending plan. Both sides want some more pork to burn through and any reason is good enough. That they are even arguing over voting for it is a new trend.

DanMan on September 9, 2014 at 5:25 PM

Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant
2m

Aide of House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, on meeting with President Obama about Islamic State: ‘It is in the best interests of the United States and our allies to put in place a strategy that rises to the challenge of the threat we face, and takes the fight directly to ISIL in a decisive fashion’ – statement

http://www.breakingnews.com/

canopfor on September 9, 2014 at 5:32 PM

Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant
2m

Aide of House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, on meeting with President Obama about Islamic State: ‘It is in the best interests of the United States and our allies to put in place a strategy that rises to the challenge of the threat we face, and takes the fight directly to ISIL in a decisive fashion’ – statement

http://www.breakingnews.com/

canopfor on September 9, 2014 at 5:32 PM

canopfor on September 9, 2014 at 5:33 PM

https://twitter.com/jeneps

Jennifer Epstein @jeneps · 1m

Nothing on Syria airstrikes or details of paying for ISIL fight in readout from an aide to Speaker Boehner

Replied to 0 times

Jennifer Epstein @jeneps · 3m

“The Speaker expressed support for certain options that have been proposed by the president,” incl training Iraqi forces & aiding Syria mods

Replied to 0 times

Jennifer Epstein @jeneps · 1m

Aide to Boehner on WH mtg: Obama used it in part to lay “out some of the ideas he has already discussed publicly” on ISIL

canopfor on September 9, 2014 at 5:34 PM

Mark Knoller @markknoller · 1m

Boehner would support Pres Obama if he deploys US military to train & advise Iraqi Security Forces and assist targeting of ISIL leadership.

Replied to 0 times

Mark Knoller @markknoller · 1m

Aide says @SpeakerBoehner told Pres Obama that US national objective must be to defeat and destroy ISIL.

https://twitter.com/markknoller

canopfor on September 9, 2014 at 5:35 PM

Thanks to those who stayed home because McCain and Romney weren’t pure enough for them. This clown boy is on your heads.

Adjoran on September 9, 2014 at 5:11 PM

And you can just bite it. Twice.

It wasn’t conservatives who lost the last 2 elections, and it wasn’t conservatives who stayed home.

It was you squishy generic cultural GOP middle-of-the-roaders who stayed at home on the couch, and 2 ineffectual crappy campaigners who got the nomination and still couldn’t manage to make your own GOPe Bubbas get out and vote.

Remember that failed GOTV project of Mitt’s? Getting out the vote only works for the low-info types who are only marginally interested to the issues and have just some mild affinity for the party.

NOT a description of fiscal or social conservatives. We cared: we voted. And we’ve been vilified ever since. Way to cinch our party loyalty, GOPers.

Dolce Far Niente on September 9, 2014 at 5:35 PM

Iraq crisis
53s
More: Aide says House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, would support President Obama if he deploys military to help train Iraqi Security Forces – statement

canopfor on September 9, 2014 at 5:37 PM

ISIS is an Iranian puppet organization.

ValJar won’t let her puppet Obi do any major damage to ISIS.

Gunlock Bill on September 9, 2014 at 5:40 PM

Yes, because political necessity over-rules Constitutional necessity every time.

MistyLane on September 9, 2014 at 5:51 PM

Iraq crisis
12m

House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., on meeting with President Obama: ‘The meeting provided a valuable opportunity for consultation on advancing security and stability in the region and beyond’ – @NancyPelosi

canopfor on September 9, 2014 at 6:01 PM

ROLL CALL:

FINAL VOTE RESULTS FOR ROLL CALL 485
(Republicans in roman; Democrats in italic; Independents underlined)

H RES 644 YEA-AND-NAY 9-Sep-2014 4:55 PM
QUESTION: On Agreeing to the Resolution

BILL TITLE:

Condemning the Obama administration’s failure to comply with the lawful statutory requirement to notify Congress before releasing individuals detained at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and expressing national security concerns over the release of five Taliban leaders and the repercussions of negotiating with terrorists

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2014/roll485.xml

canopfor on September 9, 2014 at 6:09 PM

I’m actually agreeing with a dem

cmsinaz on September 9, 2014 at 6:13 PM

Thanks to those who stayed home because McCain and Romney weren’t pure enough for them. This clown boy is on your heads.

Adjoran on September 9, 2014 at 5:11 PM

get a better candidate

burserker on September 9, 2014 at 6:16 PM

Don’t Need No Authority:

https://twitter.com/AP

The Associated Press @AP · 24m

MORE: White House says Obama has told lawmakers he has necessary authority to act against Islamic State group: http://apne.ws/1lUa5Nt

The Associated Press @AP · 35m

BREAKING: White House says Obama has authority he needs to take action against Islamic State group.

canopfor on September 9, 2014 at 6:18 PM

https://twitter.com/martinmatishak

Martin Matishak @martinmatishak · 2m

Dems wary of Iraq mission creep await Obama’s address | TheHill http://thehill.com/policy/defense/217178-dems-wary-of-iraq-mission-await-obamas-address#.VA96h_jpeSc.twitter … via @TheHill
View summary

Retweeted by Martin Matishak
Kristina Wong @kristina_wong · 4m

Dems wary of #Iraq mission creep holding breath for Obama | By @kristina_wong and @MartinMatishak http://thehill.com/policy/defense/217178-dems-wary-of-iraq-mission-await-obamas-address#.VA95UBvYyhs.twitter … via @TheHill

canopfor on September 9, 2014 at 6:27 PM

Thanks to those who stayed home because McCain and Romney weren’t pure enough for them. This clown boy is on your heads.

Adjoran on September 9, 2014 at 5:11 PM

get a better candidate

burserker on September 9, 2014 at 6:16 PM

O’bama thanks you for your vote!

The reason the Democrats win is because they hold their noses and vote for their party’s candidates, no matter whether or not they think their party could have run “a better candidate”.

In 2012, Romney won the Independent vote running away. McCain did not do that in 2008. So by staying home, like millions of other selfish and stupid Republicans did, you elected O’bama to a second term. The results of your small-mindedness will last long after O’bama is gone, too (see “Supreme Court nominations”).

All I can say to you Republicans who stayed home in 2012 is…

F-

Del Dolemonte on September 9, 2014 at 6:27 PM

But of course canopfor…..

All hail dear leader

cmsinaz on September 9, 2014 at 6:27 PM

White House Vetted “Moderate” Syrian Rebel Group Obama May Use To Fight ISIS Says His Group “Likes” Al-Qaeda And Fights Alongside Them Resist We Much on September 9, 2014 at 5:41 PM

The Islamic State is al-Qaeda. -Andy McCarthy

“On 7/3/79, six months before the Soviets invaded Afghanistan, Carter signed a finding to help the mujahedin covertly. It authorized support for propaganda and other psychological ops in Afghanistan… The USSR massively intervened on 12/24/79, the small covert op of about a half a million dollars, within a year grew to tens of millions.” -Robert Gates, From The Shadows (1996)

Akzed on September 9, 2014 at 6:41 PM

White House Vetted “Moderate” Syrian Rebel Group Obama May Use To Fight ISIS Says His Group “Likes” Al-Qaeda And Fights Alongside Them

Akzed on September 9, 2014 at 6:53 PM

“On 7/3/79, six months before the Soviets invaded Afghanistan, Carter signed a finding to help the mujahedin covertly. It authorized support for propaganda and other psychological ops in Afghanistan… The USSR massively intervened on 12/24/79, the small covert op of about a half a million dollars, within a year grew to tens of millions.” -Robert Gates, From The Shadows (1996)

Akzed on September 9, 2014 at 6:41 PM

The CIA’s role in laying the foundations of Al Qaeda is confirmed in an 1998 interview with Zbigniew Brzezinski, who at the time was National Security Adviser to President Jimmy Carter:

Brzezinski: According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahideen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, [on] 24 December 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise. Indeed, it was July 3, 1979, that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the President in which I explained to him that in my opinion, this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.

Question: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into war and looked to provoke it?

Brzezinski: It isn’t quite that. We didn’t push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.

Question: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn’t believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don’t regret anything today?

Brzezinski: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter. We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam War. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.

Question: And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic fundamentalism, having given arms and advice to future terrorists?

Brzezinski: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the Cold War?

( “The CIA’s Intervention in Afghanistan, Interview with Zbigniew Brzezinski, President Jimmy Carter’s National Security Adviser”, Le Nouvel Observateur, Paris, 15-21 January 1998, published in English, Centre for Research on Globalisation, http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BRZ110A.html, 5 October 2001, italics added.)

Resist We Much on September 9, 2014 at 6:59 PM

Revealed: U.S. has been secretly training Syrian rebels in anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons for months
posted at 2:31 pm on June 21, 2013 by Allahpundit

And now here comes the LA Times with breaking news:

CIA operatives and U.S. special operations troops have been secretly training Syrian rebels with anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons since late last year, months before President Obama approved plans to begin directly arming them, according to U.S. officials and rebel commanders…

The two-week courses include training with Russian-designed 14.5-millimeter anti-tank rifles, anti-tank missiles, as well as 23-millimeter anti-aircraft weapons, according to a rebel commander in the Syrian province of Dara who helps oversee weapons acquisitions and who asked his name not be used because the program is secret…

The rebels were promised enough armor-piercing anti-tank weapons and other arms to gain a military advantage over Assad’s better-equipped army and security forces, said the Dara commander.

But arms shipments from Qatar, Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries, provided with assent from the Americans, took months to arrive and included less than the rebels had expected.

Akzed on September 9, 2014 at 7:10 PM

The Associated Press @AP · 2m

BREAKING: Fiji says Syrian insurgents agree to release 45 UN peacekeepers this week without conditions.

https://twitter.com/AP

canopfor on September 9, 2014 at 7:16 PM

Resist We Much on September 9, 2014 at 6:59 PM

Man, thank you. I have posted that stuff ten times and no one has had the bolls to comment pro or con. I guess your name is now mud hereabouts too.

I saw video last week (I prolly could find it if not for Tanqueray®) of Zbiggy Stardust in Afghanistan addressing the mujahedeen (baby Al Qaeda) telling them “God is on your side” etc. I don’t know if they even understood English. They looked like a bunch of chimps watching a man do calculus on a whiteboard.

Akzed on September 9, 2014 at 7:21 PM

He has that approval already in the AUMF-2001, if he wishes to use it –
and save Congress from itself.

Another Drew on September 9, 2014 at 7:56 PM

He has that approval already in the AUMF-2001, if he wishes to use it – and save Congress from itself. Another Drew on September 9, 2014 at 7:56 PM

Huh?! I thought he was all about acting on his own when congress refuses to act! Somehow I don’t think that Presnot 0b00ba has no intention of saving congress from itself, except insofar as it helps to spread the blame and save him from himself – at least in his own little mind.

Akzed on September 9, 2014 at 7:59 PM

What a mess, huh? The president tried to attack Assad by helping the very people he supposedly wants to “degrade” now, but Americans put on the brakes, and rightly so.

Even though Americans now support attacking ISIS, now that we know who they are, the congress is fearful about it. They won’t want to go on record, because they can imagine the series of Benghazis that Obama is likely to precipitate, and how that will affect their electability. This is true on both sides, but worse for the “stop this endless war” Democrats.

So, congress would prefer to be left out of this one, even as everyone can see that Obama does in fact need their agreement. It’s baloney that the president can act alone, in anything significant – golfing is the only thing he can do alone!

My bet is he will run out the clock so that the election happens before he commits his legacy to more adventures. Even then, he’s more likely to sit on his hands and hope the ball bounces his way.

virgo on September 10, 2014 at 1:59 PM