Kay Hagan: Look, I didn’t realize people would lose their health plans ’til a few months ago

posted at 1:21 pm on September 4, 2014 by Guy Benson

During last night’s North Carolina Senate Debate, incumbent Sen. Kay Hagan responded to criticism over her obliterated ‘keep your plan‘ Obamacare pledge by claiming she didn’t hear about cancellations until “last fall:”

“As soon as this came to my attention last fall…”

Step one: Blame insurers, who were forced to cancel plans that failed to comply with Obamacare, the law for which Kay Hagan furnished the deciding vote. Step two: Claim that those millions of cancellation letters fell from the sky, as if no one had predicted them. Step three: Try to claim credit for a bill that never became law because Harry Reid wouldn’t even permit a vote on it. (Fun fact: Hagan has never been a primary sponsor on any piece of legislation that went on to become law). Instead, betrayed consumers had to rely on a frantic executive rule change that was rejected by a number of state insurance commissioners because the die had already been cast.  But here is a short, devastating passage from an October 2013 CNN story that exposes Hagan’s ‘I didn’t realize’ deception:

Senate Democrats voted unanimously three years ago to support the Obamacare rule that is largely responsible for some of the health insurance cancellation letters that are going out. In September 2010, Senate Republicans brought a resolution to the floor to block implementation of the grandfather rule, warning that it would result in canceled policies and violate President Barack Obama’s promise that people could keep their insurance if they liked it…On a party line vote, Democrats killed the resolution, which could come back to haunt vulnerable Democrats up for re-election this year. Senate Democrats like Mary Landrieu, Jeanne Shaheen, Mark Pryor, Kay Hagan and Mark Begich – all of whom voted against stopping the rule from going into effect and have since supported delaying parts of Obamacare.

Hagan didn’t just vote for the provision that triggered mass cancellations; when Republicans offered a resolution to spare consumers from that rule’s consequences, Hagan voted in lock step with her fellow Democrats to bury it.  She was warned explicitly about this issue at the time and chose to side with Barack Obama and Harry Reid against North Carolinians.  (Hagan votes with Obama 96 percent of the time).  And now, she’s trying to cover her ass by shamelessly lying about her actions, just as she shamelessly and repeatedly lied to citizens by telling them they’d be able to retain their preferred health coverage under Obamacare.  Republican nominee Thom Tillis needs to hold Hagan’s feet to the fire on this bogus excuse.  The CNN story excerpted above is a smoking gun.  While we’re on the subject of shameless Obamacare-related lies and smoking guns, check out this story in today’s Denver Post:

Republican operatives believe they have found a smoking gun against Democratic U.S. Sen. Mark Udall, who said during a 2008 debate he was against a “government-sponsored” solution for health care. The then-congressman, who was running for an open seat in the U.S. Senate, echoed arguments made by conservatives. “I’m not for a government-sponsored solution,” Udall said. “I’m for enhancing and improving the employer-based system that we have.” In a debate overshadowed by other issues — rising energy prices and the war on terror — Udall’s answer that July barely created a ripple. But in the context of Sen. Udall’s vote for the Affordable Care Act in 2010 and his tough re-election bid against Republican Congressman Cory Gardner in November, the statement takes on new meaning…”Mark Udall was elected on a lie,” Gardner said. “Mark Udall promised he would not support a government-sponsored solution and he broke that promise and voted for Obamacare.” Udall’s campaign says if Republicans believe they have found a smoking gun, they’re simply shooting themselves in the foot because Obamacare is not government-run health care. “They are grasping at straws,” Udall spokeswoman Kristin Lynch said.

Um, Udall told voters he would oppose government-sponsored healthcare solutions, and Obamacare clearly fits that bill.  Team Udall can parse whether or not the new law is technically tantamount to government-run healthcare (it’s undeniably an unprecedented federal intrusion into the healthcare markets, with the government micromanaging the “private” market like never before, and requiring every citizen to buy a product), but that misdirection won’t change the fact that he vowed not to support a government-sponsored regime.  During the Obamacare debate, Udall endorsed a so-called “public option,” an even more explicit form of government-sponsored healthcare. Oops.  His 2008 answer also committed to “enhancing and improving” the employer-based system.  How’s that working out?  The Obama administration’s internal projections anticipated that 93 million Americans would be displaced from their existing coverage under Obamacare, with a key architect of the law bragging that the employer-based system is being destroyed:

“Analysts predict [Obamacare] will be the end of employer-provided insurance, with former Obama adviser Zeke Emanuel writing that 80 percent of such plans will disappear within ten years.”

Emanuel insists that the implosion of the employer-based system will be “better for people.” In fairness, some conservative policy wonks have been seeking to transition away from the employer-based system for some time, in order to make health coverage portable and enhance cost-controlling competition — but none of that nuance was anywhere to be found in Democrats’ Obamacare sales pitch. The public was assured over and over again by people like Hagan and Udall that they could keep their plans. Period.  That promise has been, and will continue to be, exposed as absolutely false.  Polling indicates that roughly twice as many Americans say they’ve been personally hurt by Obamacare than helped, with most people responding that they haven’t been affected. Let’s see how the numbers on that last category move as employer-provided plans start to vanish.


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Do liars always succeed?

albill on September 4, 2014 at 1:23 PM

Should have read the bill before forcing it through Congress using every trick in the book.

Flange on September 4, 2014 at 1:24 PM

Clearly then, Kay Hagan is too ignorant and ill-informed to be holding a public office.

Reason enough to vote for her opponent.

AZCoyote on September 4, 2014 at 1:24 PM

She is either a liar or too stupid to hold public office.

redware on September 4, 2014 at 1:25 PM

Oh come on Kay!!

You can do better than that pathetic lying!!

Time to start saying Republicans are dragging women around
by their hair!!

ToddPA on September 4, 2014 at 1:25 PM

Yeah, this is just like 2010 Tea Gabber wave!!

Ned Pepper on September 3, 2014 at 9:50 PM

Schadenfreude on September 4, 2014 at 1:26 PM

Do liars always succeed?

albill on September 4, 2014 at 1:23 PM

No. Just most of the time.

Rusty Nail on September 4, 2014 at 1:26 PM

But these Obamacare posts are about whistling past the graveyard, by next Novemeber Democrats will be openly running on the ACA. Mark my words.

libfreeordie on December 20, 2013 at 10:14 AM

Nothing to see here..

Only fearmongering and scaring the populace

Ned Pepper on August 11, 2014 at 12:46 PM

Thank you, President Obama!

Ned Pepper on August 11, 2014 at 3:47 PM

Actually Obama’s azz is a pretty safe place to be.

Ned Pepper on August 11, 2014 at 4:36 PM

When premiums decline y’all are going to be pissed!

libfreeordie on May 7, 2014 at 10:18 AM

Schadenfreude on September 4, 2014 at 1:28 PM

All together now.

Wave your BS flag.

<>>

glwhisler on September 4, 2014 at 1:28 PM

Sometimes it becomes crysral clear that the real problem around here and similar forums is that you guys really aren’t very smart.

everdiso on April 29, 2014 at 4:27 PM

Shhhhh…..we don’t talk about obamacare around here anymore.

everdiso on July 22, 2014 at 1:27 PM

I’ve never lost a debate here.

everdiso on June 13, 2014 at 2:27 PM

ROFLMAO….yeah your win/loss record was so awesome you had to change your username from lester to everdiso. Oh wait, you were banned. Prolly cause you were winning so many debates.

HumpBot Salvation on June 13, 2014 at 2:39 PM

#smartpower

everdiso on August 21, 2014 at 3:13 PM

Schadenfreude on September 4, 2014 at 1:28 PM

Kay Hagan and the Shaheen scumhag are getting nervous.

Landrieu is already Blanche Lincolned.

Schadenfreude on September 4, 2014 at 1:29 PM

Did she find out about it from the news??

t on September 4, 2014 at 1:30 PM

No worries, the GOP will repeal this government overreach….heh.

d1carter on September 4, 2014 at 1:32 PM

Shes all yours dems

cmsinaz on September 4, 2014 at 1:33 PM

They’re all evil scumbags. Every last one of them.

The Republicans may be frightened little weenies, but most of them aren’t blatantly evil. Stupid? Yes. Scared? Duplicitous? Yes. But, except for a couple, not outright evil. Democrats are.

MTF on September 4, 2014 at 1:33 PM

She is a lying psack.

faraway on September 4, 2014 at 1:33 PM

War On Women!

kcewa on September 4, 2014 at 1:36 PM

Schadenfreude on September 4, 2014 at 1:28 PM

*tweet!*

Foul!

Unnecessary roughness by Schadenfreude.

Fifteen yards and loss of down.

(I left you a beer fifteen yards down the field – well done)

turfmann on September 4, 2014 at 1:36 PM

Heh, turfmann, thanks for the beer.

Schadenfreude on September 4, 2014 at 1:41 PM

So she voted to pass the bill and still didn’t read it.

MarkT on September 4, 2014 at 1:41 PM

Since when has lying been a negative for Demorats? Start at the top and work down and you will find that it is the everyday operating standard for ALL Demorats. obama, biden, hillary, kerry, holder, hagle, reid, pelosi and the heads of all of the federal agencies like the IRS, ATF, CIA, HSA, TSA and NSA. Think of that folks. Is there ONE single agency that you would turn over info to that might save our nation if it involved a high ranking Demorat?

inspectorudy on September 4, 2014 at 1:47 PM

‘Reelect me and I will continue to vote for bills that I don’t read!’

Resist We Much on September 4, 2014 at 1:49 PM

Shocka!

We gave stupid, lying,self-serving pols?

You don’t say…..

‘Kay, you ignorant slut….’

BTW, “The net increase in the number of employed working-age adults in North Carolina has gone entirely to legal and illegal immigrants since 2000, according to an analysis of government data conducted by the Center for Immigration Studies.”

Of course, this is a surprise as well./

Cody1991 on September 4, 2014 at 1:50 PM

…the law for which Kay Hagan furnished the deciding vote.

Let’s see…the Senate does a roll call vote in alphabetical order. Unless Kay Hagan didn’t make the first call, she wasn’t the “deciding vote” on anything.

Newtie and the Beauty on September 4, 2014 at 1:50 PM

Schadenfreude on September 4, 2014 at 1:26 PM

I KNEW that would come in handy! And you use it so well, too… ;-)

Newtie and the Beauty on September 4, 2014 at 1:52 PM

Either Lying or Stupid… not good for getting votes.

socalcon on September 4, 2014 at 1:54 PM

Let’s see…the Senate does a roll call vote in alphabetical order. Unless Kay Hagan didn’t make the first call, she wasn’t the “deciding vote” on anything.

Newtie and the Beauty on September 4, 2014 at 1:50 PM

Idiotic sophistry.

Of course she was the deciding vote. Had she voted against this tyranny, it would not have passed.

MTF on September 4, 2014 at 1:54 PM

She is either a liar or too stupid to hold public office.

redware on September 4, 2014 at 1:25 PM

Lying or too stupid aren’t good enough reasons. They have to actually sell rocket launchers from muslim terrorists to the FBI to get them out of office. But no guarantees!

Fenris on September 4, 2014 at 1:55 PM

WAR ON WOMEN!
HATE SPEECH!!
#BRINGBACKOURGIRLS!!!

… or something…

dpduq on September 4, 2014 at 1:55 PM

Let’s see…the Senate does a roll call vote in alphabetical order. Unless Kay Hagan didn’t make the first call, she wasn’t the “deciding vote” on anything. Newtie and the Beauty on September 4, 2014 at 1:50 PM

There are all kinds of procedural votes and whipping etc that determine who’s on board at certain times. Holdouts are usually trying to sell their vote for other considerations.

Akzed on September 4, 2014 at 1:59 PM

This needs to be put in an ad and run until November.

Why Republicans put out crappy campaign ads (Land in MI Senate race this year for example) is beyond me. She has handed Tillis a huge softball. Now hit it out of the park. How hard is this?

jjjdad on September 4, 2014 at 2:03 PM

#UpToYouNCarolina.
B’Day boy here.

docflash on September 4, 2014 at 2:03 PM

Newtie and the Beauty on September 4, 2014 at 1:50 PM

For something that takes 60 votes, and 60 votes is what it gets, every vote for, is the deciding vote.

cozmo on September 4, 2014 at 2:04 PM

What’s wrong with you people in North Carolina? Vote her out please.

warmairfan on September 4, 2014 at 2:06 PM

Of course she was the deciding vote. Had she voted against this tyranny, it would not have passed.
MTF on September 4, 2014 at 1:54 PM

There are all kinds of procedural votes and whipping etc that determine who’s on board at certain times. Holdouts are usually trying to sell their vote for other considerations.
Akzed on September 4, 2014 at 1:59 PM

For something that takes 60 votes, and 60 votes is what it gets, every vote for, is the deciding vote.
cozmo on September 4, 2014 at 2:04 PM

I yield!

Darn this literal frame of mind thing…

Newtie and the Beauty on September 4, 2014 at 2:07 PM

She is either a liar or too stupid to hold public office.

redware on September 4, 2014 at 1:25 PM

It’s not necessarily an either/or choice.

HumpBot Salvation on September 4, 2014 at 2:07 PM

Ironically, the Left often decries that lack of representation of minorities (wymyn included).

Yet, the examples they hold up are like Hagan, DWS, Shaheen, Pulosi, Sheila Lee, Boxer/Feinstein, That moron that thought the island of Guam would tip over due to too much development on one side… sheesh, its absolutely incredible!

socalcon on September 4, 2014 at 2:07 PM

These slimy-ass politicians are just too much. Anybody that trusts them or believes them deserves whatever fate befalls them.

rplat on September 4, 2014 at 2:08 PM

Thank you in advance, Mr Benson, for moving my comment from Moderation Island onto the thread! :-D

Newtie and the Beauty on September 4, 2014 at 2:13 PM

‘Reelect me and I will continue to vote for bills that I don’t read!’

Resist We Much on September 4, 2014 at 1:49 PM

That really seems to be her strategy… I guess she and I have different views on how people feel about gross incompetence.

Maybe she’s right and her State really really loves incompetence and wouldn’t consider electing anyone with the ability to do the job.

I’m not sure I’d have bet MY job on people loving incompetence… but that’s just me I guess.

gekkobear on September 4, 2014 at 2:16 PM

Let’s see…the Senate does a roll call vote in alphabetical order. Unless Kay Hagan didn’t make the first call, she wasn’t the “deciding vote” on anything.

Newtie and the Beauty on September 4, 2014 at 1:50 PM

She voted yes? And it passed… correct?
IF she had voted no, would it have passed?

So by changing just her vote, would that change whether or not it passed?

What do you think “deciding vote” means again?

If changing just her vote would change the outcome, doesn’t that indicate her vote “decided’ something?

gekkobear on September 4, 2014 at 2:19 PM

Golly, I wanted to see the article to go on down to Virginia, and nail Senator Mark Warner on his ‘you can keep your plan, you can keep your doctor’ video that was squirreled away.
Someone who has an ‘in’ should point out to Ed Gillespie & crew that Senator Warner is just as guilty as the others. He may not have claimed to have ‘just learned’, but he’s ducking the issue successfully so far.
tom

tomw on September 4, 2014 at 2:23 PM

“Let’s see…the Senate does a roll call vote in alphabetical order. Unless Kay Hagan didn’t make the first call, she wasn’t the “deciding vote” on anything.

Newtie and the Beauty on September 4, 2014 at 1:50 PM”

Every vote cast by a Democrat was the deciding vote. If one of them had voted against the bill it would not have become law.

Kritikal on September 4, 2014 at 2:26 PM

Let’s see…the Senate does a roll call vote in alphabetical order. Unless Kay Hagan didn’t make the first call, she wasn’t the “deciding vote” on anything.

Newtie and the Beauty on September 4, 2014 at 1:50 PM

She voted yes? And it passed… correct?
IF she had voted no, would it have passed?

So by changing just her vote, would that change whether or not it passed?

What do you think “deciding vote” means again?

If changing just her vote would change the outcome, doesn’t that indicate her vote “decided’ something?

gekkobear on September 4, 2014 at 2:19 PM

It all depends. In this case, you’re probably right, they needed every vote. But usually they lie about their true positions for political convenience. The leadership only needs the number necessary to pass, or thereabouts. And of course, it’s complicated by various preliminary votes, and mind-numbingly self-serving statements like “I actually did vote for the $87 billion, before I voted against it.”

Fenris on September 4, 2014 at 2:27 PM

I could be wrong here but I could swear she got paid to know these things.

antipc on September 4, 2014 at 2:28 PM

Kay Hagan: Look, I didn’t realize people would lose their health plans ’til a few months ago

Well Gosh, maybe if you had READ THE BILL Before you voted for it…

jaydee_007 on September 4, 2014 at 2:30 PM

Let’s see…the Senate does a roll call vote in alphabetical order. Unless Kay Hagan didn’t make the first call, she wasn’t the “deciding vote” on anything.

Newtie and the Beauty on September 4, 2014 at 1:50 PM

She voted yes? And it passed… correct?

IF she had voted no, would it have passed?

NO – they had 60 votes and the Republicans Called for Quorum so it took exactly 60 to pass it.

So by changing just her vote, would that change whether or not it passed?

YES – again, they needed 60 votes to pass it.

What do you think “deciding vote” means again?

If changing just her vote would change the outcome, doesn’t that indicate her vote “decided’ something?

gekkobear on September 4, 2014 at 2:19 PM

You are Soooo Right gekkobear, the point was that EVERY Senator who voted for this nonsense is Responsible for its passage and cannot escape the fact that they own it.
Perhaps she should have Read the Bill BEFORE Voting for it.

jaydee_007 on September 4, 2014 at 2:39 PM

Hagen’s defense: The dog ate my plan to let people keep their insurance.

Or was it the dog-eater that ate it?

The mountains of lies have become too hard to keep track of.

Does she have a ‘former statement’ that she can ‘revert to’?

LOL

This would be a lot funnier if it were a Jimmy Fallon or SNL spoof. But since it is reality, it is kind of a downer.

s1im on September 4, 2014 at 2:40 PM

“I voted for it but I didn’t read it,” she finally admitted.

sadatoni on September 4, 2014 at 2:53 PM

Schadenfreude on September 4, 2014 at 1:28 PM

Never gets old, and they continually add to their stupidity on display.

++ Schad

Closet Optimist on September 4, 2014 at 2:54 PM

“Kay Hagan: Look, I didn’t realize people would lose their health plans ’til a few months ago”

So her defense is that she’s too stupid to be a Senator. At least she’s telling the truth for a change.

Asok Asus on September 4, 2014 at 3:11 PM

NORTH CAROLINA: DO YOUR DUTY!!

Khun Joe on September 4, 2014 at 3:21 PM

That’s because your either stupid, Kay, or you just tout the party line, without bothering to research the facts. In either case, you shouldn’t be in office. My guess would be that you would continue being an unquestioning Democrat Party loyalist, if you were reelected. That is unacceptable, because you represent the people of North Carolina, NOT the Democrat Party.

kjatexas on September 4, 2014 at 3:30 PM

Moral character missing among far too many.

MN J on September 4, 2014 at 3:42 PM

OOPS

Moral character missing among far too many politicians, particularly those on the regressive, democrat left. Thus lying becomes easy b/c in their minds, moral accountability is non-existent.

MN J on September 4, 2014 at 3:43 PM

LOLOLOL, Schadenfreude just absolutely destroying every dumb lib.

The Notorious G.O.P on September 4, 2014 at 3:51 PM

THE PRESIDENT: …
One thing, Jon, you shook your head when I said that people would be able to choose the better plan because the notion was, well, people are mandated. Actually, any insurance that you currently have would be grandfathered in so you could keep it. And so you could decide not to get in the exchange the better plan — I could keep my Acme insurance, just a high-deductible catastrophic plan — I would not be required to get the better one. If I chose to get the better one, it would be 14 to 20 percent cheaper than if I were going into the individual market. I just wanted to clarify that issue.

ITguy on September 4, 2014 at 3:55 PM

Look, I didn’t realize people would lose their health plans ’til a few months ago

Only two reasons for such a shamefully crappy excuse.

#1 You are incompetent.

#2 You were in on the lie.

Bmore on September 4, 2014 at 4:21 PM

She needs to find a bright, shiny object and quick.

307wolverine on September 4, 2014 at 4:40 PM

But the fact that about 40% of clueless Americans (probably including illegals since polls are always bogus to some degree) still approve of the lawless, fascist, treasonous White House obscenity shows that no-info voters control and doom us apart from God’s divine intervention, God save us. Surely He’s handed us over to our post-God Romans 1 delusions of godhood; may He continue to call folk to repentance by trusting in Jesus to be with Him forever in heaven. See http://www.hopeinGod.org for how.

russedav on September 4, 2014 at 6:05 PM

No posts since 1:52 Eastern? It’s 6:17 Eastern, by my clock

socalcon on September 4, 2014 at 6:17 PM

Bmore on September 4, 2014 at 4:21 PM

Each, an imminent threat to the republic.

socalcon on September 4, 2014 at 6:18 PM

TWO STATEMENTS ON THIS POST

1. A major question is will wimpy republicans be able to strongly articulate a case against Hagan, Prior, Landrieu, Udall, Shaheen, et al for the roles they willfully played or will they fail like Romney did to take the truth their opposition with “no political quarter” given?

2.

In fairness, some conservative policy wonks have been seeking to transition away from the employer-based system for some time, in order to make health coverage portable and enhance cost-controlling competition

This quote by Benson apparently refers to Paul Ryan’s piece in Forbes. Ryan is not a conservative. He’s an amnesty-loving, collectivist RINO who likes to brag about all the handouts he got from government and taxpayers that allowed him to get where he is. What Ryan is articulating is not free-market cost-lowering competition without forced plan coverages, no state monopolies and untaxed health care savings accounts that were supposedly being touted by conservative republicans prior to the 2012 election.

Falcon46 on September 4, 2014 at 6:35 PM

Even if she’s telling the truth, it’s not a good reason to keep her in office. We need leaders who aren’t clueless. If she’s lying, she ought to be run out on a rail.

flataffect on September 4, 2014 at 8:20 PM

They have more debates planned, and Tillis should pound her over the head with her lies and misrepresentations over this.

“North Carolina is a great and growing state with a constantly changing mix of people that keep us great and growing. People are open to other ideas, willing to be convinced of new things. But you have to be truthful when you are trying to convince them. Tarheels don’t like being lied to, misled, or manipulated.

“Kay Hagan not only lied to you about the effects of ObamaCare, she actively voted against solving some of the worst defects. Then she lied to us about her roles in all of it. How can we trust anything she tells us? We can’t. She just won’t tell the truth.”

GAME OVER

Adjoran on September 5, 2014 at 12:13 AM

If you didn’t know until recently, then you are either a fool or a liar, or both.

jacobim on September 6, 2014 at 6:37 PM