Moscow on abandoned ceasefire with Ukraine: What war with Ukraine?

posted at 11:41 am on September 3, 2014 by Noah Rothman

It was a confusing morning on the European front on Wednesday.

Early Wednesday morning, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko released a statement in which he announced a plan to seek a “permanent ceasefire” with Russia. The news came just prior to President Barack Obama’s joint address with the president of Estonia. Obama refused to comment on the ceasefire proposal, the details of which were largely unknown at that point. He did, however, express his support for a peace which results in Russia’s withdrawal from Ukrainian territory.

“No realistic political settlement can be achieved if effectively Russia says we are going to continue to send tanks and troops and arms and advisors under the guise of separatists, who are not home grown, and the only possible settlement is if Ukraine cedes its territory or its sovereignty,” Obama said. The president also announced his plan to send “additional air force units” to augment the Baltic states’ ability to police their own airspace.

“If confirmed, the ceasefire would represent a victory for the separatist forces, with Mr Poroshenko effectively conceding that he cannot win the war with military means,” The Telegraph’s Roland Oliphant reported.

Poroshenko’s office later asserted that they never sought an indefinite ceasefire with Russia, and the word “permanent” disappeared from a Ukrainian statement on the proposed cessation of hostilities. The pro-Russian rebels, which objected to any ceasefire negotiations that take place without their being party to the talks, rejected the already withdrawn proposal.

“The Russian-backed rebels rejected the move, saying no cease-fire was possible without Ukraine withdrawing its forces,” ABC News reported.

“As long as Ukrainian forces are on the territory of the Donetsk People’s Republic, there can be no ceasefire,” rebel official Vladislav Brig told The Associated Press.

With the aborted ceasefire proposal already functionally dead, Moscow revealed that it could not possibly accept a ceasefire with Ukraine. Why? Well, Russia is not fighting a war with Ukraine, of course.

“There is no confirmation of a ceasefire because Putin cannot agree (to) a ceasefire because he is not party to the conflict,” Dmitry Peskov, a spokesman for Russian President Vladimir Putin, told CNN. “What was agreed were steps that would lead to a ceasefire. The important thing is to bring an end to the bloodshed and to stop the firing. Everyone is trying to de-escalate the conflict.”

After a day of conflicting reports, the only thing that seems certain is that the fighting in the east of Ukraine will continue.


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Never thought I’d see the day where it’s easier to figure out the Russians intentions than our own.

LeftCoastRight on September 3, 2014 at 11:44 AM

It was a confusing morning on the European front on Wednesday

I never thought I would see a Lede like this in my lifetime…

Critic2029 on September 3, 2014 at 11:46 AM

“No realistic political settlement can be achieved if effectively Russia says we are going to continue to send tanks and troops and arms and advisors under the guise of separatists, who are not home grown, and the only possible settlement is if Ukraine cedes its territory or its sovereignty,” Obama said.

That sounds suspiciously like an “invasion”.

Funny how the administration doesn’t want to call it that.

Bitter Clinger on September 3, 2014 at 11:46 AM

Hey , o gets away with it every day
why not Putin .

Lucano on September 3, 2014 at 11:51 AM

Chaos reigns

faraway on September 3, 2014 at 11:52 AM

Moscow on abandoned ceasefire with Ukraine: What war with Ukraine?

Funny, that’s what Baghdad Obama says.

Sherman1864 on September 3, 2014 at 11:52 AM

The Jen Psaki method of diplomacy:

#LeaveUkraineAlone

Bitter Clinger on September 3, 2014 at 11:55 AM

Does anyone pay attention to what Dear Liar says anymore, except to mock him?

rbj on September 3, 2014 at 12:00 PM

Last week there were satiellite photos of Russian tanks in the Ukraine that Russia said were fakes. Somebody, not mentioning any names but us, should have blown up one or two of those fakes to see how Putin reacted.

Cindy Munford on September 3, 2014 at 12:22 PM

No realistic political settlement can be achieved if Russia says we are going to continue to send tanks and troops and arms and advisors under the guise of separatists, who are not home grown

The French sent ships and troops and arms and advisors to the colonists, so by this logic the American Revolution was not home grown. Even assuming that NATO’s unproven claims of over 1000 Russian troops in Ukraine are true, that’s a pretty small number relative to the size of the Ukrainian forces (130,000 total, 50,000 fighting the rebels) and rebel forces (10,000-15,000). The French involvement in our own revolution was relatively much larger than that.

And of course the same NATO which is now screaming about sovereignty and the sacredness of national borders, intervened to help Muslim separatists in Kosovo, by bombing Serbia for weeks and massing 50,000 troops to invade, if the Serbs did not capitulate and allow Kosovo to be detached.

Jon0815 on September 3, 2014 at 12:31 PM

Somebody, not mentioning any names but us, should have blown up one or two of those fakes to see how Putin reacted.

Cindy Munford on September 3, 2014 at 12:22 PM

Yep. Whachabichin about? Those weren’t your tanks or personnel, right?

GWB on September 3, 2014 at 12:46 PM

GWB on September 3, 2014 at 12:46 PM

What tanks?

Cindy Munford on September 3, 2014 at 1:19 PM

From VDH:

In 1935, the great classicist F.L. Lucas (who did everything from translating Greek lyric poetry to authoring a standard work on Aristotle to topographical study of the battle of Pharsalus) wrote ”Splendid Isolation”, a poem assailing the ongoing appeasement of Hitler by the British. One couplet stands out and resonates today.

Hitler be hailed through an all but wrecked Ukraine

We shall just read, and turn to golf again.

Resist We Much on September 3, 2014 at 1:28 PM

It was a confusing morning on the European front on Wednesday

There is no quiet on the Eastern Front.

KW64 on September 3, 2014 at 1:45 PM

Let me know when the Commies reach the Polish frontier.

vnvet on September 3, 2014 at 1:49 PM

What Moskow? Moskow is a myth perpetrated by the evil republicans to support the military industrial complex after WWII.

All there is in russia are trees, feral pigs, and a few tigers.

Diluculo on September 3, 2014 at 2:38 PM

rbj on September 3, 2014 at 12:00 PM

Some listen just to be amazed at his low-IQ.

abobo on September 3, 2014 at 2:51 PM

This is where leftist dolts preach about right-wingers fantasizing about nuclear war…

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/09/03/uk-ukraine-crisis-russia-exercises-idUKKBN0GY0H620140903

Star Bird on September 3, 2014 at 4:37 PM