“We need a national conversation…”

posted at 8:31 am on September 1, 2014 by Jazz Shaw

The Oxford Dictionaries comes out each winter and give an award to the Word of the Year. Others expand the WoTY concept to include a phrase of the year. Lately, however, I’ve been finding that there’s something missing from this system of honorifics. We need some sort of Deleted Phrase of the Year, letting everyone know that a phrase has simply been beaten to death, jumped the shark and reached the end of the line. And the first phrase we need to do away with is, we need to have a national conversation.

When Robin Williams took his own life, we needed a national conversation on depression. In the wake of the Ferguson riots we had to have a national conversation on race, not to mention the pressing need for a national conversation on police brutality. There are even calls for a national conversation on airline seats. (What we really need is somebody to invent a teleportation device.) And, of course, every tragic accident involving a weapon requires a national conversation on getting rid of guns.

The funny thing about this grossly overused and exhausted snippet of language is that it inevitably comes from politicians and televised talking heads… precisely the people who are not in a position to have a conversation with anyone. You see, the entire concept behind a “conversation” is the back and forth aspect of it, with multiple people contributing to the discussion. But the people barking at you from podiums and news set desks are broadcasting, not conversing. What they really mean is that they don’t like the way that far too many of the hoi polloi are thinking and they want to correct you.

I’ve got news for the high and mighty rulers in government and the chatterboxes on the national news. We already have national conversations. We have them every day around dinner tables and in bars and in the break room at work and with our neighbors when we’re out mowing our lawns and – yes – in the comments sections of blogs and discussion forums on the web. We offer solutions or point out the shortcomings in yours. We share our hopes and dreams We rant and we rave. Some of us troll. Some just lurk and take it all in. And it would probably benefit you to realize that we don’t always agree with whatever genius idea you’ve cooked up to solve the latest hysterical crisis of the day. If you really want to have a national conversation on anything, maybe a good starting point would be to begin listening to what we’re already saying.


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I’ve got news for the high and mighty rulers in government and the chatterboxes on the national news. We already have national conversations. We have them every day around dinner tables and in bars and in the break room at work and with our neighbors when we’re out mowing our lawns and – yes – in the comments sections of blogs and discussion forums on the web. We offer solutions or point out the shortcomings in yours. We share our hopes and dreams We rant and we rave. Some of us troll. Some just lurk and take it all in. And it would probably benefit you to realize that we don’t always agree with whatever genius idea you’ve cooked up to solve the latest hysterical crisis of the day. If you really want to have a national conversation on anything, maybe a good starting point would be to begin listening to what we’re already saying.

Excellent point, Mr. Shaw. I might add that these broadcasters and politicians should rein in their obvious disdain for the public. Perhaps they might even find that if they desisted from openly trolling us on various media venues, including twitter, they might find it more conducive to initiating a dialogue.

However, given the obvious reluctance among the broadcasters and politicians to refrain from lashing out at the public, in fact their distinct pleasure in haranguing and even trolling the public, particularly those with whom they believe they disagree, it appears they have no interest in really having any sort of dialogue. As long as they get paid and/or advanced for this behavior they’ll continue to do it. It’s so much easier and less time consuming to expound from that lofty soapbox than reading, listening, and considering other points of view.

thatsafactjack on September 1, 2014 at 11:20 AM

This is a really good post, Jazz.

One of your best.

I agree. It’s all out there. It’s just a matter of listening.

wolly4321 on September 1, 2014 at 11:35 AM

I’ve got news for the high and mighty rulers in government and the chatterboxes on the national news. We already have national conversations. We have them every day around dinner tables and in bars and in the break room at work and with our neighbors when we’re out mowing our lawns and – yes – in the comments sections of blogs and discussion forums on the web. We offer solutions or point out the shortcomings in yours. We share our hopes and dreams We rant and we rave. Some of us troll. Some just lurk and take it all in. And it would probably benefit you to realize that we don’t always agree with whatever genius idea you’ve cooked up to solve the latest hysterical crisis of the day. If you really want to have a national conversation on anything, maybe a good starting point would be to begin listening to what we’re already saying.

You spoke my heart right there. Thank you.

kozanne on September 1, 2014 at 11:36 AM

Actually, Obozo, we NEED YOU TO TAKE ACTION to protect our country, you dimwit.

chai on September 1, 2014 at 11:40 AM

National conversation?? We have had one Obama sucks at everything.

sorrowen on September 1, 2014 at 11:51 AM

We had the conversations before Mr. President–then they signed the Declaration of Independence–there is nothing else to converse about.

Don L on September 1, 2014 at 11:51 AM

Conversation?Yeah,the onesided kind.Odumba$$ doesn’t have’conversations’.Just ask any of Pres.PoopyPants former advisors……

SweetSensationalist on September 1, 2014 at 11:54 AM

Actually, Obozo, we NEED YOU TO TAKE ACTION to protect our country, you dimwit.

chai on September 1, 2014 at 11:40 AM

He’s doing that…hence there hasn’t been another 9/11 since his watch and he got Osama bin Laden

also, show the President some respect and address him properly

nonpartisan on September 1, 2014 at 11:56 AM

also, show the President some respect and address him properly

Respecting the office and respecting the man are not the same thing. I do not respect the man. He hasn’t earned it. He hasn’t earned anything except my contempt.

kozanne on September 1, 2014 at 11:59 AM

Seems like most folks saying ‘we need a national conversation’ are the ones who have their opinion set in stone, and are just looking for a means by which they can sucker more people into a false compromise.

What we really need is a national election, and a new President.

s1im on September 1, 2014 at 12:00 PM

The left’s conversations would probably include:
Eric Holder and Al Sharpton lecturing on racism.
Nancy Pelosi on religious faithfulness.
Harry Reid would explain civil discourse.
Obama would teach on humility.
Al Gore would explain how settled science could save us.
Rubio might diagram fence building for security.
McCain could talk on loyalty.
Hillary on surviving poverty.
The IRS could explain hard drive care.
Candy Crowley could moderate the conversations.
Well, you got the idea….

Don L on September 1, 2014 at 12:01 PM

also, show the President some respect and address him properly

nonpartisan on September 1, 2014 at 11:56 AM

LOL, one would surmise you’re jealous about being out-trolled here recently.

Marcus on September 1, 2014 at 12:02 PM

nonpartisan on September 1, 2014 at 11:56 AM

Right. I will show Obozo exactly as much respect as he has shown to anyone who disagrees with him. Excuse me now while I go drink my slurpee and watch him get the car out of the ditch, while clinging to my bible and guns.

KMC1 on September 1, 2014 at 12:04 PM

Actually, Obozo, we NEED YOU TO TAKE ACTION to protect our country, you dimwit.

chai on September 1, 2014 at 11:40 AM

He’s doing that…hence there hasn’t been another 9/11 since his watch and he got Osama bin Laden

also, show the President some respect and address him properly. Now pardon me, I have to go wipe my chin off.

nonintelligent on September 1, 2014 at 11:56 AM

Last paragraph edited to reflect your sad reality.

First paragraph is brilliant satire; there has been another 9/11 on his watch (Benghazi) and also an Islamic terrorist attack inside the US (Fort Hood).

As for him “getting” bin Laden, after that happened, the Associated Press had to sample twice as many Democrats as Republicans just to get his job approval to go up 5 points. On the other hand, after Bush “let” 9/11 happen, his job approval went up to levels your Cult Leader will never come close to.

F-

Del Dolemonte on September 1, 2014 at 12:09 PM

Nothing good will ever happen
from useless jaws a-flappin’.

S. D. on September 1, 2014 at 12:16 PM

nonpartisan on September 1, 2014 at 11:56 AM What has Obama done to deserve my respect I respect the office but not him.

sorrowen on September 1, 2014 at 12:20 PM

He’s doing that…hence there hasn’t been another 9/11 since his watch and he got Osama bin Laden

also, show the President some respect and address him properly

nonpartisan on September 1, 2014 at 11:56 AM

Oh, I see. So, because there hasn’t been an elephant stampede in DC since 2009, barry is obviously doing a stellar job keeping the elephants away?

You’re a moron. That “He got Bin Laden Single-handedly” argument really helped the war with Fundamentalist Islam, yeah?

You and that slick-assed, street-hustling, moronic, petulant, narcissistic little scumbag, can both go straight to Hell. I’ll show you both as much respect as you showed Bush.

a5minmajor on September 1, 2014 at 12:28 PM

I stopped paying for television about a year ago. Don’t miss it at all.

Which frees me from countless irrelevant national conversations.

Let’s have a national conversation about that.

Galtian on September 1, 2014 at 12:31 PM

ShutUpAndSwing!

Shy Guy on September 1, 2014 at 12:38 PM

nonpartisan on September 1, 2014 at 11:56 AM

I give respect to those who have earned my respect.
The community organizer currently occupying the Oval office-elected because of his color rather than his character-has EARNED the scorn directed at him.
save your retort about how ‘racist’ I am.
The ‘browner-than-o’butteff’ Bobby Jindal is my second choice for president in ’16.
President Jindal. I like the sound of that.

annoyinglittletwerp on September 1, 2014 at 12:40 PM

All this “conversation” is a tactic to keep the jaws yapping and people’s minds on the shiny new objects. In other words a diversion from solving whatever problem. Stall tactics as they further their plan of distraction/destruction, and they will continue with it, no matter who has ”the conversation” nor for how long they have it.

31giddyup on September 1, 2014 at 12:41 PM

Note that politicians who control the PA systems claim to want a conversation.

In the case of the president, he gets two microphones at all times while a crowd of hundreds or even thousands have to share one single mic if they get one at all. They then get 10 seconds to ask a question (with many of them wasting their opportunity on cliches or scripted, planted questions) while the politician gets 5-10 minutes to bore them to death without giving an answer.

jangle12 on September 1, 2014 at 12:45 PM

This is a really good post, Jazz.

One of your best.

I agree. It’s all out there. It’s just a matter of listening.

wolly4321 on September 1, 2014 at 11:35 AM

Ditto.

And the comments here amplify the point. They are certainly a neglected part of the “conversation” by the newsmakers/propagandists.

onlineanalyst on September 1, 2014 at 12:46 PM

In other words, when people ask for a “national conversation” what they really want is a “national lecture.” They just want a national audience they can lecture and as a result feel smug.

tzor on September 1, 2014 at 12:54 PM

In short, shut up and listen to me.

Mason on September 1, 2014 at 1:05 PM

Hey Obumbles the Incompetent, we had a national conversation in 2006, 2008, 2010, 2012. According to you, you won. Now do something. Or do you think that you might not have been right, or you misunderstood what the American people were telling you. C’me on, all it will take this time is a bunch of wide screen TVs to get your constituentcy to agree with whatever you want to do.

Old Country Boy on September 1, 2014 at 1:14 PM

While we’re on the subject of phrases that should be retired from the lexicon I’d like to nominate “teachable moment”.

It’s a phrase that, rather than suggesting we might all learn from any given set of circumstances or observational experience, assumes that one participant, usually the speaker or writer, will instruct and the other(s), usually the reader, viewer, or listener, be instructed.

This assumption grates on me every time I hear the phrase, whether used by media personalities, politicians, or in daily conversation. It’s condescending and patronizing.

thatsafactjack on September 1, 2014 at 1:17 PM

Too bad they haven’t heard about the huge national conversation going on about voting out incumbents. They can read about it in the papers in November, I guess.

RSbrewer on September 1, 2014 at 1:21 PM

Up yours Barky….

There. I’ve conversed.

viking01 on September 1, 2014 at 1:23 PM

One of the most insightful and well framed statements I’ve read or heard in a long time.

Is it time to put Jazz on the list of potential 2016 candidates?

Yes, I’m kidding (HA is a far better gig) but, seriously, this post should go viral. It will have to, because it will never be mentioned by the organized suppress press corps.

IndieDogg on September 1, 2014 at 1:27 PM

Well said Jazz. It’s a talking point I’m tired of hearing.

cat_owner on September 1, 2014 at 1:40 PM

He’s doing that…hence there hasn’t been another 9/11 since his watch and he got Osama bin Laden

also, show the President some respect and address him properly

nonpartisan on September 1, 2014 at 11:56 AM

Your sycophancy knows no bounds.

“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” ― Thomas Paine

I state with confidence that everyone here (except perhaps you) have ultimate respect for the office the President of the United States and our Constitution in which it is defined and delimited. We have no doubt that it is the hardest job in the world.

I’m a pragmatist not a partisan. I would be very happy if Obama had turned out to be the greatest president ever – or even near average… But instead, he is the worst president so far and has “created and saved” an increasingly dangerous world and a declining American society and economy – and has set us up for even worse to come.

Obama, by his soaring yet unmemorable words, his preening narcissistic deceit and duplicity, his incompetence and lack of respect for the Constitution and traditional American values is the one demonstrating the ultimate disrespect for the office of the President of the U.S.

Bottom line, the folks here hold ultimate respect for the office of the president – and we are treating the lying, incompetent man temporarily holding that office with more respect than he deserves.

DrDeano on September 1, 2014 at 1:47 PM

I’ve got news for the high and mighty rulers in government and the chatterboxes on the national news. We already have national conversations. We have them every day around dinner tables and in bars and in the break room at work and with our neighbors when we’re out mowing our lawns…And it would probably benefit you to realize that we don’t always agree with whatever genius idea you’ve cooked up to solve the latest hysterical crisis of the day. If you really want to have a national conversation on anything, maybe a good starting point would be to begin listening to what we’re already saying.

It’s only Monday and already we have the Quote of the Week.

Ricard on September 1, 2014 at 2:00 PM

We need to have a national conver–nah–EFU Obama!

Sherman1864 on September 1, 2014 at 2:25 PM

If you really want to have a national conversation on anything, maybe a good starting point would be to begin listening to what we’re already saying.

Kudos on a great article. However, I believe your final sentence reflects some wishful thinking as our elected leaders have made it clear that they have no intention whatsoever of “listening to what we’re already saying”.

So we need to act accordingly.

I would suggest that in these extraordinary times, the only “conversation” that can help is a one-sided conversation where we the people (who are the government) put our boots very firmly on the necks of our elected leaders and tell them what they are going to do.

And we must continue that conversation ongoing to get America on the right track and to keep it there.

DrDeano on September 1, 2014 at 2:32 PM

This assumption grates on me every time I hear the phrase, whether used by media personalities, politicians, or in daily conversation. It’s condescending and patronizing.

thatsafactjack on September 1, 2014 at 1:17 PM
Post of the day! Thank you, if you could see me, you would see me giving you a standing ovation.

Bakokitty on September 1, 2014 at 2:37 PM

David Cameron announces moves to reverse Islamist brainwashing of British jihadists in new court order controls

National Conversation…Brit style…

British jihadists returning from Iraq and Syria will be forced to attend “deradicalisation” programmes to reverse their warped brainwashing, David Cameron announced.

In a Commons statement, Mr Cameron said: “Adhering to British values is not an option or a choice.

“It is a duty for all those who live in these islands so we will stand up for our values, we will in the end defeat this extremism and we will secure our way of life for generations to come.”

kcewa on September 1, 2014 at 2:38 PM

“We need to a national conversation bombard everyone with Leftist propaganda and cow them via State intimidation and political correctness until the majority agrees with us on everything…”

Now I’ll read the article and see how close I was.

Dr. ZhivBlago on September 1, 2014 at 2:44 PM

The Oxford Dictionaries comes out each winter and give an award to the Word of the Year.

Out of box

Schadenfreude on September 1, 2014 at 3:29 PM

thatsafactjack on September 1, 2014 at 1:17 PM

+ a few million sane people

Schadenfreude on September 1, 2014 at 3:30 PM

we need to learn to have a civilized conversation not amongst those who agree, but with those who disagree

nonpartisan on September 1, 2014 at 9:11 AM

We laugh at you, almost daily. The rogerb library is full of your idiocies, this one being just the cherry on a sundae.

Schadenfreude on September 1, 2014 at 3:33 PM

He’s doing that…hence there hasn’t been another 9/11 since his watch and he got Osama bin Laden

Keeper

also, show the President some respect and address him properly

nonpartisan on September 1, 2014 at 11:56 AM

I do – obama

He deserves NO more, the tiny sulking eunuchy narcissistic dilettante. We have carte blanche to address him any which way we want and you can eat your heart out.

Schadenfreude on September 1, 2014 at 3:35 PM

BUMP

jazz, this forum is an echochamber…not a discussion

we need to learn to have a civilized conversation not amongst those who agree, but with those who disagree

nonpartisan on September 1, 2014 at 9:11 AM

One of these days you will get something right. You must have missed the lively and thoughtful conservations I have had about Islam, same-sex marriage, and immigration reform. They were good debates/conversations and, while I have a slightly different viewpoint from some here, my views were treated with respect.

I used to post over at HP, had around 1,000 fans/friends, and if I had a slightly different opinion….oh boy would it get nasty. Finally, one of the moderators had enough and asked me to stop posting. They keep deleting my posts, thus I left.

HA an echo chamber? Only in your world.

HonestLib on September 1, 2014 at 10:43 AM

Schadenfreude on September 1, 2014 at 3:40 PM

Link that works

Schadenfreude on September 1, 2014 at 3:42 PM

Loved the “Cash for Clunkers” conversation, from the start.

It defined obama to the utmost perfection.

Schadenfreude on September 1, 2014 at 4:02 PM

nonpartisan:

He’s doing that…hence there hasn’t been another 9/11 since his watch and he got Osama bin Laden

Really? He personally got Osama Bin Laden? Wow! And here I thought it was a SEAL Team that did…my bad! Hasn’t been another 9/11…ever hear of Benghazi and 4 dead Americans, which happened on 9/11.

also, show the President some respect and address him properly

I’ll show him some ‘respect’ when he shows the American People some ‘respect.’ Like we used to say in the military…we respect the rank, not necessarily the one with the rank!

Gothguy on September 1, 2014 at 4:20 PM

Nonpartisan is a sock, people.

CW on September 1, 2014 at 4:28 PM

also, show the President some respect and address him properly

nonpartisan on September 1, 2014 at 11:56 AM

You mean the guy who said, “typical white woman”?

The idiot looks and behaves like a pimp.

That’s about as respectful as I’m going to get.

WhirledPeas on September 1, 2014 at 4:45 PM

Need to have a national conversation really means our masters need to give us a stern national lecture and set up another fundraising scheme.

patechinois on September 1, 2014 at 5:26 PM

We need to have a national conversation on why we allow the halfwits who elected an unqualified, incompetent buffoon President TWICE to vote.

Adjoran on September 1, 2014 at 5:28 PM

ISIS, on the other hand, says we need a national CONVERSION.

profitsbeard on September 1, 2014 at 5:33 PM

…We have them every day around dinner tables and in bars and in the break room at work and with our neighbors when we’re out mowing our lawns and – yes – in the comments sections of blogs and discussion forums on the web. We offer solutions or point out the shortcomings in yours. We share our hopes and dreams We rant and we rave…J.S.

“At the end of the day,” we have national conversations every day, our republican representatives pass bills, speak on the Capitol Steps, talk to constituents about clear ideas…and the media gives us CRICKETS.

At the end of the day do you need a national conversation when you are already having one? He (the prez) also said he did not see the protesters on the mall against the health care bill. He saw them.

Fleuries on September 1, 2014 at 6:44 PM

Talk to the hand barky especicially the middle digit that you have been giving America for 5 years.

crosshugger on September 1, 2014 at 7:20 PM

That solution is so yesterday. How about super glue and fiberglass?

wifarmboy on September 1, 2014 at 8:48 AM

Yes, I am one of those traditionalist types.

Still, I usually throw in rail, rope and torches into the mix. More than willing to update those… strapping someone to a chair and putting them in a room full of televisions featuring Barney might not be as physically painful… but I guarantee you that in six hours of that they will have forgotten all about wanting to start ‘a national conversation’ and will be barely able to drool coherently. I’m also willing to turn that up to 11.

ajacksonian on September 1, 2014 at 8:09 PM

Obysmal and his Leftist allies need a nationally televised enema.

onlineanalyst on September 1, 2014 at 8:37 PM

I suggest we start on the solution to this blight with a mixture of tar and feathers.

ajacksonian on September 1, 2014 at 8:44 AM

That solution is so yesterday. How about super glue and fiberglass?

wifarmboy on September 1, 2014 at 8:48 AM

A “progressive” idea that probably has bi-partisan support, even here in the HA echo chamber.

AesopFan on September 1, 2014 at 8:56 PM

“National conversation?!”

That would presume that you’re listening to anyone other than yourself.
No Thanks. I’ll save my breath to cool my coffee.

EdmundBurke247 on September 1, 2014 at 9:23 PM

Thank you, Jazz.

When a national political type says we need a “national conversation” about anything, what they mean is “you people need to shut up and listen to your betters.”

BD57 on September 1, 2014 at 11:21 PM

Great rant, Jazz.

This is the signal that the left is on their back-foot. They say this when they know they have no argument, hope they can come up with one soon, but are one stumble away from a “beer-summit”.

How did the national conversation go about about Sandy Hook and the president’s would-be son, Trayvon? How’s that gun-control conversation working out for Colorado politicians?

The president and his administration have nothing: but they want a conversation where they talk and we listen.

virgo on September 2, 2014 at 1:24 AM

BO, can we speak? The Nation (at least those of us with significant neural activity, and not on the dole) think WE need a President. Please get out of the way – and take Uncle Joe with you.

I am not a fan of #3, but I’d rather give just about anyone a chance. They couldn’t screw the pooch as well as you have!

ha_tspc on September 2, 2014 at 1:51 AM

nonpartisan on September 1, 2014 at 11:56 AM

What has Obama done to deserve my respect I respect the office but not him.

sorrowen on September 1, 2014 at 12:20 PM

Obama deserves no respect, in large part because he completely fails to respect his own office of the Presidency, as well as the other branches of government.

He has sworn to protect and defend the Constitution, the basis of the power he wields, which also limits the power he is allowed to wield. But he does not respect or obey that authority from which his power is derived. Those who swear falsely deserve no one’s respect.

s1im on September 2, 2014 at 5:59 AM

Hey Idiot!

Yes YOU Obama.

Get out of my face.

. . . and get out of our way!

Nat George on September 2, 2014 at 8:31 AM

Conversations are what professors do when they solve all the worlds problems in their little bubble. Conversation is not actions, but Libruls believe when they talk about something and they find an answer that is all it takes, welcome to the real world where actions speak louder than words!

Sven on September 2, 2014 at 10:59 AM

There can be no meaningful national conversation until the chatterboxes in the MSM admit that the Obama administration has been a total failure for our country. Economy, employment, national security, and respect for the law, all at record low levels, while inflation, terrorist and lack of national honor at record high levels. There is nothing to talk about except lies if they will not accept the truth.

savage24 on September 2, 2014 at 11:22 AM

When Prez O’BoutMe says we need to have a ‘national conversation’, I’m thinking this is the same as when my wife says, “We need to talk.”

Both of ‘em mean, “Shut up and listen!”

WestTexasBirdDog on September 1, 2014 at 9:06 AM

Mr. WTBirdDog, you are quite perspecatious. I need to read no further.

NOMOBO on September 2, 2014 at 11:55 AM

Talk to the hand you anti-American, pro-Islamofascist incompetent socialist pig.Always feel better after a good heart to heart,don’t you?

redware on September 2, 2014 at 12:32 PM

We need a national conversation on Obama’s impeachment and conviction.

BuckeyeSam on September 2, 2014 at 12:38 PM

I know I’m late to the party here, but just a short interjection based on wisdom. Not my wisdom, as feeble as it is, but wisdom collected over the years by listening to and reading those who are justifiably wise. To whit:

Respect is earned. Not to be demanded.

I decided in 2007, first looking closely at the One, that he was totally and completely unqualified for national office, starting with his dismal performance in the Illinois state senate, no work experience outside of liberal academia, etc.. No committees did he chair, no bills did he advance or support. Pure Vanilla.

Forget his time in the US Senate. In 2008, he made three major gaffes that should have disqualified him completely in the hearts and minds of Americans: 1.) winging over flyover states, he mocked their residents as “clinging to their guns and their religion” 2.) the little tete a tete with Joe the Plumber about “spreading the wealth” and 3.) his repeated use of the “fundamentally transforming the country”.

Well, transform it, he has much to our detriment. He now appears as a lost soul. And the devil ain’t givin’ it back!!

crankybutt on September 2, 2014 at 4:07 PM

What we need is a National Eradication of these idiots in DC.

Smegley on September 1, 2014 at 8:40 AM

Hear! Hear!

thejackal on September 3, 2014 at 5:02 PM

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