Will 2014 be the year that Jews support the GOP?

posted at 6:31 pm on August 31, 2014 by Jazz Shaw

This is a perennial question which has flummoxed Republican strategists for years and continues to defy conventional political logic and planning. While it is impossible – and politically perilous – to attempt to take any American demographic group and treat them as a homogenous block, on the major issues of the day one would think that the GOP would be a natural fit for the majority of American Jews. When you look, in particular, at which party provides the staunchest support for Israel, there really is no comparison. A host of other topics appear to be a good fit as well, as Zev Chafets observes in an editorial for Fox News.

The American Jewish community – white, assimilated and prosperous – is out-of-place in a Democratic Party determined to build a coalition around an appeal to racial gender minorities, unmarried women, the LGBT community, immigrants and the dependent poor. And while the Jewish community is shrinking because of low birthrates and intermarriage, its Orthodox wing – strongly pro-Israel and socially conservative – is gaining in numbers and self-confidence…

All this, according to some conservative pundits, has created a tipping point. In November, they say, Jews could turn out in key congressional elections, especially in Senate contests, and vote for Republicans who have made support for Israel a signature issue. And in 2016, fed up with Obama’s chilly attitude toward the Jewish state and his weakness in the face of Islamic aggression, Jews could abandon their traditional affiliation with the Democrats and give their energy, their contributions and their votes to the Republicans.

Sounds good, right? This is a sunny, optimistic view which has trapped more than a few campaign managers across the country. And to be sure there are a number of highly respected Jewish community leaders, bloggers and business people who are very vocal supporters of the GOP and their support of Israel. So does Zev think that this is finally the year when the rank and file will assemble along the same lines?

I hate to rain on anybody’s inaugural parade, but this is sheer fantasy.

Jews are not simply supporters of the Democratic Party; they are at the heart of everything from union leadership to campaign funding, think-tank policymaking to grass roots organizing…

The fact is, the great majority of American Jewish Democrats see their party and its agenda as their secular religion. Reform Judaism, America’s largest Jewish denomination, is sometimes jokingly called “the Democratic Party with holidays.” A lot of Jews would sooner convert to Shia Islam than leave the party of their forefathers.

I wish I had all the answers to these questions and could make a case that Zev is wrong, but I can’t. We struggled with the same things in New York during the 2010 campaign, working vigorously with leaders in the Jewish community, reaching out and looking for a foothold. We lost the Jewish vote in a landslide.

I think some of the assumptions which Zev notes as common knowledge in his piece are also somewhat hollow. For example, I believe that it’s true that the lion’s share of American Jewish voters are strong supporters of Israel. But it’s equally true that these are not single issue voters, and that one policy stance alone is not enough to get them hoisting a new flag. Further, Chafets’ characterization of Jews as white, assimilated and prosperous is not only a generalization, but borders on offensive. There are plenty of folks in the Jewish community who are struggling in a tough economy just like everyone else, and policies which benefit the economically successful don’t automatically become a winning, bread basket issue for them.

Still, it always sounds like the Jewish vote would fit far better with a conservative alliance than with the liberals. Why doesn’t it happen? I wish I could tell you. Is it about to change in 2014? I think Zev is probably on the money here, I’m afraid. I wouldn’t bet the ranch on it.


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Hah!

astonerii on August 31, 2014 at 6:37 PM

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Oh, that’s rich…

JohnGalt23 on August 31, 2014 at 6:39 PM

Still, it always sounds like the Jewish vote would fit far better with a conservative alliance than with the liberals.

Given how most Jews self-identify as liberals, I think that would come as a great surprise to them. http://www.pewforum.org/2013/10/01/chapter-6-social-and-political-views/

“Jews are among the most strongly liberal, Democratic groups in U.S. politics. There are more than twice as many self-identified Jewish liberals as conservatives, while among the general public, this balance is nearly reversed. In addition, about seven-in-ten Jews identify with or lean toward the Democratic Party. Jews are more supportive of President Barack Obama than are most other religious groups. And about eight-in-ten Jews say homosexuality should be accepted by society.”

ZachV on August 31, 2014 at 6:40 PM

Freebies and abortion. Hard to beat.

CW on August 31, 2014 at 6:42 PM

Some observations. Jews have been the target of annihilation for millennia. When you are constantly threatened, do you openly resist or do you try to find a way to survive? I think the latter. You look for any way you can get along. You focus on your strengths and use them to keep the dominant party in power. (Hitler was an exception – he openly blamed Jews for everything.)

In addition, secular members of any religion vote Democrat, that’s life. Secular Christians, Jews vote democrat. So, I wouldn’t hope or count on it. Heck, there are leftist Jews in Israel protesting Jewish settlements near Bethlehem. Go figure.

What’s sad, though, is almost every time the Jews have sided w/ the left, eventually they get targeted for destruction. Some of the smartest people ever – this is a compliment – yet they make some lousy political decisions.

I’ve heard that many American Jews are not supporters of Israel. Why they want to ignore their heritage is beyond me but they do.

Perhaps part of it is guilt? Lots of possible explanations here.

MN J on August 31, 2014 at 6:50 PM

Even though the democrat party is more anti-Semitic than ever before, it’s unlikely that American Jews will ever escape from the democrat plantation – they are simply too liberal.

Pork-Chop on August 31, 2014 at 6:53 PM

Activist non-Jewish Democrats share the same religion as the Party’s cultural lukewarm Jews–Church of Big Government.

RBMN on August 31, 2014 at 6:57 PM

Still, it always sounds like the Jewish vote would fit far better with a conservative alliance than with the liberals. Why doesn’t it happen? I wish I could tell you.

Follow the money.

For all we want to paint the Dems as socialists, business comes to them. Will Jewish donors make more money back from the Dems of the GOP? Question answered.

FrankT on August 31, 2014 at 6:57 PM

I think many/most American Jews are self-identifying only as a cultural tag, not a religious one.

They are fundamentalist lefties; they acknowledge no other God. Their forebears in Germany and Austria were the same; secular Jews wholly identifying with the larger culture.

Sadly, 1930s and 40s European Jews learned that totalitarianism cares nothing for how little or how much Jews may identify as religious or how zealously they may conform, but present day American Jews fail to understand how their leftwing ideology ALWAYS turns to the totalitarian.

European Jews seem to be escaping their particular socialist utopias at an increasing rate. Maybe they learned something.

Dolce Far Niente on August 31, 2014 at 6:58 PM

Intelligence is not guaranteed in any demographic, especially those demographics that are self loathing.

Diluculo on August 31, 2014 at 7:00 PM

Jewish Americans, Indian Americans, and Chinese Americans are going to vote D for a long time.

There are prominent South Asian R pols and conservative writers: Jindal, Haley, Ponnuru, Salam, Roy, D’Souza….and Indian-Americans vote 75-80% D.

uatu1878 on August 31, 2014 at 7:01 PM

Still, it always sounds like the Jewish vote would fit far better with a conservative alliance than with the liberals. Why doesn’t it happen?

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I grew up in a small town with three main demographics:

Italians, Jewish emigres from across the map, and Irish – all LIBERAL.

Of the folks I went to high school with who were 100% liberal (including me) – 95% are still liberal and the other 5% are dead.

Being conservative requires careful, ongoing, conscientious THINKING on an analytical basis.

You can dismiss 98% of your liberal born and bred right there.

Emotion rules reason; platitudes triumph over logic and what things ACTUALLY result in is NEVER worked out … EVER.

Want to “remake” a liberal?

Immerse them in a conservative environment that is HOSTILE to their platitudes, doesn’t give a shit about their feelings and has an offhand possibility of resulting in their injury or death if they piss off the wrong person.

Worked for me – it MIGHT work on others.

PolAgnostic on August 31, 2014 at 7:03 PM

American Jews are loyal to the liberal/progressive orthodoxy first. It leads by far, that of their religious and ethnic heritage.

Dan_NV on August 31, 2014 at 7:06 PM

My first husband was a jew and he would have had his arms torn off than vote republican. The Dem party was as much a part if his heritage as the Holocaust. I never understood why and he could never give me a good explanation.

megthered on August 31, 2014 at 7:12 PM

Don’t bet the shvantz on it.

RedPepper on August 31, 2014 at 7:14 PM

My first husband was a jew and he would have had his arms torn off than vote republican. The Dem party was as much a part if his heritage as the Holocaust. I never understood why and he could never give me a good explanation.

megthered on August 31, 2014 at 7:12 PM

I know a bunch of guys just like that. I can’t understand it.

VegasRick on August 31, 2014 at 7:18 PM

And they’ll feel that way when they’re being “resettled” in Alaska by the Demos at the “suggestion” of IS.

Some people you have to hit on the head.

Multiple times.

I grew up in a small town with three main demographics:

Italians, Jewish emigres from across the map, and Irish – all LIBERAL.

Of the folks I went to high school with who were 100% liberal (including me) – 95% are still liberal and the other 5% are dead.

PolAgnostic on August 31, 2014 at 7:03 PM

And I grew up with Italians and Irish – all Republicans.

Location, location, location.

formwiz on August 31, 2014 at 7:19 PM

The biggest movements of Jews to America came from pre-Bolshevik Russia, and pre-Iron Curtain Central Europe. In both cases, the local Communist movements recruited heavily among the alienated Jewish minority. The ones who made it to America were there for the sales pitch, but kickin’ it in the US before the Communists had a chance to turn against the Jews they had previously recruited.

By the time Stalin had shut down the Jewish Autonomous Oblast, Russian Jews had stopped coming to America. A religious Czech or Hungarian Jew left behind the Iron Curtain, once it went up, was better off expressing a desire to emigrate to Israel than to the US. So the Jews who made it to America were already sympathetic to the Left, and were insulated from its failures back in their old, unlamented homelands. In the meanwhile, a lot of very religious Jews with a healthy distrust of the Left borne of experience emigrated to Israel.

Sekhmet on August 31, 2014 at 7:22 PM

And I grew up with Italians and Irish – all Republicans.

Location, location, location.

formwiz on August 31, 2014 at 7:19 PM

I’m of Italian decent and have always been an R’ until the r’s weren’t R’ enough for me. I went indy in the middle of W’s 2nd term.

VegasRick on August 31, 2014 at 7:23 PM

Now, if only the Dems would bad mouth Miami Beach…

vnvet on August 31, 2014 at 7:25 PM

Jews have joined the Left and far Left, even being supporters of political parties that had vehement antisemitism as part of their reason for being. As these parties rose in stature and power, Jews expected civil society to remain civil, even when horrific slanders and falsehoods against Jews were propagated by those they supported. Even when civil society was deeply corrupted, Jews still kept to orderly life expecting the civil authorities which were spreading the hatred to act in ways conducive to civil society.

At each turn they had placed far too much faith in the idea of politics being superficial and having only limited consequences. Stalin was able to turn Jews to the defense of the motherland and then, after the war, it was off to Siberia with them as they were the Intelligentsia of the Party and no longer needed. The orderly society of Germany became corrupted quickly and there was little that they could do to stop that as being a respectable German was coming to mean not being a Jew. You could have served under the Kaiser, gotten the Iron Cross and still be targeted for extermination. Working with the socialist left and even, at the start, socialist right in Germany did not work.

Listen to how Jews are referred to amongst Leftists and socialists in the US and you begin to wonder just what is going on in Jewish culture. History has taught that what they say coming to power is what they fully intend to do IN POWER, and in that Jews have not learned the lesson of not supporting people who say they despise you. There are also a large number of supposed Christians in that boat currently, who cannot believe that expunging religion from all secular activities will ever happen. They think those they support politically are lying to them on that.

They are not. And the only Earth they will inherit if they do not wake up is six feet of soil over them when they have departed from this realm after reaping what they have tossed into the wind.

ajacksonian on August 31, 2014 at 7:26 PM

A Lions – Browns Super Bowl is far more likely than a majority of Jews voting Republican.

bw222 on August 31, 2014 at 7:40 PM

Historically, Jews vote Democrat. They are very liberal, the most liberal voting block in the country

Jews despise Christianity and don’t want religion shoved down their throats. I honestly don’t blame them:)

Redford on August 31, 2014 at 7:43 PM

The irony is that so many Jews hold dearly to leftist values (such as their beliefs about abortion, marriage, social justice, etc.) while living their lives in a very conservative manner (low abortion rate, low divorce rate, successful in business, etc.).

Charles Murray wrote about this tendency of elites to espouse leftist values while still living conservative lives themselves in Coming Apart.

CJ on August 31, 2014 at 7:47 PM

Here’s my explanation for Jewish dedication to the Democrat party, and I don’t know why I didn’t think of this sooner . . . . . . . . . . .

When the nation of Israel began, God had a plan for them to be ‘governed’ in a manner that can be directly co-related to “socialized government,” or “Marxism”.

Awright everyone … drop your rocks, and please read to the finish.

This plan worked as long as the nation in majority followed the Levitical law … to the best of their knowledge. Another way of saying it, is : … Israel was originally established as a real, genuine SOCIALIZED THEOCRACY.

We could try to establish a Marxist-Christian theocracy, but that’s not God’s plan.

Our Founding Fathers had no such intentions, nor should they have had . . . . . the New Testament does NOT condone “socialized government.”

The best way for Christians to live and work among, and therefore minister to and evangelize non-Christians, is in a society whose government is a Democratic-Republic, that uses Biblical standards of defining right behavior and wrong behavior.
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Exit question (which is the whole premise of this thread) :

Can we get “Orthodox” Jews to switch sides ? . . . . . My conclusion : …As long as they hang onto their “Orthodox Judaism” … probably not.

listens2glenn on August 31, 2014 at 7:49 PM

“REDFORD”
isn’t it funny that the Christians are the only people on earth who support the Jews? We are the ones who have to remove a Christmas Tree from schools because the Jews don’t like it. Apparently, there’s nothing more important than the fact that they shouldn’t have to see a Christmas tree.
Yes, and I’m one who supports Israel.
I was told that abortion is the most important thing to Jewish women. So killing babies is more important than Jews being blown up by hamas in Israel.

Bambi on August 31, 2014 at 7:51 PM

Will 2014 be the year that Jews support the GOP?
==================================================

Ahems,..(sarc),..at the rate of As The World Burns, by Hopey The
World Destroyer,

if there are any left!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

canopfor on August 31, 2014 at 7:52 PM

“REDFORD”
isn’t it funny that the Christians are the only people on earth who support the Jews? We are the ones who have to remove a Christmas Tree from schools because the Jews don’t like it. Apparently, there’s nothing more important than the fact that they shouldn’t have to see a Christmas tree.
Yes, and I’m one who supports Israel.
I was told that abortion is the most important thing to Jewish women. So killing babies is more important than Jews being blown up by hamas in Israel.

Bambi on August 31, 2014 at 7:51 PM

I agree and understand your point. I don’t know why Christians support Israel or their Jewish friends. And yes Jews are very socially liberal. Jews control the entertainment, media and many other industries in this country and across the world.

Redford on August 31, 2014 at 7:54 PM

A man an can be a Jew or he can be an Obama supporter, but he can’t legally be a Jew and be an Obama supporter … except in the usual way: one of the two with the mouth, the other with the heart. The spirit of Judaism proclaims the survival of Israel and the meaning of that has no longer been left to guesswork, but made tremendously definite … the Jew must fight all who would commit or enable another genocide or enslavement of the Jews. That is the spirit and the law of Judaism.

Well, Obama has his beliefs and actions and it is a perfectly definite set, there is no vagueness about it. He commands that the Jew bow to the Muslim at every turn they do him hurt or threaten him and his children with death. Word it as softly as you please, the spirit of Obama is the spirit of the evil shadowed specter of the Beast of Austria insidiously billowing in and building and building to ever more horrific heights. The moment there is a question about a boundary line or a building or some Muslim somewhere complaining about any matter, see Obama rise, and see him spit at the Jew from the corner of his twisted forked mouth. The spirit of Obama being in its nature narcissistic and selfish — it is in the man’s line, it comes natural to him — he can fully live up to all of the teachings of Jeremiah Wright and even of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad; for the spirit of Judaism, indeed of decency itself, is entirely impossible to him.

VorDaj on August 31, 2014 at 7:55 PM

American Jews are like the African Americans, they suffer from Stockholm Syndrome.

The Notorious G.O.P on August 31, 2014 at 7:59 PM

By his 20 year attendance in Jeromy Wright’s so-called church, by his saying “The Arabic Call to Prayer is the most beautiful sound on Earth”, by his celebrating Ramadan in the White House, by his 2009 speech in Cairo praising Islam, by his call to go back to the pre 1967 war borders, by his giving the Muslim Brotherhood and their auxiliaries entrance to the White House, the State Department and even the military, by his deep bowing to the Saudi King, by his declaring “The future does not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam” – By each of these things Obama’s calling is plainly revealed. That all united should have failed to enlighten the competent inquirer is almost inconceivable.

VorDaj on August 31, 2014 at 8:01 PM

Vote GOP? That’s a good one. NEVER! Jewish White Guilt is 10X stronger than regular White Guilt.

And don’t be fooled, most liberal Jews wouldn’t blink an eye if Hamas pushed Israel into the sea.

Alabama Infidel on August 31, 2014 at 8:03 PM

And I grew up with Italians and Irish – all Republicans.

Location, location, location.

formwiz on August 31, 2014 at 7:19 PM

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Upstate New York

PolAgnostic on August 31, 2014 at 8:07 PM

In the meanwhile, a lot of very religious Jews with a healthy distrust of the Left borne of experience emigrated to Israel.

Sekhmet on August 31, 2014 at 7:22 PM

That doesn’t make much sense considering Israel was set up as a socialist country. More likely that most of the nationalist Jews moved to Israel while most of the universalist Jews moved to America.

Darth Executor on August 31, 2014 at 8:08 PM

American Jews are like the African Americans, they suffer from Stockholm Syndrome.

The Notorious G.O.P on August 31, 2014 at 7:59 PM

Oh please, they’re both heavy Dem because that’s where their interests lie.

Darth Executor on August 31, 2014 at 8:10 PM

The irony is that so many Jews hold dearly to leftist values (such as their beliefs about abortion, marriage, social justice, etc.) while living their lives in a very conservative manner (low abortion rate, low divorce rate, successful in business, etc.).

CJ on August 31, 2014 at 7:47 PM

Variation in divorce rates by religion:

Religion % have been divorced
Jews 30%
Born-again Christians 27%
Other Christians 24%
Atheists, Agnostics 21

Source: religioustolorance.com

bw222 on August 31, 2014 at 8:17 PM

And don’t be fooled, most liberal Jews wouldn’t blink an eye if Hamas pushed Israel into the sea.

Alabama Infidel on August 31, 2014 at 8:03 PM

No argument here.

DaveDief on August 31, 2014 at 8:20 PM

American Jews are like the African Americans, they suffer from Stockholm Syndrome.

The Notorious G.O.P on August 31, 2014 at 7:59 PM

Blacks vote heavily Democratic because of free stuff. Jews vote Democratic because they are true leftists.

bw222 on August 31, 2014 at 8:20 PM

I’m afraid that you are giving the American Jewish voter too much credit here. They are pretty much as ill-informed as the average American and couldn’t articulate a coherent political philosophy if a gun was at their head.

They are just as swayed by psychological impulses as the rest of the manipulated, only their impulses are a little different. You forget that they harbor a deep seated resentment again Christian America.

Cleombrotus on August 31, 2014 at 8:29 PM

Can we get “Orthodox” Jews to switch sides ? . . . . . My conclusion : …As long as they hang onto their “Orthodox Judaism” … probably not.

listens2glenn on August 31, 2014 at 7:49 PM

Orthodox Jews usually vote Republican and are Conservative.

Cleombrotus on August 31, 2014 at 8:38 PM

No. Simple fact is most American Jews obsess over Israel way less than some on the Right do.

TheDriver on August 31, 2014 at 8:54 PM

SO WHAT HOTA AIR YOU DIDN’T LIME MY COMMENT.

Bambi on August 31, 2014 at 8:54 PM

No…
The Jewish state support same-sex unions and abortions, which are not endorsed in the republican party.
Also the social conservatives always find ways to p#ss of the Jews.

weedisgood on August 31, 2014 at 9:02 PM

And I grew up with Italians and Irish – all Republicans.

Location, location, location.

formwiz on August 31, 2014 at 7:19 PM

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Upstate New York

PolAgnostic on August 31, 2014 at 8:07 PM

You can’t be talking about the Roman Catholics of the northeast that have or had President Kennedy’s portrait on a wall in their homes?

Dr. ZhivBlago on August 31, 2014 at 9:03 PM

They’re sheep, like every other ‘rat party constituency. And as such, they’ll continue to vote for their own destruction, like every other ‘rat party constituency.

Rational Thought on August 31, 2014 at 9:04 PM

The Republican party is about fiscal and personal responsibility, national security and economic freedom. It is not about Christianity as it has an open tent for all faiths or the lack there of. However, when you speak to Jewish associates here in New York, they simply do not believe it. The GOP is fundamentalist Christian based in their minds and that is that; conversation over.

KW64 on August 31, 2014 at 9:25 PM

the core of American Jewry stems from those who left Russian 1890-1910 and they were the least committed Jews of Czarist Russia.
the post Holocaust survivors included the most committed Jews and now the more committed, the more Republican.

avi natan on August 31, 2014 at 9:26 PM

“Can we get “Orthodox” Jews to switch sides ? . . . . . My conclusion : …As long as they hang onto their “Orthodox Judaism” … probably not.

listens2glenn on August 31, 2014 at 7:49 PM
wrong we were the only red voters in NYC

avi natan on August 31, 2014 at 9:28 PM

That doesn’t make much sense considering Israel was set up as a socialist country. More likely that most of the nationalist Jews moved to Israel while most of the universalist Jews moved to America.

Darth Executor on August 31, 2014 at 8:08 PM

Pretty much what I said. At the turn of the century, America was the hot immigration destination just before World War I. Americans were leading the western half of the rescue of Jews from the camps, and often the Soviets would hand custody of the Jews from the camps they cleared out to the Americans. Many Jews decided *not* to move back next door to the little chits who turned them in to the Nazis and got them sent to the camps. So they packed up and left for America before the Iron Curtain descended.

After the Cold War started, it was safer for a Jew in the Warsaw Pact to ask to migrate to Israel than to go to the US. These Jews actually got to see how the Communists weren’t their friends.

This is how the nationalist, conservative Jews ended up in Israel, and America ended up with the universalists.

Sekhmet on August 31, 2014 at 9:30 PM

Jews and Asians are natural allies, based on common values. Latinos too. But feckless GOP establishment cannot seem to drive that message home… or maybe even understand it.

petefrt on August 31, 2014 at 9:49 PM

If you consider that 1)”conservative” means literally “conserving” society in its traditional forms and 2) traditionally the Jews have been oppressed, discriminated against and slaughtered in many societies simply for being Jewish, it’s not hard to understand why they would not want to conserve the status quo but instead are instinctively be drawn toward a party of “change” and “progress” even if that change turns out to be for the worse and the progress is along the road to tyranny.
Recall that many of the founding fathers of Soviet Communism were Jewish, as were a good many fellow travelers in the US and elsewhere. In my opinion they believed in the rosy future utopia of universal brotherhood that Communism promised. Considering what they have endured, an unrealistic promise may be more appealing than the grim reality of things.

jbspry on August 31, 2014 at 9:49 PM

I’m Jewish and have been a registered Republican since the late 70′s. For the life of me I don’t understand why my fellow Jews don’t vote with the GOP. I just don’t think they are smart enough to leave the Dems. So sadly, I have to agree with the author of the article.

COgirl on August 31, 2014 at 9:56 PM

Here’s something I wrote about the Jewish vote 10 years ago. I doubt that anything has changed. I’m pretty bitter about it but also resigned.

And a longer piece about Jews who quietly voted for Bush in 2004.

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on August 31, 2014 at 10:23 PM

wrong we were the only red voters in NYC

avi natan on August 31, 2014 at 9:28 PM

Exactly. It’s the secular Jew, the one who is not confident in his faith, who vote, and are, Liberal. The Orthodox are not guilty and therefore do not need an alternate religion.

Cleombrotus on August 31, 2014 at 10:23 PM

After Obama has turned his back on Israel, placed an editorial praising Hamas president in an Israeli newspaper during the month Hamas fired over 1,000 rockets into Israel, tried to blackmail Israel to accept a peace treaty with Hamas – after Am as had already broken 3 – by cancelling flights into Israel, and after Obama has ignored / broken his own deadline / promise to Israel about the Iran nuclear timeline, if Jews vote for Democrats then they are stupid.

easyt65 on August 31, 2014 at 10:39 PM

Democrats Ave also put out a plan for upcoming elections, calling for them to use outrage in Ferguson to motivate blacks to vote for them. The key word here is ‘USE’, WHICH IS WHAT DEMOCRATS HAVE DONE SINCE LBJ CALLED FOR GIVING BLACKS SOMETHING, BUT NOT ENOUGH TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE, AND PROMISING TO HAVE ‘THOSE NI@@ERS VOTING DEMOCRAT FOR THE NEXT 200 YEARS’. It is time Americans stop letting politicians use and manipulate them!

easyt65 on August 31, 2014 at 10:46 PM

Good luck with that. While orthodox Jews vote Republican we are a tiny minority. Most liberal Jews are morally so corrupt that they support every immoral act possible

There is a saying in the Talmud that when a jew goes down he goes down as low as possible ( meaning that when a jew does not live up to the moral standered set by the Jewish religion they will get as morally corrupt as possible) that’s why you’ll see most of Hollywood’s porn stars have Jewish names. As well as the fact that most members in the communist Russia were Jews

OrthodoxJew on August 31, 2014 at 10:47 PM

I can tell you why -

Because there is a deep cultural strain in the Jewish community that honors intelligence AND liberalism. Jews have always suffered historically (ya know, like thousands of years!) from oppression and discrimination. So the liberal progressives, with many assists from prominent republicans, have done an excellent job of painting the GOP and Conservatives as:

The party of STUPID (see DUBYA)

AND

The party of the religious right (gay haters, anti-abortionists, etc, etc)

Oh, and many Americanized Jews are not really all that pro-Israel and these are the same set that are also the most politically active.

powerpickle on August 31, 2014 at 11:09 PM

I know a bunch of guys just like that. I can’t understand it.

VegasRick on August 31, 2014 at 7:18 PM

I was raised in the Modern Orthodox sect of Judaism, and have remained substantially so ensconced for well over 60 years, so let me provide some insight: Democrat Jews are meshugga

NOMOBO on August 31, 2014 at 11:12 PM

American Jews are among the most useful idiots the left has in the US, even moreso than blacks

They consistently, passionately vote against their own self-interests for liberal scum

A lot of it is tied to the fact that Jews are largely coastal and urban, anyway, but there’s a deeper cultural attitude that corrupts their mindset

They and blacks are as hopeless a demographic for us as any

Focusing on the non-Muslim Asian demographic IMHO is the best hope– Asians are a much more diverse demographic than others, but a natural fit for conservatism with the right messaging…

thurman on August 31, 2014 at 11:14 PM

It will be this way until they realize that there is nothing morally superior about giving the people who want to stab you in the back the sharpest knife, or throwing money at indolence and stupidity in the name of tolerance.

V7_Sport on August 31, 2014 at 11:20 PM

Asians are a much more diverse demographic than others, but a natural fit for conservatism with the right messaging…

thurman on August 31, 2014 at 11:14 PM

I don’t know about that. They vote for free stuff too, AND open borders. Romney didn’t put a dent in that group. They went for the smooth-talking player.

Alabama Infidel on August 31, 2014 at 11:24 PM

As long as you continue thinking of JINOs as relevantly Jewish, you will continue wasting your time asking this rhetorical question.

Shy Guy on August 31, 2014 at 11:35 PM

I’ve heard that many American Jews are not supporters of Israel. Why they want to ignore their heritage is beyond me but they do.

Perhaps part of it is guilt? Lots of possible explanations here.

MN J on August 31, 2014 at 6:50 PM

Maybe they don’t believe that the nation of Israel is “their heritage.” My ancestors are mostly Germanic, I feel no need to leap to the defense of modern Germany because that nation has nothing to do with me.

It may be precisely because Israel tries to shield itself by identifying itself with all Jews that American Jews are less sympathetic to it. If Germany claimed to speak for m because of some historic connection i’d say they could go to hell.

Tlaloc on August 31, 2014 at 11:41 PM

American Jews are among the most useful idiots the left has in the US, even moreso than blacks

thurman on August 31, 2014 at 11:14 PM

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the conservative ambassador for minority outreach…

Gee I can’t imagine why they refuse to vote for you when you clearly are so much smarter than they are.

Tlaloc on August 31, 2014 at 11:44 PM

Jews and Asians are natural allies, based on common values. Latinos too. But feckless GOP establishment cannot seem to drive that message home… or maybe even understand it.

petefrt on August 31, 2014 at 9:49 PM

Hrrrm. Maybe the xenophobic nationalist racist conservative base has a wee something to do with it?

Tlaloc on August 31, 2014 at 11:50 PM

Hrrrm. Maybe the xenophobic nationalist racist conservative base has a wee something to do with it?

Tlaloc on August 31, 2014 at 11:50 PM

Sure that isn’t your programming? Sure that isn’t a cop out?

V7_Sport on September 1, 2014 at 1:02 AM

“..don’t bet the ranch..”

..Holy Crapola, Sergeant Shaw, this is weapons grade Noah Rothman click bait sh*t for a slow pre-NFL Sunday. You’re better than this.

Remember when Bush trotted out the labor union bosses at the GOP convention in 2004 and then those turd bags ended up cutting a deal with the Dems? Same sh*t different, election for the Hispanics. Of course, The Joooooz ain’t organized; they just vote Dem because..well..who the hell knows.

Next post, please.

The War Planner on September 1, 2014 at 1:18 AM

tlaloc, why are you such an enthusiastic supporter of David Duke’s Middle East policy?

FOAF on September 1, 2014 at 1:22 AM

“Israel tries to shield itself by identifying itself with all Jews”

Yeah, what a crazy idea that the place which is the historical homeland of the Jews and was a refuge for Jews from the Holocaust – as well as Arab nations where they were persecuted – would identify with Jews.

FOAF on September 1, 2014 at 1:24 AM

It’s frustrating to me too as a Jew that American Jews can’t shake their Dem loyalty but then I have to admit it took me a lot longer than it should have. There was actually an opening in the ’80s thanks to the Dems’ identification with Jimmy Carter and Jesse Jackson but then in the ’90s it went back the other way – maybe because of Jim Baker and Pat Buchanan? – and hasn’t improved much since.

The one thing I disagree with is about support for Israel. I don’t think it’s fallen off that much amongst Jews except a far-left fringe but there is a phenomenal amount of cognitive dissonance in refusing to acknowledge how hostile the Dem left has turned towards Israel. A perfect example is Alan Dershowitz who is supposed to be a smart guy but still can’t figure it out.

FOAF on September 1, 2014 at 1:30 AM

I’ve never STOPPED supporting the GOP(or if you’d prefer-conservatives).
What?

annoyinglittletwerp on September 1, 2014 at 1:35 AM

Bambi on August 31, 2014 at 7:51 PM

I’m a Jewish woman-and I ONLY support abortion when it’s to save the life of the mother.
Cases of rape/incest don’t cut it for me.

annoyinglittletwerp on September 1, 2014 at 1:42 AM

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the conservative ambassador for minority outreach…

Gee I can’t imagine why they refuse to vote for you when you clearly are so much smarter than they are.

Tlaloc on August 31, 2014 at 11:44 PM

And here is a perfect example of what the problem is. People like you are too chicken sh!t to come to the realization of reality. You are too scared to call it how it is because you are so scared of being labeled something. The only way to get past the problem is identify the problem in which you and others are too much of cowards to do.

You are part of the reason this country is so messed up.

Apparently no one knows what Stockholm Syndrome is. The democrats are the hostage takers the Jews and blacks are the hostages.

The Notorious G.O.P on September 1, 2014 at 2:41 AM

My intractable Jewish friends and relatives have finally shown signs of weariness with the Democratic Party. If this translates to votes is yet to be foreseen. The most encouraging sign is that the rumblings are just not about policies towards Israel, although that is the genesis of the burgeoning disgruntlement. Issues such as immigration, high taxation, Obamacare, NSA spying and overall government intrusion into daily lives, which is a natural concern of Jews for centuries. American Jews may just follow the example of our northern neighbors. In Canada, Jews have crossed over to a majority of conservatives after many years being staunchly and solidly in the liberal camp. There can be no reasonable certainty of a widespread movement by a majority of Jews from Democrat to Republican there are provocative signs and trends to watch and clear in that direction. But, when it comes down to it, will they pull the lever for Ted Cruz. Hmmmmm……sure hope so, but I am not betting the ranch on it.

Nonknower on September 1, 2014 at 3:30 AM

Can we get “Orthodox” Jews to switch sides ? . . . . . My conclusion : …As long as they hang onto their “Orthodox Judaism” … probably not.

listens2glenn on August 31, 2014 at 7:49 PM

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Orthodox Jews usually vote Republican and are Conservative.

Cleombrotus on August 31, 2014 at 8:38 PM

@listens2glenn on August 31, 2014 at 7:49 PM

wrong we were the only red voters in NYC

avi natan on August 31, 2014 at 9:28 PM

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I will be too happy to stand big-time corrected, if that’s the case. But all of the reading I’ve done till now has lead me to think otherwise (wouldn’t be the first time I was in error).
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But as far as my description of the Old Testament establishment of the ‘governing structure’ of the nation of Israel goes, I’m quite certain I got that one correct.

listens2glenn on September 1, 2014 at 5:36 AM

When the nation of Israel began, God had a plan for them to be ‘governed’ in a manner that can be directly co-related to “socialized government,” or “Marxism”.

Awright everyone … drop your rocks, and please read to the finish.

This plan worked as long as the nation in majority followed the Levitical law … to the best of their knowledge. Another way of saying it, is : … Israel was originally established as a real, genuine SOCIALIZED THEOCRACY.

listens2glenn on August 31, 2014 at 7:49 PM

Really? Other than members of the Levite tribe, everyone else was on their own.

In addition, it was (still is) each individual’s responsibility to take care of the poor, destitute and needy, not through national coercion but through individual free will.

As for your comment on Orthodox Jews voting for Democrats, I know of 2 types: 1) the old Jews who can’t think of not voting for the party which gave them Hubert Horatio Humphrey, and 2) those young Orthodox Jews who are heading in the direction of the assimilation of the JINO. They are in the baby steps phase. Other than that, the vast majority of Torah observant Jews are conservative in the life outlook and in there political choices.

Shy Guy on September 1, 2014 at 6:22 AM

Good luck with that. While orthodox Jews vote Republican we are a tiny minority. Most liberal Jews are morally so corrupt that they support every immoral act possible

There is a saying in the Talmud that when a jew goes down he goes down as low as possible ( meaning that when a jew does not live up to the moral standered set by the Jewish religion they will get as morally corrupt as possible) that’s why you’ll see most of Hollywood’s porn stars have Jewish names. As well as the fact that most members in the communist Russia were Jews

OrthodoxJew on August 31, 2014 at 10:47 PM

I think it has a lot to do with many (if not most) Jews are anti-Christian. Many Muslims have a higher opinion of Christ (whom they consider to be a prophet) than many Jews who despise Him. Case and point, based on a Pew survey, American Jews have a (slightly) higher opinion of Muslims than they do Evangelicals.

antifederalist on September 1, 2014 at 7:06 AM

NO.

albill on September 1, 2014 at 8:04 AM

I think it has a lot to do with many (if not most) Jews are anti-Christian. Many Muslims have a higher opinion of Christ (whom they consider to be a prophet) than many Jews who despise Him. Case and point, based on a Pew survey, American Jews have a (slightly) higher opinion of Muslims than they do Evangelicals.

antifederalist on September 1, 2014 at 7:06 AM

This isn’t just apples and oranges – it’s a jumbo fruit cocktail!

You already explained one reason why Muslims have a positive opinion of Jesus. Well, DUH!

You forgot to mention his derision among Jews mainly for all of the seething Jew hatred Jesus’ followers ate for breakfast everyday for the last 2000 years.

And while the ratings of Muslims by Jews should be lower, they are the 2nd lowest on the chart. That most probably means that most people are still way too ignorant about the dangers of Islam. It’s not just a national disease but has spread round the world.

As for Jews’ ratings of evangelicals, figure it out. Hint: JINOs dislike them for one reason, many religious Jews for another.

Shy Guy on September 1, 2014 at 8:17 AM

Historically, Jews vote Democrat. They are very liberal, the most liberal voting block in the country

Jews despise Christianity and don’t want religion shoved down their throats. I honestly don’t blame them:)

Redford on August 31, 2014 at 7:43 PM
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The only quote that makes any sense and probably something that few would admit to as well. Still does not account for all the inter-faith marriages there are today.

rodguy911 on September 1, 2014 at 8:25 AM

Still does not account for all the inter-faith marriages there are today.

rodguy911 on September 1, 2014 at 8:25 AM

The zeal to assimilate. Not just to fit in but to cast away any trace of the past. There are JINOs and there are NEJINOs. :)

Shy Guy on September 1, 2014 at 8:32 AM

And while the ratings of Muslims by Jews should be lower, they are the 2nd lowest on the chart. That most probably means that most people are still way too ignorant about the dangers of Islam. It’s not just a national disease but has spread round the world.

As for Jews’ ratings of evangelicals, figure it out. Hint: JINOs dislike them for one reason, many religious Jews for another.

Shy Guy on September 1, 2014 at 8:17 AM

I think that you are ignoring reality. American Jews are probably the most highly educated people in the US. They are not at all ignorant about Islam. Many Jews are hostile towards Christianity and most likely see evangelical Christianity as a bigger threat than Islam. They most likely fear the 10s of millions of Christian voters in the US who want for the US to return to being a Christian nation more than Muslims halfway across the globe.

antifederalist on September 1, 2014 at 8:43 AM

The whole “Jewish people being liberal even leaders of the movement thing” is incredibly frustrating for me.
I have many Jewish friends who are mostly all brilliant innovators, doctors, lawyers, business men the like and have no use for stupidity in any form. Yet they vote and support even lead those who hate them and long for their demise.
Only thing that makes any sense, if logic is even at play here, is that they hate Christianity even more. Now you have a truly bizarre situation that defies any logic.

rodguy911 on September 1, 2014 at 8:47 AM

Shy Guy on September 1, 2014 at 8:32 AM

And for what it is worth, see here for one of the landmark cases that took prayer out of schools

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engel_v._Vitale

antifederalist on September 1, 2014 at 8:52 AM

The whole “Jewish people being liberal even leaders of the movement thing” is incredibly frustrating for me.
I have many Jewish friends who are mostly all brilliant innovators, doctors, lawyers, business men the like and have no use for stupidity in any form. Yet they vote and support even lead those who hate them and long for their demise.
Only thing that makes any sense, if logic is even at play here, is that they hate Christianity even more. Now you have a truly bizarre situation that defies any logic.

rodguy911 on September 1, 2014 at 8:47 AM

And people wonder why America is no longer a Christian nation. And how state sanctioned abortion became the status quo. And how gay marriage is soon to be the law of the land

Biden: Jewish leaders helped gay marriage succeed

We Christians have lost our country.

antifederalist on September 1, 2014 at 8:55 AM

antifederalist on September 1, 2014 at 8:43 AM

I refer you to the first paragraph of Rodguy’s reply, excluding the comment at the end regarding Christianity.

It’s the liberalism itself. It’s the same dumbness that makes Che Guevara a symbol of freedom for many of the same dufusses. And just look what comes out of Columbia and Harvard these days. ;) Educated? Pffffffffft!

Shy Guy on September 1, 2014 at 10:08 AM

Follow the money.

For all we want to paint the Dems as socialists, business comes to them. Will Jewish donors make more money back from the Dems of the GOP? Question answered.

FrankT on August 31, 2014 at 6:57 PM

Yes, because Jews only care about money. Mmm Hmmmm.

Spare me.

Irritable Pundit on September 1, 2014 at 10:24 AM

When the nation of Israel began, God had a plan for them to be ‘governed’ in a manner that can be directly co-related to “socialized government,” or “Marxism”.

Awright everyone … drop your rocks, and please read to the finish.

This plan worked as long as the nation in majority followed the Levitical law … to the best of their knowledge. Another way of saying it, is : … Israel was originally established as a real, genuine SOCIALIZED THEOCRACY.

listens2glenn on August 31, 2014 at 7:49 PM

Sorry, L2G, but major fail here.

Israel was quite possibly the only nation state at the time which had, as its fundamental political emphasis, the sovereignty of the
individual; the exact opposite of both Marxism AND Theocracy. What the Law did, however, was establish a moral context within which the individual could thrive and which established the justification for that sovereignty.

Consider that, after the first three Commandments, which set the context, the rest of the Ten Commandments are concerned with THE INDIVIDUAL, protecting his rights and possessions, and not the State.

Cleombrotus on September 1, 2014 at 10:25 AM

No…
Also the social conservatives always find ways to p#ss of the Jews.

weedisgood on August 31, 2014 at 9:02 PM

See, faithful Christians (and observant Jews as well) are more interested in not p!ssing off God than a voting block of ethnics.

If ethnic Jews wish to continue to loathe Christians while living in the only country which has never persecuted them, Christians who belong to a political philosophy which staunchly defends them, and embrace instead an ideology which 100% of the time has lead to death and despair for the Jewish people, I can only conclude that God has his plans for His Chosen People.

When His people turn from His Face, it doesn’t turn out well.

Dolce Far Niente on September 1, 2014 at 10:26 AM

listens2glenn on August 31, 2014 at 7:49 PM

Additionally, how can you appeal to Israel’s religious heritage as an explanation for the political activity of Jews who couldn’t care less about their religious heritage, and in fact, reject it?

Cleombrotus on September 1, 2014 at 10:28 AM

listens2glenn on August 31, 2014 at 7:49 PM

Remember, they didn’t even have a KING!

Cleombrotus on September 1, 2014 at 10:31 AM

No…
Also the social conservatives always find ways to p#ss of the SECULAR Jews.

weedisgood on August 31, 2014 at 9:02 PM

FIFY

Just like we p#ss off the secular Gentiles.

But the problem is with us. Of course.

Cleombrotus on September 1, 2014 at 10:33 AM

Hrrrm. Maybe the xenophobic nationalist racist conservative base has a wee something to do with it?

Tlaloc on August 31, 2014 at 11:50 PM

So funny.

Republicans as a block voted a higher percentage for the Civil Rights act (94%) than Democrats (73%).

Michal Steele in 2010 said “The Republican Party “fought very hard in the ’60s to get the civil rights bill passed, as well as the voting rights bill.” Politifact rates this statement as true.

Al Gore Sr. led the filibuster against the Civil Rights act.

“Sheets” Byrd, the senator from West Virginia, was a KKK member and used the “N” word on ABC….in 1992.

LBJ used the “N” word in discussing the votes the Democrats would lock up.

And so on, and so on, and so on.

itsspideyman on September 1, 2014 at 10:35 AM

My apologies, Byrd used the “N” word in 2001. I just remember watching it when it happened and watching the embarrassment by everyone and how shocked I was.

itsspideyman on September 1, 2014 at 10:39 AM

US policy is not now and has never been supportive of a Jewish Israel.

This is under both Dem and Repub administrations

The US State Department has been pretty much forever overtly racist against the Jews

Eisenhower was openly anti-Israel. No Repub or Dem president has had the moral courage to locate the US Embassy in the capitol of Israel, Jerusalem. Bush 41 was typical arrogant bigot against the Jews and now it seems everyone loves him. Bush 43 would not move the embassy to Jerusalem and he allowed Iraq to have an overtly anti-Jewish constitution, paid for with the lives of American soldiers

Right now there are only two potential candidates for the presidency that give indications they have the moral courage to do what is right, Huckabee and Palin.

I am Jew and have been a Repub since Watergate, even though Nixon was clearly a racist when it came to Jews.

The reason most Jews are still Dems is not complicated

A. Most people align emotionally with a party, not intellectually

B. Repubs have been more overtly supportive of “Christian” culture, not based on Christianity, but based on cultural acceptance. Plenty of Dems have been that way too, I mean Roosevelt and Carter are classic anti-Semites, and the current guy is an out and out racist Jew hater…but then again, who likes Obama???

C. When a person feels emotionally that someone or some group does not like them, it is pretty hard to associate with them. And the Repubs still have the likes of Pat Buchanan floating around.

D. Cultural (emotional) change takes generations. How else can you explain 95% of blacks for for Obama, they still think white people do not like the culture of black people

georgealbert on September 1, 2014 at 10:40 AM

georgealbert on September 1, 2014 at 10:40 AM

Sir, I can understand your beliefs. Your identity has been pursued and decimated for the last 2000 years, with Christians in no small part doing much of the damage.

It may take another 2000 years before our cultures can mutually trust each other. But trust comes not by words but by deeds.

Hopefully it will take less than 2000 years to show we are trustable.

itsspideyman on September 1, 2014 at 10:51 AM

georgealbert on September 1, 2014 at 10:40 AM

So the billions of dollars in “aid” the US government provides to Israel isn’t support?

antifederalist on September 1, 2014 at 10:54 AM

Eisenhower was openly anti-Israel. No Repub or Dem president has had the moral courage to locate the US Embassy in the capitol of Israel, Jerusalem. Bush 41 was typical arrogant bigot against the Jews and now it seems everyone loves him. Bush 43 would not move the embassy to Jerusalem and he allowed Iraq to have an overtly anti-Jewish constitution, paid for with the lives of American soldiers

And Bush allowed for the decimation of Iraq’s Christian population. Do you feel any sorrow for that?

antifederalist on September 1, 2014 at 10:59 AM

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