Having solved all other problems, Obama to fix your dishwasher

posted at 9:31 am on August 31, 2014 by Jazz Shaw

I guess he really was multitasking out on the golf course. The President’s team has been hard at work behind the scenes, coming up with a strategy … well, maybe we should say plan, to address the nation’s many challenges.

Spurred by President Obama’s climate action plan, the Department of Energy is pumping out new standards for refrigerators, dishwashers, air conditioners, ceiling fans, furnaces, boilers, water heaters, lamps and many more appliances.

The administration says the standards will not only help the planet but also stimulate the economy by saving consumers money on their energy bills that they can spend elsewhere.

After what we’ve been through with energy regulations, you’d think the administration would be at least a little hesitant to leap in for another grab at that brass ring. I mean, won’t a sudden raft of new requirements for the products everyone has to purchase have some, er… unintended consequences? William Teach seems to have been thinking along the same lines.

While the rules may save a bit of energy (and there is nothing wrong with that, though it should be the consumer choice, not Government Mandate), it will also drive up the cost of the appliances/devices, which will harm the lower and middle classes.

Apparently this was obvious to everyone except the White House, and industry representatives were quick to chime in.

But industry groups argue the standards, which will apply to both commercial and household appliances, could slow the economy, and that the Energy Department is rushing the new rules while overestimating the savings. Other critics argue the push to regulate household appliances is evidence of a nanny state.

“They’re not taking the time to get it right,” said Steve Yurek, president and CEO of the Air Conditioning, Heating and Refrigeration Institute. “That’s what we’re concerned about,” he said.

For some reason which I can’t quite put my finger on, this sounds awfully familiar. Changing regulations for everyone’s benefit without taking into account the real world fallout and secondary costs which would inevitably be passed on to the consumer? Give me a minute. I’m sure it will come to me.


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Good thing our southern border, the Mid-East, Russia and China are quiet so we can pay attention to trivialities that are only going to backfire.

rbj on August 31, 2014 at 9:37 AM

And when the prices of new appliances go through the roof, middle class consumers will find a substitute; i.e., they will hold onto their old, energy inefficient (really inefficient, since they are aging) appliances for a few years longer.

Law of unintended consequences, demonstrated nearly perfectly…

JohnGalt23 on August 31, 2014 at 9:38 AM

CIA Chief: We’ll Spy on You Through Your Dishwasher, TV Remote, SmartMeter

‘We want you to get rid of all of your old appliances and replace them with new ‘green’ ones because we really want to help you save money. Really. Trust us. Why else would we possibly want you to do it? Would we lie to you?’

- Big Brother Uncle Sam

Resist We Much on August 31, 2014 at 9:39 AM

He is not qualified to fix dishwashers or any other household appliance…..only qualified to Agitate and Shakedown.
His Bullshit degrees where all handed to him as an affirmative action baby, where he was always given a grade or two higher than he actually earned.
Bush’s GPA higher than Kerry and Obama’s

Privatize It on August 31, 2014 at 9:41 AM

I mean, won’t a sudden raft of new requirements for the products everyone has to purchase have some, er… unintended consequences?

Or intended consequences. See with the “cash for clunkers” buyback, they destroyed perfectly usable cars and which wasted then energy used to manufacture them. Other times, as now, they go to the opposite extreme to waste energy. It’s so stupid you suspect it’s intentional. But I guess the cynical rule may apply: never attribute to malevolence that which can be explained by incompetence.

Fenris on August 31, 2014 at 9:44 AM

If you like your dishwasher, you can keep your dishwasher.

flipflop on August 31, 2014 at 9:45 AM

Expensive appliances that don’t work right is exactly what this country needs right now! Especially what’s left of the middle class.

And BTW, those expensive squiggly bulbs that make inferior light – I’ve noticed that the burn out just about as quickly as the old ones. I was told they would last a really really long time.

And I was also told my med insurance premiums would go down by $2500.

forest on August 31, 2014 at 9:49 AM

Someday, they’re going to push new ideologies down our throats as forcefully and ruthlessly as they push new green products down our throats. They need to start the training somewhere.

RBMN on August 31, 2014 at 9:50 AM

Saw an article when Hillary was still in office that she was trying to standardize cooking stoves manufactured in China I think? Guess its needed to help them sort out carbon measurements (finally the ability to bottle and sell air) so they can stick another meter on everyone’s abode. Hit you with a monthly.
In the words of Colonel Cathcart, “All part of the plan”.

onomo on August 31, 2014 at 9:51 AM

Help the planet? How will it help the planet? There was a time when such idiotic statements were universally mocked.

The appliances probably won’t cost a lot more up front, they will just be even crappier. The costs will be taken out of the quality, the increased energy efficiency will be at the expense of performance, so dishes will be less clean, ACs will cool less, etc…

(although I don’t own a dishwasher – I think I should get a BS credit!!).

It’s the same logic as the low-flow toilet which somehow saves water by forcing you to flush more often.

Idiots.

reaganaut on August 31, 2014 at 9:52 AM

Appliances these days are such crap, with unnecessary, complicated electronics that frequently break down, especially on power surges. Flimsy, and last a few years. Like stuff made in China, they look like appliances, but they’re a pale imitation. Potemkin appliances.

btw Gordon Jump is OK, but I’ll take Jesse White as the Maytag Man.

LashRambo on August 31, 2014 at 9:53 AM

Oh, this “green” crap has been going on for a couple years now. Cities & towns are discovering that using the “green” moniker can allow them all sorts of ways to enhance their tax income, er, revenue stream.

For example, when my water heater died, I found out that before I could REPLACE it, I had to file for, and obtain, a permit. Costs $40. A frikkin’ PERMIT just to replace my home’s water heater. Then, they demand that you add an expansion tank to whatever water heater you purchase. Adds $100-$150 to the overall costs. They justify this by saying it’s “helping the environment” because you are only allowed to install certain types of water heaters that meet their “energy standards”.

Now they’re talking about the same thing for other appliances and heating systems.

This federal government needs to be severely reduced in size & scope, and state, county & city governments as well. We simply cannot afford their “help” anymore.

TKindred on August 31, 2014 at 9:53 AM

it will also drive up the cost of the appliances/devices, which will harm the lower and middle classes.

Which seems to be the desired result. Everything Obama has done has had a detrimental effect on the middle class.

One might start to think the left really hates the middle class and wants to see it gone.

Kinda makes sense. Make everyone poorer and dependent on government in one way or another. That way everyone will be equal! Yay!!!!

darwin on August 31, 2014 at 9:57 AM

And BTW, those expensive squiggly bulbs that make inferior light – I’ve noticed that the burn out just about as quickly as the old ones. I was told they would last a really really long time.

forest on August 31, 2014 at 9:49 AM

Yeah, CFLs really sucked.

The new LEDs are significantly better though, in my opinion. Just wish the prices would come down a little farther. $10 for a single bulb is still a little too pricey, and the larger bulbs for recessed lights are still around $20.

strictnein on August 31, 2014 at 9:58 AM

The left’s agenda and priorities are completely psychotic.

Star Bird on August 31, 2014 at 10:02 AM

What is this going to do to low-income renters? When landlords have to upgrade heating, lighting, cooling, plumbing, insulation, etc., renters will be priced out of their homes. Be more dependent on government and charity than they are now.

RBMN on August 31, 2014 at 10:02 AM

Yeah, CFLs really sucked.

The new LEDs are significantly better though, in my opinion. Just wish the prices would come down a little farther. $10 for a single bulb is still a little too pricey, and the larger bulbs for recessed lights are still around $20.

strictnein on August 31, 2014 at 9:58 AM

I hate CFLs. Was about to go out and buy a lot of incandescents but decided to give LED’s a try. They are expensive but so far their life expectancy seems good. Much better than the incandescents and the light is fine. In my experience so far LEDs are worth the price even compared to incandescents. Selection is becoming better too. I just bought a three way for my bedroom lamp. Heat output is quite a bit less and power consumption is minimal.

Oldnuke on August 31, 2014 at 10:06 AM

What is this going to do to low-income renters?

RBMN on August 31, 2014 at 10:02 AM

OH, they’ll still vote democrat. The dims will just lie to them, promise more free stuff and swear that they’ll fix it by raising the taxes on rich people.

Oldnuke on August 31, 2014 at 10:09 AM

What kind of mental illness is it that thinks more regulations that make things cost more so people can’t afford them and don’t buy them is good for the economy?

crankyoldlady on August 31, 2014 at 10:10 AM

But industry groups argue the standards, which will apply to both commercial and household appliances, could slow the economy, and that the Energy Department is rushing the new rules while overestimating the savings.

For some reason which I can’t quite put my finger on, this sounds awfully familiar. Changing regulations for everyone’s benefit without taking into account the real world fallout and secondary costs which would inevitably be passed on to the consumer? Give me a minute. I’m sure it will come to me.

Which one? There has certainly been more than a few……

LL

Lady Logician on August 31, 2014 at 10:10 AM

Problem is, there are lots of changing variables.

In the case of dishwashers, many communities are now stuck with only being able to purchase anemic phosphate-free detergents. In order to restore previous performance, folks have to wander down to the Home Depot and buy pounds of trisodium phosphate (TSP) and pitch in random amounts in with the enfeebled detergent.

On top of that, there are requirements to have reduced water dishwashers. But if the new dishwashers take twice as long with reduced water and with crappy detergents, then frustrated people will learn (if they aren’t doing it already) to pretty much wash the crockery prior to putting it in the dishwasher.

The variance between those who do and those who don’t effect the overall performance of the dishwasher. Also the washing in the sink prior to washing in the dishwasher is the equivalent of flushing the six liter commodes several times to do the same job the previous generation’s 13.2L once performed.

Then there are the complications and confusion in establishing performance and compliance metrics. With the air-conditioning industry there is SEER (Seasonal Energy Efficiency Ratio) where people simply bought according to SEER rating and price. A baseline SEER measures a/c performance at 82F degrees when most people wouldn’t even use an air-conditioner. Add 10 degrees of cooling difference and those numbers mean nothing.

The appliance industry is complaining mainly because, like when the EPA mandated the energy industry use a certain percentage of a product that doesn’t exist, the Powers that Be are mandating yet another SEER equivalent, pointless, useless and misguiding. Which means it will most like make things worse, not better.

Reuben Hick on August 31, 2014 at 10:10 AM

Anything the government says it will do for you-for your benefit- expect the opposite will happen. I remember when congress intervened in the cable providers business. Congress said they would enact laws to keep cable rates down. Ever since cable rates have risen.

jaywemm on August 31, 2014 at 10:11 AM

I hate CFLs. Was about to go out and buy a lot of incandescents but decided to give LED’s a try. They are expensive but so far their life expectancy seems good. Much better than the incandescents and the light is fine. In my experience so far LEDs are worth the price even compared to incandescents. Selection is becoming better too. I just bought a three way for my bedroom lamp. Heat output is quite a bit less and power consumption is minimal.

Oldnuke on August 31, 2014 at 10:06 AM

LEDs are pretty good. They throw a nice light. I would never buy those squiggly bulbs. They’ll be collectibles soon. They are supposed to last longer? How could anyone know that unless they had been used a long time.

crankyoldlady on August 31, 2014 at 10:12 AM

I’m also suspicious of those stickers on all the appliances that claim they are energy efficient. I think they slap those on all the appliances whether that’s true or not.

I had to get a new water heater. The whole back end of my trailer is on one circuit including the wter heater. When I had the old one I had 2 tv’s and 2 electric heaters plugged in to that circuit. After I got the new expensive one I can’t plug anything else into that circuit or I blow a fuse.

crankyoldlady on August 31, 2014 at 10:18 AM

Not to worry. Be proud in the knowledge that our politicians won’t have to comply with any of this destructive crapola.

vnvet on August 31, 2014 at 10:25 AM

“…the standards will not only help the planet but also stimulate the economy by saving consumers money on their energy bills that they can be fleeced for more tax dollars.”

That is the ONLY basis for policy decisions from these corrupt-o-crats.

locomotivebreath1901 on August 31, 2014 at 10:28 AM

Nobody at the WH &EPA understand the difference between energy and power. Make a device half as powerful and it will be on more than twice as long and user moor energy. It will also be much more expensive and less reliable.

jukin3 on August 31, 2014 at 10:29 AM

The administration says the standards will not only help the planet but also stimulate the economy by saving consumers money on their energy bills that they can spend elsewhere.

Several years ago, we were asked to conserve water. People responded. Then the MWD RAISED water rates. They said that people saved so much water, the MWD couldn’t make payroll.

With all those “savings” in energy, you can expect your electric power supplier to pull the same stunt.

GarandFan on August 31, 2014 at 10:30 AM

The administration says the standards will not only help the planet but also stimulate the economy by saving consumers money on their energy bills that they can spend elsewhere.

I wonder if it ever occurred to them that in order to save any money consumers would first have to purchase one of these new appliances, and dump the old appliance. Is the government going to trade in those old appliances like they did with the cash for clunkers program?

scalleywag on August 31, 2014 at 10:32 AM

These guys are like rocket scientists, their ideas are just out of this world. /

scalleywag on August 31, 2014 at 10:35 AM

The variance between those who do and those who don’t effect the overall performance of the dishwasher. Also the washing in the sink prior to washing in the dishwasher is the equivalent of flushing the six liter commodes several times to do the same job the previous generation’s 13.2L once performed.

Reuben Hick on August 31, 2014 at 10:10 AM

If there are only one or two people in your house and you only run your dishwasher once a week or so, if you don’t pre rinse those dishes they will come out looking like they did when they went in.

ncinca on August 31, 2014 at 10:36 AM

But, what I really want to know is, does the DoE have a SWAT team for enforcement?

Fallon on August 31, 2014 at 10:41 AM

OT:
Abortion reform call as record number of babies survive birth at 23 weeks

AT LEAST 120 babies born during week 23 of a pregnancy — the last week when abortions on demand are legal — have survived in the past four years, The Sunday Times can reveal.

New figures show the number of babies who are born before the 24-week legal abortion limit and survive is rising at large hospitals with specialist doctors. The real number of week 23 babies who survived is likely to be higher, as it is based on a sample of 25 hospitals that replied to a request under freedom of information laws.

kcewa on August 31, 2014 at 10:41 AM

The administration says the standards will not only help the planet but also stimulate the economy by saving consumers money on their energy bills that they can spend elsewhere.

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The commie bureau-ccrruptocrats juts increased your REPAIR and disposal costs for these new energy “saving” appliances probably by at least by 20-30% – for each device.
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Enjoy your savings.

FlaMurph on August 31, 2014 at 10:42 AM

More regulations?

Why don’t they just issue us all a barcode so we can’t buy or sell anything that they don’t approve? They could tattoo it on our foreheads or hand.

Cleombrotus on August 31, 2014 at 10:46 AM

I have a space heater from 15 years ago and a space heater from 2 years ago. Guess which one is ‘allowed ‘ to get hot.

birdhurd on August 31, 2014 at 10:46 AM

Like all good little Marxists, everyone in the Obama administration can’t resist creating an opportunity to control peoples’ lives.

clippermiami on August 31, 2014 at 10:47 AM

B-b-b-but… it WILL save about 10% of the coming energy cost increases after Obama shut down all the energy plants.

Democrats saving the world as good planeteers! The power is NOT yours!

Skywise on August 31, 2014 at 10:47 AM

He’s so handy… “Handy” (Parody of “Fancy”) by “Weird Al” Yankovi?: http://youtu.be/Uo1kqB_0s2M

Nethicus on August 31, 2014 at 10:51 AM

I wrote about this earlier, must have been in the headlines. Has anyone bought appliances lately? I did last year and reading the customer reviews were a trip. The ones I purchased used substantially less water while taking a lot longer to do a worse job. Also, for the first time ever I had an appliance malfunction, just after the warranty expired. The cost of the relatively minor repair was going to cost more than a new appliance. Luckily the technician showed me how to get around the repair. Pay more, shoddy quality, and take more time to do a bad job, how great is that?

Cindy Munford on August 31, 2014 at 10:53 AM

Absurd….but that’s Obama social and scientific illiterate….

sorrowen on August 31, 2014 at 10:57 AM

Changing regulations for everyone’s benefit without taking into account the real world fallout and secondary costs which would inevitably be passed on to the consumer?

I’m not sure why people always assume they haven’t taken these things into account, of course they have and they just don’t care. This is all in the name of ‘progress’, they believe they have to force things on people to bend them to their will, excuse me, ‘progress’, and the harm done is just growing pains.

clearbluesky on August 31, 2014 at 10:57 AM

Too late. Over the years I fixed my dishwasher myself, along with my washer and dryer and oven, and several items on my car.

Social media works.

MarkT on August 31, 2014 at 10:57 AM

That’s the thing.

These new “efficient” appliances won’t work anywhere near as well.

Pay more, shoddy quality, and take more time to do a bad job, how great is that?

Cindy Munford on August 31, 2014 at 10:53 AM

It’s what made Detroit the city it is today.

formwiz on August 31, 2014 at 10:58 AM

We recently had our old fridge repaired, which cost us a pretty penny, but not as much as a new one would have cost. When I mentioned getting a new one, the repairman shook his head and said, “The older the refrigerator, the better it is.” Not exactly inspiring confidence in this brave new world of green energy.

RebeccaH on August 31, 2014 at 10:58 AM

Cindy Munford on August 31, 2014 at 10:53 AM

I just bought a new oven/stovetop and it conked out twice in the first year, luckily still under warranty. And don’t even try using laundry detergent pods in the new low water, front loader machines, they won’t dissolve completely and you’ll be left with a gooey mess.

clearbluesky on August 31, 2014 at 11:00 AM

formwiz on August 31, 2014 at 10:58 AM

For the washer I tried very hard to get all the options that have been available for years, an agitator and the option of choosing my own load size/water level and while I haven’t been unhappy with the performance, I am positive that the load size option is b.s. and the machine still does what the government wants. So which costs more, water or electricity, especially if you do a second rinse? Plus people are reducing their load sizes so that’s more water and electricity. It’s ridiculous.

Cindy Munford on August 31, 2014 at 11:02 AM

clearbluesky on August 31, 2014 at 11:00 AM

I had one of the first front loaders and loved it, this time I bought a regular and it’s just okay. My friend has a front loader that she loathes. And what are you going to do? They are too expensive to just replace on a whim. I am experimenting with the pods also but I don’t think the have enough soap in them so I keep some liquid on hand.

Cindy Munford on August 31, 2014 at 11:05 AM

They have to find SOMETHING for all those people working in government to do.

Some of them went to four years of college so they could micromanage everything everyone else does.

Cleombrotus on August 31, 2014 at 11:07 AM

formwiz on August 31, 2014 at 10:58 AM

Well “luckily” we won’t be putting any American cities in ruins with these because I doubt very seriously they were made anywhere near the U.S.?

Cindy Munford on August 31, 2014 at 11:07 AM

Too late. Over the years I fixed my dishwasher myself, along with my washer and dryer and oven, and several items on my car.

Social media works.

MarkT on August 31, 2014 at 10:57 AM

Youtube U. is awesome.

CW on August 31, 2014 at 11:18 AM

MarkT on August 31, 2014 at 10:57 AM CW on August 31, 2014 at 11:18 AM

No kidding! It has been a real money saver with our cars. The one thing we can’t seem to find is how to get the cover off of one of the fuse boxes on the GT. Can find plenty of people offering to kill the engineer who designed it by no actual conquerors of the problem.

Cindy Munford on August 31, 2014 at 11:23 AM

Progress for a progressive means moving backward. Woo hoo ,back to the future boys….back to the future.

This PWS (posting while sober) is kinda a drag.

HonestLib on August 31, 2014 at 11:27 AM

“They’re not taking the time to get it right,” said Steve Yurek, president and CEO of the Air Conditioning, Heating and Refrigeration Institute. “That’s what we’re concerned about,” he said.

Right?

This is not about getting it “right”.

itsspideyman on August 31, 2014 at 11:33 AM

Pay more, shoddy quality, and take more time to do a bad job, how great is that?

Cindy Munford on August 31, 2014 at 10:53 AM

Hey, how do you know one of my project managers?

HonestLib on August 31, 2014 at 11:35 AM

I wrote about this earlier, must have been in the headlines. Has anyone bought appliances lately? I did last year and reading the customer reviews were a trip. The ones I purchased used substantially less water while taking a lot longer to do a worse job. Also, for the first time ever I had an appliance malfunction, just after the warranty expired. The cost of the relatively minor repair was going to cost more than a new appliance. Luckily the technician showed me how to get around the repair. Pay more, shoddy quality, and take more time to do a bad job, how great is that?

Cindy Munford on August 31, 2014 at 10:53 AM

Having a similar conversation about this with an older family member who had just bought his third lawnmower in under 10 years (busted oil seal) – He recalled how my grandfather bought 1, ONE, lawnmower that lasted 20+ years and never did any regular maintenance on it like oil changes or such and kept a one acre yard well mowed. The family member has a 1/4 the yard size and only mows when he absolutely has to.

Skywise on August 31, 2014 at 11:36 AM

I wrote about this earlier, must have been in the headlines. Has anyone bought appliances lately? I did last year and reading the customer reviews were a trip. The ones I purchased used substantially less water while taking a lot longer to do a worse job. Also, for the first time ever I had an appliance malfunction, just after the warranty expired. The cost of the relatively minor repair was going to cost more than a new appliance. Luckily the technician showed me how to get around the repair. Pay more, shoddy quality, and take more time to do a bad job, how great is that?

Cindy Munford on August 31, 2014 at 10:53 AM

I used to sell “white goods” and bought a GE washer/dryer combination. The dryer is still going strong after 30 years.

The washer finally gave out after 26 years.

I bought another GE washer and this one built in Mexico gave out after 18 months (after the warranty expired).

I replaced it with a pre-90s washer and its running fine today.

itsspideyman on August 31, 2014 at 11:37 AM

What is this going to do to low-income renters? When landlords have to upgrade heating, lighting, cooling, plumbing, insulation, etc., renters will be priced out of their homes. Be more dependent on government and charity than they are now.

RBMN on August 31, 2014 at 10:02 AM

Mission Accomplished.

bofh on August 31, 2014 at 11:38 AM

Too late. Over the years I fixed my dishwasher myself, along with my washer and dryer and oven, and several items on my car.

Social media works.

MarkT on August 31, 2014 at 10:57 AM

For years I just fixed everything myself. Cars, heat pumps, water heaters, TVs, washers, dryers and kitchen appliances. I even build my own computers.I did it because I liked knowing what was wrong and how to fix it. Plus it was a PITA finding a decent repairman.These days as age creeps up I find myself unable to do a lot of things that I used to do. I just trouble shot and repaired my daughter’s telephone problems that Verizon seemed unable to either find or fix. Took me about fifteen minutes or so. Hardest part was getting down into a close enough position to access the junction box. Broken wire making intermittent contact. I hate getting old. I have a refrigerator that’s had to have the condenser fan replaced twice now. Job is simple, takes about 10 minutes but I simply can’t get down with enough comfort to do the job. Did I mention that I hate getting old?

Oldnuke on August 31, 2014 at 11:39 AM

My dryer is 39 years old and it works perfectly. So happy to have inherited many of my appliances. I’m keeping it for as long as I can.

joekenha on August 31, 2014 at 11:39 AM

Cindy Munford on August 31, 2014 at 11:05 AM

Couple of years ago The Wife bought the fancy dancy washer/dryer in some bright colour. Man, was I surprised about the cost. With our rather large family, number not size, she averages six loads a day. Yea…a day.

HonestLib on August 31, 2014 at 11:40 AM

If new energy efficient appliances are too expensive, the poor will buy used ones that are even less efficient than moderately priced new ones. This is also true of cars. Young people starting out do not have a lot of capital to invest up front so they accept higher operating costs down the road just to get something that works. The academic progressive left from the hippie era has so removed itself from the troubles of the just starting out 20 somethings that they do not even register with them.

KW64 on August 31, 2014 at 11:41 AM

My dryer is 39 years old and it works perfectly. So happy to have inherited many of my appliances. I’m keeping it for as long as I can.

joekenha on August 31, 2014 at 11:39 AM

My washer/dryer is a tad bit older. Am glad I married her.

HonestLib on August 31, 2014 at 11:42 AM

itsspideyman on August 31, 2014 at 11:37 AM

Great, mine is a GE. I wonder how much these new regulations actually have to do with it or is it just an excuse to throw together things half azzed?

Cindy Munford on August 31, 2014 at 11:43 AM

Skywise on August 31, 2014 at 11:36 AM

I guess it is the same with everything. Our house was built in 1998 and we have replaced the entire HVAC system in 2005. That’s crazy. I don’t know if it is Florida or what but in Virginia you kept your furnace and a/c for decades. DECADES!!!! And as for this efficiencey crap…..anyone seen their electric bills go down? Ever?

Cindy Munford on August 31, 2014 at 11:47 AM

HonestLib on August 31, 2014 at 11:42 AM

I assume that Mrs HL doesn’t read HotAir.

Cindy Munford on August 31, 2014 at 11:48 AM

What’s next, those battery powered “personal massage” wands? (AKA electronic dildos.)

Just curious …

Woody

woodcdi on August 31, 2014 at 11:50 AM

Take up camping to get accustomed to how we’ll all be living the in future. Joe Arpios’ tent prison in Arizona might be closer to what we’ll look like before too long.

Ruckus_Tom on August 31, 2014 at 11:53 AM

HonestLib on August 31, 2014 at 11:40 AM

If you can afford it and it works that’s great. That’s a lot of laundry! We have recently done some updating and I thought I would buy some new stuff so that as we get older and maybe have less disposable income our stuff might get us through. Now I am not at all sure that it was the correct move for some of these things. Trying to research and not make spontaneous purchases because your going to die of heat stroke is the goal. Seldom achieved.

Cindy Munford on August 31, 2014 at 12:01 PM

Obumbles the Incompetent’s EPA has already fixed our dishwashers. They don’t wash dishes any more. Bushitler and his epa fixed our light bulbs. They cost ten times as much, don’t last as long, and put mercury salts in the environment. My Korean made refrigerator doesn’t work and is so poorly built that the corrosion is doing in the control wires placed UNDER the back insulation. My European brand washing machine Is down once a year. The only thing in this country that really needs to be fixed is our politicized bureaucracy. I fix calves all the time, just like that lady in Iowa. I will be happy to show everybody how these bureaucrats should be fixed.

By the way, all these foreign products used to be made in The USA, but Obumbles the Incompetent and his wall street cronys made sure they are now made overseas.

Old Country Boy on August 31, 2014 at 12:03 PM

I bought another GE washer and this one built in Mexico gave out after 18 months (after the warranty expired).
I replaced it with a pre-90s washer and its running fine today.
itsspideyman on August 31, 2014 at 11:37 AM

Before they passed just before and after 2000, we visited my aunt and uncle, whose “extra” refrigerator for cool drinks was out in the porch shed – originally the family refrig I remember as a kid and built around 1950.

When we moved to the Rocky Mountain SW to “retire”, we spent extra money on an Asko dishwasher and my brother, who built nearby, “saved” on GE stuff. In less than a year, he has had parts of the dishwasher replaced, and has had dishes come out dirtier than when he pet them in. We barely hear ours working, and one wash in 10 has a plate with a speck on it.

Let’s see, government comprised of people focusing solely on parasitical theft and unaccountable use of taxpayer money is qualified in health care, metallurgy, electrical soldering joints, green energy projects which destroy peace of mind, birds and squanders millions, weather and climate “prediction”, and a thousand other little items guaranteed to impoverish only those who are willing to work properly….

If it gets much worse, we will, shall, come after you.

RL on August 31, 2014 at 12:08 PM

Old Country Boy on August 31, 2014 at 12:03 PM

First they “fixed” the soap. Now they are going after the dishwater itself. It will run for four hours and the results will be middling.

Cindy Munford on August 31, 2014 at 12:09 PM

Here’s a test that will open your eyes to what is going on: Tune an AM radio to around 1000 and walk it close by your new washer and/or dryer. As long as it is plugged in, you’ll “get the message”. The machines don’t need to be on, just plugged in.

Makes you wonder what data is being transmitted and to whom …

Woody

woodcdi on August 31, 2014 at 12:09 PM

really? my appliances?? well here’s a suggestion for you… phuck off.

Thank God I just renovated my kitchen before shithead could screw up the performance of my stuff…

dpduq on August 31, 2014 at 12:11 PM

So we’ll have to upgrade all these things before selling the house?

I wonder if this would benefit General Electric. Huh.

Akzed on August 31, 2014 at 12:19 PM

woodcdi on August 31, 2014 at 12:09 PM

Please elaborate.

Akzed on August 31, 2014 at 12:21 PM

And BTW, those expensive squiggly bulbs that make inferior light – I’ve noticed that the burn out just about as quickly as the old ones. I was told they would last a really really long time.

I hear that a lot. But, I also do not see it. I am in the the field of energy conservation; I do surveys of large facilities and spec a lot of energy saving lamps, including CFLs.

They are NOT burning out just as often as incandescent lamps unless people are trying to run them through dimmers, or through home control systems like X-10. For technical reasons beyond the scope of this discussion, the lamps don’t work right in those circumstances.

As for the new home appliances: the only ones where I have noticed a deterioration in performance is refrigerators. The dead-band range seems broader than it used to be; they are too expensive, and often are noisy. On the other hand, I find the washers and dishwashers do their jobs well. I use the correct detergents and read the instructions.

CelebrateHomogeneity on August 31, 2014 at 12:39 PM

The government is always looking for the hardest ways to “stimulate the economy by saving consumers money on their energy bills that they can spend elsewhere.” The easiest fix to get the pipeline going so energy cost go down and workers have more money to spend. Is there no way congress can review regulations and adjust them or do the regulators run the government and not the people.

Release on August 31, 2014 at 12:40 PM

But, what I really want to know is, does the DoE have a SWAT team for enforcement?

Fallon on August 31, 2014 at 10:41 AM

Why, yes, they do.

Solaratov on August 31, 2014 at 12:44 PM

What is this going to do to low-income renters?

RBMN on August 31, 2014 at 10:02 AM

Economic patriotism demands that you will be paying for their appliance assistance.

Star Bird on August 31, 2014 at 1:02 PM

by the way, particularly for CelebrateHomogeneity on August 31, 2014 at 12:39 PM, With all these new semi-working appliances, it pays to get surge protectors for each appliance or for the whole house. Used to be that inefficient refrigerator lasted for 20 years. Now everything is electronic, not American designed electronic. The dumb repairman will just charge you for many trips and parts, when if you install SPs you may lose some unwanted or unneeded functions, but you can still make the appliance do, with a little irritation.

Now for you dear sir, I am also an engineer, metallurgical type, but have run Aerospace electronics laboratories, My appliances corrode, have bad connections, the micro-switches don’t last. The average homeowner shouldn’t require advanced degrees to have a dish or clothes washer or refrigerator. The same people that made my refrigerator made my cell phone. I realize that all the teeny boppers love the phone because they have to get rid of it after a year, but the phone stinks too.

I don’t think it is going to get any better soon, because the new crop of engineers in this country either have an education in government schools, or they think in Urdu. The future holds a world of hurt for everyone. Has it occurred to anyone that the government is doing this to protect the American Oligarcs and Cronys who have taken the money and left an empty infrastructure?

Old Country Boy on August 31, 2014 at 1:07 PM

I don’t know what water heaters cost in other states but the cheapest 40 gal. gas HW heater you can get here in the People’s Republic of Mexifornia runs around $460.I do not get permits to replace it if at all possible,with the cost of the permit and CARB fees attatched to it runs around $250-$300.We own several rentals (41) and it is a huge expense every time one goes out.Try explaining rent increases to tenants is like explaining war strategy to Obama, they just don’t get it.

jeffinsjvca on August 31, 2014 at 1:16 PM

HonestLib on August 31, 2014 at 11:42 AM

I assume that Mrs HL doesn’t read HotAir.

Cindy Munford on August 31, 2014 at 11:48 AM

She does and joined the same time I did. Her nic is drawroF, but I don think she has ever posted. She reads my comments and sends me text messages to shut the heck up all the time. When I know she is lurking I will made some “near the edge” comment that is really mean for her. Friday night I had a comment to Newtie about oral gel and it really was for The Wife. Yep, when she saw oral gel I got a stern warning to shut up. Nope, that was when I started yapping about menopause.

I heard her stomping and with seconds she ventured down to the man-cave to deliver the message in person.

HonestLib on August 31, 2014 at 1:20 PM

Having solved all other problems, Obama to fix your dishwasher

Our new oh-so-modern dishwasher I am convinced “washes” a full load on a single half-cup of lukewarm water and “soap” that probably wouldn’t properly clean a mid-sized dog.

That’s why I have to make sure the dishes aren’t too dirty before I put them in.

Dr. ZhivBlago on August 31, 2014 at 2:22 PM

November 2014, politically.

Schadenfreude on August 31, 2014 at 2:23 PM

Looking forward to my solar powered dishwasher1

KenInIL on August 31, 2014 at 2:24 PM

Roasting marshmallows, perfectly…while the land/world go to hell.

Schadenfreude on August 31, 2014 at 2:24 PM

Please elaborate.

Akzed on August 31, 2014 at 12:21 PM

Just do it and listen. Those new machines send out radio (microwave, most likely) signals. From what I’ve heard, they communicate with the “smart meters” the electric companies are installing nowadays.

Woody

woodcdi on August 31, 2014 at 2:35 PM

Empowering cat calls

Schadenfreude on August 31, 2014 at 2:43 PM

Wrong thread

Schadenfreude on August 31, 2014 at 2:45 PM

The “dishes” are getting spotty since Obama’s rinse agents David Gregory and Diane Sawyer got fired….

viking01 on August 31, 2014 at 3:03 PM

Banning appliances would also reduce the consumption of energy. So would banning computers and vibrators (which are, I suppose, an appliance but are deserving of their own category).

Somehow, the nitwits in the administration believe that technology and science can be dictated by a pen (no phone needed). If they declare that something should be so, it will be so…

Sounds a little like another story, from Genesis. Which might explain where this thinking comes from… the same fool who was going to part the oceans with a wave of his 9 iron.

IndieDogg on August 31, 2014 at 3:11 PM

As for the new home appliances: the only ones where I have noticed a deterioration in performance is refrigerators.

CelebrateHomogeneity on August 31, 2014 at 12:39 PM

When looking to upgrade the 20 y.o. well working GE refrigerator, I like probably everybody else did research on maintenance issues. A common theme among the malcontents giving low star counts on their purchase had everything to do with the electronics.

Along with the purchase, I bought active line conditioners to go between the outlet and the appliance. Big boxes that funky electricity goes in, and clean electricity comes out.

Eats spikes, erratic line voltages and it filters out any possible outgoing data transmissions put on the power line.

It should also be noted that the Fe’ral government changed regulations to the energy industry to accommodate wind and solar feeds, particularly in terms of frequency. Your house air-conditioner blower and compressor motor are designed to expect 60Hz, the government now allows variations in that which means that those motors are working harder outside their optimized operating parameters. This means that they heat up and waste energy. Some A/C compressors will get so hot from the extra load and improper frequency that they heat up the bearings and bring about premature failure.

I’m guessing that the new and improved appliances are engineered to work within a spectrum of power line frequencies, making them inherently less efficient yet able to survive the warranty period.

You can thank the blessing of Green Energy for this backwards step.

Reuben Hick on August 31, 2014 at 3:17 PM

Eh. They’ve already damn near ruined dishwashers by removing phosphates from the detergents to protect some poor, defenseless fish who were being harmed by too much algae. At least they’re finishing what they started.

Shump on August 31, 2014 at 3:29 PM

woodcdi on August 31, 2014 at 2:35 PM

Yes, the smart meters do know the electric usage of specific appliances in houses, been a while since i read about it so i can’t remember how, but i assume the data is sent over the power lines just like broadband is sent over power lines. Seems pretty invasive especially when combined with the idea that’s gaining more and more popularity of using that data to cut power off from houses during peak usage times.

clearbluesky on August 31, 2014 at 3:36 PM

I guess it is the same with everything. Our house was built in 1998 and we have replaced the entire HVAC system in 2005. That’s crazy. I don’t know if it is Florida or what but in Virginia you kept your furnace and a/c for decades. DECADES!!!! And as for this efficiencey crap…..anyone seen their electric bills go down? Ever?

Cindy Munford on August 31, 2014 at 11:47 AM

Mass Save is a free energy audit program running in Massachusetts.

They found our insulation needs work, replaced a few bulbs with LED, and um.. found two gas leaks, and some CO way higher than it should be.

They estimate we’ll save roughly $700/yr, and viewing the previous owner’s bills, I don’t doubt it.

triple on August 31, 2014 at 3:40 PM

They won’t be happy until we’re all sitting around in the cold and dark, cleaning dishes in the used bath water while we munch on twigs and berries. Will there be a govt program to provide these new and wonderful appliances to the illegals cuz otherwise they may leave and go home.

Kissmygrits on August 31, 2014 at 3:42 PM

Eh. They’ve already damn near ruined dishwashers by removing phosphates from the detergents to protect some poor, defenseless fish who were being harmed by too much algae. At least they’re finishing what they started.

Shump on August 31, 2014 at 3:29 PM

Found a way around that-just go to Lowe’s or Home Depot. You can get a box of phosphate there no problem. Just add some to your regular dishwasher detergent.

Del Dolemonte on August 31, 2014 at 3:45 PM

Having solved all other problems, Obama to fix your dishwasher

Shouldn’t it be your dryer, considering how his polls have “tumbled”?

Dr. Charles G. Waugh on August 31, 2014 at 3:50 PM

I would rather the government mandate that my new thing-a-ma-bob should work great and last forever.

New designs have flaws and recalls…that is what is happening with Obama’s rushed insistence on CAFE standards, put it on the market quick and find out if it works, later.

When Cash for Clunkers happened, you could buy a Nissan Versa for $10K, now five years later it’s $15K’ the Sentra is $20K and it was $15K back then. Not to pick on these brands, I just know these two in my head. Nobody is making 25% more in salary; and now the average car purchase is just around $30K. From their monkeying around with everything.

I want my lightbulbs back, I want quality products that last, I don’t want so much junk from China, I want bath towels that last 20 years. I have two bath towels from 1980, that still exist! And they were made in America by Royal Velvet.

I want my Ivory Snow soapflakes the government took away. I want my old laundry detergent that worked great. I want pork with fat in it. Why do they have to meddle in my stuff?

Fleuries on August 31, 2014 at 4:19 PM

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