New York’s new gun laws returning unexpected results

posted at 11:31 am on August 30, 2014 by Jazz Shaw

Genevieve Wood of the Heritage Foundation reports on a piece of news about the Empire State which came as a surprise even to me. (And it’s a subject near and dear to my heart, particularly in recent months, but more on that below.) If you had to guess which state in the US has the largest single chapter membership for the National Rifle Association and it’s associated groups, what would you say? Texas? Georgia? Good guesses, but actually it’s New York. (See update below)

In just one year, the New York State Rifle & Pistol Association saw its membership almost double – from 22,000 to 41,000. The National Rifle Association credits the increase to the “Safe Act” (Safe Ammunition and Firearms Enforcement Act), one of the strictest gun control laws in the country, hurriedly pushed through by Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo and the state legislature in 2013 following the Newtown, Conn., school shootings.

The NRA says the law is “a largely cosmetic legislative offering” that “instantly turned hundreds of thousands of New Yorkers into potential felons.”

When Governor Cuomo rushed through The NY SAFE Act in the wake of Newtown, he probably thought he would be providing all sorts of benefits for people, but swelling the dues paying ranks of the NRA likely wasn’t one of them. But those weren’t the only people finding new opportunities in the wake of this legislation. As Wood also notes, just this past week 105 employees at Remington Arms got the opportunity to either move elsewhere explore the many options in the public assistance system when their jobs were moved to Alabama.

I’ve been writing about the weapons related companies who have been packing up and moving out of New York for a couple of years, but now the changes have hit home at what is arguably New York’s oldest, flagship company. (And speaking as someone who grew up within bike riding distance of the Remington plant, I can assure you that if they left the state entirely, the village of Ilion, New York would dry up and collapse.) The response to this news from the Governor’s office was nothing short of hilarious.

In February, when Remington announced it would be opening a new plant in Alabama one of Cuomo’s “spokesguys” (that is how he describes himself on his Twitter page) said that “no Remington jobs are leaving NY.”

This was Rich Azzopardi’s full tweet from February 15: “Some are misinformed, others gleefully spreading misinformation, but to be clear, no Remington jobs are leaving NY.”

Sounds like the only folks who turned out to be “misinformed” and “spreading misinformation” are the folks in Cuomo’s office.

While Cuomo continues to claim the layoffs are simply “a function of Remington consolidating operations all across the country,” those who lost their jobs see it differently.

“You can’t blame them [Remington] when a state’s welcoming you with open arms and your home [state], they’re kicking you out the door,” said laid off worker Corey Etwell.

As I mentioned, this subject is of even more interest to me than usual this summer. Ed Morrissey and I talked about this briefly on his show a few weeks back, but I’m still in the midst of a tug of war with the New York Division of Criminal Justice Services over getting some of the numbers regarding gun owners affected by this law. I’ve run into the same situation which Genevieve Wood describes in her article (and what I’ve heard from multiple local reporters), which is that these people do not like to talk about these numbers. And they seem to go to great efforts to avoid doing so, but I’m still pressing the case. Hopefully I’ll be back to you all with details in the near future.

This article was amended to indicate the largest single chapter membership in the state, not overall state membership as was originally stated.


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Unintended consequences.
How many time have we heard that?

LeftCoastRight on August 30, 2014 at 11:38 AM

Oh, and by the way. If the NRA wouldn’t back such measures as protecting the right to hunt elephants they might have a chance of gaining more acceptance.

LeftCoastRight on August 30, 2014 at 11:40 AM

They’d gladly give you the numbers Jazz, but unfortunately the governor’s hard drive crashed!

Uh…not buying that?

Um….how about ROGUE AGENTS! Yeah, that’s it! ROGUE AGENTS passed the ‘Safe Act’!

GarandFan on August 30, 2014 at 11:40 AM

My in-laws live a few miles from the Remington plant outside Little Rock. It’s busy 24/7.

Charlemagne on August 30, 2014 at 11:43 AM

…these people do not like to talk about these numbers.

So, make up some numbers and use them. ‘They’ can always get back to you with the correct figures.

PersonFromPorlock on August 30, 2014 at 11:48 AM

Think about how many shoes, coats, and school supplies could be provided to homeless children simply by selling those firearms to legal purchasers.
 
I bet there are at least a dozen $2000K+ collectors item pieces in that pile.

rogerb on August 30, 2014 at 11:51 AM

Oops. 000 or K, take your pick of your preferred correction.
 
$2K+ is my choice.

rogerb on August 30, 2014 at 11:52 AM

Oh, and by the way. If the NRA wouldn’t back such measures as protecting the right to hunt elephants they might have a chance of gaining more acceptance.

LeftCoastRight on August 30, 2014 at 11:40 AM

Outside of PBS, the real-world human equivalents of elephant herds and lion prides are the Tourists From Hell (who trash the place) and biker gangs.

PersonFromPorlock on August 30, 2014 at 11:52 AM

Reminds me of that line from Star Wars: “The more you tighten your grip Tark, the more star systems slip through your fingers.”

Freedom loving individuals in this nation will continue to take a stand against tyranny wherever it raises its progressive head.

fragglerock61 on August 30, 2014 at 11:54 AM

Hmmm, looking at that picture–I wonder how many of those cops and fireman found themselves a nice gun in that pile while no one was looking…

Doc Holliday on August 30, 2014 at 11:55 AM

I think the sort of people who would vote for Cuomo and the legislators that would craft a bill like this should be disarmed. In the event of a real emergency, they are much more likely to be removed from the gene pool, benefiting all the rest of us.

trigon on August 30, 2014 at 11:57 AM

I bet there are at least a dozen $2000K+ collectors item pieces in that pile.

rogerb on August 30, 2014 at 11:51 AM

Yes – But, that cover photo is from a news article about Chinese police confiscating illegal guns.
That photo is not in the US – jus’ sayin’.

dentarthurdent on August 30, 2014 at 12:01 PM

Oh, and by the way. If the NRA wouldn’t back such measures as protecting the right to hunt elephants they might have a chance of gaining more acceptance.

LeftCoastRight on August 30, 2014 at 11:40 AM

So far the most successful elephant conservation efforts have involved giving locals “ownership” of the herd nearest them and allowing them to make money from hunters who are brought in cull the herd as necessary. With ownership and therefore value, the locals protect the herds from poachers and keep them at sustainable numbers.

dentarthurdent on August 30, 2014 at 12:05 PM

Oh, and by the way. If the NRA wouldn’t back such measures as protecting the right to hunt elephants they might have a chance of gaining more acceptance.

LeftCoastRight on August 30, 2014 at 11:40 AM

Acceptance by whom? I guess they’re pretty accepted in NY State, even if most of the GOP elephants in NY are now extinct.

rhombus on August 30, 2014 at 12:06 PM

I bet there are at least a dozen $2000K+ collectors item pieces in that pile.
 
rogerb on August 30, 2014 at 11:51 AM

 
Yes – But, that cover photo is from a news article about Chinese police confiscating illegal guns.
That photo is not in the US – jus’ sayin’.
 
dentarthurdent on August 30, 2014 at 12:01 PM

 
Good timing. I was just typing this:
 

Anyone know where the photo was pulled from? I’d like to see more detail. Here’s the largest I found:
 

http://politicalillusionsexposed.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Gunconf.jpg

 
It looks like they’re pouring some sort of super hot burning metal-melting kerosene on them, too.

 
I remember reading about a buyback turn-in in NC where someone brought in a Thompson submachine gun to be sawed in half after the legal owner had died.

rogerb on August 30, 2014 at 12:09 PM

FACTS are the enemy of TRUTH!

B.A.Freeman on August 30, 2014 at 12:10 PM

Acceptance by whom? I guess they’re pretty accepted in NY State, even if most of the GOP elephants in NY are now extinct.

rhombus on August 30, 2014 at 12:06 PM

A hunting season for RINO elephants and donkeys would go a long way toward solving many of our problems – those herds are are just way too big now.

dentarthurdent on August 30, 2014 at 12:11 PM

I remember reading about a buyback turn-in in NC where someone brought in a Thompson submachine gun to be sawed in half after the legal owner had died.

rogerb on August 30, 2014 at 12:09 PM

That person should have been shot….

dentarthurdent on August 30, 2014 at 12:13 PM

It looks like they’re pouring some sort of super hot burning metal-melting kerosene on them, too.

rogerb on August 30, 2014 at 12:09 PM

That stuff doesn’t work.
I have it on reliable authority that metal doesn’t melt until you get it to something like 2 million degrees – like the core of the earth……

dentarthurdent on August 30, 2014 at 12:15 PM

Leftist thugs are soooo dumb.

Imagine Ted Cruz as president.

Schadenfreude on August 30, 2014 at 12:20 PM

Unintended Consequences.
How many time have we heard read that?

LeftCoastRight on August 30, 2014 at 11:38 AM

Kenosha Kid on August 30, 2014 at 12:22 PM

Oh, and by the way. If the NRA wouldn’t back such measures as protecting the right to hunt elephants they might have a chance of gaining more acceptance. LeftCoastRight on August 30, 2014 at 11:40 AM

Are you going to protest the unicorn herd thinning upstate next month?

Akzed on August 30, 2014 at 12:27 PM

Oops. 000 or K, take your pick of your preferred correction.

$2K+ is my choice.

rogerb on August 30, 2014 at 11:52 AM

We keep printing money, oh wait excuse me, if we continue or policy of quantitative easing, we may soon be measuring daily purchases in kilobucks.

Fenris on August 30, 2014 at 12:28 PM

Actions have reactions and consequences.

Leftists are always controlling thugs, never liberal or progressive.

Schadenfreude on August 30, 2014 at 12:31 PM

I remember reading about a buyback turn-in in NC where someone brought in a Thompson submachine gun to be sawed in half after the legal owner had died.
 
rogerb on August 30, 2014 at 12:09 PM

 
That person should have been shot….
 
dentarthurdent on August 30, 2014 at 12:13 PM

 
I think about that every time hear/read about the topic. Imagine the authentic Whitworths, Garands, and who knows how many and exactly what other perfectly safe, perfectly legal, and irreplaceable pieces that are crushed, sawn, and burnt every year.

rogerb on August 30, 2014 at 12:32 PM

If the NRA wouldn’t back such measures as protecting the right to hunt elephants they might have a chance of gaining more acceptance. LeftCoastRight on August 30, 2014 at 11:40 AM

The NRA has 5,000,000 members. As mentioned in the article, its biggest state is NY. You know why? Every time someone doesn’t join the NRA, a puppy dies.

Akzed on August 30, 2014 at 12:33 PM

If the NRA wouldn’t back such measures as protecting the right to hunt elephants they might have a chance of gaining more acceptance.
 
LeftCoastRight on August 30, 2014 at 11:40 AM

 
I couldn’t agree more. Elephant herds were hunting to extinction in the U.S. in large part because of the NRA.

rogerb on August 30, 2014 at 12:36 PM

I remember reading about a buyback turn-in in NC where someone brought in a Thompson submachine gun to be sawed in half after the legal owner had died.

rogerb on August 30, 2014 at 12:09 PM

That person should have been shot….

dentarthurdent on August 30, 2014 at 12:13 PM

Back around 1968 I lived in Vallejo California, just North of San Francisco. The then mayor of San Francisco, Joe Alioto, orchestrated a no questions gun turn in. Just turn in your guns and they’d be destroyed no questions asked. Typical leftard idea that was full of unintended but predictable results. Every gun in the area and from several other localities that had been used in a crime got dumped on a table in front of some police precinct in San Fran and were subsequently destroyed. Well mostly. I remember seeing on one news report an older lady turning in a set of beautiful match shotguns. Engraved and hand crafted, truly high end pieces of art. The reporter asked her about the guns and she answered that they belonged to her husband. The reporter then asked how she had convinced him to turn those beautiful guns in. She replied “Oh, he doesn’t know yet. I just want them out of the house. I’ll tell him when he gets home from work.” I turned to my wife and told her that there was going to be another murder in San Francisco tonight. I’m sure those shotguns never made it to the furnace. Probably ended up in some police captain’s gun case. Hell maybe even Alioto’s.

Oldnuke on August 30, 2014 at 12:45 PM

Gun inversion to gun laws.

Kissmygrits on August 30, 2014 at 12:45 PM

Oh, and by the way. If the NRA wouldn’t back such measures as protecting the right to hunt elephants they might have a chance of gaining more acceptance.

LeftCoastRight on August 30, 2014 at 11:40 AM

Just did a search and could not find any proof that the NRA supports protecting the right to hunt elephants.

Can you kindly provide some?

I did find this:

In past Grassroots Alerts, we addressed the Obama Administration’s proposal to ban the trade and sale of legally owned ivory within the United States (click here to see the initial alert). The NRA supports efforts to stop poaching and the illegal trade of ivory. However, banning lawfully-owned domestic ivory will have no impact on elephant poaching in Africa. On the contrary, such a ban would affect only honest, law-abiding Americans by making their possessions valueless.

Since when is that a NRA statement in support of elephant hunting? Doesn’t read that way here on Planet Earth…

Del Dolemonte on August 30, 2014 at 12:50 PM

’m still in the midst of a tug of war with the New York Division of Criminal Justice Services over getting some of the numbers regarding gun owners affected by this law.

Don’t give up. And have a camera/recorder running whenever you talk to the bastards. One video is worth a thousand words.

Gearbox on August 30, 2014 at 12:54 PM

I remember seeing on one news report an older lady turning in a set of beautiful match shotguns. Engraved and hand crafted, truly high end pieces of art. The reporter asked her about the guns and she answered that they belonged to her husband. The reporter then asked how she had convinced him to turn those beautiful guns in. She replied “Oh, he doesn’t know yet. I just want them out of the house. I’ll tell him when he gets home from work.”…
 
Oldnuke on August 30, 2014 at 12:45 PM

 
That’s sickening.
 
Maybe the husband paid for some new pieces with some of her jewelry.

rogerb on August 30, 2014 at 12:55 PM

“They can have my guns when they pry them from my cold, dead hands.”

The love of liberty in this country is alive and flourishing. The more that aspiring tyrants attempt to impose constrictions on that liberty, the more Americans will resist.
Beware the unintended consequences of attempting to diminish the liberties of free men.

bobthm3 on August 30, 2014 at 12:58 PM

Personally, I think it’s the people of NY that need the locks.

OldEnglish on August 30, 2014 at 12:58 PM

You stupid knuckledraggers. Cuomo meant no Remington Typewriter” jobs are leaving New York. The democrat douchebag is correct on that.

jukin3 on August 30, 2014 at 12:58 PM

My husband saw this chart on one of the gun sites that he frequents:

The Most Popular eBay Item In Every State

Californians favored high-end women’s accessories, while men’s cologne ruled in New Jersey.

Some states were more practical. People in Ohio purchased outdoor equipment. North Carolina residents spent their money on baby products, while Connecticut customers bought batteries.

Texans ordered “tactical and hunting goods,” while New Yorkers favored firearms.

INC on August 30, 2014 at 1:12 PM

I understand that the .470 Nitro Express is a good choice for elephant hunting. It has two barrels and breaks down like a double-barrel shotgun. And it’s damned heavy. Not exactly an urban assault weapon.

And nobody hunts an elephant with an Uzi, unless they’ve had too much grain alcohol at the local tribal hoedown. Though it might, eventually, do the job.

I expect the elephant-hunting committee of the NRA is quite small, if it exists at all.

IndieDogg on August 30, 2014 at 1:21 PM

I think about that every time hear/read about the topic. Imagine the authentic Whitworths, Garands, and who knows how many and exactly what other perfectly safe, perfectly legal, and irreplaceable pieces that are crushed, sawn, and burnt every year.

rogerb on August 30, 2014 at 12:32 PM
Every time I read topics like this and see pictures of piles of guns turned in for some paltry cash amount, or some misinformed sense of remorse for owning a gun. Shamed if you will, I only see and think what foolish,spineless, weak, beings too willing to give up their God given freedoms to defend themselves. Pathetic!

Bakokitty on August 30, 2014 at 1:21 PM

I understand that the .470 Nitro Express is a good choice for elephant hunting. It has two barrels and breaks down like a double-barrel shotgun. And it’s damned heavy. Not exactly an urban assault weapon.

IndieDogg on August 30, 2014 at 1:21 PM

How about this? Bigger cartridge and 5 shots instead of two.

Oldnuke on August 30, 2014 at 1:32 PM

If you had to guess which state in the US has the largest membership for the National Rifle Association and it’s associated groups, what would you say? Texas? Georgia? Good guesses, but actually it’s New York.

Silly question, but if New York has the largest membership of NRA members, and they only have 41,000, how does the NRA have 5 million members? 50 times 41,000 equals 2,050,000. Are there 3 million members not in the U.S.?

philoquin on August 30, 2014 at 1:40 PM

employees at Remington Arms got the opportunity to either move elsewhere explore the many options in the public assistance system when their jobs were moved to Alabama.

As a Bama girl who still has most of her family there and visits as often as she can, please, if you decide to move with your job, DO NOT BRING NEW YORK ‘VALUES’ WITH YOU.

Thank you.

pannw on August 30, 2014 at 1:44 PM

Silly question, but if New York has the largest membership of NRA members, and they only have 41,000, how does the NRA have 5 million members? 50 times 41,000 equals 2,050,000. Are there 3 million members not in the U.S.?
 
philoquin on August 30, 2014 at 1:40 PM

 
I think you’re reading the state-level firearms ownership group numbers as the national NRA numbers:
 

In just one year, the New York State Rifle & Pistol Association saw its membership almost double – from 22,000 to 41,000.

rogerb on August 30, 2014 at 1:46 PM

Unintended consequences.
How many time have we heard that?

LeftCoastRight on August 30, 2014 at 11:38 AM

Are you sure it was unintended? I was told by one liberal NYer that they were very happy the gun related companies were leaving and that the laid off people can easily find jobs in the growing green sector.

Dr. Frank Enstine on August 30, 2014 at 1:54 PM

I understand that the .470 Nitro Express is a good choice for elephant hunting. It has two barrels and breaks down like a double-barrel shotgun. And it’s damned heavy. Not exactly an urban assault weapon.

IndieDogg on August 30, 2014 at 1:21 PM

How about this? Bigger cartridge and 5 shots instead of two.

Oldnuke on August 30, 2014 at 1:32 PM

Yes, that would probably do it, though the elephant might have to get a lot closer — shorter barrel, no shoulder brace and all that. Those extra shots might come in handy. Let us know how it goes.

IndieDogg on August 30, 2014 at 2:00 PM

If Washington states constitution was not very pro-gun, by now we would have gun laws like the ones you see in New York and California, because the state has been infested by those scum.

As it is, one of the most liberal states in the west has one of the best sets of gun laws.
Shall-issue CCW, no municipality is allowed to enact stricter gun laws than state laws, NO gun or magazine restrictions. It’s great! For Now.

Tard on August 30, 2014 at 2:08 PM

Hell maybe even Alioto’s.

Oldnuke on August 30, 2014 at 12:45 PM

If I hear about a gun turn in around here, I’m going to get a few K (or 000) dollars and hang out in front of the building.

davidk on August 30, 2014 at 2:54 PM

Cuomo has told gun manufacturers, frackers, and Christians that they are unwelcome interlopers in the utopia that is liberal New York. Which is why I am always amused when those propaganda spots run extolling the business-friendly climate of New York. In reality, NY is on the same death spiral as California but New Yorkers are simply too damn caught up in liberal causes to see it.

Happy Nomad on August 30, 2014 at 2:58 PM

I live about 45 minutes east of Ilion,NY and I can tell you that if Remington goes, Ilion goes. There is NOTHING in that part of the state for the former employees to go to. Of course Andy “the rat” Cuomo doesn’t give a damn about us hicks up here in apple-knocker territory. Too many pro-life, pro-2nd amendment types up here and he already said that there is no place for us in NYS.

I can’t wait to get out of here.

Talon on August 30, 2014 at 3:02 PM

My rough estimate is that if the NRA has five million members nationally, then it should have about half a million members in New York State.

(5,000,000 / 330,000,000) x 35,000,000 = 530303

Obviously, lots of other factors here but there’s still room for growth.

PersonFromPorlock on August 30, 2014 at 3:43 PM

That stuff doesn’t work.
I have it on reliable authority that metal doesn’t melt until you get it to something like 2 million degrees – like the core of the earth……

dentarthurdent on August 30, 2014 at 12:15 PM

Your “information” is way off on this one:

Iron, gray cast 2,060-2,200
Steel, Carbon 2,600-2,800
Nickel 2,647
Titanium 3,040

Source: Engineeringtoolbox.com – better than your “reliable authority.”

Core of Earth: 6,000 degrees according to livescience.com

lvtaxman on August 30, 2014 at 4:07 PM

lvtaxman on August 30, 2014 at 4:07 PM

I thought everyone knew about the algore commentary on the temperature of the earth’s core, and the libtard 9-11 conspiracy theorists who said fire can’t melt steel…

So I guess I should have used the old sarc tag afterall….

dentarthurdent on August 30, 2014 at 4:11 PM

Source: Engineeringtoolbox.com – better than your “reliable authority.”

Core of Earth: 6,000 degrees according to livescience.com

lvtaxman on August 30, 2014 at 4:07 PM

New here aren’t you? dentarthurdent is a long timer. Here’s his unimpeachable source. So there. Next you’ll be trying to tell us that fire will melt steel.

Oldnuke on August 30, 2014 at 4:13 PM

I thought everyone knew about the algore commentary on the temperature of the earth’s core, and the libtard 9-11 conspiracy theorists who said fire can’t melt steel…

So I guess I should have used the old sarc tag afterall….

dentarthurdent on August 30, 2014 at 4:11 PM

It’s Ok. I sourced it for you.

Oldnuke on August 30, 2014 at 4:14 PM

Oldnuke on August 30, 2014 at 4:13 PM

LOL!!
I really didn’t think the sarc tag was necessary on that one….

dentarthurdent on August 30, 2014 at 4:14 PM

LOL!!
I really didn’t think the sarc tag was necessary on that one….

dentarthurdent on August 30, 2014 at 4:14 PM

It wasn’t and lvtaxman will either laugh with us or he’ll get all huffy and explain that you can’t readily ID sarcasm on the intertubes. Either way it’s still funny.

Oldnuke on August 30, 2014 at 4:21 PM

Leftist heads explode

Schadenfreude on August 30, 2014 at 4:27 PM

Leftist heads explode

Schadenfreude on August 30, 2014 at 4:27 PM

Wench is obviously a danger to society and doesn’t know her place. Imagine how dangerous the world would be if every woman could just pull a gun and scare some guys who were obviously just pulling a prank. She should be arrested……and racism.

Oldnuke on August 30, 2014 at 4:38 PM

It is not just the jobs at Remington. I used to work at one of the world’s largest brass plants in Buffalo, NY and Remington was a big customer. When they go out of state, the suppliers do not necessarily keep the contract. Shipping brass from up north to the south presents tarnish problems. Cold metal meets high humidity = condensate = corrosion. Plus longer shipping means higher costs. The whole state loses tax revenue.

Cuomo’s law also penalizes people with family members who have
a diagnosis or just treatment for a variety of mental issues that are rather common. Now people are pressed by their families not to seek treatment because it means the whole family loses its firearms. We do not take arms from families with children, we just require locked firearm cabinets or trigger locks. But we discriminate against anyone treated for any mental health issue by turning their families onto them and making their doctors snitches. This is so sad and so needless. Just require all firearms be secured by the actual owner and drop the distinction for families with a member who has ever had treatment for depression or other common malady.

KW64 on August 30, 2014 at 4:46 PM

KW64 on August 30, 2014 at 4:46 PM

The Dems never understand the cosequences of their policies.

Same here in Colorado. A clerk at Sportsmans Warehouse yesterday was saying they could sell a lot more guns, especially AR-15s, but they can’t get them from many manufacturers. Most manufacturers package and ship their AR-15s with one of more standard 30 round magazines – which are now illegal in Colorado – and they don’t want to do special packaging lines with different magazines.
In that case, I’m sure the Dems would be perfectly happy about it if they understood what was happening – but they did cry and whine about losing Magpul from the state.

dentarthurdent on August 30, 2014 at 4:58 PM

Here’s a linky for the NRA sponsored bill:
http://www.salon.com/2014/08/13/the_nra_is_protecting_your_right_to_hunt_elephants/

Here’s a quote from the article:
The NRA found their preferred solution in the form of a pair of Lawful Ivory Protection bills sponsored by Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.) and Rep. Steve Daines (R-Mont.). In a release decrying the administration’s “overreach of authority,” the group called for members to stand up for “honest, law-abiding Americans” wishing to sell their ivory-containing possessions by calling on their representatives to support these bills. Tucked away in the last sentence was a mention of the legislation’s secondary purpose, to protect the right of Americans to legally kill elephants for their ivory.

LeftCoastRight on August 30, 2014 at 6:48 PM

NY is also home to the Ithaca Gun Company. I sooooo want an Ithaca 20 gauge.

They do some very beautiful pieces, so it will be a while before I find MINE – likely at a show.

That is where I first saw them, at a show where there was a huge display of older Ithacas. I was in love.

I’ve been to the Remington Arms Factory, they have a small museum on site. We like to go to nearby Herkimer Diamond Mine and scratch around for crystals, and go visit Remington Arms about every other time we are there. Ilion has very little going on, and the move will almost certainly be devastating to the little town. It’s really very sad and never should have come about. Cuomo is personally responsible for that.

GrandeMe on August 30, 2014 at 8:24 PM

hmmm imagine that.
Salon.com adding incorrect editorial comments to a “factual” story?
INCONCEIVABLE!

Zooid on August 31, 2014 at 12:03 AM

Good timing. I was just typing this:

Anyone know where the photo was pulled from? I’d like to see more detail. Here’s the largest I found:

http://politicalillusionsexposed.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Gunconf.jpg

It looks like they’re pouring some sort of super hot burning metal-melting kerosene on them, too.

So this photo is, as best I can tell, of Chinese cops destroying guns in China.
Am I missing something or did the ChiCommies outlaw firearm ownership?
Further proof that Libtards are Commies at heart.
Heck if the NRA were allowed to get members from China I bet their ranks would swell such that they would rival the population of the US.

Bubba Redneck on August 31, 2014 at 12:29 AM

**WARNING** **WARNING**
—Grammar Police Alert—

Use of the word “it’s” in opening paragraph (it’s associated groups) is incorrect. “It’s” is a contraction of the words “it” and “is“. Possessive use of the word it, proper in the noted phrase, should be sans apostrophe, “its“.

NOTE: Repeated incorrect usage of the two words will be met with severe eye rolling. Severe eye rolling.

[For the sense-of-humor challenged, uh, sarcasm alert in effect, ok?]

NeoCon_1 on August 31, 2014 at 3:33 AM

Good ideas seem to be the victim of poor writing here.

The state of New York is home to the greatest number of NRA members AND its state affiliate association, the New York Rifle and Pistol Assn. is growing rapidly.

I live in California and we have a similar group, The California Rifle and Pistol Assn, which does NOT have a membership that is even half of the number of NRA members in the state. Two groups, both with voluntary membership.

NRA’s estimated 5M membership number comes from the number of magazines they distribute. The actual number is hard to pin down as they do not publish the names of members, nor do they sell membership rolls to third parties.

Both the NRA and its affiliates have experienced growth since NY and other states passed or threatened restrictive gun laws. It is just a sign that the greatest American virtue of standing together against tyranny is not dead.

InTheBellyoftheBeast on August 31, 2014 at 10:43 AM

Oh, and by the way. If the NRA wouldn’t back such measures as protecting the right to hunt elephants they might have a chance of gaining more acceptance.

LeftCoastRight on August 30, 2014 at 11:40 AM

There was an article in my NRA magazine a few years ago about the topic of elephants being shot in Africa. I learned that undomesticated, juvenile elephants can and frequently do, destroy crops in a matter of days. Rural villagers depend on those crops as they are likely the only source of fresh food for the people. The elephants are culled when their behavior threatens the very lives of the people – including children – in the villages.

LeftCoastRight – study your facts and then if you want to make an accusation, please provide evidence to substantiate your claim. Schools are open again: do your homework.

InTheBellyoftheBeast on August 31, 2014 at 10:53 AM

NeoCon_1 on August 31, 2014 at 3:33 AM

Grammar Nazi!!!!!

iurockhead on August 31, 2014 at 1:56 PM

Maybe the husband paid for some new pieces with some of her jewelry.

rogerb on August 30, 2014 at 12:55 PM

That’s how I would have funded the divorce, for certain.

If I hear about a gun turn in around here, I’m going to get a few K (or 000) dollars and hang out in front of the building.

davidk on August 30, 2014 at 2:54 PM

Some enterprising folks have done just that – set up an “appraisal” table right outside the turn-in, then offered more money than the turn-in was offering for firearms they thought worth buying. They still ended up buying all the ones they wanted for dimes on the dollar.

GWB on August 31, 2014 at 3:22 PM