Pence: Cheer up — we’re winning!

posted at 4:41 pm on August 29, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

“I’m a Christian, a conservative, and a Republican,” Mike Pence introduced himself to the breakout session at AFP’s Defending the Dream 2014 summit this morning. The topic of the breakout session was government spending and budgetary waste, but the Indiana governor used the opportunity to talk at length about the successes of his first two years in office, including a $2 billion surplus and the fastest-growing educational voucher program in the country. The unspoken context of this presentation ended not so unspoken by the end, after Pence fired up the crowd. “Run for President!” one woman behind me yelled, which offered a bit of a contrast with the mixed feelings that have arisen about Pence of late among the grassroots:

The issue among fiscal conservatives with Pence isn’t about his budget toughness, but the Medicaid expansion from ObamaCare that Pence agreed to adopt in Indiana. Kristina Ribali‘s response to one of my tweets echoed the concern offered to my by a couple of attendees:

Pence didn’t address this issue during the event, but certainly brought up other issues on the conservative agenda. As seen in the tweet above, that “I’m pro-life, and I don’t apologize for it,” Pence declared at one point to a large round of applause. Pence stuck mainly with fiscal conservativism, though, speaking about his opposition to No Child Left Behind and the Medicare Part D expansions of federal government. He emphasized the need to strengthen the federalist model, declaring that it will not be enough to merely cut the budget. The GOP needs to cut the scope and reach of the federal government, too.

However, Pence didn’t entirely skirt around the 2016 campaign, either. “Some say our next President should be a governor,” Pence said at one point, pausing before adding, “I have some sympathy with that sentiment.” The next President, Pence declared, needed to enable the states to handle more of the issues. A governor-turned-President should approach the job by trying to make his or her successor more able to take care of his own state’s citizens by returning authority and capital back to the state governments.

Finally, Pence advised the grassroots to be “happy warriors.” We’re winning, he told the audience, and we need to approach this election with joy rather than dread. There is plenty wrong with American government, but “there is nothing wrong with the American people.”

By the end, Pence had clearly won over this audience. We will see whether he can translate to the larger GOP audience soon.

Update, 8/30 7:40 am: Replaced original video with higher-quality version, and corrected a redundancy in the text.


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facepalm
another idiot big government huckabee-beck repub

you coulda been a contender.

renalin on August 29, 2014 at 4:45 PM

I honestly have no clue how I feel about Mike Pence. I mean, he couldn’t be any worse than the last guy the GOPe made me vote for. Then again, I’m sure that we could probably do better.

joekenha on August 29, 2014 at 4:47 PM

People assume that just because he’s a white guy with white hair that he must be boring, but he’s actually quite charismatic and his communication skills are second to none. He’s the dark horse candidate for 2016.

GOPRanknFile on August 29, 2014 at 4:47 PM

facepalm
another idiot big government huckabee-beck repub

you coulda been a contender.

renalin on August 29, 2014 at 4:45 PM

Not even close.

kcewa on August 29, 2014 at 4:47 PM

“Some say our next President should be a governor,”

I agree with that. Just not sure it should be Pence.

cat_owner on August 29, 2014 at 4:48 PM

There is plenty wrong with American government, but “there is nothing wrong with the American people.”

Sure, thats why we get presidents like Bush and Obama: because there is nothing wrong with the public…

By the end, Pence had clearly won over this audience.

Republicans: a cheap date if there ever was one.

Red Widow on August 29, 2014 at 4:49 PM

I am going to feel so much better if Republicans have a majority in the senate that won’t do a thing to stop Obama instead of having a Republican minority in the senate that won’t do a thing to stop Obama.

VorDaj on August 29, 2014 at 4:51 PM

Not even close.

kcewa on August 29, 2014 at 4:47 PM

if you allow medicaid in your state then obama gets to pick from the plate of every citizen liviing there.

it cedes control to washington for a few stinking shekels.

i can’t support someone like that.

renalin on August 29, 2014 at 4:51 PM

Does Mike Pence still support illegal alien amnesty?
http://m.nationalreview.com/articles/217912/another-no-amnesty-amnesty/mark-krikorian

bluegill on August 29, 2014 at 4:52 PM

People assume that just because he’s a white guy with white hair that he must be boring, but he’s actually quite charismatic and his communication skills are second to none. He’s the dark horse candidate for 2016.
GOPRanknFile on August 29, 2014 at 4:47 PM

Which “people” are you referring to? Is it now acceptable to use “too white” as a pejorative?

What an incredibly racist, anti-white, bigoted thing to say.

bluegill on August 29, 2014 at 4:55 PM

I’m not as big on Pence as I once was. The medicaid expansion was a terrible decision, and he’s supposedly rejecting Common Core while adopting a state system that is essentially Common Core. And the last time I heard, he hadn’t addressed the criticisms of that situation.

He’s starting to look like just another establishment Republican, but with a better PR sensibility when it comes to conservatives. A campaign will flush him out of the brush though, whatever he is.

novaculus on August 29, 2014 at 4:58 PM

bluegill on August 29, 2014 at 4:55 PM

Troll better next time.

There have been Mike Pence threads on here and other sites before, and there are always people saying that he’s just another boring, old, white guy. You’ve become this site’s Al Sharpton with your race hustling. Enough.

GOPRanknFile on August 29, 2014 at 4:58 PM

I don’t want to see another Bush on the ticket, and I don’t want to see Christy. Everybody being mentioned has at one time or another said or done something problematic. But the perfect candidate does not exist. We can pick at the imperfections each of them have until we end up with nothing.

On another thread yesterday somebody quoted George Eliot: “The work of moving the world forward does not wait to be done by perfect men.”

Eliot also said, “It is surely better to pardon too much, than to condemn too much.” Anybody who heads off HRC or whoever gets the Dem nod has got to be a step in the right direction. Including Pence.

fatherspledge on August 29, 2014 at 5:03 PM

There have been Mike Pence threads on here and other sites before, and there are always people saying that he’s just another boring, old, white guy. You’ve become this site’s Al Sharpton with your race hustling. Enough.
GOPRanknFile on August 29, 2014 at 4:58 PM

You apparently accept the racist, anti-white notion that “white=boring, uncool”. You’re the one who brought up Pence’s race, and you brought it up as a negative.

Sorry you’re mad that you got called out on it.

bluegill on August 29, 2014 at 5:03 PM

People assume that just because he’s a white guy with white hair that he must be boring, but he’s actually quite charismatic and his communication skills are second to none. He’s the dark horse candidate for 2016.

GOPRanknFile on August 29, 2014 at 4:47 PM

This is utterly ridiculous. The thing about Pence is that many conservatives had high hopes for him when he went back to Indiana and became Governor. But he wasted no time to disappoint these hopes by devolving into a run-of-the-mill Republican, who toes the useless party-line on immigration and other issues.

This has little to do with his skin colour or him being “boring”.

Red Widow on August 29, 2014 at 5:06 PM

You apparently accept the racist, anti-white notion that “white=boring, uncool”. You’re the one who brought up Pence’s race, and you brought it up as a negative.

Sorry you’re mad that you got called out on it.

bluegill on August 29, 2014 at 5:03 PM

K, relax, Mrs. Sharpton. When did I accept it? All I said was there are people who follow this line of thinking. Obviously, I don’t accept it because I’ve already said on here that Pence (!), Jindal, and Walker. I also supported Romney in the last election. You’re just trying to stir up trouble here, as you usually do.

GOPRanknFile on August 29, 2014 at 5:12 PM

This is utterly ridiculous. The thing about Pence is that many conservatives had high hopes for him when he went back to Indiana and became Governor. But he wasted no time to disappoint these hopes by devolving into a run-of-the-mill Republican, who toes the useless party-line on immigration and other issues.

This has little to do with his skin colour or him being “boring”.

Red Widow on August 29, 2014 at 5:06 PM

You clearly didn’t understand what I was trying to say. Check out other threads where Mike Pence has been the subject. You’ll understand what I’m saying. Did I say that EVERYONE that dislikes Pence or isn’t crazy about him feel that way because of his “skin colour”? No. But many people who do like him (but not sure he could win) or aren’t crazy about him have said something along the lines of “Enough with the boring, old, white guy.”

GOPRanknFile on August 29, 2014 at 5:15 PM

You apparently accept the racist, anti-white notion that “white=boring, uncool”. You’re the one who brought up Pence’s race, and you brought it up as a negative.

Sorry you’re mad that you got called out on it.

bluegill on August 29, 2014 at 5:03 PM

You might want to wipe the foam from your lips and go back and actually read what was said; your original and subsequent retorts have been precisely wrong, presuming the exact opposite of what the OP actually said.

Midas on August 29, 2014 at 5:17 PM

On another thread yesterday somebody quoted George Eliot: “The work of moving the world forward does not wait to be done by perfect men.”

Eliot also said, “It is surely better to pardon too much, than to condemn too much.” Anybody who heads off HRC or whoever gets the Dem nod has got to be a step in the right direction. Including Pence.

fatherspledge on August 29, 2014 at 5:03 PM

While this is true, it is also true that the work of moving the world forward isn’t accomplished by people who have demonstrated that they won’t do that, even if they now smoothly tell you they will.

Midas on August 29, 2014 at 5:19 PM

For the two who think I’m being “anti-white” or making it about “skin colour,” check out this post about Mike Pence:

http://hotair.com/archives/2014/04/16/why-not-mike-pence-in-2016/comment-page-1/#comments

Now, tell me that people haven’t talked about anything I pointed out.

GOPRanknFile on August 29, 2014 at 5:21 PM

All I said was there are people who follow this line of thinking. Obviously, I don’t accept it because I’ve already said on here that Pence (!), Jindal, and Walker. I also supported Romney in the last election. You’re just trying to stir up trouble here, as you usually do.
GOPRanknFile on August 29, 2014 at 5:12 PM

Oh, we all saw what you said.

Guess what, I’m sick of “old white guy” being used as a dirty word and so-called conservatives going right along with it.

We should NOT be validating or accepting or playing along with the “old white guys are bad” narrative. There is an effort to make white people apologetic about being white and to hold up non-white candidates as superior because of their race. This needs to be confronted.

We should be deemphasizing the importance of skin color (and focusing on “content of character”), not reinforcing and accepting bigoted, anti-white notions.

bluegill on August 29, 2014 at 5:22 PM

You might want to wipe the foam from your lips and go back and actually read what was said; your original and subsequent retorts have been precisely wrong, presuming the exact opposite of what the OP actually said.
Midas on August 29, 2014 at 5:17 PM

I saw what he wrote and also what he didn’t write. Failing to call out the anti-white bigotry is accepting and validating it.

bluegill on August 29, 2014 at 5:24 PM

Finally, Pence advised the grassroots to be “happy warriors.” We’re winning, he told the audience, and we need to approach this election with joy rather than dread. There is plenty wrong with American government, but “there is nothing wrong with the American people.”

I am so tired of this happy horse$shit.

There is so much going badly for the American people – not Pence, not politicians and bureaucrats – ordinary people that none of them can come close to understanding.

I’m sick and tired of the lies from all of them.

None of these a$$holes have a grip on reality. They have no idea what the last 6 yrs have been like with a future that looks even more bleak – especially with more self-congratulatory twits like this trying to pump up people who are hanging by a thread.

Cody1991 on August 29, 2014 at 5:26 PM

“There is nothing wrong with the American people.”

Of course there is, but it’s not politically smart to tell the truth in American politics (which is a symptom of what’s wrong with the American people).

itsnotaboutme on August 29, 2014 at 5:31 PM

Thanks for the stir ‘em speech.

Now he can get back to more $pending, more government, more debt. After all he did help with all of that while serving in congre$$.

My decision is made. The GOP has spoken. Thad is the future of the GOP and I will vote for Thad.

After all, Thad ran on the more pork, more food stamp platform and it worked!!

Go Thad Go!!

kringeesmom on August 29, 2014 at 5:32 PM

bluegill on August 29, 2014 at 5:22 PM

Your reading comprehension leaves a lot to be desired, Mrs. Sharpton.

If that’s what you got from what I said, then you need more help than even most people on here thought you needed.

GOPRanknFile on August 29, 2014 at 5:33 PM

I saw what he wrote and also what he didn’t write. Failing to call out the anti-white bigotry is accepting and validating it.

bluegill on August 29, 2014 at 5:24 PM

Sorry, you clearly are unable to read simple text. You’re seeing something you want to see, not what was, in black and white and simple english word choice, actually written.

Midas on August 29, 2014 at 5:38 PM

There is plenty wrong with American government, but “there is nothing wrong with the American people.”

Just who does he think elects the morons?

jnelchef on August 29, 2014 at 5:41 PM

bluegill on August 29, 2014 at 4:55 PM

Troll better next time.

GOPRanknFile on August 29, 2014 at 4:58 PM

This is her “A” game.

She has already decided on who should be the nominee. And it ain’t pence.

Just like she did with Romney she will try her best to demonize all other possible candidates.

I wonder who she will decide to hate as much as Palin this cycle.

cozmo on August 29, 2014 at 5:42 PM

Oh, we all saw what you said.

Guess what, I’m sick of “old white guy” being used as a dirty word and so-called conservatives going right along with it.

We should NOT be validating or accepting or playing along with the “old white guys are bad” narrative. There is an effort to make white people apologetic about being white and to hold up non-white candidates as superior because of their race. This needs to be confronted.

We should be deemphasizing the importance of skin color (and focusing on “content of character”), not reinforcing and accepting bigoted, anti-white notions.

bluegill on August 29, 2014 at 5:22 PM

Holy shit – seriously, you’re either *on* a mind-altering substance, or *off* of one you should be on.

Your comments on this are about as barking moonbat mad as would be someone raving that a preference for vanilla ice cream meant someone was racist.

Did you spend the 10 seconds it would take to go back and read the original post? Good grief.

Midas on August 29, 2014 at 5:42 PM

cozmo on August 29, 2014 at 5:42 PM

Midas on August 29, 2014 at 5:42 PM

Thank you. I was wondering if what I wrote was that confusing. Glad to see that, based on what you two have written, it really wasn’t that confusing at all, and bluegill is just trolling like she always does.

GOPRanknFile on August 29, 2014 at 5:47 PM

Sorry, you clearly are unable to read simple text.

Midas on August 29, 2014 at 5:38 PM

You have to remember, hagfish is in bed alone with her iPhone while posting here.

Holy shit – seriously, you’re either *on* a mind-altering substance, or *off* of one you should be on.

Midas on August 29, 2014 at 5:42 PM

See above. If it wasn’t for the attention she trolls for here, nobody would give her any.

cozmo on August 29, 2014 at 5:47 PM

Advice for the Governor: Don’t Get C0cky, Kid!

Oh, and by the way, the SoCon shtick is getting a little thin. Time for some new material. The world is not blowing up and America’s not stuck in a ditch because of parental notification laws.

Esaus Message on August 29, 2014 at 5:48 PM

GOPRanknFile on August 29, 2014 at 5:47 PM

Oh heck, you are always confusing. If it wasn’t for hagfish and her attention whoring, I might have pounced on you myself.

cozmo on August 29, 2014 at 5:50 PM

Republican Governor Caves on Obamacare; Agrees To Expand Medicaid For Low-Income Residents In Pennsylvania. Is Mike Pence Next?

WASHINGTON — Pennsylvania agreed to expand Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act on Thursday, joining 26 states and the District of Columbia.

Federal regulators accepted a modified proposal from Gov. Tom Corbett (R) that will offer an estimated 500,000 low-income individuals subsidies to purchase private insurance. The plan allows some low-income individuals to be charged premiums for coverage, and permits the number of available benefit plans to be reduced from 14 to two — a “high-risk” option and “low-risk” options — according to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.

Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services Administrator Marilyn B. Tavenner lauded the agreement in a statement, and urged other states to expand Medicaid as well. Corbett is only the 9th Republican governor to sign on.

“Like we are doing in Pennsylvania, HHS and CMS are committed to supporting state flexibility and working with states on innovative solutions that work within the confines of the law to expand Medicaid to low-income individuals,” Tavenner said. “But, unfortunately, millions of Americans are still without Medicaid coverage because their state has yet to act.”

The Republican governor initially sought to require those seeking coverage to be actively searching for jobs, a controversial provision that angered Democrats. Instead, the state will fund and administer a voluntary program that will offer job training and placement services for Pennsylvanians who decide to participate.

More on the details of the agreement, via CMS:

• With this approval and associated agreements, Pennsylvania will become the 28th state, including the District of Columbia, to adopt the Affordable Care Act’s Medicaid expansion. An estimated 500,000 individuals will gain coverage over the life of the demonstration, according to the Pennsylvania.
• Coverage starts in January 2015. No premiums are required for the first year. Premiums begin in 2016 for adults with incomes over 100 percent of the federal poverty level. Premiums must not exceed 2 percent of household income, and no premiums will be charged those whose incomes are below the poverty level.
• Individuals who fail to pay premiums will lose coverage after a required grace period, but they may subsequently reenroll without a waiting period. Beneficiaries who show they are taking action to improve their health, such as by getting regular preventive care check-ups, will pay less for their coverage and care.
• Pennsylvania will use managed care health plans to provide coverage for beneficiaries just as it does now in its current statewide managed care program, known as Health Choices. Federal managed care rules have not been waived, although when commercial standards are at least as robust as the federal rules, Pennsylvania can rely on the commercial standards as they contract with health plans.
• The state will provide benefits that fully comport with federal law; no benefits waiver has been granted. CMS and the state have reached agreement on the overall benefits approach, pending final submission of documents by the state consistent with the agreement that has been reached. Under the law, states have the flexibility to design multiple benefit plans, and Pennsylvania has chosen to establish “high” and a “low” risk benefit plans. People who are medically frail will be enrolled in the high risk plan. Both benefit plans, which will be effectuated through state plan amendments pursuant to agreements reached with the Commonwealth, will meet all applicable federal standards.
• Work requirements and incentives are not approved as part of this waiver. The state plans to fund and administer a separate program to link people gaining coverage under the waiver to job training and placement services for those who choose to participate. Health coverage will not be affected.
• The expansion is paid for with 100 percent federal funds through 2016. Federal funding rates gradually decline beginning in 2017, but never fall below 90 percent of costs.

Ned Pepper on August 29, 2014 at 5:50 PM

Oh heck, you are always confusing. If it wasn’t for hagfish and her attention whoring, I might have pounced on you myself.

cozmo on August 29, 2014 at 5:50 PM

Good to see that we agree on bluegill and that the feeling is still mutual on how confusing we often find each other, even if we disagree on other matters. :)

GOPRanknFile on August 29, 2014 at 6:00 PM

We’ll see if the GOP can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory yet again as Hoosier traitor Lugar & his vile crowd did. Only vile, mendacious, baby butcher bigotry fingers Mourdock’s true, even if clumsy, prolife comments as the most significant reason for his loss vs the real loss of GOP support by vile self-serving traitor Lugar & his crowd. Ironic none of Mourdoc’s alleged “allies” contested typically mendacious Donnelly’s vile religious bigotry forcing his vile, arrogant religious views of abortion on citizens claiming it superior to Mourdock’s.

russedav on August 29, 2014 at 6:43 PM

The issue among fiscal conservatives with Pence isn’t about his budget toughness, but the Medicaid expansion from ObamaCare that Pence agreed to adopt in Indiana. Kristina Ribali‘s response to one of my tweets echoed the concern offered to my by a couple of attendees:

While there is something to this argument, it ignores the fact that the Healthy Indiana Plan has been around longer than Obamacare. It also buys into the Administration’s spin on the proposal, and doesn’t address the fact that the feds may not sign off on it due to the differences between HIP and traditional CMS programs. I’m sure there will be time to hash all this out if he actually runs, though.

From your link:

Pence intends to build the expansion on top of an existing state program called the Healthy Indiana Plan, and his office took great pains to distance the effort from an embrace of the core provision of Obamacare. In fact, a summary of the proposal describes it as a move to “eliminate traditional Medicaid” for non-disabled Hoosiers.

“Expanding the Healthy Indiana Plan will alleviate the coverage gap created by the Affordable Care Act,” according to Pence’s office.

Yet the Obama administration labeled his move a “Medicaid coverage expansion.” It praised Pence, a vocal critic of Obamacare, for taking steps to join the states that have gone down the same path.

cs89 on August 29, 2014 at 7:00 PM

Pence isn’t perfect, but he’s pretty darn good.

MT on August 29, 2014 at 7:10 PM

Medicaid expansion is one of the real important issues-Pence=Fail! Just another spineless RINO.

redware on August 29, 2014 at 9:14 PM

Oh, and by the way, the SoCon shtick is getting a little thin. Time for some new material. The world is not blowing up and America’s not stuck in a ditch because of parental notification laws.

Esaus Message on August 29, 2014 at 5:48 PM

I would argue that ‘parental notification laws’ or more precisely not allowing them, and other signs of immorality and social decay (ie the reasons for the need for the SoCon shtick) are exactly why the world is blowing up.

Who, having known the justice of God, did not understand that they who do such things, are worthy of death; and not only they that do them, but they also that consent to them that do them. Romans 1 are us.

That’s why I will take a solid pro-life SoCon with a fiscal blunder or even two, over a rock solid fiscal con/social lib, ie greedy libertine, any day of the week and twice on election day.

I want Governor Bobby Jindal, but I certainly wouldn’t stay home if it is Pence.

pannw on August 30, 2014 at 1:25 AM

This tanked Pence for me

I asked Pence whether he really thought it was a wise policy, a conservative policy, to expand a welfare entitlement to subsidize able-bodied childless adults by taking money from hardworking taxpayers in other states – he said of course it is, or he wouldn’t have proposed it. So there’s that.

nobar on August 30, 2014 at 9:36 AM

i am willing to give Pence the benefit of the doubt out in post rust belt, living in the Obama New Normal economy. There are a lot of choices people don’t like, and I bet, i know, there are a lot of conservative thinking people, that don’t stand on their principles and refuse government help when they are choosing between crashing and burning and hanging on til maybe the next election.

Who ever told Veterans to believe that every medical care they needed would be paid for by the government? They knew they had to travel there and they knew it would be something that was life or death that would make them make the effort. It wasn’t supposed to be medical care for your toe fungus or selective choices. But now perfectly good conservatives think you can make an exception to calling Total government medical care for Veterans fine and dandy. It was never that. It was emergency care, it was a physical, you did not run there for no good reason because they were placed regionally.

So, my point: everyone has their own set of exceptions. The family that does not want the unmarried daughter living at home with a child, forces the standard that welfare is acceptable for unmarried mothers. It’s ok, everybody does it. And can a governor let babies starve?

Pence is stuck running a state in an era of federal government expectations, especially from those who have lost everything during Obama. I look at Ohio and I know the midwest is still struggling, the best people have run away and those that are left are even more desperate, and wanting from the faceless feds.

Your court puts gay marriage on the table and forces it, and conservatives don’t have a say; Pro choice abortion is legislated, do we blame our conservative governors for that?

Rubio went out on a limb trying to fix immigration…it shouldn’t have been like that, the republicans should have had their own plan, but popular sentiment in the base, won’t let them go there. He won’t compromise again, each one has to see for themselves that it is a mess…Reagan never got the promises that were made to him…first the amnesty then the…forget it!

There needs to be a lot of forgiveness and clear thinking. In a better world, Pense can make even better choices, with conservatives at the helm. Just beware that people with their own agenda and their own candidate, perhaps Rand Paul, don’t want you to think anything nice about Pense.

Fleuries on August 30, 2014 at 11:32 AM

I agree that the next President should be a governor, or at least someone who has had experience running very large organizations, preferably with international operations. No more ideologues from the Senate, please.

crosspatch on August 30, 2014 at 12:22 PM

For you people who bash Pence and Kasich on this issue, let me ask you all something. Did you return your $600 stimulus checks Bush sent you?

Medical access for people with limited means is a huge problem in this country. Kasich and Pence have to deal with the cards that they were dealt. Standing on principle is great, but if the federal government is giving you something, you are stupid not to take it.

EnzyteBob on August 30, 2014 at 12:22 PM