Open thread: Semi-retired president to address something he saw on the news today about Ukraine at 4 p.m. ET; Update: “Ongoing incursion”; Update: No strategy yet on ISIS

posted at 4:01 pm on August 28, 2014 by Allahpundit

Concern will be expressed, disappointment will be felt, and a grim air of deja vu will pervade the scene. You know how this goes. How many of these has he done since Putin started playing his “those aren’t our guys, those are ‘separatists’” game earlier this year? If there are any Russian billionaires left to sanction, I take it by the end of the week a-sanctioned they will be.

Samantha Power minced no words today at the UN in describing what Russia’s up to. Well, almost no words: The word “invasion” has suddenly vanished from her vocabulary, as it has for every other major U.S. diplomat. The impulse there, I suppose, is that the White House feels obliged to poke the bear a little as a matter of American prestige but they’re terrified of how far the new czar might go in Ukraine if he gets poked too hard. “Incursion” and “escalation” are less ominous, and less permanent, than ‘invasion.” Putin has bet so much of his own domestic prestige now on dominating Ukraine that he may have decided that he simply can’t afford to be seen as having lost there. If that means an invasion by inches until there are tens of thousands of Russia troops in the field and the country’s east is secure, then that’s what it means.

No one knows yet which other topics are on O’s agenda. Could be he’ll have an update on ISIS too. There’s news breaking as I write this that James Foley and three other hostages were waterboarded by ISIS while in captivity. I’m expecting some very smart commentary from some very important thinkfluencers on how people known for literally crucifying some of their prisoners never would have done that if the U.S. hadn’t done it to Khaled Sheikh Mohammed first. Or maybe the smart take will be that using waterboarding to try to obtain intelligence from a guy who masterminded flying planes into the Twin Towers is morally indistinguishable from doing it to an infidel journalist for funsies. We’ll see. Hope O takes questions so he can be asked about it.

Update: A smart point, via Noah:

Update: Don’t poke the bear. He might poke back harder.

Update: Everyone knew this already but I didn’t expect quite so much candor:

Update: He’s hitting some long home runs today.


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Start time? I guess 4:15

Mike Morrissey on August 28, 2014 at 4:02 PM

Obama deploys his most effective weapon:

Rhetoric

BobMbx on August 28, 2014 at 4:02 PM

American journalist executed by Islamic State
4m

At least 4 hostages held in Syria by the Islamic State, including James Foley, were waterboarded in the early part of their captivity, according to people familiar with the treatment of the kidnapped Westerners – @washingtonpost
Read more on washingtonpost.com

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/captives-held-by-islamic-state-were-waterboarded/2014/08/28/2b4e1962-2ec9-11e4-9b98-848790384093_story.html

canopfor on August 28, 2014 at 3:49 PM

canopfor on August 28, 2014 at 3:52 PM

canopfor on August 28, 2014 at 4:03 PM

I’ll check back after my nap.

Bmore on August 28, 2014 at 4:03 PM

Obama deploys his most effective weapon:

Rhetoric

BobMbx on August 28, 2014 at 4:02 PM

He’s going to issue an executive hashtag.

Walter L. Newton on August 28, 2014 at 4:04 PM

Hopeys Presser Linky:

Next Up…
August 28, 2014 4:00 PM EDT

President Obama Delivers a Statement

The White House

http://www.whitehouse.gov/live

canopfor on August 28, 2014 at 3:46 PM

canopfor on August 28, 2014 at 4:04 PM

What he saw on the news was probably the 25th Russian invasion announced by Kiev over the last 3 months. I don’t think Obama has even gone golfing that many times during those 3 months, although it’s probably close.

VorDaj on August 28, 2014 at 4:04 PM

Semi-retired – never gets old

gophergirl on August 28, 2014 at 4:04 PM

Zeke Miller @ZekeJMiller · 45s

Waiting for Obama

https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller/status/505082913650921472/photo/1

canopfor on August 28, 2014 at 4:05 PM

I just want to catch one time Valerie behind him whispering and moving his arms.

Sven on August 28, 2014 at 4:05 PM

RESET BUTTON

Good Lt on August 28, 2014 at 4:06 PM

https://twitter.com/CENTCOMCGPAO

Maj. Brian Fickel @CENTCOMCGPAO · 6m

ISIL lost its first tank due to an air strike.

Maj. Brian Fickel @CENTCOMCGPAO · 27m

5 new strikes on ISIL destroyed a tank, a humvee, 4 armed vehicles, a construction vehicle and damaged a checkpoint. Total strikes=106.

canopfor on August 28, 2014 at 3:55 PM

canopfor on August 28, 2014 at 4:06 PM

4:30 at the earliest.

ConstantineXI on August 28, 2014 at 4:07 PM

I just want to catch one time Valerie behind him whispering and moving his arms.

Sven on August 28, 2014 at 4:05 PM

She sends the commands via the teleprompter.

LOOK AT LEFT PROMPTER

SAY “PERIOD”

LOOK AT RIGHT PROMPTER

ConstantineXI on August 28, 2014 at 4:07 PM

Beautiful headline. I got queasy reading it.

faraway on August 28, 2014 at 4:07 PM

canopfor on August 28, 2014 at 4:04 PM

Not reading the posts at all anymore, huh?

Allahpundit on August 28, 2014 at 4:08 PM

While waiting HilRod Speechy Highlights:

https://twitter.com/danmericaCNN

Dan Merica @danmericaCNN · 14s

Clinton talks pop culture… Favorite band: The Beatles Favorite movie: Wizard of Oz Favorite current TV show: Downton Abbey

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Dan Merica @danmericaCNN · 51s

Clinton says she is going to work in midterms so that Democrats keep a “decent balance in the House.” Bullish. cc: @dccc @IsraelDCCC

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Retweeted by Dan Merica
Rachel Streitfeld @streitfeldcnn · 3m

What @HillaryClinton thinks about what happened in Ferguson, via @danmericaCNN: http://wp.me/p4HKM-1hwn

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Dan Merica @danmericaCNN · 2m

Hillary Clinton breaks silence on Ferguson – My story on Clinton’s comment in San Francisco: http://wp.me/p4HKM-1hwn

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Dan Merica @danmericaCNN · 2m

In describing the response to #Ferguson, Clinton invoked MLK. pic.twitter.com/eNFJfM5eMV
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Rachel Streitfeld @streitfeldcnn · 1m

HRC on letting a 9 y-o shoot an Uzi: “just the height of irresponsibility…to say nothing of the choice of letting your child do that”

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Dan Merica @danmericaCNN · 58s

Here is Hillary Clinton’s key quote on race in America and #Ferguson. pic.twitter.com/iwJchF7RuY
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Dan Merica @danmericaCNN · 11m

Clinton on police response to Ferguson: “This is what happens when the bonds of trust and respect that hold any community together fray.”

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Dan Merica @danmericaCNN · 18m

Clinton’s remarks on #Ferguson came during her prepared remarks, not during the Q&A.

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Dan Merica @danmericaCNN · 20m

Clinton also applauded Obama for his response to Ferguson. Story coming shortly.

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Dan Merica @danmericaCNN · 21m

On police militarization, Clinton: “We can do better” and we need more cops “who serve and protect their communities with professionalism.”

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Dan Merica @danmericaCNN · 23m

To tech investors in San Francisco, Clinton says, “Imagine what we would do if white drives were three times more likely to be searched…”

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Dan Merica @danmericaCNN · 23m

Clinton on Ferguson: “We cannot ignore the inequities that persist in our justice system.”

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Dan Merica @danmericaCNN · 26m

H. Clinton on #Ferguson: “Watching the recent funeral for Michael Brown, as a mother, as a human being, my heart just broke for his family.”

canopfor on August 28, 2014 at 4:08 PM

Choomed up, not ready to go.

At least be on time you lazy mo fo sorry excuse and worthless waste if skin.

/They’re shaving and dressing him but he’s not finished with his juice box. What an utter failure.

Key West Reader on August 28, 2014 at 4:09 PM

Teleprompter diplomacy.

idesign on August 28, 2014 at 4:09 PM

While we wait…

Obama’s “Strong Disapproval” Double His “Strong Approval”

faraway on August 28, 2014 at 4:09 PM

https://twitter.com/markknoller

Mark Knoller @markknoller · 2m

Russia could veto any UN Security Council statement anyway.

canopfor on August 28, 2014 at 4:09 PM

Creating yobs. okay.

Key West Reader on August 28, 2014 at 4:09 PM

If the journalists were water boarded, they have no one else to blame but bams. He helped fund ISIS.

31giddyup on August 28, 2014 at 4:10 PM

Shout out to his golfing buddies…he’s missin’ ‘em….

d1carter on August 28, 2014 at 4:10 PM

C’C … Like ci’ci’s pizza.. Only there’s a pile of obama in the middle of your pizza

Key West Reader on August 28, 2014 at 4:10 PM

Dressed in a light tan jacket with shirt and tie…..

d1carter on August 28, 2014 at 4:11 PM

Choomed up, not ready to go.

At least be on time you lazy mo fo sorry excuse and worthless waste if skin.

/They’re shaving and dressing him but he’s not finished with his juice box. What an utter failure.

Key West Reader on August 28, 2014 at 4:09 PM

Test him for pot, suspend him for a year.

If they can do it to the Browns, they can do it to Hussein.

ConstantineXI on August 28, 2014 at 4:11 PM

Nice Pinko Commie Blazer Hopey has on!!

canopfor on August 28, 2014 at 4:11 PM

A YELLOW jacket?

/Obama surrenders.

Key West Reader on August 28, 2014 at 4:11 PM

Nice Pinko Commie Blazer Hopey has on!!

canopfor on August 28, 2014 at 4:11 PM

A Mao jacket?

ConstantineXI on August 28, 2014 at 4:11 PM

Checkmark, before the oaf goes fundraising, again.

He’s worked so hard this week.

IS – obama is their caliph.

Schadenfreude on August 28, 2014 at 4:12 PM

Test him for pot, suspend him for a year.

If they can do it to the Browns, they can do it to Hussein.

ConstantineXI on August 28, 2014 at 4:11 PM

Racist.

That is all.

Key West Reader on August 28, 2014 at 4:12 PM

Oh my…..what happened to the blue shirt?

Tan? A tan suit?

BobMbx on August 28, 2014 at 4:12 PM

Kerry is on this….Hagel is working on sumptin’….Merkel agrees with Dear Leader….

d1carter on August 28, 2014 at 4:12 PM

A YELLOW jacket?

/Obama surrenders.

Key West Reader on August 28, 2014 at 4:11 PM

Is he going to turn the podium over to Dingy Harry so he can tell us how “this war is lost”?

ConstantineXI on August 28, 2014 at 4:12 PM

I I I I

cmsinaz on August 28, 2014 at 4:13 PM

Oh my…..what happened to the blue shirt?

Tan? A tan suit?

BobMbx on August 28, 2014 at 4:12 PM

He’s surrendering to ISIS.

Whilst reading shi* about Russia.

Key West Reader on August 28, 2014 at 4:13 PM

This is working against Russia’s economic interest….

d1carter on August 28, 2014 at 4:13 PM

Test him for pot, suspend him for a year.

If they can do it to the Browns, they can do it to Hussein.

ConstantineXI on August 28, 2014 at 4:11 PM

Racist.

That is all.

Key West Reader on August 28, 2014 at 4:12 PM

How? Josh Gordon is 100% black, Barry’s only 50%.

ConstantineXI on August 28, 2014 at 4:13 PM

A YELLOW jacket?

/Obama surrenders.

Key West Reader on August 28, 2014 at 4:11 PM

Is he going to turn the podium over to Dingy Harry so he can tell us how “this war is lost”?

ConstantineXI on August 28, 2014 at 4:12 PM

Not ONE MENTION OF ISIS? WTFH?

Geeze oh petes.

Key West Reader on August 28, 2014 at 4:14 PM

Next week he is in Europe….then sumptin’ is going to happen.

d1carter on August 28, 2014 at 4:14 PM

Power has no creds, other than being a commie, married to another one.

Schadenfreude on August 28, 2014 at 4:14 PM

Wait, Obama is actually there within 20 minutes of his start time?

Where’s Biden, because Obama is probably lethally sick!

Vanceone on August 28, 2014 at 4:14 PM

Chuck Todd lapdog #1

cmsinaz on August 28, 2014 at 4:14 PM

How? Josh Gordon is 100% black, Barry’s only 50%.

ConstantineXI on August 28, 2014 at 4:13 PM

Still, Racist.

Key West Reader on August 28, 2014 at 4:14 PM

Chucky T: how is your short iron game?

d1carter on August 28, 2014 at 4:15 PM

Wait until the semi-retarded dilettante in the WH presides over the UN gathering of the thugs of the world. He’ll be a perfect fit.

Schadenfreude on August 28, 2014 at 4:15 PM

Protect protect protect humanitarian humanitarian humanitarian. Blah blah blah

djl130 on August 28, 2014 at 4:15 PM

Ship builders? Whah?

Key West Reader on August 28, 2014 at 4:15 PM

Immediate threat to iraq

No duh

cmsinaz on August 28, 2014 at 4:16 PM

Dear Leader: Valerie says……

d1carter on August 28, 2014 at 4:16 PM

Dude is sporting the Louis Farrakahhn suit.

/Srsly

Dude.

Key West Reader on August 28, 2014 at 4:16 PM

Incursion invasion
tomato tomahto

cmsinaz on August 28, 2014 at 4:17 PM

I think he won this jacket playing golf. Can you spot the crest?

faraway on August 28, 2014 at 4:17 PM

You think he picked that suit up in the Vineyard…?

d1carter on August 28, 2014 at 4:17 PM

canopfor on August 28, 2014 at 4:04 PM

Not reading the posts at all anymore, huh?

Allahpundit on August 28, 2014 at 4:08 PM

Allahpundit:

Ugh,..sort of, aaahh you caught me:)

canopfor on August 28, 2014 at 4:18 PM

Stabilize Syria

cmsinaz on August 28, 2014 at 4:18 PM

Vineyard Vines…?

d1carter on August 28, 2014 at 4:19 PM

Obama refers to Russian forces in Ukraine as an “ongoing incursion”

obama is an ongoing ignorant dilettante, and proud of hisself.

Schadenfreude on August 28, 2014 at 4:19 PM

Filibuster Todd’s question.

butch on August 28, 2014 at 4:20 PM

Soon Russia/Putin will have to help the US people save themselves from obama.

LilliPutin is the luckiest bastard on Earth. He rules in the age of eunuch obama.

Schadenfreude on August 28, 2014 at 4:20 PM

Is he showing open houses this afternoon?

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on August 28, 2014 at 4:20 PM

No authorization just yet…..

Wow if W did this …..

cmsinaz on August 28, 2014 at 4:21 PM

“as our strategy develops…”

faraway on August 28, 2014 at 4:21 PM

Dear Leader: We don’t have a strategy……………………………………….

d1carter on August 28, 2014 at 4:21 PM

Correction,…Beige,..not Pinko Commie colour:

Dan Merica @danmericaCNN · 2m

Journalism’s problem: President Obama talks about economy, ISIS and Iraq… While most clicks go to stories about his beige suit.

canopfor on August 28, 2014 at 4:21 PM

“BOMBSHELL: “we don’t have a strategy yet

faraway on August 28, 2014 at 4:21 PM

Right
ill make sure congress’s voice is heard

You lie

cmsinaz on August 28, 2014 at 4:21 PM

Todd: Troops or not?

Obama: Let me talk about nothing for 10 minutes………

Todd: And the troops?

Obama: Congress, baby.

BobMbx on August 28, 2014 at 4:22 PM

Did Hopey say,…Congress!!

canopfor on August 28, 2014 at 4:22 PM

Is he wearing plaid golf pants?

faraway on August 28, 2014 at 4:22 PM

Dr carlo
Winner @4:20

cmsinaz on August 28, 2014 at 4:22 PM

God, he looks/is so frucking stupid.

Spit, with shame for the land!

Schadenfreude on August 28, 2014 at 4:22 PM

Dear Leader has consulted with Congress all along during this time….

d1carter on August 28, 2014 at 4:22 PM

Sorry — all I am hearing is more “dithering” on O’s part.

I cannot believe that our intelligence and military have not already given him options upon options.

CoffeeLover on August 28, 2014 at 4:23 PM

Heh. He just won’t call it an invasion. She asked him directly.

butch on August 28, 2014 at 4:23 PM

“European allies and partners…”

Dude, they laugh their azzes off at you, turkey!

Schadenfreude on August 28, 2014 at 4:23 PM

Who the hell cares? We have an ongoing invasion by millions across our southern border!

VorDaj on August 28, 2014 at 4:23 PM

Same old same old. God, he is boring …riddles and the same phrases he has used for 7 years…’let me be clear’…’its the right thing to do’..and and and and and hmmmmmm….hmmmmmm……

Redford on August 28, 2014 at 4:23 PM

Beautiful headline.

joekenha on August 28, 2014 at 4:23 PM

Hot air surrounds him.

Schadenfreude on August 28, 2014 at 4:24 PM

Heh. AllahPundit nailed it: WSJ asks him about the word “invasion” and Obama is putting the doublespeak into hyperdrive to avoid using the word.

Fenris on August 28, 2014 at 4:24 PM

Why would Russia engage in diplomatic action to stop the invasion they started?

What a dufus.

BobMbx on August 28, 2014 at 4:24 PM

You know how this goes. How many of these has he done since Putin started playing his “those aren’t our guys, those are ‘separatists’” game earlier this year?
=======================================

Waaaay too d*mn many!!

canopfor on August 28, 2014 at 4:24 PM

Semi-retired president to address something he saw on the news today about Ukraine

LOL – golden.

Midas on August 28, 2014 at 4:25 PM

“Ongoing incursion”, eh? If Russian soldiers shoot someone, is that then “workplace violence”? If they shell a city, is it a “man-caused disaster”? If they shoot down more airliners, is that “a kinetic anti-carbon emission initiative”?

Frankly, I’ve given up hope Obama will ever do the right thing, by our country or by our allies. But at least he could have come up with some better Orwell. Try this, Barry: “Donbass has always been part of Russia.” “Ukraine, minus Crimea and the eastern provinces, is still whole and complete.” “The Russians bring freedom to Eastern Ukraine.”

[Actually, considering Obama's youthful mentors, he probably does believe Communism is freedom.]

Zumkopf on August 28, 2014 at 4:25 PM

“Consultations…when I see them next week”.

By then another 1000 will be dead and this oaf goes fundraising and golfing.

The world deserves this incredible turkey.

PC will kill all.

“me as commander in chief”. You are an azzhole and a caliph to IS.

Schadenfreude on August 28, 2014 at 4:25 PM

Sacred duty as CIC to protect the American people…………Benghazi?

d1carter on August 28, 2014 at 4:25 PM

You need authorization because you said so before you came to congress

No I don’t because I need to act fast……

Puhleeze

cmsinaz on August 28, 2014 at 4:25 PM

When is his tee time?

faraway on August 28, 2014 at 4:25 PM

Heh. He just won’t call it an invasion. She asked him directly.

butch on August 28, 2014 at 4:23 PM

They are undocumented residents. I wish we had so few.

VorDaj on August 28, 2014 at 4:26 PM

“those folks are protected”

YOU will have their souls on yours, you oaf of the god damned world.

Schadenfreude on August 28, 2014 at 4:26 PM

Kentucky? Whah?

Did I just mis-hear something?

Key West Reader on August 28, 2014 at 4:26 PM

OMG….his responsibility to ask fast if one of our embassies is under attack? Did I hear that right.

WTH happened in Benghazi then…………..ouch my ears hurt already.

CoffeeLover on August 28, 2014 at 4:26 PM

Samantha Power minced no words today at the UN in describing what Russia’s up to. Well, almost no words: The word “invasion” has suddenly vanished from her vocabulary, as it has for every other major U.S. diplomat.

Dude, it is just your typical white-woman-man-led kinetic-military-action / manmade-disaster overseasborders contingency operation with a lot of off-ramps that people, who don’t know how to behave in the 21st century, but definitely know a red-line when they see it, keep missing or something.

Resist We Much on August 28, 2014 at 4:26 PM

Oh, now its back to ISIS.

Key West Reader on August 28, 2014 at 4:26 PM

Lol,…ahem,….

The Associated Press @AP · 9s

BREAKING: Obama says Russia is responsible for violence in Ukraine.

canopfor on August 28, 2014 at 4:26 PM

Obama refers to Russian forces in Ukraine as an “ongoing incursion”

In the same way that the Iraq war was an “ongoing incursion,” yes.

Otherwise known as “invasion.”

Good Lt on August 28, 2014 at 4:26 PM

Why does he feel it necessary to remind us, all the time, that he’s the Commander in Chief?

I think what he really means by that is “I won, so shut the f**k up”

BobMbx on August 28, 2014 at 4:26 PM

Why would Russia engage in diplomatic action to stop the invasion they started?

BobMbx on August 28, 2014 at 4:24 PM

Come on, single women voters are swooning.

faraway on August 28, 2014 at 4:27 PM

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