What’s the matter with Kansas?

posted at 10:01 am on August 27, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

Republicans have reason to hope for a wave election in 2014, with Barack Obama’s approval ratings sinking to a six-year floor and Democrats defending several red-state Senate seats. That wave hasn’t washed ashore in Kansas, which one would normally expect to be reliably Republican in the current environment. Republicans even have incumbents running for both the gubernatorial and Senate seats, which should make it an easy hold. According to a new Survey USA poll, though, it looks like both Republican incumbents are in trouble:

Despite primary wins 3 weeks ago for both top-ticket incumbent Kansas Republicans – Governor Sam Brownback and U.S. Senator Pat Roberts – and despite Kansas being a reliably Red State, both Brownback and Roberts face tough re-election fights for the 11/04/14 general election, according to the latest exclusive KSN-TV poll, conducted by SurveyUSA.

In the contest for Governor, the Republican ticket of Brownback and Jeff Colyer continue to trail the Democratic ticket of Paul Davis and Jill Docking, consistent with 2 previous KSN polls conducted before the 08/05/14 primary. Today, it’s Davis 48%, Brownback 40%. Brownback holds 70% of the Republican base, compared to Davis, who holds 91% of the Democratic base. Independents break 4:3 Democratic, a troubling sign in a state such as Kansas, where Republicans often count on right-leaning independents to cushion their victory margins. More troubling, moderates break 7:2 against the incumbent, an unusually large margin in any state, in any contested race. Democrat Davis leads in all 3 regions of the state: by 10 points in greater Wichita, by 8 points in greater Kansas City KS, and by 4 points in Greater Topeka. Among men, where Red State Republican incumbents often lead by 10, 15 or 20 points, Brownback trails by 1. Brownback trails in every age group. SurveyUSA’s most recent KSN poll, on 07/22/14, also showed Davis 8 atop Brownback. A 06/23/14 KSN poll showed Davis 6 atop Brownback.

Voters split on which issue is most important in the Governor’s contest: those who say “tax rates” are most important break by 26 points for Brownback. Those who say “education” is most important break by 43 points for Davis.

This doesn’t look like an outlier, either. The RCP poll average for this summer has Brownback down by almost 3 points, within the MOE, but that’s before the Survey USA poll gets added to the mix. Three of the four polls in the current average have Davis up by five or more points; the only reason that the RCP average is as close as it is comes from an outlier CBS/NYT/YouGov poll that put Brownback up 12, 52/40. Davis wins every age demo, every income demo, and has a ten-point lead among independents. An incumbent stuck at 40% in a three-way race is only a little bit less disastrous than being at 40% in a two-way race.

It’s only looking better in the Senate race because no one gets to 40% in a four-way race:

In the contest for United States Senator, Independent Greg Orman continues to make life difficult for both 3-term Republican Roberts and his Democratic challenger. Today, it’s Roberts 37%, Democrat Chad Taylor 32%, Orman at 20%, and Libertarian Randall Batson at 4%. These results are largely consistent with SurveyUSA’s most recent KSN poll, conducted before the 08/05/14 primary, which also showed Roberts 5 points atop Taylor. In its 3 looks at the 11/04/14 general election, SurveyUSA had Orman at 7% on 06/14/14, at 14% on 07/22/14, and at 20% today. Orman siphons votes across the board. He gets 20% of conservatives, 24% of moderates and 17% of liberals. Roberts holds just 62% of the Republican base. Taylor holds 74% of the Democratic base. 38% of independents, a plurality, vote for Orman, who, among Independents beats both Roberts and Taylor. Some comfort for Roberts: he leads in all 3 regions of the state, though he has less than 40% support in every Kansas corner. Roberts breaks 40% among those with a high-school education, but fails to break 40% among the more educated. Roberts fails to break 40% among any income group.

The independent vote is handicapping Roberts in a big way. It’s difficult to see how Milton Wolf would have done appreciably worse in this case, and he might have held the Republican base together better. Roberts does lead the RCP average by eight points, and was up 43/39 in the PPP poll taken at mid-month, but that’s not a big advantage this far from the election for an incumbent.  Bear in mind that the D/R/I in this poll is 32/46/18, so even with a 14-point advantage in the sample, neither Republican does particularly well.

The GOP may have a big night at the polls, but Kansas may turn into an unpleasant surprise — and it might cost them a Senate seat to Democrats they can’t afford to lose, if Orman continues to drag away Republicans from Roberts.

 


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What is Brownback’s problem? You have to royally screw up as a Republican in a state like that to be down that much to a Dem at this point.

changer1701 on August 27, 2014 at 10:04 AM

What’s the matter with Kansas?

Not enough hard working farmers anymore…..

Everything is corporate owned by crony capitalists who are pushing the welfare state and socialist policies.

redguy on August 27, 2014 at 10:05 AM

Roberts deserves to lose. He doesn’t even live in Kansas.

The GOP Establishment is trying to ride a conservative wave to put a pro amnesty RINO leadership in charge. Which is why the 2014 election is going to end up being meaningless.

The actual PEOPLE are being ignored by both parties at their peril.

ConstantineXI on August 27, 2014 at 10:06 AM

The whole state sounds as confused as Bob Dole.

RBMN on August 27, 2014 at 10:06 AM

C’mon, Kansans. Hold your nose and drag these two across the finish line.

BuckeyeSam on August 27, 2014 at 10:06 AM

Roberts holds just 62% of the Republican base.

There’s the problem. Just a hunch on my part, but it seems like conservative voters in Kansas are sick and tired of the GOP old guard in Washington and want new blood to take over.

Aizen on August 27, 2014 at 10:07 AM

What is Brownback’s problem? You have to royally screw up as a Republican in a state like that to be down that much to a Dem at this point.

changer1701 on August 27, 2014 at 10:04 AM

I don’t live in Kansas, so someone who does or follows their local politics will have to enlighten me. For Brownback to draw only 70% of Republican votes means he must have done something wrong.

Doughboy on August 27, 2014 at 10:07 AM

People discovering that one pol is the same as the other so choose the person whose name you like better?

Bishop on August 27, 2014 at 10:07 AM

Kansas is helping the U.S. commit suicide.

Thank you Communists!

Ded Pecker on August 27, 2014 at 10:06 AM

wsucoug on August 27, 2014 at 10:10 AM

Sounds like the people of Kansas are waking up to the realization of the two headed GOP/Dem snake…

PatriotRider on August 27, 2014 at 10:12 AM

A Senate vote for a Democrat is a vote for Obama and his policies, period. I don’t care if I like him or if he seems like he relates better to my problems etc. All that matters is how a Senator votes.

forest on August 27, 2014 at 10:13 AM

How interesting. Sam Brownback and the legislature pass a bucket load of supply side tax reforms…and the state’s coffers go utterly dry. Huh. It’s almost as if this is what always happens when you give the GOP free reign over a state. Austerity government doesn’t work. Or at the least, people don’t want it.

libfreeordie on August 27, 2014 at 10:13 AM

Toldja, toldja, toldja…… the partyof stupid will pull defeat from the jaws of victory.

ultracon on August 27, 2014 at 10:14 AM

Where’s Jack Cashill when you need him?

locomotivebreath1901 on August 27, 2014 at 10:15 AM

sheesh ED, answer is easy a four letters: GOPe

socalcon on August 27, 2014 at 10:15 AM

Silly article. We hate them both, but Kansas isn’t going to let Dem’s take over.

BettyRuth on August 27, 2014 at 10:15 AM

If the Dems win either of these elections it is the fault of Republicans, despite any talk about third party candidates.

If a third party candidate takes a small percentage of the vote from the GOP, it just means that people are dissatisfied with the GOP.

Run conservative candidates and govern conservatively and you will have no issues winning re-election in a red state.

airupthere on August 27, 2014 at 10:16 AM

The GOP may have a big night at the polls, but Kansas may turn into an unpleasant surprise — and it might cost them a Senate seat to Democrats they can’t afford to lose, if Orman continues to drag away Republicans from Roberts.

The seeds of discontent sown by establishment squishes who have been deaf about social conservative issues for the last six years.

Opposing legitimizing “gay” marriage as equal to real marriage? STFU AND SUPPORT THE GOP!

Opposing the establishment GOP and USCOC on amnesty for the illegals? STFU AND SUPPORT THE GOP! And criticism over handing out teddy bears and soccer balls is downright racist!

Opposing Obamacare by action and not words? STFU AND SUPPORT THE GOP! Make an effort every now and then and then cave completely with stupid platitudes about living to fight another day and not dying on this hill.

Making real effort to curb the federal budget? STFU AND SUPPORT THE GOP!

In short, if the GOP in Kansas or anywhere else is in trouble they only have themselves to blame for not respecting their base. The Senate race in MS ought to be really interesting.

Happy Nomad on August 27, 2014 at 10:16 AM

It’s almost as if this is what always happens when you give the GOP free reign over a state.

I remember you lamenting the demorat free reign over an entire nation in 2009.

Not that we can argue with their stunning success, the results of which are all around us even today.

Bishop on August 27, 2014 at 10:17 AM

Silly article. We hate them both, but Kansas isn’t going to let Dem’s take over.

BettyRuth on August 27, 2014 at 10:15 AM

Says the state that produced Kathleen Sebelius- the godmother of Obamacare.

Happy Nomad on August 27, 2014 at 10:18 AM

How interesting. Sam Brownback and the legislature pass a bucket load of supply side tax reforms…and the state’s coffers go utterly dry. Huh. It’s almost as if this is what always happens when you give the GOP free reign over a state. Austerity government doesn’t work. Or at the least, people don’t want it.

libfreeordie on August 27, 2014 at 10:13 AM

Scott Walker inherited nearly a $4 billion deficit.
$2 billion of tax cuts later, they have nearly a $1 billion surplus.

airupthere on August 27, 2014 at 10:18 AM

I live in Kansas and I think Brownback is just fine. Remember though, we had the wrethced Sebillius as governor for many years, so for some reason the governorship seems to be tricky.

As for Roberts, I won’t be voting for him. He’s as bad as they come and worse than many. Every single ad I heard against Wolfe had to do with some stupid pictures he put on his Facebook page. They just spammed it over and over and over. Whenever I heard the ad come on the radio (I could always tell right away because of the dire music in the background) I would turn it off. Not one word about Roberts’ record and what he’s accomplished. Not one word about anything he plans to do in the future. Absolutely pathetic.

I want him gone, gone, gone. Maybe then we can try again in 6 years with a clean slate and try to get someone conservative in there that actually represents me and my values.

Paperclips on August 27, 2014 at 10:18 AM

#RememberMississippi

d1carter on August 27, 2014 at 10:19 AM

Scott Walker inherited nearly a $4 billion deficit.
$2 billion of tax cuts later, they have nearly a $1 billion surplus.

airupthere on August 27, 2014 at 10:18 AM

And it only cost the heaped corpses of union members and their families who had to work for slave wages simply to put some moldy bread on the table.

Why do you hate fresh bread?

Bishop on August 27, 2014 at 10:21 AM

if Orman continues to drag away Republicans from Roberts.

Quit carrying the water Ed. Those votes don’t belong to the GOP. Those votes are up for grabs and must be earned. We’re conservatives, remember? At least we used to be, and we believed in personal responsibility. If Roberts doesn’t win then it’s his fault for not being a credible incumbent. THIS point more than anything else is the cause of Republican electoral woes. Keep offering nothing, while warning of disaster should you not be supported and this will keep on happening. Wouldn’t be surprised if we lose KY for the same reason.

abobo on August 27, 2014 at 10:21 AM

Brownback’s supposedly “failed experiment” in Kansas seems to have had an effect on all Republicans in the state. Roberts will still win, but I’m not so sure about Brownback. More than a 100 Republicans have endorsed his Democratic opponent. I’m still crossing my fingers that Brownback wins in the end.

GOPRanknFile on August 27, 2014 at 10:25 AM

How interesting. Sam Brownback and the legislature pass a bucket load of supply side tax reforms…and the state’s coffers go utterly dry. Huh. It’s almost as if this is what always happens when you give the GOP free reign over a state. Austerity government doesn’t work. Or at the least, people don’t want it.

libfreeordie on August 27, 2014 at 10:13 AM

How sad.

You don’t support a candidate who is anti-death penalty, pro-prison reform and for amnesty.

What kind of liberal are you?

sentinelrules on August 27, 2014 at 10:26 AM

I want him gone, gone, gone. Maybe then we can try again in 6 years with a clean slate and try to get someone conservative in there that actually represents me and my values.

Paperclips on August 27, 2014 at 10:18 AM

And you’re pretty much guaranteed 6 more years of freaking Harry Reid as Senate majority leader, too, if Roberts is gone. I get the discontent-the guy should’ve retired-I hope people aren’t missing the forest for the trees. Not sure what is gained by having a Dem push and vote for whatever Obama (or Hillary later) wants.

changer1701 on August 27, 2014 at 10:27 AM

I live in Kansas.

Brownback cut taxes to the bone, thinking it would attract more business to the state. Didn’t happen in a noticeable way. But it resulted in cutting education to the bone, and that is what is pissing people off.

Add to that Kris Kobach with his fixation on voter ID and you have a lot of disaffected Republcan voters.

at least that’s what I’ve seen so far.

Mariadee on August 27, 2014 at 10:27 AM

I live in Kansas and I think Brownback is just fine. Remember though, we had the wrethced Sebillius as governor for many years, so for some reason the governorship seems to be tricky.

As for Roberts, I won’t be voting for him. He’s as bad as they come and worse than many. Every single ad I heard against Wolfe had to do with some stupid pictures he put on his Facebook page. They just spammed it over and over and over. Whenever I heard the ad come on the radio (I could always tell right away because of the dire music in the background) I would turn it off. Not one word about Roberts’ record and what he’s accomplished. Not one word about anything he plans to do in the future. Absolutely pathetic.

I want him gone, gone, gone. Maybe then we can try again in 6 years with a clean slate and try to get someone conservative in there that actually represents me and my values.

Paperclips on August 27, 2014 at 10:18 AM

Harry Reid thanks you for your support!

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 27, 2014 at 10:28 AM

Roberts I understand. Lots of dissatisfied conservatives going to Orman.

Brownback, I don’t get it.

But then again, deep-blue governors are in trouble and unpopular as well: Illinois, Connecticut, Hawaii.

sentinelrules on August 27, 2014 at 10:29 AM

It’s difficult to see how Milton Wolf would have done appreciably worse in this case, and he might have held the Republican base together better.

GOP cutting off its nose to spite its face, again.

The party is coming apart at the seams with the leadership refusing to back insurgent candidates and a significant chunk of the base now not supporting leadership-backed candidates. Whether Republicans want it or not, we’re looking right down the barrel of a Whig style crackup.

Doomberg on August 27, 2014 at 10:30 AM

Brownback embraced the Republican fantasy of tax cut paradise and revenues dropped rather than climbing, the state credit rating was slashed, education budgets were squeezed and job creation lagged. As anyone could have predicted, his agenda is a failure, if not a disaster, and he’s dragging other Republicans who are equally addicted to the same stupid policies down with him.

Contrast with Jerry Brown came into a much worse situation but has had much better results.

urban elitist on August 27, 2014 at 10:32 AM

Has Toto voted yet or did Obama eat him?

Bubba Redneck on August 27, 2014 at 10:35 AM

Brownback embraced the Republican fantasy of tax cut paradise and revenues dropped rather than climbing, the state credit rating was slashed, education budgets were squeezed and job creation lagged. As anyone could have predicted, his agenda is a failure, if not a disaster, and he’s dragging other Republicans who are equally addicted to the same stupid policies down with him.

Contrast with Jerry Brown came into a much worse situation but has had much better results.

urban elitist on August 27, 2014 at 10:32 AM

Jerry Brown??? Hahahahahahahahhahahahahahahaha. God you are a freaking lunatic…..

Gov. Brown and his high speed rail fiasco has utterly bankrupted the state.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 27, 2014 at 10:35 AM

I live in Kansas.

Brownback cut taxes to the bone, thinking it would attract more business to the state. Didn’t happen in a noticeable way. But it resulted in cutting education to the bone, and that is what is pissing people off.

Add to that Kris Kobach with his fixation on voter ID and you have a lot of disaffected Republcan voters.

at least that’s what I’ve seen so far.

Mariadee on August 27, 2014 at 10:27 AM

Ineresting take. I live in Kansas as well and frankly I feel the whole education thing is overblown. The education budget has been overbloated for years and needed to be trimmed. Of course the schools and educators are screaming bloody murder and acting like they’ll have to shut their doors but the reality is they have more than enough money to do their actual job, which is educating children. They just have to budget properly and focus on priorities.

As for the voter ID thing, I fail to see how wanting voter ID laws would turn off Republicans. It certainly doesn’t turn me off. It’s badly needed and typically the ones opposing it are the lib/prog Dems.

Paperclips on August 27, 2014 at 10:37 AM

I’m just stunned by some of the posts on here. According to the RCP average, Brownback is losing by about 3 points, and Roberts is leading by 8+, and yet Roberts still gets more flack.

GOPRanknFile on August 27, 2014 at 10:40 AM

Paperclips on August 27, 2014 at 10:37 AM

The press here has savaged Brownback. Some probably deservedly so, but some overblown as you stated.

One issue with ‘attracting’ business with tax cuts here, is that it is well, Kansas. We’re siphoning some businesses from KCMO, but we’re not exactly a tech hub other than Sprint neither.

Roberts will win fine even though he’s VA’s 3rd senator, but Brownback always has people talking against him. Not sure about him.

LaughterJones on August 27, 2014 at 10:42 AM

Has Toto voted yet or did Obama eat him?

Bubba Redneck on August 27, 2014 at 10:35 AM

Toto is a black canine-American, who do you think he voted for?

Happy Nomad on August 27, 2014 at 10:43 AM

I want him gone, gone, gone. Maybe then we can try again in 6 years with a clean slate and try to get someone conservative in there that actually represents me and my values.

Paperclips on August 27, 2014 at 10:18 AM

And you’re pretty much guaranteed 6 more years of freaking Harry Reid as Senate majority leader, too, if Roberts is gone. I get the discontent-the guy should’ve retired-I hope people aren’t missing the forest for the trees. Not sure what is gained by having a Dem push and vote for whatever Obama (or Hillary later) wants.

changer1701 on August 27, 2014 at 10:27 AM

Yeah the whole Harry Reid thing just isn’t enough to bother me anymore. I find myself torn between who I despise more, Reid or McConnell. So for me that’s a wash.

If the Republicans stood for anything AT ALL that I could get behind then I would vote for Roberts even though I don’t like him. But the fact is it’s not just Roberts, it’s the entire GOP establishment. They always focus their biggest, nastiest political weapons on conservatives and especially consevative candidates for higher office. Then they hang out at social clubs/events drinking martinis with progressives.

The whole thing is so disgusting to me that I frankly just want to wash my hands of it. I will vote though, probably for Orman, definitely for Brownback. I at least want to preserve our state government as much as possible after all.

Paperclips on August 27, 2014 at 10:44 AM

What’s the matter with Kansas?

Nothing, remember they elected Sebelius.

RickB on August 27, 2014 at 10:45 AM

California:

Highest taxes in the nation, highest electricity prices in nation, 2nd highest unemployment rate.

One might see some correlation there but not me, I have these awesome rose-colored glasses I just got from the DNC online store.

Bishop on August 27, 2014 at 10:45 AM

The key thing to look at in this race is Brownback. Specifically:

In 2012, Kansas governor Sam Brownback signed a massive tax cut into law, arguing that it would boost the state’s economy. Eventually, he hoped to eliminate individual income taxes entirely. “Our place, Kansas, will show the path, the difficult path, for America to go in these troubled times,” he said.

National conservative activists raved. Patrick Gleason of Americans for Tax Reform said Kansas was “the story of the next decade.” The Cato Institute praised Brownback’s “impressive” tax cuts and gave him an “A” on fiscal policy. And the Weekly Standard’s Bill Kristol said that, if reelected, Brownback would be “a formidable presidential possibility.”

Yet though Brownback is running for reelection this fall in a deep red state, he’s trailed his Democratic challenger in 3 of the 4 most recent polls — and his marquee tax cut appears to be the main reason. Kansas is now hundreds of millions of dollars short in revenue collection, its job growth has lagged the rest of the nation, and Moody’s has cut the state’s bond rating. “Governor Brownback came in here with an agenda to reduce the size of government, reduce taxes, and create a great economic boom,” says University of Kansas professor Burdett Loomis. “Now there’s been a dramatic decline in revenues, no great increase in economic activity, and we’ve got red ink until the cows come home.”

Stoic Patriot on August 27, 2014 at 10:46 AM

I was saying what I’ve seen, not what I think.. and I shouldn’ aid Replublican voters re Kobach. My bad.

Mariadee on August 27, 2014 at 10:48 AM

correction: shoudn’t have said.

Mariadee on August 27, 2014 at 10:48 AM

Despite primary wins 3 weeks ago for both top-ticket incumbent Kansas Republicans – Governor Sam Brownback and U.S. Senator Pat Roberts – and despite Kansas being a reliably Red State, both Brownback and Roberts face tough re-election fights for the 11/04/14 general election, according to the latest exclusive KSN-TV poll, conducted by SurveyUSA.

Let’s remember that the Kansas GOP is openly aligning behind Brownback’s DEMOCRAT opponent because they view Brownback as too conservative.

Tell me again why conservatives are expected to toe the GOP line again?

Midas on August 27, 2014 at 10:49 AM

GOP “leadership” needs to be thrown out on their azzes. All of them.

Amnesty, failure to secure the border when they had a chance to do so, Chamber of Cronyism, tax hikes, debt ceiling increases, capitulating to ObamaGlitch, lack of any sack whatsoever, war on Conservatives, Cuccinelli, Cochran…the list goes on and on.

I can’t imagine why the GOP is having a hard time getting Conservative and TEA Party “enthusiasm” to turn out for the backstabbing roaches.

Meople on August 27, 2014 at 10:49 AM

MOE is 4.2.

Needless to say, approach with caution.

How interesting. Sam Brownback and the legislature pass a bucket load of supply side tax reforms…and the state’s coffers go utterly dry. Huh. It’s almost as if this is what always happens when you give the GOP free reign over a state. Austerity government doesn’t work. Or at the least, people don’t want it.

libfreeordie on August 27, 2014 at 10:13 AM

Oh, yeah, Governor Moonbeam has done such a good job.

formwiz on August 27, 2014 at 10:52 AM

Brownback embraced the Republican fantasy of tax cut paradise and revenues dropped rather than climbing, the state credit rating was slashed, education budgets were squeezed and job creation lagged. As anyone could have predicted, his agenda is a failure, if not a disaster, and he’s dragging other Republicans who are equally addicted to the same stupid policies down with him.
Contrast with Jerry Brown came into a much worse situation but has had much better results.

urban elitist on August 27, 2014 at 10:32 AM

Jerry Brown??? Hahahahahahahahhahahahahahahaha. God you are a freaking lunatic…..
Gov. Brown and his high speed rail fiasco has utterly bankrupted the state.
Raquel Pinkbullet on August 27, 2014 at 10:35 AM

FY 2015 budget has expenditures for HS rail at $250 million in a $156 billion budget — 0.16 % of the budget.

urban elitist on August 27, 2014 at 10:53 AM

Yeah the whole Harry Reid thing just isn’t enough to bother me anymore. I find myself torn between who I despise more, Reid or McConnell. So for me that’s a wash.

Paperclips on August 27, 2014 at 10:44 AM

Here in Kentucky, I am absolutely NOT voting for McConnell. His role in the Mississippi Backstab makes a vote for him UNTHINKABLE.

I don’t give a shiite about THIS GOP getting control of the Senate. It won’t make things any better, and indeed, COULD conceivably make things even worse.

ConstantineXI on August 27, 2014 at 10:53 AM

I can’t imagine why the GOP is having a hard time getting Conservative and TEA Party “enthusiasm” to turn out for the backstabbing roaches.

Meople on August 27, 2014 at 10:49 AM

Who else are those people going to vote for? [said with my best GOP establishment sneer]

Happy Nomad on August 27, 2014 at 10:54 AM

I can’t imagine why the GOP is having a hard time getting Conservative and TEA Party “enthusiasm” to turn out for the backstabbing roaches.

Meople on August 27, 2014 at 10:49 AM

The only thing covering up for the Mississippi Backstab is Obama’s illegal alien surge. If not for that, the Senate would be unreachable and the House would be in jeopardy. I expect things to drift back that way as we get closer to the election.

THIS GOP does NOT deserve the support of conservatives.

ConstantineXI on August 27, 2014 at 10:55 AM

How interesting. Sam Brownback and the legislature pass a bucket load of supply side tax reforms…and the state’s coffers go utterly dry. Huh. It’s almost as if this is what always happens when you give the GOP free reign over a state. Austerity government doesn’t work. Or at the least, people don’t want it.

libfreeordie on August 27, 2014 at 10:13 AM

Dummy, I just lauded you on the Burger King headlines thread.

Here, you are a moron, again. See Wisconsin. 3.5 billion deficit when your nemesis took over. Now, one billion in surpluses and the taxpayers get a refund, again, and the real estate taxes are lower than ever. You are an eternal slave. Free your brain already.

Schadenfreude on August 27, 2014 at 10:55 AM

The GOPe was warned. They should have got behind Wolf. Too late now. If I lived in Kansas I would NEVER vote for Roberts. Those who say this is a vote for Obama can go take a flying ****

Maybe now those who support RINO’s will get their head out of their arse and start backing solid conservative candidates. I made a vow to myself after Romney to NEVER vote for another RINO for the rest of my life. I know I’m not the only conservative who thinks that way. Millions made the same vow after McCain. I just wasn’t there yet. But I am now.

The GOP better stop supporting RINO candidates. If not, a reckoning is coming. It won’t be pretty.

Conservative4Ever on August 27, 2014 at 10:56 AM

Who else are those people going to vote for? [said with my best GOP establishment sneer]

Happy Nomad on August 27, 2014 at 10:54 AM

I think my best option here in Kentucky is to write in Thad Cochran for Senate. No, he’s not running in my state, but ads ran by the GOP (thanks to contributions FROM Mitch McConnell) told me I’m RAAAAAAAAAACIST!!! if I don’t vote for Thad.

ConstantineXI on August 27, 2014 at 10:57 AM

it does not matter how close the win is, all that matter is that you win!!

gwhh on August 27, 2014 at 10:57 AM

Maybe now those who support RINO’s will get their head out of their arse and start backing solid conservative candidates. I made a vow to myself after Romney to NEVER vote for another RINO for the rest of my life. I know I’m not the only conservative who thinks that way. Millions made the same vow after McCain. I just wasn’t there yet. But I am now.

The GOP better stop supporting RINO candidates. If not, a reckoning is coming. It won’t be pretty.

Conservative4Ever on August 27, 2014 at 10:56 AM

I’m with you. They could send Jessica Alba to my bedroom dressed in lingerie and that wouldn’t be enough to entice me to pull the lever for McConnell.

ConstantineXI on August 27, 2014 at 10:58 AM

FY 2015 budget has expenditures for HS rail at $250 million in a $156 billion budget — 0.16 % of the budget.

urban elitist on August 27, 2014 at 10:53 AM

You are cracking me up with your fantasy. The HS rail will not do what you think it will do. CA is already doomed to be in bankruptcy. Everyone like you is just too stupid to see it. The HS rail is just helping you get there faster. Tone deaf to train whistles. Enjoy the ride

Conservative4Ever on August 27, 2014 at 11:00 AM

it does not matter how close the win is, all that matter is that you win!!

gwhh on August 27, 2014 at 10:57 AM

The left of center, pro amnesty, pro big government GOP Establishment is trying to do what the Democrats did in 2006/8: installing progressives as leaders of both houses of Congress on the back of conservative voters by PRETENDING to be conservative until 5 seconds after the election.

It’s time to move out of the way, let the GOPe destroy itself in 14/16 so we can reform with a true CONSERVATIVE Party to win in 18/20.

ConstantineXI on August 27, 2014 at 11:01 AM

You are cracking me up with your fantasy. The HS rail will not do what you think it will do. CA is already doomed to be in bankruptcy. Everyone like you is just too stupid to see it. The HS rail is just helping you get there faster. Tone deaf to train whistles. Enjoy the ride

Conservative4Ever on August 27, 2014 at 11:00 AM

The whole United States is doomed with bankruptcy. 100+ TRILLION in debt and unfunded mandates. That amount of money doesn’t exist in the entire world.

ConstantineXI on August 27, 2014 at 11:03 AM

Here in Kentucky, I am absolutely NOT voting for McConnell. His role in the Mississippi Backstab makes a vote for him UNTHINKABLE.

I don’t give a shiite about THIS GOP getting control of the Senate. It won’t make things any better, and indeed, COULD conceivably make things even worse.

ConstantineXI on August 27, 2014 at 10:53 AM

I don’t understand why some people on our side have a problem with your reasoning. Voting for McConnell, or Roberts in Kansas, or any of the other RINOs is, at best, a short-term fix. Sure, it may — may — give the GOP control of the Senate, but at what cost? Will they actually do anything to stop Obama? I haven’t seen anything indicating that they would/will.

Aizen on August 27, 2014 at 11:03 AM

Urban elitist is a lib troll; just ignore him. Kansas is a tricky state for the GOP. It is mostly Republican but the state can be split into, Democrats, Moderate Republicans and Conservative Republicans. There have been times when moderate Republicans have backstabbed the GOP nominee if he or she were conservative. The prime example is Dennis Moore beating Snowbarger. Moore only got in by moderate GOP backstabbers. Bill Graves is one of those problematic moderates.

Neon Indian on August 27, 2014 at 11:04 AM

FY 2015 budget has expenditures for HS rail at $250 million in a $156 billion budget — 0.16 % of the budget.

urban elitist on August 27, 2014 at 10:53 AM

You are cracking me up with your fantasy. The HS rail will not do what you think it will do. CA is already doomed to be in bankruptcy. Everyone like you is just too stupid to see it. The HS rail is just helping you get there faster. Tone deaf to train whistles. Enjoy the ride

Conservative4Ever on August 27, 2014 at 11:00 AM

The latest estimates I’ve found suggest ‘phase 1′ alone will cost $68billion dollars (twice what was originally estimated) and those figures are a couple of years old already.

Yeah, just a drop in the bucket, right urbtard?

Midas on August 27, 2014 at 11:05 AM

Not voting for either of them. They both voted to confirm Sebelius to be HHS Secretary, and I vowed to never vote for either of them again at that point. Not voting at all in those races.

The KS legislature also changed the tax rules so that if you farm and lose money at it, you have to pay taxes as if you broke even. So if the wife (me) works in town and uses that money to cover farm expenses, we can’t deduct the loss off my income. We paid 8% of our federal AGI to Kansas for income taxes. We are surely not the only ones in that situation.

cptacek on August 27, 2014 at 11:05 AM

Here in Kentucky, I am absolutely NOT voting for McConnell. His role in the Mississippi Backstab makes a vote for him UNTHINKABLE.

I don’t give a shiite about THIS GOP getting control of the Senate. It won’t make things any better, and indeed, COULD conceivably make things even worse.

ConstantineXI on August 27, 2014 at 10:53 AM

I don’t understand why some people on our side have a problem with your reasoning. Voting for McConnell, or Roberts in Kansas, or any of the other RINOs is, at best, a short-term fix. Sure, it may — may — give the GOP control of the Senate, but at what cost? Will they actually do anything to stop Obama? I haven’t seen anything indicating that they would/will.

Aizen on August 27, 2014 at 11:03 AM

You’re right, it won’t.

What it *will* do is tell the GOP that the people support them no matter what they do, and even in spite of their lurch leftward – as such, it will encourage them to keep moving that direction, and embolden them to follow-through with amnesty, etc.

Midas on August 27, 2014 at 11:06 AM

Your tears are delicious tea gabbers!

Judge_Dredd on August 27, 2014 at 11:08 AM

Contrast with Jerry Brown came into a much worse situation but has had much better results.

urban elitist on August 27, 2014 at 10:32 AM

LOL! California is taxing the millionaires being created by the social media bubble – just like Clinton’s budget surplus in 2000. When the bubble pops, California’s finances will resemble Detroit.

corkie on August 27, 2014 at 11:10 AM

ConstantineXI on August 27, 2014 at 11:01 AM

I like your plan, I just don’t think the country will be around in 2018. Or whatever is left will be speaking foreign languages. AT&T will answer in Spanish and tell you to hit Dos for English!!

Deano1952 on August 27, 2014 at 11:12 AM

libfreeordie on August 27, 2014 at 10:13 AM

The Kansas politicians were probably foolish enough to think that the economy would rebound under Obama. Kansas is still subjected to Obama’s brand of socialism. State and local policies can only do so much. Thanks for giving me on opportunity to make this clear for everyone.

corkie on August 27, 2014 at 11:13 AM

Bottom line is that Brown got elected, conservatives predicted disaster and the state is doing quite well — with a rainy day fund and projected operating surplus in a couple of years. Brownback pushed through his tax cuts, conservatives predicted Utopia and the state is now struggling. If, As conservatives like to point out, stated are the laboratory of democracy, Kansas is the lab that just blew up.

urban elitist on August 27, 2014 at 11:13 AM

corkie on August 27, 2014 at 11:10 AM

Urban elitist has no idea what he’s talking about. Just ignore him.

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/081814-713768-plunge-in-tax-revenues-signals-more-red-ink-for-golden-state.htm?p=2

Neon Indian on August 27, 2014 at 11:14 AM

LOL! California is taxing the millionaires being created by the social media bubble – just like Clinton’s budget surplus in 2000. When the bubble pops, California’s finances will resemble Detroit.

corkie on August 27, 2014 at 11:10 AM

CA will be back in financial crisis next year after all the Silicon Valley communists restructure their assets to avoid the Moonbeam Tax. He got a 1 year windfall that won’t be repeated, and of course promptly flushed the temporary surplus down the drain.

ConstantineXI on August 27, 2014 at 11:14 AM

I like your plan, I just don’t think the country will be around in 2018. Or whatever is left will be speaking foreign languages. AT&T will answer in Spanish and tell you to hit Dos for English!!

Deano1952 on August 27, 2014 at 11:12 AM

One of the possible outcomes is us splitting into two or more nations. We make things unbearable for illegals in Red State America (ie: cutting off their welfare) I’m sure the one or more Blue nations will welcome them with open arms.

ConstantineXI on August 27, 2014 at 11:18 AM

Urban elitist has no idea what he’s talking about. Just ignore him.

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/081814-713768-plunge-in-tax-revenues-signals-more-red-ink-for-golden-state.htm?p=2

Neon Indian on August 27, 2014 at 11:14 AM

We usually do. But he needs to feel some real pain. He’s been largely immune so far in sillycone valley.

Judge_Dredd on August 27, 2014 at 11:18 AM

Republicans have reason to hope for a wave election in 2014, with Barack Obama’s approval ratings sinking to a six-year floor

Sigh.

You think maybe you guys would start to realize that the historically low approval rating for this republican congress is probably more relevant than the typical ratings of the guy not running in an election.

everdiso on August 27, 2014 at 11:19 AM

What it *will* do is tell the GOP that the people support them no matter what they do, and even in spite of their lurch leftward – as such, it will encourage them to keep moving that direction, and embolden them to follow-through with amnesty, etc.

Midas on August 27, 2014 at 11:06 AM

Yup, that is essentially my line of thinking. I don’t think the GOP can truly “recover” until elections like the Cantor loss keep happening in greater numbers. The “leadership” of the GOP either needs to wake up or be thrown out.

Aizen on August 27, 2014 at 11:19 AM

Bottom line is that Brown got elected, conservatives predicted disaster and the state is doing quite well — with a rainy day fund and projected operating surplus in a couple of years. Brownback pushed through his tax cuts, conservatives predicted Utopia and the state is now struggling. If, As conservatives like to point out, stated are the laboratory of democracy, Kansas is the lab that just blew up.

urban elitist on August 27, 2014 at 11:13 AM

Socialism never works. It only APPEARS to work for the short term until the capital flees (and California has long been losing businesses faster than it creates them). The Moonbeam Tax will prove to be a single year phenom.

Once California becomes desperate enough to cannibalize Hollywood for revenue you are going to be nothing more than a gigantic Detroit.

ConstantineXI on August 27, 2014 at 11:21 AM

Regular working people do not have a voice in corrupt Kansas. They lost the fight years ago. I have been hoping for the day that the people of Kansas will push up regular local citizens to replace the vile, sold out, morally bankrupt trash that has been elected to represent their state for the last 30 years. Wake up Kansas! Time to give big Agriculture the boot.

dcleveland on August 27, 2014 at 11:24 AM

Weird…An independent pulling votes away from the Republican candidate. Odd…Same thing happens in MN over and over again providing us brilliant political leadership like Sen Al Franken over Norm Coleman and Mark Dayton over Tom Emmer.

It is no coincidence that independent candidates spring up that are crafted just so to pull ‘moderate’ center right voters away.

This is a feature of the Democrat playbook…set up a Potemkin candidate that is Moderate right…fund them enough and hilarity ensues as the Democrat candidate gets elected enabling disasters like President Obama

abnormal_1 on August 27, 2014 at 11:25 AM

Yup, that is essentially my line of thinking. I don’t think the GOP can truly “recover” until elections like the Cantor loss keep happening in greater numbers. The “leadership” of the GOP either needs to wake up or be thrown out.

Aizen on August 27, 2014 at 11:19 AM

Exactly. We can’t reward them for what they did in Mississippi.

ConstantineXI on August 27, 2014 at 11:25 AM

I do love how you guys are accusing Brownback of being a RINO, when he has enacted the most extreme tea partyish economic policy in the entire country….which of course have turned out disastrously, as anyone with a brain knew they would.

Kansas is clearcut proof of the disastrously stupid economic ideas you dummies have been brainwashed into believing in by the only people who benefit from them – your corporate overlords, who laugh at your gullibility every quarterly report.

everdiso on August 27, 2014 at 11:32 AM

everdiso on August 27, 2014 at 11:32 AM

They’re missing you over on the good news thread everpisso!

Judge_Dredd on August 27, 2014 at 11:34 AM

I do love how you guys are accusing Brownback of being a RINO, when he has enacted the most extreme tea partyish economic policy in the entire country….which of course have turned out disastrously, as anyone with a brain knew they would.

Kansas is clearcut proof of the disastrously stupid economic ideas you dummies have been brainwashed into believing in by the only people who benefit from them – your corporate overlords, who laugh at your gullibility every quarterly report.

everdiso on August 27, 2014 at 11:32 AM

No one here has made that accusation against Brownback. People have accused Roberts of that, but not Brownback if you go through the comments. Read what I pasted above for Brownback, which supports your contention about economics.

Stoic Patriot on August 27, 2014 at 11:35 AM

This arises from people thinking they are clever by saying “I vote for the person and not the party”.

Alaska and six other conservative states “voted for the person” Democrat Senators all pretending to be moderate, and when elected they loyally voted like liberals with their party. Now we have Obamacare.

Please don’t mess everyone up Kansas.

Perspicacious on August 27, 2014 at 11:36 AM

I do love how you guys are accusing Brownback of being a RINO, when he has enacted the most extreme tea partyish economic policy in the entire country….which of course have turned out disastrously, as anyone with a brain knew they would.

everdiso on August 27, 2014 at 11:32 AM

Two different problems. RINOs are supporting the Dem for Governor, and Tea Party types are not voting for Roberts for Senate.

cptacek on August 27, 2014 at 11:36 AM

Imagine, you couch experts are angry that the people who actually have to suffer under your idiotic fantasy economic policies have the gall to point out that they suck.

everdiso on August 27, 2014 at 11:38 AM

Urban elitist has no idea what he’s talking about. Just ignore him.
http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/081814-713768-plunge-in-tax-revenues-signals-more-red-ink-for-golden-state.htm?p=2

Neon Indian on August 27, 2014 at 11:14 AM

Your proof is a fact-free editorial in a rabidly right wing publication?

Interesting that you can’t seem to spin the Kansas debacle, which neatly disproves conservative’s laughable Laffer Curve fantasies.

IBD is speculating about Cali. I’m Kansas, the hard numbers are in.

urban elitist on August 27, 2014 at 11:39 AM

Perspicacious on August 27, 2014 at 11:36 AM

I don’t know about Brownback, but Roberts will win.

GOPRanknFile on August 27, 2014 at 11:48 AM

^ Sorry for striking.

GOPRanknFile on August 27, 2014 at 11:48 AM

This arises from people thinking they are clever by saying “I vote for the person and not the party”.

Alaska and six other conservative states “voted for the person” Democrat Senators all pretending to be moderate, and when elected they loyally voted like liberals with their party. Now we have Obamacare.

Please don’t mess everyone up Kansas.

Perspicacious on August 27, 2014 at 11:36 AM

The problem is, the parties have BOTH shifted left over the last 50+ years. There is a reason the TEA Party exists, and that’s because the GOP is no longer the party of lower taxes, smaller government and adherence to the Constitution.

The only reason the GOP “leadership” haven’t removed all references to those principles from their party planks, is because they still have to maintain the charade to eek out the last few Conservative votes they can muster.

But make no mistake, this is NOT Reagan’s Republican party. Far from it.

Meople on August 27, 2014 at 11:49 AM

Meople, if you the current republican party is LESS conservative than reagan, your’re an idiot.

everdiso on August 27, 2014 at 11:52 AM

This election will be the beginning death throes of the republican party. No party can survive that regularly craps all over it’s own base.

trigon on August 27, 2014 at 11:55 AM

As someone who lives in Kansas and votes here I can tell you. The people are ticked off at embedded GOP stinkers like Brownback and Roberts who attack libertarians, tea party members and conservatives(non social cons)and pass social con laws that do nothing to help education, unemployment, or immigration. These are just the basics. The voters here are looking to legalize marijuana and gambling. Brownback and Roberts are outdated for the new voter demographics here which tend to lean libertarian.

canditaylor68 on August 27, 2014 at 11:56 AM

Meople, if you the current republican party is LESS conservative than reagan, your’re an idiot.

everdiso on August 27, 2014 at 11:52 AM

You have no idea what a Conservative is. You only think you know because of the lies you’ve been told and believe.

trigon on August 27, 2014 at 11:57 AM

Meople, if you the current republican party is LESS conservative than reagan, your’re an idiot.

everdiso on August 27, 2014 at 11:52 AM

lol

Midas on August 27, 2014 at 12:00 PM

Hmm. Roberts unpopular with the base?!!! Who would’ve think it??? Everybody.

Brock Robamney on August 27, 2014 at 12:00 PM

Meople, if you the current republican party is LESS conservative than reagan, your’re an idiot.

everdiso on August 27, 2014 at 11:52 AM

Wow your ignorance is astounding. If the GOP still gave a damn about lower taxes and smaller government, there wouldn’t BE a TEA Party in the first place. The fact that there is, SHOULD tell you all you need to know about the current ideological bent of the GOP.

Meople on August 27, 2014 at 12:01 PM

Any “conservative” who votes for Orman is nuts. Other than immigration, he’s to the left on pretty much every issue (go to his website if you don’t believe me). And his stance on immigration won’t mean much if Harry Reid is still in charge of the Senate (if the Dem wins, or if Orman wins and decides to caucus with the Dems – e says he’ll caucus with the majority and if it’s 50R amd 49D plus VP he gets to decide who the majoirty is)

BuzzCrutcher on August 27, 2014 at 12:01 PM

Meople, if you the current republican party is LESS conservative than reagan, your’re an idiot.

everdiso/lester on August 27, 2014 at 11:52 AM

Idiot on display.

Inglish is hard.

Schadenfreude on August 27, 2014 at 12:02 PM

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