Quotes of the day

posted at 10:31 pm on August 27, 2014 by Allahpundit

Barack Obama has a bad case of Syria déjà vu.

Nearly one year after he stood at the brink of ordering military action against Syria — but said he’d only step across if Congress agreed — the president finds himself in an eerily similar situation.

Then, as now, the world has been horrified by violence in the region. Then, as now, the drumbeat of increased military operations has grown louder. And then, as now, a president whose political rise was partly defined by his opposition to interventions abroad must decide whether to escalate American involvement, either on his own or with permission from Congress…

Members of Congress are feeling déjà vu of their own — now, like last year, they are worried about the prospect of a tough vote to authorize an attack in Syria. Defense advocates already complain that Obama has done nothing to sell his plan to arm and train vetted Syrian rebels, and even some of his own allies worry he will put in a similarly lackluster effort if he decides to order an attack sooner.

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President Obama wants to decide by the end of the week whether or not his war in Iraq against the Islamic State will expand to the group’s haven in eastern Syria. But nearly everything about the potential military campaign is still in flux, administration officials tell The Daily Beast—from the goals of the effort to the intelligence needed to carry it out.

ISIS’s murder of American photojournalist James Foley and its continued military expansion have pushed the administration into an urgent drive to take action against the Islamic extremists in Syria. Despite the new urgency, the plans for such a strike are far from complete. In a series of high-level meetings Tuesday—including one gathering of the Principals’ Committee, the administration’s top national security officials—White House staffers and cabinet secretaries alike struggled to come up with answers to basic questions about the potential strikes. Among the unresolved issues: whether the U.S. has reliable intelligence on ISIS targets in Syria; what the objectives and limits of the strikes would be; and how the administration would defend the action legally, diplomatically, and politically.

One huge unanswered question is whether the president will order the attacks, or whether he will ultimately balk, as he did this time last year after preparing for limited strikes against the Bashar al-Assad regime. One administration official working on Syria policy said the purpose of the meetings Tuesday was “to convince one man, Barack Obama,” to follow through on the rhetoric and widen the aims of the war to include destroying ISIS in both Iraq and Syria.

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Senior Pentagon officials have been conferring with the White House on hitting Islamic State targets just inside eastern Syria, from where the group launched an atrocity-filled offensive in mid-June that overran roughly half of Iraq and brought it to the outskirts of Baghdad, said two U.S. Defense officials.

The White House, however, has yet to request a formal proposal, said the Defense officials, who expressed frustration over what both separately called the administration’s “dithering.” They spoke on condition of anonymity because they weren’t authorized to discuss the issue publicly…

The officials compared the current situation to Obama’s hesitancy nearly one year ago to make good on a threat to attack Assad’s chemical weapons arsenal after what the United States and its allies charged were regime nerve gas attacks that killed hundreds of civilians.

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The United States has begun to mobilize a broad coalition of allies behind potential American military action in Syria and is moving toward expanded airstrikes in northern Iraq, administration officials said on Tuesday…

As Mr. Obama considered new strikes, the White House began its diplomatic campaign to enlist allies and neighbors in the region to increase their support for Syria’s moderate opposition and, in some cases, to provide support for possible American military operations. The countries likely to be enlisted include Australia, Britain, Jordan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and the United Arab Emirates, officials said.

The officials, who asked not to be named discussing sensitive internal deliberations, said they expected that Britain and Australia would be willing to join the United States in an air campaign. The officials said they also wanted help from Turkey, which has military bases that could be used to support an effort in Syria.

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As U.S. involvement in Iraq deepens, Sen. Tim Kaine is refusing to let Congress off the hook without a vote on approving military operations against the Islamic State…

“I will always support the president when he takes action to protect American service members and diplomats. But I am calling for the mission and objectives for this current significant military action against ISIL to be made clear to Congress, the American people, and our men and women in uniform. And Congress should vote up or down on it.”…

“Congressional approval for military action is very challenging, and it’s contentious, and it’s supposed to be. While this often frustrates the executive, it is how the system is supposed to work. And when presidents follow the rule, it generally works out for the best,” Kaine said in a June floor speech.

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The Hill quoted anonymous sources, who said it would be politically “stupid” for Obama to put Democratic Congress members in the position of having to vote for military action in Syria or Iraq. Sen. Tim Kaine (D-VA), who been pushing for vote, said, “The notion of, ‘Well, we don’t want to cast a hard vote before a midterm because it might be unpopular,’ that’s the job we volunteered for.”

Maddow imitated Congress’ position on the matter, saying, “Please let us keep complaining from the peanut gallery and throwing stuff. Please don’t actually make us be the decision makers on this, which the Constitution says we ought to be.”

On The Hill piece specifically, Maddow added, “It’s one of the biggest outbreaks of Democratic wuss-itude we’ve seen I think, in the press, in a long time. I understand why nobody put their names on those quotes. It’s sort of obscene.”

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This time, with the midterm elections just over two months away, lawmakers may be even less inclined to take a politically risky vote on military action.

“I see no reason to come to Congress because, if he does, it’ll just become a circus,” Rep. Steve Cohen, D-Tenn., said this week…

The clearest basis for military action would be a United Nations Security Council resolution. However, Obama is unlikely to get that authorization given that Russia, the biggest benefactor of Syrian President Bashar Assad, would likely wield its veto power unless military action were coordinated with the Syrian government.

Some international law experts argue that airstrikes could be justified as a matter of self-defense. Obama could argue that the Islamic State poses a threat to the U.S. and its allies from inside Syria, whose government is unwilling or unable to stop it.

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Obama should seek congressional approval before ordering any strikes on Syria because the law compels him to do so, but that isn’t the only argument for a legislative vote:

— The legislature is in a better position than the executive branch to carry out the will of the American people, which ought to dictate United States foreign policy.

— A congressional debate can help to test the arguments for intervention, which may well be wanting given the dearth of public scrutiny they’ve gotten.

— Every two years, Americans decide whether to keep or oust their representatives in the House. Knowing where they stand on hugely consequential matters of national policy is integral to the American system functioning.

— A war to defeat ISIS would be a huge undertaking. Embarking without the support of the citizenry casts doubt on whether the country would see the effort through.

— It is dangerous to give a single man the power to take a nation to war without anyone being able to do a thing to stop him. It is, in fact, anti-Madisonian.

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Politically palatable narrowness could be accomplished in four easy steps:

Authorize force only against ISIS. One criticism of the 2001 AUMF is that it identifies the enemy too broadly, allowing all manner of entities to come under its force authorization. Identifying IS specifically will attenuate this concern. And if Congress (or the President) worries about the authorization being extended by interpretation to associates of IS (as two administrations have now done with the 2001 AUMF), Congress can specify that associated forces are not included within the IS force authorization. If associates of ISIS present a dangerous threat, the President can always rely on Article II.

Authorize force only in Iraq and, if the President deems necessary, in Syria. One objection to the 2001 AUMF is that it lacks geographical limitation. To address this, Congress can simply limit the geographic scope of its authorization, perhaps to Iraq and Syria. If dangerous and threatening ISIS members show up in other countries, the President can still rely on Article II.

Make plain that the authorization doesn’t include the introduction of U.S. ground troops in either country. The President keeps mentioning this, and so it should not be a problem to put this limit in the authorization itself. And again, the President always has Article II as a basis to introduce Special Operations Forces, CIA operatives, and even ground troops in a true emergency. (Or Congress could go further and affirmatively ban the introduction of traditional ground troops, perhaps with an exception for emergency situations to protect U.S. lives.)

Place a time limit – a sunset clause – on the authorization.

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A year ago, Obama sought approval from Congress to engage militarily in Syria, as Paul urges, but Congress balked. Facing stiff resistance from lawmakers of both parties, the matter never even came up for a vote.

According to Paul, that’s how the system is supposed to work.

“Think what would have happened had we seriously degraded Assad to the point where he was overrun, think who would be in charge of Syria right now?” Paul asked before answering his own rhetorical question: ”ISIS.” In conclusion, Paul said:

“So we are very lucky that the American people are much wiser than Hillary Clinton, and much wiser than the president. We got the president and Hillary Clinton to slow down, but Hillary Clinton was widely reported to be the chief person proposing that we get involved in Syria. But really the only person directly involved in bombing ISIS’s bases right now is the Syrian government—so for all their wrongs, we’re actually quite lucky we didn’t have regime change, because I think it is a very realistic prediction that, had we had that happen, that ISIS would be in charge of Syria. Really, Syria, with Assad and all this war, is somewhat of a counter to the power of ISIS.”

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One problem with mounting a similar coalition—or even unilateral American action—against ISIS in Syria is precisely this question: Who benefits? Who, or what, would the war be fought for? Syrian President Bashar al-Assad? He would be the biggest beneficiary, but he’s also a mass murderer (very awkward for Obama, who once said “Assad must go”) and Iran’s leading Shiite ally (unpalatable to the region’s Sunni leaders). As for the “moderate” anti-Assad rebels, they don’t seem to be an organized, or perhaps even organizable, force, and perhaps they never were. (If Obama had listened to his advisers and armed these rebels last year, it’s quite likely that the weapons would have wound up in ISIS arsenals by now, just like the U.S.-supplied armored vehicles that the Iraqi army abandoned at ISIS’s first onslaught.)…

After the surveillance and the intelligence assessments, Obama may launch airstrikes against ISIS convoys mounting on the Syrian-Iraqi border. But what would be the consequence of bashing ISIS well inside Syria? What would be our interests in doing so? Who would go in with us? Who would carry the burden of the fight and, even more, the cleanup afterward? (Not us, not likely!)…

It’s a phenomenal thing: Everybody hates ISIS—the United States, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Jordan, Israel. Nearly all Middle Eastern countries and their big-power backers (including Russia and probably China too) would like to see it crushed. And ISIS itself has no nation-state allies; it thrives on looting, ransom, and the sectarian or ideological divides that block its vast array of enemies from uniting. To the extent ISIS “wins,” if it really does turn a country or swath of territory into an Islamist state, its victory will stem not from its military strength or popular appeal, but from the political dysfunction and misguided moral purity of its foes.

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Via RCP.


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It already feels like Autumn here…

OmahaConservative on August 28, 2014 at 2:51 AM

I’m so ready for autumn. My favorite time of year.

4Grace on August 28, 2014 at 2:56 AM

I’m so ready for autumn. My favorite time of year.

4Grace on August 28, 2014 at 2:56 AM

Yup, mine too, darlin’

OmahaConservative on August 28, 2014 at 2:57 AM

It’s almost autumn? Well you know what that means. Twerp has to set her clocks 1 hour and 12 minutes ahead.

SpongePuppy on August 28, 2014 at 2:58 AM

Hooray! We made it to page 4 tonight. :)

cat_owner on August 28, 2014 at 2:59 AM

I’ll be glad when the Hostas are dead. I hate Hostas…

OmahaConservative on August 28, 2014 at 3:01 AM

Gary Clark JR. / If Trouble Was Money

kcewa on August 28, 2014 at 3:01 AM

Yep. I’m a compressibly adorable SpongePuppy. But I’m also claustrophobic.

SpongePuppy on August 28, 2014 at 2:52 AM

You are most definitely adorable. The most adorable SpongePuppy I have ever met. Ever.

Your claustrophobia could probably be lessened if you would switch from the 3D Kate posters to just a simple photo. At least until you find a larger home.

4Grace on August 28, 2014 at 3:01 AM

I’ll be glad when the Hostas are dead. I hate Hostas…

OmahaConservative on August 28, 2014 at 3:01 AM

Me Too. What are Hostas?

kcewa on August 28, 2014 at 3:02 AM

JIMMY CARTER TO HEADLINE FUNDRAISER FOR HAMAS FRONT GROUP

Former President Jimmy Carter is the featured keynote speaker at this weekend’s Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) convention at Detroit’s Cobo Hall.

The Justice Department recently implicated ISNA, which claims to be America’s largest Muslim organization, as the lead conduit in a scheme to illegally pass on $12 million to Hamas, the Palestinian terror group established to annihilate the State of Israel. Hamas is officially designated a terrorist group by the US government.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/08/27/Jimmy-Carter-To-Headline-Fundraiser-for-Hamas-Front-Group

cat_owner on August 28, 2014 at 3:03 AM

This is an interesting read:
http://m.mentalfloss.com/article.php?id=58468

bluegill on August 28, 2014 at 3:03 AM

Hooray! We made it to page 4 tonight. :)

cat_owner on August 28, 2014 at 2:59 AM

Lol

4Grace on August 28, 2014 at 3:04 AM

kcewa on August 28, 2014 at 3:01 AM

You’re spinning some great tunes. Thank you.

4Grace on August 28, 2014 at 3:06 AM

4Grace on August 28, 2014 at 3:06 AM

:)

kcewa on August 28, 2014 at 3:07 AM

JIMMY CARTER TO HEADLINE FUNDRAISER FOR HAMAS FRONT GROUP

So what’s new?

kcewa on August 28, 2014 at 3:08 AM

4Grace on August 28, 2014 at 3:01 AM

Kate posters are double D not 3D. LOL

SpongePuppy on August 28, 2014 at 3:09 AM

Autumn is pancake season with maple syrup.

SpongePuppy on August 28, 2014 at 3:10 AM

kcewa on August 28, 2014 at 3:08 AM

Unfortunately it doesn’t surprise me. I used to think Carter was a decent man at least. But this is inexcusable.

cat_owner on August 28, 2014 at 3:11 AM

SpongePuppy on August 28, 2014 at 3:10 AM

And pumpkin pie. :)

cat_owner on August 28, 2014 at 3:13 AM

Me Too. What are Hostas?

kcewa on August 28, 2014 at 3:02 AM

Stupid green plants that grow weird alien tendril flowers at the end of summer. The ol’ lady has em growing everywhere. I’d mow em down, but she cuts the grass…

OmahaConservative on August 28, 2014 at 3:13 AM

I used to think Carter was a decent man at least. But this is inexcusable.

cat_owner on August 28, 2014 at 3:11 AM

I just hate to call you naive. Carter is an enemy…

OmahaConservative on August 28, 2014 at 3:15 AM

Did he get his Hello World program working? Huge

SpongePuppy on August 28, 2014 at 2:55 AM

OMG! The text was “Hello World”!

. . . I changed it, though. To what the button is supposed to say. I actually prayed about it. :) It’s a big deal. :) That text comes up, a massive, brand new, completely independent UI underneath it suddenly comes to life. So, basically, these are my entire system’s first words.

“Play.” :)

. . . I’m saving “let there be light” for the VR.

Axe on August 28, 2014 at 3:15 AM

SpongePuppy on August 28, 2014 at 3:09 AM

Lol. I had a hunch the words “double D” would would be mentioned.

4Grace on August 28, 2014 at 3:17 AM

Meh. Making 4Grace invisible is going to be tricky. I haven’t fooled with negative quanta beaming for a long time . . .

I still can’t find my dog.

Axe on August 28, 2014 at 3:17 AM

OmahaConservative on August 28, 2014 at 3:15 AM

With a headline like that, I’d have to agree. The media ignores this story, but maybe they wouldn’t if it was Bush instead of Carter.

But then, considering the media coverage and how much of it is pro Hamas, maybe not.

cat_owner on August 28, 2014 at 3:18 AM

Unfortunately it doesn’t surprise me. I used to think Carter was a decent man at least. But this is inexcusable.

cat_owner on August 28, 2014 at 3:11 AM

I really don’t understand His love affair with the Muslim terrorists. The only explanation is Anti-Semitism so ingrained that He doesn’t even see it. There must have been something or someone in His childhood that warped Him.

kcewa on August 28, 2014 at 3:19 AM

cat_owner on August 28, 2014 at 3:18 AM

I still have trouble wrapping my head around how many American Jews are Pro Hamas…

OmahaConservative on August 28, 2014 at 3:20 AM

Unfortunately it doesn’t surprise me. I used to think Carter was a decent man at least. But this is inexcusable.

cat_owner on August 28, 2014 at 3:11 AM

I understand your point. Many years ago, I just saw him as a Christian man that was an inept President. Time and time again, he has shown himself to be petty, bitter, and no friend of Israel or our country’s founding principles.

4Grace on August 28, 2014 at 3:20 AM

kcewa on August 28, 2014 at 3:19 AM

I don’t understand it either, but he’s obviously very pro Hamas. I think you could be right that it is so ingrained he doesn’t even realize it. Yet he was a Baptist Sunday school teacher at one time.

And to think this dude won the Nobel Peace prize. But then so did Dear Leader, and Yasser Arafat of all people.

cat_owner on August 28, 2014 at 3:23 AM

Axe on August 28, 2014 at 3:17 AM

Laughing so hard. There are days when it would not bother me at all if no one could find me. Fortunately, those days are few and far between. :)

4Grace on August 28, 2014 at 3:23 AM

I still have trouble wrapping my head around how many American Jews are Pro Hamas…

OmahaConservative on August 28, 2014 at 3:20 AM

Yeah that’s just totally insane. I also don’t understand why the majority of them vote for the dims.

I understand your point. Many years ago, I just saw him as a Christian man that was an inept President. Time and time again, he has shown himself to be petty, bitter, and no friend of Israel or our country’s founding principles.

4Grace on August 28, 2014 at 3:20 AM

Yes, those were my sentiments too. I thought he was a good Christian man who meant well, but was in way over his head. Certainly his image was of a wholesome, upstanding guy.

Turned out to be completely false. I’m not a fan of some Rs, but I really cant stand any D.

And I hope his grandson loses badly in November. Maybe then we will have heard the last from the Carters.

cat_owner on August 28, 2014 at 3:27 AM

And I hope his grandson loses badly in November. Maybe then we will have heard the last from the Carters.

cat_owner on August 28, 2014 at 3:27 AM

That last line made me realize…ex-president Obama will be Carter on steroids.

4Grace on August 28, 2014 at 3:33 AM

Early alarm for tomorrow.

I wish you all a blessed Thursday.

Goodnight!

4Grace on August 28, 2014 at 3:35 AM

4Grace on August 28, 2014 at 3:33 AM

Pretty much. I actually expect he will be so politically poisonous by 2017 that no one will want him around. We are seeing evidence of that now.

He won’t make the $100 million plus that Bill and Hillary did, but he won’t be destitute by any stretch either.

cat_owner on August 28, 2014 at 3:36 AM

Goodnight!

4Grace on August 28, 2014 at 3:35 AM

Dream well

kcewa on August 28, 2014 at 3:37 AM

4Grace on August 28, 2014 at 3:35 AM

Good night. Hope you have a good Thursday too.

cat_owner on August 28, 2014 at 3:38 AM

Early alarm for tomorrow.

I wish you all a blessed Thursday.

Goodnight!

4Grace on August 28, 2014 at 3:35 AM

Night, Grace.

Axe on August 28, 2014 at 3:47 AM

Until ISIS blows up a golf course, Obama is indifferent.

profitsbeard on August 28, 2014 at 4:03 AM

Bob Dylan – Sweetheart Like You

kcewa on August 28, 2014 at 2:21 AM

Neighborhood Bully

williamg on August 28, 2014 at 4:17 AM

License To Kil…..

“But there’s a Woman, on block, She just sits there in a Cold Chill and says Who’s Gonna Take Away His License To Kil……”

…..the Woman is Israel or America………

…..Bob’s view of Islam:

“Now he worships at an altar of a stagnant pool
And when he sees his reflection, he’s fulfilled

Oh, man is opposed to fair play
He wants it all and he wants it his way.”

williamg on August 28, 2014 at 4:24 AM

Good morning ladies and gentlemen. My exciting day consists of going to the laundromat.

crankyoldlady on August 28, 2014 at 4:25 AM

Good morning ladies and gentlemen. My exciting day consists of going to the laundromat.

crankyoldlady on August 28, 2014 at 4:25 AM

Be careful.

kcewa on August 28, 2014 at 4:34 AM

Stupid green plants that grow weird alien tendril flowers at the end of summer. The ol’ lady has em growing everywhere. I’d mow em down, but she cuts the grass…

OmahaConservative on August 28, 2014 at 3:13 AM

Dig them up one by one when she isn’t there. I hate them too but they are hard to dig. However there are a bunch of white blooming ones out back that look spectacular in the shade.

crankyoldlady on August 28, 2014 at 4:39 AM

Be careful.

kcewa on August 28, 2014 at 4:34 AM

I will. You never know what could happen there.

crankyoldlady on August 28, 2014 at 4:40 AM

GRATEFUL DEAD – SUNSHINE DAYDREAM

kcewa on August 28, 2014 at 4:48 AM

I will. You never know what could happen there.

crankyoldlady on August 28, 2014 at 4:40 AM

Epic Parenting Fail at a Laundromat

kcewa on August 28, 2014 at 4:53 AM

Good morning y’all

cmsinaz on August 28, 2014 at 6:01 AM

Joe on gun rant day 2

Blame goes around to both the parents and the instructor

cmsinaz on August 28, 2014 at 6:03 AM

2nd American who joined Isis died in fire fight

You join the bad guys suffer the consequence

cmsinaz on August 28, 2014 at 6:07 AM

Authorize force only against ISIS. One criticism of the 2001 AUMF is that it identifies the enemy too broadly, allowing all manner of entities to come under its force authorization. Identifying IS specifically will attenuate this concern. And if Congress (or the President) worries about the authorization being extended by interpretation to associates of IS (as two administrations have now done with the 2001 AUMF), Congress can specify that associated forces are not included within the IS force authorization. If associates of ISIS present a dangerous threat, the President can always rely on Article II.

Place a time limit – a sunset clause – on the authorization.

From what I can see the 2001 CAUF is still in place. No peace treaty was signed with the new government. Obama walked away from the SOFA peace process without finalizing it, which would have ended the 2001 CAUF. Obama was sending flunkies to the Hill a month ago to try and get the 2001 CAUF REPEALED which means that he recognizes that he is STILL ON THE HOOK FOR IT.

What to see Obama giving the finger to D’s, R’s and the Nation as a whole? Just cite the 2001 CAUF, that ISIS is not being stopped by a neighboring State that has lost ground to ISIS which now occupies a no-man’s-land and that he is going in to mop the place up. Congress can whine and moan about it, but then THEY are the ones on the hook to actually AMEND or REPEAL the 2001 CAUF and get Obama to SIGN IT.

This has been my #1 complaint about the 2001 CAUF in that it is so vast, so broad, so expansive that any President could cite a network of terrorists in multiple Nations and then ask those Nations to either step up to the plate and rid themselves of those networks or we will do it for them to stop the supplies to terrorists in Iraq. That is because terrorists are NOT part of a Nation State and NOT amenable to the laws of war and yet Congress, in its vast wisdom tries to TREAT THEM LIKE THAT.

Terrorists wage Private War against Nations and the system of Nation States, thus becoming Pirates in the doing. Congress has a whole set of war making powers SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED for such groups and the regular military only plays a role and not necessarily a leading role in them. By not understanding their OWN powers Congress put this Nation at risk of starting a global conflict via our regular forces while it has the power to put in place an accountability system for citizens to muster up to so as to go after them on a PRIVATE BASIS. And, please, in this modern age the need to go just after the equipment, goods and supplies is now attached to globalized banking accounts that can be monitored in case any of our citizens with such authorizations go off the rails. We are no longer in the age of messages taking weeks or months to get across an ocean… although we have a President who, apparently, gets his stuff a bit tardily from newspapers which is quaint, at best.

Someone needs to call Congress on its language in a very real way, and as it would harm the Nation and be divisive, plus put a huge campaign issue out there that would rile both parties and his own base, which he has taken to abusing, Obama is just the man to do such a thing. And sending that flunky up to the Hill is a demonstration that he knows that he CAN DO THIS. If this is what it takes to finally put a fire under the seats of Congresscritters and the MFM, and force some people to do some actual research and figure out just what these Constitutional powers ARE and how they are to be properly executed, then so be it. The Left will hate him, the Right will hate him, average Americans will come to despise him and yet such an action which is so very divisive is, at the same time, clarifying on what Obama is and what he wants to do, plus it requires some people to get out of their mental straightjackets they have put themselves into for the past 60 years and actually ask themselves ‘what is terrorism as an activity shorn of all the rhetoric around it?’

The answer is disturbing if you haven’t bothered to actually look into the question and think that all this post-WWII era thought is right. If you can’t even entertain the notion that we have been excusing barbarism to political ends, then you are unprepared to even research the question much less want to accept the answers. And yet that is what civilized people do and even when the answers are unpalatable, indeed horrific, when they are logical, factual and reasonable then it is reason that must over-ride one’s emotions and come to terms with the fact that being civilized is not the same as being nice to everyone or that it is the natural state of man. Too many on all parts of the political spectrum believe too much nonsense and thus are no longer able to be civilized. Obama is fractious, conniving, power-hungry and quite awful in what he wants… but he is also, because of those horrific traits, the one to exploit a situation to what he thinks is his own divisive ends and in so doing create the atmosphere where people have to actually ask themselves some basic questions… or just accept that civilization is at an end because they refuse to act as civilized people.

I live in fear of that moment. I prepare for that moment. Guns, ammo, food, water… the basics and prepare to be a help to our fellow citizens during troubled times that may lead to a Dark Age with Iron Times.

I do not want that moment as it can descend so easily into chaos it is not funny and at every turn I urge people to actually examine what terrorism is and why this is a crucial distinction between being civilized and being savage because there are alternatives to this moment. Alternatives that have been squandered in useless, pointless partisan bickering still continue to this very day.

So be it.

I have shown what the pathways are to the way out to be civilized, and that is my duty to my fellow man as citizen. I have begged, urged and put before people the alternatives that are still available right up to the moment action is taken.

I also welcome it as it is necessary if we are to SURVIVE as a species and as a Nation.

The duty of a citizen to be civilized is a duty to remaining civilized and being a help to the civilized while making sure that that savage man can be addressed as he wishes to be addressed and that is means red of tooth and claw. Duty is not by definition fun. It is, however, necessary.

Now we shall see if the fate of having a civilized way will depend on one of the worst people on this planet acting as he has always acted in his nature. That is not a good thing, this moment we come upon, and you have been warned of it. It is nearly here and I’m not talking years, months or days anymore.

ajacksonian on August 28, 2014 at 6:25 AM

Now we shall see if the fate of having a civilized way will depend on one of the worst people on this planet acting as he has always acted in his nature. That is not a good thing, this moment we come upon, and you have been warned of it. It is nearly here and I’m not talking years, months or days anymore.

ajacksonian on August 28, 2014 at 6:25 AM

when our fellow citizens are lying in pools of bloods at the hands of ISIS, is when the eyes of the American people will be opened.

Till then, shut up you wingnut chemtrails loons

renalin on August 28, 2014 at 6:40 AM

Professing to be wise, they became fools.

– Romans 1:22

My take: The War Against Christianity: Satanic Mass Approved By Oklahoma City Government

kingsjester on August 28, 2014 at 6:53 AM

So what’s up with all the Minnesota Jihadis?

I’m beginning to get very suspicious of Bishop.

Happy Nomad on August 28, 2014 at 7:00 AM

Joe on gun rant day 2

Blame goes around to both the parents and the instructor

cmsinaz on August 28, 2014 at 6:03 AM

On this I agree with Joe.

Happy Nomad on August 28, 2014 at 7:03 AM

ajacksonian on August 28, 2014 at 6:25 AM

+1

Happy Nomad on August 28, 2014 at 7:03 AM

blame must be taken by all parties imho…i don’t think folks should be suing the gun range though….the parents allowed this

cmsinaz on August 28, 2014 at 7:16 AM

blame must be taken by all parties imho…i don’t think folks should be suing the gun range though….the parents allowed this

cmsinaz on August 28, 2014 at 7:16 AM

The parents allowed a small 9-year-old to fire an Uzi in full auto mode…..but so did the instructor and the gun range.

There is nothing but unsatisfactory ways that this is going to be resolved. And in the end, one family lost their dad while another has a child who has to be traumatized.

Happy Nomad on August 28, 2014 at 7:27 AM

Good morning ladies and gentlemen. My exciting day consists of going to the laundromat.

crankyoldlady on August 28, 2014 at 4:25 AM

Moring COL, 88F and low humidity. College football started last night and folks around these parts (SEC country) go crazy this time of year.

Hope you are well and good vibes to all the rest.

National Bow Tie Day (HT to HN)
Race your mouse day
Radio commercials day
Crackers over the keyboard day (Made me think of a certain HA poster)

HonestLib on August 28, 2014 at 7:28 AM

Race your mouse day

Crackers over the keyboard day

HonestLib on August 28, 2014 at 7:28 AM

Depending on the type of mouse (computer accessory or live animal) you are racing, you could combine these two for some fun.

Happy Nomad on August 28, 2014 at 7:33 AM

Happy Nomad on August 28, 2014 at 7:27 AM

*sigh*

HonestLib on August 28, 2014 at 7:28 AM

crackers over the keyboard-hmmmm
mr cmsinaz would not be too happy about that….

cmsinaz on August 28, 2014 at 7:42 AM

And in the end, one family lost their dad while another has a child who has to be traumatized.

Happy Nomad on August 28, 2014 at 7:27 AM

The gun range shouldn’t have been working with a child that young. I would say 12 is old enough.

crankyoldlady on August 28, 2014 at 7:43 AM

National Bow Tie Day (HT to HN)
Race your mouse day
Radio commercials day
Crackers over the keyboard day (Made me think of a certain HA poster)

HonestLib on August 28, 2014 at 7:28 AM

I refuse to wear a bowtie. Everyday is crackers day. Maybe I could do that with my mice. It’s not like the cats are doing anything with them.

crankyoldlady on August 28, 2014 at 7:45 AM

Forty degrees here at 5:45 a.m. mountain time. And poop, I have that Bigfoot hunt, camp out story to cover tomorrow night. I’m not leaving my tent. Even if they find Bigfoot.

Walter L. Newton on August 28, 2014 at 7:47 AM

The gun range shouldn’t have been working with a child that young. I would say 12 is old enough.

crankyoldlady on August 28, 2014 at 7:43 AM

Not the age the gun. Began teaching my granddaughter at eight with a single shot 22 rifle.

wifarmboy on August 28, 2014 at 8:09 AM

ajacksonian on August 28, 2014 at 6:25 AM

Encountered the typical young person last night at the grocery store cash register. Asked me how things are going. Answered, “Good”. Wanted to know why just “good”, not “great”. Said, “The state of the world”.

What followed was a frustrating attempt to get this teenager to allow that someone who has lived at least three of his lifetimes might have a better grasp on the trajectory of history than he does and that his “hope” he kept referring to was an illusion fueled by his desire to live in fantasyland and the relative comfort of that specific moment in time.

They are not prepared.

Cleombrotus on August 28, 2014 at 8:12 AM

Crackers over the keyboard day…

HonestLib on August 28, 2014 at 7:28 AM

Racist.

Fallon on August 28, 2014 at 8:21 AM

They are not prepared.

Cleombrotus on August 28, 2014 at 8:12 AM

Kids never are are they? They haven’t lived long enough to know what’s what.

crankyoldlady on August 28, 2014 at 8:24 AM

Racist.

Fallon on August 28, 2014 at 8:21 AM

Chuckle.

There is a bumper sticker I see from time to timee….RACIST? No, I hate everybody equally!

HonestLib on August 28, 2014 at 8:55 AM

crankyoldlady on August 28, 2014 at 8:24 AM

There is that, of course. But I can’t help but think that our culture is keeping them adolescent in their thinking long past the time when they should be maturing. More so than in times past.

Cleombrotus on August 28, 2014 at 9:02 AM

I’ll be glad when the Hostas are dead. I hate Hostas…

OmahaConservative on August 28, 2014 at 3:01 AM

Me Too. What are Hostas?

kcewa on August 28, 2014 at 3:02 AM

An announcer on some sports channel. He seems to cover mostly football and make occasional, socially acceptable, politically correct comments.

Solaratov on August 28, 2014 at 9:19 AM

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