Awful: Nine-year-old girl accidentally shoots instructor with Uzi

posted at 5:21 pm on August 27, 2014 by Allahpundit

The lesson here would seem obvious — don’t let children shoot highly dangerous weapons that they’re not physically strong enough to control — but that lesson’s too prosaic for our “national conversation.”

Knowing next to nothing about guns, I feel intuitively that “nine-year-old” plus “submachine gun” equals “bad idea.” Charles Cooke, who knows a lot about guns, says yeah, bad idea.

As a general rule, smaller people — especially children — are restricted to smaller weapons that are commensurate with their size. At my range, kids who are being taught to shoot are not only limited to .22LR ammunition but also to long guns that they can get their shoulder behind. That way, if the gun pushes back, it hits something solid. This may cause bruising, sure. But it’s unlikely to be dropped or to fly upwards — or, heaven forbid, to kill somebody. When American children used to go to school with a rifle slung over their back, it was almost certainly a low-powered .22. There weren’t many Tommy Guns in American classrooms.

An Uzi, on the other hand, seems to be the worst of both worlds – especially when it is chambered in a larger caliber. Because their recoil tends to push the weapon upwards, handguns are inherently more difficult for young people to control. This is especially so when they keep firing upon a single trigger pull. Frankly, it is difficult to imagine a gun less suited to a small girl. Contra the Piers Morgans of the world, I don’t think it tells us too much about the law, nor do I think it’s that relevant to the question of firearms in the United States. But it does suggest gross negligence on the behalf of the range, the instructor, and the parents.

Other experts who spoke to CNN are mystified by the lack of precautions taken:

[Greg] Danas questioned why the instructor in Arizona was standing immediately to the left of the Uzi, which would have recoiled in that direction

“Teaching people machine gun 101, even with adults, even with people going through military training, the first few times they shoot machine guns you don’t have them shoot a full freaking clip,” [Steven Howard] said. “The thing begins to fire and it begins to jump and buck all over the place. Your first human instinct is for your hands to clamp down, and you clamp down on the trigger and if the thing has a 32-round magazine … it starts spraying all over and people get killed.”

The instructor was 39. No criminal charges are pending against the gun range but they’re guaranteed to face a whale of a negligence lawsuit from the little girl for the trauma she’s suffered and probably one from the instructor’s estate. Whether those suits are likely to prevail or to fail on grounds of contributory negligence/assumption of risk I’ll leave to legal eagles to say in the comments.


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Just a child.

Bmore on August 27, 2014 at 11:08 PM

let me save you the math and do what you really want…have a melatonin threshold, above a certain amount of melatonin would act as a disqualifier…how bout that?

nonpartisan on August 27, 2014 at 10:13 PM

You just have got to be maybe the silliest poster ever. A fkn Harvard graduate and you don’t know melatonin from melanin? Do you know your ass from a hole in the ground?

arnold ziffel on August 27, 2014 at 11:09 PM

No. Not gonna click on the video. I’ll take your word for it.

Dumb idea.

Cleombrotus on August 27, 2014 at 11:15 PM

Fine line between:

“these idiots make us all look bad”

and

“we’re idiots and look like it”

everdiso on August 27, 2014 at 11:05 PM

.
Translation :

You Second Amendment defenders are WRONG, but you’re too stupid to know it … so it’s a GOOD thing us “socialized-government” minded people are here to correct you, and protect you from yourselves.
Just think if you were on your OWN . . . . .

.
B. S. . . . . . Barbra Streisand

listens2glenn on August 28, 2014 at 12:04 AM

No training or license required in AZ. If you own a gun you can conceal. No CCW needed.

The Notorious G.O.P on August 27, 2014 at 5:49 PM

We do have certification for CCW (permits), though, which afford easier gun purchases and reciprocity in other states. Apparently this fool that just got shot had one.

JannyMae on August 28, 2014 at 12:41 AM

I’ve never heard such wimpy hand-wringing and whining from so-called “Conservatives” on this site. Look people, I agree with the old dude in the news story: ACCIDENTS HAPPEN. Get over it! Look, should this have happened? No. In an ideal world, would this have happened? No. But we don’t live in an ideal world. Any of us could die of an accident at any moment. This guy could have just as easily been, for example, randomly smashed by a boulder. Or the dumb-a$$ could have been driving along drinking a hot coffee while texting with a cigarette hanging out of his mouth, and he could have dropped the cigarette into his lap, and then spilled the hot coffee into his lap, and rolled his Jeep, decapitating himself.

ACCIDENTS happen. But these days, everyone is so gay about accidents that they walk around on eggshells trying never to have an accident. I’m sure this spunky little tyke will be right back to playing with her friends in a couple of days and forget all about this. It’s not the end of the world.

In medieval times, when people had like 20 kids (like they should) they wouldn’t have thought twice about this, and would have gone right back to squeezing out babies (like we should all be doing now). This is why no one has kids anymore. They’re too worried about “accidents.” Meanwhile, Muzzies do crap like this on PURPOSE. Think Muzzies are worried about “accidents”? This is why they’re outbreeding us like flies. STOP WORRYING ABOUT “ACCIDENTS” AND START OUTBREEDING MUSLIM SCUM.

What her parents should be far more concerned about is preventing her from becoming a porn star, which is what 99% of chicks do these days the second they turn 18. If this girl can just manage not to be a porn star, and instead find a good man to marry and have like 20 babies, everything will turn out just fine.

WhatSlushfund on August 28, 2014 at 1:43 AM

Well, WhatSlushfund, that was…something. I believe it deserves a “Bless your heart.”

jrd on August 28, 2014 at 4:27 AM

No criminal charges are pending against the gun range but they’re guaranteed to face a whale of a negligence lawsuit from the little girl for the trauma she’s suffered and probably one from the instructor’s estate.

Why would you think that?

NotCoach on August 28, 2014 at 4:33 AM

I don’t think the obvious lesson is to not let a nine-year-old fire an uzi. I think the obvious lesson is that the instructor failed to properly instruct. Think of it as something like learning how to ride a bike without training wheels. Whoever is teaching you keeps you steady until you can keep yourself steady.

NotCoach on August 28, 2014 at 4:35 AM

All full automatic guns have a tendency to drift upwards. That’s why most soldiers have semis or select fire. The M-16 is limited to 3 shots with one pull.

rbj on August 27, 2014 at 5:33 PM

I think it has more to do with the fact that full auto is a waste of ammunition when firing at range. Full auto is typically used for suppression fire in the field.

NotCoach on August 28, 2014 at 4:39 AM

it’s already been proven that common people often lack the discipline to use guns properly (see this thread)

nonpartisan on August 27, 2014 at 9:33 PM

Or drive automobiles. Or walk. Both driving and walking result in far more deaths from each then death by firearm. Only the military and police should be allowed to have feet.

NotCoach on August 28, 2014 at 4:48 AM

is that a threat that you’re going to off me if I take your guns?

nonpartisan on August 27, 2014 at 9:48 PM

I should hope so. I think that anyone should off you if you attempt to unlawfully take anything from them.

NotCoach on August 28, 2014 at 4:50 AM

I sent my 9 year old to the gun range and she still shoots like a girl!

Joking aside, why would any adult think this was a good idea?
Didn’t an 8 year old boy kill himself a bout a year, or so, back?
Every adult involved in this brain dead situation is an idiot.

kregg on August 28, 2014 at 5:22 AM

That girl looks too small to handle anything bigger than a .22 rifle. I would not have given her a handgun in any caliber.

I let my son shoot under very close supervision at age 10. Graduated from .22LR rifle and pistol to 7.62mm bolt-action rifles, AR-15, and 9mm pistol. He keeps a firm grip and the guns don’t jump out of control. I even let him shoot a .45 – with only one round loaded. He didn’t let that kick up more than 30 degrees. I’ve heard of some yahoos handing a spouse/girlfriend a .45 with a full magazine without mentioning how much they can recoil. Many of the lucky gals got a big bruise on her forehead. The unlucky ones put the second round there instead.

Picaro on August 28, 2014 at 6:28 AM

Fine line between:

“these idiots make us all look bad”

and

“we’re idiots and look like it”

everdiso on August 27, 2014 at 11:05 PM

 
Thanks in advance, lester.

rogerb on August 28, 2014 at 6:49 AM

The military fires full auto from the prone or from a tripod mount. With the A-gunner to the RIGHT. And at the range, with a safety or ammo bearer directly behind the gun team.

Why on Earth didn’t he hand the girl a magazine with 5 rounds in it at least to start?

And why the Hell wasn’t he standing immediately behind her?

Fully automatic weapons are not the bug-a-boo the Left wants you to believe. They are area suppression weapons, and frankly if you want to kill individual targets you’re better off with a semi-auto with decent sights.

But you have to treat any full auto with respect. I’ve seen trained Soldiers freak out when the weapon jams and won’t quit firing, until some experienced NCO dives in an breaks the links on the ammo before the barrel melts on a 240B.

This was just horrible judgment all around.

Professor Blather on August 28, 2014 at 7:54 AM

Knowing next to nothing about guns almost disqualifies you from commenting on this, like me commenting on the procedures during a brain surgery.

That said, the short video shows the errors by the instructor. Not a bad ones, just freak mistakes combining into a tragedy.(And the demonic anti-gunners are probably howling over this while sipping their lattes.)

He did not prepare the girl properly with stance and hold. He should have let her shoot more than one before flipping the switch, but that is a judgement call he paid for. Having a full mag, as it appears, allowed for the rotation to continue into him. Again, I NEVER run a full mag with anyone who hasn’t been fully vetted. Heck I never put more than a few round in an semi-auto unless I’ve seen the shooter handle the weapon.

From what I could see, he tried to grab it and missed as it rotated around.

Nine years old isn’t the denominator. Bad training and bad tactics were.

I know a kid that has been shooting competitively since he was that age, and he was physically smaller than the girl. He now shoot three gun and runs a 9mm Glock and his AR so fast it sounds like a saw at times.

Again, sorry for his loss, But I’m glad it’s him and not the girl, and this is a reminder that being aware of all possibilities should rule the day, not assuming anything. She’ll suffer this forever, another caution when dealing with the finality of guns.

Guns are dangerous tools. But so is a saw, a hammer, nail gun etc.

(For example, our department worked a death of a construction worker who had his cement saw bite something and jump back hitting him in the neck and killed him dead right there. You couldn’t duplicate that freak accident again if you tried.)

Use things that can kill you with respect.

archer52 on August 28, 2014 at 8:15 AM

how about a simpler rule…NO GUNS for anyone outside of law enforcement and soldiers?

nonpartisan on August 27, 2014 at 8:14 PM

Why yes…let’s ban all items that can cause accidental death if used improperly.

…cars, knives, swimming pools, baseball bats, hair dryers…

Ricard on August 28, 2014 at 8:33 AM

it’s already been proven that common people often lack the discipline to use guns properly (see this thread)

nonpartisan on August 27, 2014 at 9:33 PM

According to FBI statistics, private citizens use firearms more often to prevent/stop crime than to perpetrate it by a ratio of 5:1.

Ricard on August 28, 2014 at 8:35 AM

you just proved my point…that you gun nuts think the only solution to every problem is violence and killing, it’s sad really

nonpartisan on August 27, 2014 at 10:04 PM

If the above is true then by necessity we would need to disarm law police and the national government.

Ricard on August 28, 2014 at 8:39 AM

…you gun nuts think the only solution to every problem is violence and killing, it’s sad really

nonpartisan on August 27, 2014 at 10:04 PM

…oh…and exactly how are you going relieve the gun owner of his/her guns, except by the ultimate use of violence?

Ricard on August 28, 2014 at 8:42 AM

listen2glens just plainly stated he would kill me rather than lose his right to own guns

nonpartisan on August 27, 2014 at 10:16 PM

…so..the Founders (and by extension the nation) are bad because they used force to establish and keep their rights, like speech, assembly, practice of religion, a representative (voting) form of government…

“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”

I remember hearing that before…probably some uneducated, unthinking. violent gun nut.

Ricard on August 28, 2014 at 8:50 AM

I have a better idea: An arbitrary dollar amount of net tax dollars paid other than sales. Maybe $1,000 net tax payers and above? That would weed out many parasites, looters and moochers while leaving most of the retired class intact.

Judge_Dredd on August 27, 2014 at 10:08 PM

let [sic] me save you the math and do what you really want…have a melatonin [sic] threshold, above a certain amount of melatonin [sic] would act as a disqualifier…how bout [sic] that?

nonpartisan on August 27, 2014 at 10:13 PM

You don’t think that black people have the capability to earn $1,000? You poor racist nut, you.

Ricard on August 28, 2014 at 8:56 AM

Waitaminnit! That CNN quote suggests that this was a fully automatic Uzi. Really? I’d think it more likely to be a semi-auto, in which case it wouldn’t be jumping all over. Anyway, the Uzi shoots a 9mm pistol cartridge, not exactly powerful, especially since it is popping out of a relatively heavy gun (which dampens recoil). I agree that she should be shooting a .22 single-shot at her age, but a semi-auto Uzi shouldn’t be outside of the realm of the possible for her.

Surellin on August 28, 2014 at 8:57 AM

A bullet-proof panel with a hole in into which you insert the barrel of the gun and fasten it…

Pest on August 28, 2014 at 9:36 AM

let me save you the math and do what you really want…have a melatonin threshold, above a certain amount of melatonin would act as a disqualifier…how bout that?

nonpartisan on August 27, 2014 at 10:13 PM

Why do you propose that? Are you suggesting that the parasites of society are more sleepy than others, which is what makes them non-productive?

how about a simpler rule…NO GUNS for anyone outside of law enforcement and soldiers?

nonpartisan on August 27, 2014 at 8:14 PM

Yes, because Ferguson has demonstrated the high level of confidence people should place in giving all the guns to government authorities.

The Schaef on August 28, 2014 at 9:42 AM

Fine line between:

“these idiots make us all look bad”

and

“we’re idiots and look like it”

everdiso on August 27, 2014 at 11:05 PM

Kinda like the fine line between “I never lost an argument here” and “I dropped a handful of snarky comments and then bailed on the thread when people challenged your assertions”, right?

The Schaef on August 28, 2014 at 9:44 AM

The Schaef on August 28, 2014 at 9:44 AM

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listens2glenn on August 28, 2014 at 10:33 AM

I don’t think the obvious lesson is to not let a nine-year-old fire an uzi. I think the obvious lesson is that the instructor failed to properly instruct.

NotCoach on August 28, 2014 at 4:35 AM

Even more than that, he failed to control the range. That’s the real failure. I’ve dealt with fully automatic weapons at the range before, and a good range instructor keeps his arm ready to block the weapon if it is going to go out of control. Simply placing his hand lightly on her forearms would have prevented the accident. (And, yes, I concur with folks on the number of rounds, too – no more than 8-10 rounds in a magazine until they demonstrate actual control of the weapon.)

how about a simpler rule…NO GUNS for anyone outside of law enforcement and soldiers?

nonpartisan on August 27, 2014 at 8:14 PM

Or, even simpler: No control for anyone who thinks only the government should have the means to use force?

GWB on August 28, 2014 at 10:35 AM

how about a simpler rule…NO GUNS for anyone outside of law enforcement and soldiers?

nonpartisan on August 27, 2014 at 8:14 PM

So you wanna live in a police state? I don’t.

Old eagle on August 28, 2014 at 10:43 AM

We do keep forgetting that people who are free are also free to be stupid with tragic results. Witness the re-election of Obama.

Ricard on August 28, 2014 at 10:45 AM

it’s already been proven that common people often lack the discipline to use guns properly (see this thread)

nonpartisan on August 27, 2014 at 9:33 PM

I’ts already been proven that police officers often lack the discipline to use guns properly. (See this video.)

Socratease on August 28, 2014 at 11:07 AM

how about a simpler rule…NO GUNS for anyone outside of law enforcement and soldiers?

nonpartisan on August 27, 2014 at 8:14 PM

So, you support Officer Wilson in the Ferguson drama?
Odd, I thought you’d be on the rioter/looter side of that one.

dentarthurdent on August 28, 2014 at 11:27 AM

Waitaminnit! That CNN quote suggests that this was a fully automatic Uzi. Really? I’d think it more likely to be a semi-auto, in which case it wouldn’t be jumping all over. Anyway, the Uzi shoots a 9mm pistol cartridge, not exactly powerful, especially since it is popping out of a relatively heavy gun (which dampens recoil). I agree that she should be shooting a .22 single-shot at her age, but a semi-auto Uzi shouldn’t be outside of the realm of the possible for her.

Surellin on August 28, 2014 at 8:57 AM

Read the first couple pages of the thread.
Yes – it’s a full auto mini Uzi. That range advertises for people to come and shoot full auto weapons – it’s their business – pay to play – like everything else around Las Vegas.

dentarthurdent on August 28, 2014 at 11:30 AM

how about a simpler rule…NO GUNS for anyone outside of law enforcement and soldiers?

nonpartisan on August 27, 2014 at 8:14 PM

Nazi Germany enacted this rule for the Jews and most other civilians. I’m guessing you haven’t thought this through in detail.

Perspicacious on August 28, 2014 at 11:44 AM

<blockquoteWaitaminnit! That CNN quote suggests that this was a fully automatic Uzi. Really? I’d think it more likely to be a semi-auto, in which case it wouldn’t be jumping all over. Anyway, the Uzi shoots a 9mm pistol cartridge, not exactly powerful, especially since it is popping out of a relatively heavy gun (which dampens recoil). I agree that she should be shooting a .22 single-shot at her age, but a semi-auto Uzi shouldn’t be outside of the realm of the possible for her.

Surellin on August 28, 2014 at 8:57 AM

It was full auto!

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Sven on August 28, 2014 at 11:52 AM

Fine line between:

“these idiots make us all look bad”

and

“we’re idiots and look like it”

everdiso on August 27, 2014 at 11:05 PM

Congrats – I couldn’t have described you, your fellow trolltards, and the liberal populace at large any better than you just did.

Midas on August 28, 2014 at 12:00 PM

how about a simpler rule…NO GUNS for anyone outside of law enforcement and soldiers?

nonpartisan on August 27, 2014 at 8:14 PM

Which gives the advantage to bigger, stronger people over weaker people. Example: rapist over victim.

Why do you hate women?

fossten on August 28, 2014 at 12:18 PM

An Uzi? I had a cheated childhood since Our dad started us kids with a single fire .22, firing shorts. Of course, we didn’t maim or kill anyone either (except some rats at the dump), so I guess it all balances out.

whatcat on August 28, 2014 at 12:21 PM

I blame the instructor for this. The instructor should have only allowed the young girl to shoot a gun whose recoil she could safely control. If the girl’s parents wanted her to learn to use guns, they could have started her with a rifle (for example, for game hunting), then trained her on more powerful guns when she became older and stronger.

Steve Z on August 28, 2014 at 12:22 PM

Surely there is negligence enough to go around. But the range is in business to make a profit from this activity and it has a duty to protect it customers from foreseeable and preventable risks and to inform them regarding risks that cannot be avoided. (If they have a any sense they will also have a a signed waiver regarding the latter, but that does not protect them for gross and criminal negligence.

I’m thinking the whole thing is stupid. You go to a shooting range for fun no? What fun is that for the kid? I’ve shot crappy rifles for teddy bears at a fairground a few times. That was huge fun. I really wouldn’t need more than that as a total beginner. Why Uzis? Uzis are hard on video games let alone for real.

Esperanza on August 28, 2014 at 2:01 PM

it’s already been proven that common people libtards often lack the discipline smarts to use guns properly vote (see this thread)

nonpartisan on August 27, 2014 at 9:33 PM

FIFY

txdoc on August 28, 2014 at 3:00 PM

The instructor was standing in the wrong spot.
He should have insisted she straighten her arms.
He doesn’t even know that he’s dead.

Tard on August 28, 2014 at 6:39 PM

how about a simpler rule…NO GUNS for anyone outside of law enforcement and soldiers?

nonpartisan on August 27, 2014 at 8:14 PM

How about a simpler rule? People who do not desire protection under our Constitution just cave in for the rest of us.

You simple-minded f-word-ing idiot.

hawkdriver on August 30, 2014 at 8:26 PM

Without getting into the debate about the wisdom of letting a 9 year old shoot a fully-automatic pistol – I just wanted to comment to something posted above – The reason the instructor would be standing to her left is that the weapon ejects to the right, sending searing hot brass right into the face of anybody trying to coach from that side…

RustMouse on August 31, 2014 at 6:36 AM

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