The long march: Libya’s capital falls to Islamists

posted at 6:41 pm on August 25, 2014 by Noah Rothman

It was the conflict which gave birth to the infamous and orphaned Obama doctrine of “leading from behind.” The coalition air war over Libya, a response to Muammar Gaddafi’s brutal efforts to suppress the Arab Spring rebellions in that country, was once touted by the administration as one of the president’s signature foreign policy achievements.

“After four decades of brutal dictatorship and eight months of deadly conflict, the Libyan people can now celebrate their freedom and the beginning of a new era of promise,” Obama said in a prepared statement delivered on October 23, 2011.

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton echoed the president and noted that Libya had been set on a path toward democracy. “The transitional authorities can build on this movement by promoting reconciliation and respect for human rights across Libyan society, while helping to prevent reprisals and ensuring the justice and due process that the Libyan people expect and deserve,” she said at the time.

“From Tripoli to Misurata to Benghazi — today, Libya is free,” Obama said in speech delivered before the United Nations. “This is how the international community is supposed to work — nations standing together for the sake of peace and security, and individuals claiming their rights.”

These celebrations were shown to be premature when a sophisticated terrorist attack against American diplomatic and CIA outposts in Benghazi resulted in the deaths of four Americans, including the U.S. ambassador to Libya. It was not until today, though, when the country’s capital fell to Islamist militants that the administration’s post-campaign Libya policy was exposed as utter folly.

“Libya’s Islamist militias said Sunday they have consolidated their hold on Tripoli and its international airport, driving out rival militias to the outskirts of the capital following a weekslong battle for control of the strategic hub,” The Washington Post reported on Monday.

The violence in Libya is rooted in the empowerment of militias after successive transitional governments since the 2011 ouster of longtime dictator Moammar Gadhafi depended on them to maintain order in the absence of a strong police force or a unified military.

It also comes as part of a backlash by Islamist factions after losing their power in parliament following June elections and in the face of a campaign by a renegade military general against extremist Islamic militias in Benghazi, Libya’s second-largest city.

But this has been the worst bout of violence in the battle over turf and influence since 2011. Mysterious airstrikes have struck the positions of Islamist militias, sparking accusations by the groups that Egypt and the United Arab Emirates, who oppose Islamists in the region, were behind it.

An Islamist group calling itself Dawn of Libya has declared that it is largely in control of Tripoli and the surrounding areas, making it the de facto governing authority in the area.

Coming on the heels of the rise of the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, it is easy to get the impression that Islamic fundamentalism is doing everything but retreating. From Kosovo to Saudi Arabia, local authorities are mopping up cells linked to the Islamic State. It is almost like the long march Islamic militant groups embarked on so long ago with the aim of creating a pan-Islamic caliphate is beginning to bear fruit.


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GarandFan on August 25, 2014 at 6:44 PM

Obama armed ISIS.

corkie on August 25, 2014 at 6:45 PM

The “religion of peace” always prevails with it’s wonderful peaceful ways.

It’s coming stateside sooner than most of us can ever imagine.

The second amendment will come in real handy in a way our founding fathers never imagined. Never could see how any “religion” could become this power or accepted.

Blowing up infidels for virgins, beheading journalists, beating raping and genital removal par for the course for women. burning cities and whole towns for alleged transgressions against allah. All funded by our own oil blood money while we are afloat in the stuff.

acyl72 on August 25, 2014 at 6:47 PM

Has Valerie read this to Barry yet?

Sven on August 25, 2014 at 6:48 PM

These celebrations were shown to be premature when a sophisticated terrorist attack against American diplomatic and CIA outposts in Benghazi resulted in the deaths of four Americans, including the U.S. ambassador to Libya.

Ok, stopped reading right there…It was a VIDEO…

Read a damn book or something haters….

BigWyo on August 25, 2014 at 6:48 PM

Obama: “Getting rid of Gaddafi wasn`t my idea. That was the Libyan people.”

Has he gone with that yet?

ThePrez on August 25, 2014 at 6:50 PM

Reset!!!

ladyingray on August 25, 2014 at 6:52 PM

Just plain scary.

djl130 on August 25, 2014 at 6:52 PM

The locusts ascending from the bottomless pit, covering the land and devouring everything in front of them. It won’t end until they are exterminated.

iceman1960 on August 25, 2014 at 6:54 PM

The “religion of peace” always prevails with it’s wonderful peaceful ways.

This isn’t about Islam…but of radical extremists spreading hate and violence in the name of “true Islam” as they see it. They would just as soon come for heads of Muslims who disagree with them as they would for your head or mine. It’s important we don’t lose sight of this.

JetBoy on August 25, 2014 at 6:55 PM

Has he gone with that yet?

ThePrez on August 25, 2014 at 6:50 PM

That speech is probably being fisked at this very point in time…

BigWyo on August 25, 2014 at 6:58 PM

FORE!

Pass the lobster bisque. It’s time to par—teee. Fist bumps with the bros. Michelle, “I’ve never been proud of my country”Mybelle looks marvelous in that godawful gown that looks like something from the Salvation Army thrift store that was once worn to a Halloween costume party. Libya. An Islamic caliphate? Oh, that was so long ago, dude. What difference does it make? A video caused the whole Mideast to fall. We got bigger fish to fry in Ferguson. Those white racist cops are more evil than ISIS. They beheaded an innocent young choir boy on his way to choir practice. You know he was soon to sing in the internationally famous Vienna Boys Choir. His cherubic voice silenced forever at the hands of a police butcher. Probably the same one that butchered that reporter that interrupted my golf game.

they lie on August 25, 2014 at 6:59 PM

The locusts ascending from the bottomless pit, covering the land and devouring everything in front of them. It won’t end until they are exterminated.

iceman1960 on August 25, 2014 at 6:54 PM

I hear there’s an Ebola epidemic in the making….

BigWyo on August 25, 2014 at 6:59 PM

Let this be a lesson to the people who said that we should have supported the “rebels” in Syria. We supported the militias in Libya to got rid of gadaffi and look where we are today. They have the whole country to themselves.

I am going to quote Picard here ” Data, the moral thing to do is not the same as the right thing to do.” America did the right thing by staying out of Syria. We listened to John McCain, Lindsay graham, Hilary and Qatar and we got a whole clusterf@ck in Libya.

A new rule should be NEVER listen to John McCain or Qatar. And definitely run like hell away from whatever john McCain AND Qatar agree on.

coolrepublica on August 25, 2014 at 7:00 PM

Arab Spring chicken comes home to roost.

IronDioPriest on August 25, 2014 at 7:02 PM

JetBoy on August 25, 2014 at 6:55 PM

That WOULD explain how ISIS got to be a varsity team so fast……

WryTrvllr on August 25, 2014 at 7:02 PM

It’s important we don’t lose sight of this.

JetBoy on August 25, 2014 at 6:55 PM

Been hearing that for awhile now….and I expect to keep on hearing it until their numbers grow in this country…not quite there yet..

See England….or much of Europe for that matter…

BigWyo on August 25, 2014 at 7:03 PM

Coming on the heels of the rise of the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, it is easy to get the impression that Islamic fundamentalism is doing everything but retreating. From Kosovo to Saudi Arabia, local authorities are mopping up cells linked to the Islamic State. It is almost like the long march Islamic militant groups embarked on so long ago with the aim of creating a pan-Islamic caliphate is beginning to bear fruit.

And Obama smiles.

Bitter Clinger on August 25, 2014 at 7:03 PM

How much do Tomahawk cruise missles cost and how many did we waste?

wolly4321 on August 25, 2014 at 7:04 PM

One wonders if we haven’t taken into custody a cell member or two here as well. If we had, I’d be surprised if that information would be made public so close to an election.

BKeyser on August 25, 2014 at 7:05 PM

Get ready for the suicide bombers and car bombs.Coming soon to an area near you.They now they can’t roll into our towns and cities.The nickle and dime stuff will get old fast.

docflash on August 25, 2014 at 7:06 PM

I am going to quote Picard here ” Data, the moral thing to do is not the same as the right thing to do.” America did the right thing by staying out of Syria. We listened to John McCain, Lindsay graham, Hilary and Qatar and we got a whole clusterf@ck in Libya.

A new rule should be NEVER listen to John McCain or Qatar. And definitely run like hell away from whatever john McCain AND Qatar agree on.

coolrepublica on August 25, 2014 at 7:00 PM

And yet we may be headed into Syria to deal with ISIS.

Btw, Obama made the mistake of listening to McCain, Hillary, and Susan Rice, so he doesn’t get a “get out of jail free” card on this.

Bitter Clinger on August 25, 2014 at 7:06 PM

“From Tripoli to Misurata to Benghazi — today, Libya is free,”

to become a terrorist haven. Dear Liar’s work is done there.

rbj on August 25, 2014 at 7:06 PM

coolrepublica on August 25, 2014 at 7:00 PM

You should go back to your “Palestine wants a 2 State solution” steaming pile of Dog$hit theory….

And maybe lay of the Ripple….

BigWyo on August 25, 2014 at 7:07 PM

Kaddafi’s end was a laudable triumph of EU conservatives (Cameron, Sarkozy, Berlusconi, Merkel) over his North African immigration jihad. Since Kaddafi’s overthrow, EU immigration has been from surrounding European states and increasingly Asia, replacing North African areas. Libya’s subsequent destabilization is the unholy child of Obama’s Benghazi blunder.

Recall, Libya’s Justice Minister confirmed that Kaddafi (personally) masterminded Lockerbie. There’s no statute of limitations on mass murder of innocent Americans. NATO had a duty to bring Kaddafi to justice; or justice to Kaddafi.

I don’t much care whether Kaddafi met a criminal court or Mussolini’s fate on a meat-hook. But Kaddafi (personally) answered for his atrocities and his immigration jihad. Anything short of a Kaddafi dirt-nap would have been a grave mistake.

Egypt appears to be intervening on behalf of Libyan secularists.

Terp Mole on August 25, 2014 at 7:07 PM

this be a lesson to the people who said that we should have supported the “rebels” in Syria. We supported the militias in Libya to got rid of gadaffi and look where we are today. They have the whole country to themselves. I am going to quote Picard here ” Data, the moral thing to do is not the same as the right thing to do.” America did the right thing by staying out of Syria. We listened to John McCain, Lindsay graham, Hilary and Qatar and we got a whole clusterf@ck in Libya. A new rule should be NEVER listen to John McCain or Qatar. And definitely run like hell away from whatever john McCain AND Qatar agree on. coolrepublica on August 25, 2014 at 7:00 PM

I agree with you.

WTF?

wolly4321 on August 25, 2014 at 7:08 PM

We listened to John McCain, Lindsay graham, Hilary and Qatar and we got a whole clusterf@ck in Libya.

coolrepublica on August 25, 2014 at 7:00 PM

So in your twisted world, Barack Obama has no responsibility at all for this? And what is this “we” stuff? Obama did the Libya thing all on his own; he got zero authorization from Congress.

TarheelBen on August 25, 2014 at 7:11 PM

Heckuva job Hillary.

forest on August 25, 2014 at 7:12 PM

NYTimes: Egypt launches counter-jihad in Libya;

Twice in the last seven days, Egypt and the United Arab Emirates have secretly launched airstrikes against Islamist-allied militias battling for control of Tripoli, Libya, four senior American officials said, in a major escalation of a regional power struggle set off by Arab Spring revolts.

The United States, the officials said, was caught by surprise: Egypt and the Emirates, both close allies and military partners, acted without informing Washington, leaving the Obama administration on the sidelines.

Muslim Brotherhood hardest hit.

Terp Mole on August 25, 2014 at 7:13 PM

Barry and Hillary’s Legacy: chaos, folly, and a strengthened Jihad.

Cheered on by the complicit, Islamophilic media who babbled about the glorious “Arab Spring” when anyone with a basic grasp of history realized that what we were witnessing was a resurgence of unleashed Islamic Terror… only kept in check by quasi-secular “Muslim” strongmen.

Knock out the brutal bulwarks and your release the flood of Mohammedan maniacs.

profitsbeard on August 25, 2014 at 7:15 PM

Stephen Decatur, where are you?

vnvet on August 25, 2014 at 7:16 PM

King Barry takes time to make thoughtful decisions. He is not going to send more Americans to die. He takes that responsibility seriously. And has made good decisions. And he does not get pressured into acting by any one. Take your time, Mr. President King Barry. Let these mad dogs keep barking. That is all they know.

rogerb on August 25, 2014 at 7:23 PM

Barack Hussein Obama. What could go wrong?

claudius on August 25, 2014 at 7:26 PM

As for all those that want to call them “radical extremist muslims”, I prefer to call them “Orthodox Muslims”. They are following the koran (book of evil) right to the letter.

retiredeagle on August 25, 2014 at 7:27 PM

I thought Obama would be a miserable failure when he was elected, but he has exceeded my expectations.

Remember the millions of dollars in campaign funds for which Obama’s team couldn’t provide donor information? Remember the rumor that they were from the Middle Eastern Muslim extremists because they thought Obama would be easier to deal with? Looks like it was a good investment if it was true.

talkingpoints on August 25, 2014 at 7:29 PM

“Libya will be one of Obama’s greatest achievements.”

Joe “Choo-Choo” Biden

jukin3 on August 25, 2014 at 7:32 PM

Remember Hillary’s Julius Caesar impersonation? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_x04Gn3-2g

Capp on August 25, 2014 at 7:32 PM

The “religion of peace” always prevails with it’s wonderful peaceful ways.

This isn’t about Islam…but of radical extremists spreading hate and violence in the name of “true Islam” as they see it. They would just as soon come for heads of Muslims who disagree with them as they would for your head or mine. It’s important we don’t lose sight of this.

JetBoy on August 25, 2014 at 6:55 PM

With every passing day, to me, this is a distinction without a difference.

I take no pleasure in it, and fought against it in myself for quite awhile now. I’m losing that fight.

The only thing I ever seem to hear from ‘Muslims who disagree with them’ is, well, largely exactly what you just said. Not denunciations of the ‘radicals’, but “hey, don’t lump me in there”.

Midas on August 25, 2014 at 7:36 PM

Obama raps his knuckles on the table and whispers to Valerie Jarrett, “Mission Accomplished”…

Valerie smiles back, “We still have two more years.”

albill on August 25, 2014 at 7:36 PM

Obama will be pissed when he reads this in the NYT.

claudius on August 25, 2014 at 7:39 PM

coolrepublica on August 25, 2014 at 7:00 PM

Maybe one of the smarter comments you’ve made, though still conspicuously absent from your list of f*ckwits is Obama. Nice try, but in that regard, a transparent fail.

Midas on August 25, 2014 at 7:42 PM

Assuming they had any idea whatsoever of what they were doing, this is what Obama, McCain and Rubio wanted.

VorDaj on August 25, 2014 at 7:46 PM

“Islamists” means Muslims who practice Islam.

VorDaj on August 25, 2014 at 7:48 PM

“Libya’s Islamist militias said Sunday they have consolidated their hold on Tripoli and its international airport, driving out rival militias to the outskirts of the capital following a weekslong battle for control of the strategic hub,” The Washington Post reported on Monday.

They do not call themselves “Islamist”. They call themselves Muslims and that is what they are, very good Muslims following the commands and examples of all Muslim’s “Perfect Man” Mohammad.

VorDaj on August 25, 2014 at 7:56 PM

With every passing day, to me, this is a distinction without a difference.

I take no pleasure in it, and fought against it in myself for quite awhile now. I’m losing that fight.

The only thing I ever seem to hear from ‘Muslims who disagree with them’ is, well, largely exactly what you just said. Not denunciations of the ‘radicals’, but “hey, don’t lump me in there”.

Midas on August 25, 2014 at 7:36 PM

Thousands of young British Muslim men have rallied against radical Islam amid concerns that British jihadists are fighting in Syria.

An estimated 5,000 Muslims gathered in Surrey today to pledge loyalty to Britain in light of concerns over the popularity of the extremist militant group Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (Isis), and the alleged involvement of Britons.

The three-day residential event, organised by the Ahmadiyya Muslim Youth Association (Amya), has brought together 5,000 young British Muslim men from England, Scotland and Wales, to foster bonds of brotherhood and affirm their pride in being British and Muslim. (Full article: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/uk/muslims-rally-against-radical-islam-30372912.html )

And here:

On Monday, March 5, Muslim activist M.Zuhdi Jasser will lead a coalition of American Muslims and their supporters at One Police Plaza in New York as they demonstrate their support of the NYPD against accusations by such organizations as CAIR, The New York Times, and radical Islamic groups that they are unjustly targeting the Muslim community. More importantly, the demonstration is a loud declaration of solidarity by American Muslims with those who are working to fight against the spread of radical Islam in the West and the threat it poses to Western democracy. (Full article: http://www.forbes.com/sites/abigailesman/2012/02/29/american-muslims-speak-out-against-radical-islam-support-nypd/ )

And just today:

Norway’s prime minister and other politicians have joined Muslim leaders and thousands of other people for a demonstration in Oslo against radical Islamists.

Monday’s rally was an initiative by young Norwegian Muslims who wanted to show a united front against Islamic State militants in Syria and Iraq and their sympathizers in Norway.

Mehtab Afshar, head of the Islamic Council in Norway, told the crowd: “They stand for terrorism, they stand for terror … and we condemn that in the strongest terms.” (Full article: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/08/25/norwegian-muslims-hold-demonstration-against-radical-islamic-militants/? )

There a lot more of these, from around the world, and through the years since various radical Islamic terror groups began their jihad. There really is a huge difference between Muslims and the radicals. It’s a shame that these kind of accounts that show this difference don’t get the attention they deserve.

After the 9/11 attacks, which near literally happened in my backyard, I was as anti-Islam as anyone could be. The only good Muslim was a dead one…something it took me quite awhile to truly reconsider.

JetBoy on August 25, 2014 at 7:56 PM

The only time Muslims are at peace is when they are outnumbered, ruled by dictators or regrouping and rearming. When are people ever going to learn? There is no such thing as moderate Islam.

iceman1960 on August 25, 2014 at 7:59 PM

This isn’t about Islam…but of radical extremists spreading hate and violence in the name of “true Islam” as they see it

Make sure you yell that very loudly as the sword swoops down on your neck so that no one will be confused about the religion of peace.

BobMbx on August 25, 2014 at 8:01 PM

There a lot more of these, from around the world, and through the years since various radical Islamic terror groups began their jihad. There really is a huge difference between Muslims and the radicals. It’s a shame that these kind of accounts that show this difference don’t get the attention they deserve.

After the 9/11 attacks, which near literally happened in my backyard, I was as anti-Islam as anyone could be. The only good Muslim was a dead one…something it took me quite awhile to truly reconsider.

JetBoy on August 25, 2014 at 7:56 PM

Thanks for those links/stories, seriously. I could counter with a number of stories that indicate how prevalent it is for us to be told one thing in public/english while quite another thing is being said privately, but I’m not much in the mood for it at the moment. It seems unfair to not do so, if only out of respect for the time you spent to find and provide those links (again, seriously, thank you), but I simply can’t at the moment.

Midas on August 25, 2014 at 8:04 PM

… and it’s really less about mood than about time (trying to stay focused on a project here after hours, hehe). Thanks again, JetBoy.

Midas on August 25, 2014 at 8:05 PM

Something to lament will be the lack of resolve and politcal acumen, forcefully requiring many large, glassy craters in many lands.

Something to rejoice is that at some point we will find the character and resources to do this.

Something to regret is that we allowed it to be forced on us.

Something we can hopefully and above all celebrate is an 11th hour resolve to fight evil.

Ask Winnie.

RL on August 25, 2014 at 8:05 PM

This isn’t about Islam…but of radical extremists spreading hate and violence in the name of “true Islam” as they see it

Make sure you yell that very loudly as the sword swoops down on maniac slowly saws your head off with a butcher knife slicing into your neck so that no one will be confused about the religion of peace.

BobMbx on August 25, 2014 at 8:01 PM

FFA.

(Fixed For Accuracy)

profitsbeard on August 25, 2014 at 8:08 PM

If Obama and his inner circle are not traitors they are the worst political strategists imaginable. I wonder if there is a plan to arrest Obama or have him declared incompetent. I don’t see how we can do 2 more years like this.

claudius on August 25, 2014 at 8:08 PM

The only time Mohammad and his followers were at peace was when he was exiled to Medina. Once his ranks swelled and he took Mecca it all changed. All the peaceful verses in the Qur’an came during his exile in Medina. The verses that were written afterword pertaining to jihad and conquest take precedence over those previous verses. It’s called abrogation. So when there is a conflict between the older teachings in the Qur’an the newer teachings are followed. There may be a moderate Muslim here or there but they are considered apostates by those that actually follow the teachings of the Qur’an and the Hadith.

iceman1960 on August 25, 2014 at 8:20 PM

I remember the good old days when Black Flag was a bug spray.

Not a recruiting tool for homicidal Islamic maniacs.

profitsbeard on August 25, 2014 at 8:20 PM

Well, look,

The LORD has made everything for its purpose,
even the wicked for the day of trouble. Prov. 16:4

If you want to keep looking at this stuff from strictly a political point of view, you’re gonna miss the big picture.

Cleombrotus on August 25, 2014 at 8:24 PM

This isn’t about Islam…but of radical extremists spreading hate and violence in the name of “true Islam” as they see it.

JetBoy on August 25, 2014 at 6:55 PM

No. It’s entirely about Islam.

Cleombrotus on August 25, 2014 at 8:28 PM

#smartpower

everdiso on August 21, 2014 at 3:13 PM

Hillary was a cow and the oxen in DC fell for the scumhags’ ideas. They own Libya too.

Schadenfreude on August 25, 2014 at 8:30 PM

No. It’s entirely about Islam.

Cleombrotus on August 25, 2014 at 8:28 PM

Exactly! Radical extremists are actually just Muslims following the teachings of the Qur’an and Hadith. They are violent, brutal animals that believe in world conquest and conversion by force as taught by their prophet Mohammad.

iceman1960 on August 25, 2014 at 8:32 PM

This is Barry’s and it will come back to bite him.

Personally.

formwiz on August 25, 2014 at 8:33 PM

coolrepublica on August 25, 2014 at 7:00 PM

dumbass.
WE didn’t support this, this administration inserted itself and sent troops w/o congressional approval because he knew he would not get it.
you lie!

dmacleo on August 25, 2014 at 8:33 PM

No. It’s entirely about Islam.

Cleombrotus on August 25, 2014 at 8:28 PM

Thanks for that erudite reply. No need to actually provide any further commentary or links. Very thought provoking stuff.

JetBoy on August 25, 2014 at 8:40 PM

iceman1960 on August 25, 2014 at 8:32 PM

It’s easy to forget that they interpret reality differently than we do. And we don’t take into consideration where they get that interpretation from. We think they’re just like us just with less education or something.

Cleombrotus on August 25, 2014 at 8:41 PM

Very thought provoking stuff.

JetBoy on August 25, 2014 at 8:40 PM

If world events since 9/11 don’t convince you, nothing my feeble brain can come up with will.

Cleombrotus on August 25, 2014 at 8:42 PM

The notion that we can rid these Islamic countries of the dictators and monarchies that oppress them and somehow turn them into democratic states is a fools dream. The only thing that has kept this Islamic beast in check is that it has been divided up into little kingdoms and tyrannical states. Islam is not compatible with the western concept of democracy.

iceman1960 on August 25, 2014 at 8:44 PM

Thanks for that erudite reply. No need to actually provide any further commentary or links. Very thought provoking stuff.

JetBoy on August 25, 2014 at 8:40 PM

Do you know what the significance of carrying out an attack against the west on September 11th was to Islamists?

iceman1960 on August 25, 2014 at 8:48 PM

JetBoy, Islam is on the rise and on the move. We have not seen anything yet. If you think you can peacefully co-exist with people who think that everything you do, whether it involves your religious beliefs or your secular beliefs, is an offense to them, you are going to have a rude awakening someday.

That is, if you haven’t converted yourself.

Cleombrotus on August 25, 2014 at 8:48 PM

Heckuva job, Obysmal (and Hillary and Susan Rice and Samantha Power). You’ve made the world a target for Islamists.

onlineanalyst on August 25, 2014 at 8:50 PM

The only thing that has kept this Islamic beast in check …
iceman1960 on August 25, 2014 at 8:44 PM

has been rejected by the West. Nature abhors a vacuum and the vacuum in the West provided by the rejection of a Biblical worldview allows these territorial spirits to move in and fill the void.

The secular West has no defense against this ideology. It’s a curiosity that those nation states, like France and the Scandinavians, who were in the forefront of rejecting Biblical moral standards, are the ones who are most at risk now.

Cleombrotus on August 25, 2014 at 8:54 PM

JetBoy, Islam is on the rise and on the move. We have not seen anything yet. If you think you can peacefully co-exist with people who think that everything you do, whether it involves your religious beliefs or your secular beliefs, is an offense to them, you are going to have a rude awakening someday.

That is, if you haven’t converted yourself.

Cleombrotus on August 25, 2014 at 8:48 PM

Oh, sure…I certainly wouldn’t know what that’s like.

JetBoy on August 25, 2014 at 9:00 PM

JetBoy on August 25, 2014 at 9:00 PM

There’s a difference between disagreeing with your choices and cutting your head off for them.

Cleombrotus on August 25, 2014 at 9:03 PM

JetBoy on August 25, 2014 at 9:00 PM

See, we can understand why you’ve made your choices even though we disagree with them. They cannot.

Cleombrotus on August 25, 2014 at 9:05 PM

coolrepublica on August 25, 2014 at 7:00 PM

dumbass.
WE didn’t support this, this administration inserted itself and sent troops w/o congressional approval because he knew he would not get it.
you lie!

dmacleo on August 25, 2014 at 8:33 PM

This. coolrepublica thinks “we” are the Obama administration. She blames us instead of blaming Obama for Libya? LOL!

corkie on August 25, 2014 at 9:07 PM

Oh, sure…I certainly wouldn’t know what that’s like.

JetBoy on August 25, 2014 at 9:00 PM

Please expand on that. Seriously not trying to pick a fight here. Just honestly trying to understand your point. Are you being persecuted because of your beliefs? That’s what I’m getting from the highlights in the quote you reposted.

iceman1960 on August 25, 2014 at 9:08 PM

She blames us instead of blaming Obama for Libya? LOL!

corkie on August 25, 2014 at 9:07 PM

I think Terp Mole was the only commenter on Hot Air supporting Obama about Libya. LOL that CR is condemning Hot Air for something Obama did.

corkie on August 25, 2014 at 9:08 PM

This isn’t about Islam…but of radical extremists spreading hate and violence in the name of “true Islam” as they see it.

JetBoy on August 25, 2014 at 6:55 PM

Far too many Muslims in those countries support them. If their beliefs were such a radical fringe, then they wouldn’t be capable of rising to power. Open your eyes, JB.

corkie on August 25, 2014 at 9:11 PM

Far too many Muslims in those countries every country support them. If their beliefs were such a radical fringe, then they wouldn’t be capable of rising to power. Open your eyes, JB.

corkie on August 25, 2014 at 9:11 PM

I whole heartedly agree with you corkie but thought it could use a little fixin’ up.

iceman1960 on August 25, 2014 at 9:17 PM

Please expand on that. Seriously not trying to pick a fight here. Just honestly trying to understand your point. Are you being persecuted because of your beliefs? That’s what I’m getting from the highlights in the quote you reposted.

iceman1960 on August 25, 2014 at 9:08 PM

Making a long story short here…I wouldn’t use the term “persecuted”, and instead say “targeted” I suppose, for lack of a better word. And it’s not from Muslims, but from Evangelical/Fundamentalist Christians for the most part. I’m gay, so I get a lot of shiz for it from certain commenters here, who love to selectively quote scripture passages at me. I’m also Roman Catholic, and have my faith impugned regularly from some of those commenters as well.

It makes no difference that I’m 99% conservative on social and fiscal matters, vote GOP every election, and publicly call out the militant Leftist gays. So all that taken into account, I can honestly say I know what it’s like to:

…co-exist with people who think that everything you do, whether it involves your religious beliefs or your secular beliefs, is an offense to them

As Cleombrotus stated. Hopefully that clears things up.

JetBoy on August 25, 2014 at 9:20 PM

For Jetboy

nobar on August 25, 2014 at 9:22 PM

Maybe we should think twice before casually supporting the overthrow of another secular strongman in the Middle East. There’s one or two left, you know.

hamiltmc on August 25, 2014 at 9:22 PM

let’s see:

10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1-0

No not a missile countdown but the number of allies we have in the Middle East thanks to Obama’s “Arab Spring”. Thanks Barack. You too Hillary and Dracula.

MaiDee on August 25, 2014 at 9:48 PM

For Jetboy

nobar on August 25, 2014 at 9:22 PM

I know the site…and I used to frequent it often. Forgot all about it until you linked it. (Much like last night I somehow got to LGF for the first time in years, I got banned for sticking up for HotAir, and CJ and his minions didn’t seem to like it)

That being said, the site you linked to isn’t exactly “reputable” or “non-biased”…again, just for lack of something better to call it. Going back a few years, when MM still owned HotAir, Robert Spencer posted his weekly series called “Blogging the Qur’an”, and although he had a generally negative view of the book and the faith, I learned a heck of a lot by following it.

Dismissing the entire Muslim adherents as terrorists, terror-supporters, etc is simply wrong. You may has well say Westboro Baptist represents Christianity, or the Naturei Karta represents Judaism. It’s an irresponsible thing to do…with a total disregard of fact. Like I said, after 9/11 I was vehemently anti-Islam…and it took a lot for me to understand how I was wrong.

JetBoy on August 25, 2014 at 9:49 PM

I get a lot of shiz for it from certain commenters here, who love to selectively quote scripture passages at me.

JetBoy on August 25, 2014 at 9:20 PM

If someone on here states that 2+2=5, then they’re gonna get shiz for it. You give people shiz when you disagree with what they write, why can’t others do the same to you?

corkie on August 25, 2014 at 9:49 PM

…co-exist with people who think that everything you do, whether it involves your religious beliefs or your secular beliefs, is an offense to them

As Cleombrotus stated. Hopefully that clears things up.

JetBoy on August 25, 2014 at 9:20 PM

No, Jetboy. For some of us it’s not that it’s an offense to us. It’s that we recognize that it’s HARMFUL to you and you should alter your behavior.

There’s a big difference between the two.

Cleombrotus on August 25, 2014 at 9:50 PM

As Cleombrotus stated. Hopefully that clears things up.

JetBoy on August 25, 2014 at 9:20 PM

So these Christians… are they asking you to convert, quit being gay or die? I seriously doubt they’ll execute you. Now go over to Saudi Arabia or any other given Islamic country and announce that you’re gay. See what kind of reception you get.

iceman1960 on August 25, 2014 at 9:51 PM

Dismissing the entire Muslim adherents as terrorists, terror-supporters, etc is simply wrong.

JetBoy on August 25, 2014 at 9:49 PM

Nobody’s doing that, JB. They’re saying that too few adherents are willing to oppose/fight terrorism. Why can’t you understand that obvious point?

corkie on August 25, 2014 at 9:52 PM

Nobody’s doing that, JB. They’re saying that too few adherents are willing to oppose/fight terrorism. Why can’t you understand that obvious point?

corkie on August 25, 2014 at 9:52 PM

That’s exactly what some are saying…that there is no difference between Islam and Islamic terrorists. But maybe I missed where someone I replied to in this matter made the “too few adherents are willing to oppose terrorism”.

And you must have missed my earlier comment pointing out just one small handful of examples showing that distinction.

JetBoy on August 25, 2014 at 10:00 PM

So these Christians… are they asking you to convert, quit being gay or die? I seriously doubt they’ll execute you. Now go over to Saudi Arabia or any other given Islamic country and announce that you’re gay. See what kind of reception you get.

iceman1960 on August 25, 2014 at 9:51 PM

You asked, I answered. Now you’re off in other directions.

JetBoy on August 25, 2014 at 10:02 PM

JetBoy on August 25, 2014 at 10:00 PM

You’re being disingenuous. You’ve made a moral equivalency between Islamic hatred of the West and our values and Christianity’s opposition to immorality.

Cleombrotus on August 25, 2014 at 10:10 PM

You asked, I answered. Now you’re off in other directions.

JetBoy on August 25, 2014 at 10:02

PM

No. I think I’m quite on point.

iceman1960 on August 25, 2014 at 10:15 PM

So we can now add Libya to the list of failed Islamic democracy experiments…

Iran (way back in 1979), Algeria, Palestine, Afghanistan, Iraq, Tunisia, Egypt, Turkey (becoming more Islamic everyday)…

Nothing like democracy to make a Islamic country more Islamic. But some are still convinced we can arm groups like FSA, and they will then defeat ISIS and Assad (defeating both…man…quite a feat) and establish democracy and the majority of the Muslims there (who happen to be Sunni Arabs) will vote for a secular government…like they did…in….in the land where unicorns dwell.

The best you are going to get in Libya is a secular government run by the military.

William Eaton on August 25, 2014 at 10:18 PM

Same goes with Syria: Secular government run by the military. If you want to overthrow Assad (because he is such a meanie) then find some Alawite general who wants to be the big fish and put him in charge.

I hear Assad may not be so beloved by the Alawites right now considering he just lost that airbase. Alawites might make a deal to save their neck, and in return for a safe Alawite state, we can save the Christians by getting them their own state. But nope…America demands a “inclusive” government that involves the precious Sunni Arabs.

Barf…let the Saudis take care of them, I hear they have lots of money.

William Eaton on August 25, 2014 at 10:26 PM

Jet Boy there is no moral equivalency between the teachings of Jesus and the teachings of Mohammad. Jesus said “Let you that are without sin cast the first stone.” Mohammad would have cast that stone. Their doctrines are polar opposites. It would do you good to study a little bit about the history and actual doctrine of Islam. Every religion at one time or another has been hijacked to serve a purpose other than what the original doctrine teaches but that is not true of Islam. The original doctrine of Islam is conquest and conversion by force.

iceman1960 on August 25, 2014 at 10:30 PM

I am going to quote Picard here ” Data, the moral thing to do is not the same as the right thing to do.” America did the right thing by staying out of Syria. We listened to John McCain, Lindsay graham, Hilary and Qatar and we got a whole clusterf@ck in Libya.

A new rule should be NEVER listen to John McCain or Qatar. And definitely run like hell away from whatever john McCain AND Qatar agree on.

coolrepublica on August 25, 2014 at 7:00 PM

Wait, you’re actually claiming that PRESIDENT OBAMA based his foreign policy on Republicans? BWAHAHAHAHA!!!! Sorry ColdFool, but this is on OBAMA’S watch… after all… HE WON!

dominigan on August 25, 2014 at 10:32 PM

This isn’t about Islam…but of radical extremists spreading hate and violence in the name of “true Islam” as they see it the Qur’an states it.

JetBoy on August 25, 2014 at 6:55 PM

FIFY. You might want to try understanding the Qur’an before you go misrepresenting it. Islam is NOT Christianity. Any reading of current events should make that clear.

dominigan on August 25, 2014 at 10:41 PM

JetBoy on August 25, 2014 at 10:00 PM

You claimed that this isn’t about Islam, and others disagreed with you because they say that Islam has a problem because too few adherents refuse to oppose/fight the radical elements. That’s a valid argument. Why are you putting your fingers in your ears and yelling LALALALALALALA?

corkie on August 25, 2014 at 10:50 PM

You’re being disingenuous. You’ve made a moral equivalency between Islamic hatred of the West and our values and Christianity’s opposition to immorality.

Cleombrotus on August 25, 2014 at 10:10 PM

Where did I do that?

JetBoy on August 25, 2014 at 11:01 PM

You claimed that this isn’t about Islam, and others disagreed with you because they say that Islam has a problem because too few adherents refuse to oppose/fight the radical elements. That’s a valid argument. Why are you putting your fingers in your ears and yelling LALALALALALALA?

corkie on August 25, 2014 at 10:50 PM

I only claimed that there is a big difference between being Islam, and radical Islamist. And please, an example of anyone in this thread that said anything close to this claim:

Islam has a problem because too few adherents refuse to oppose/fight the radical elements.

JetBoy on August 25, 2014 at 11:05 PM

I only claimed that there is a big difference between being Islam, and radical Islamist.

JetBoy on August 25, 2014 at 11:05 PM

And people are trying to tell you that the difference isn’t as big and absolute as you’re claiming for the reasons that I’m trying to explain. Far too many that practice Islam refuse oppose/fight radical Islamists. If this wasn’t the case, then radical Islamists wouldn’t be as powerful as they are today.

corkie on August 26, 2014 at 12:47 AM

This is one of the crowning achievements of the spread democracy to idiots movement started in 2003.

cimbri on August 26, 2014 at 4:12 AM

And people are trying to tell you that the difference isn’t as big and absolute as you’re claiming for the reasons that I’m trying to explain. Far too many that practice Islam refuse oppose/fight radical Islamists. If this wasn’t the case, then radical Islamists wouldn’t be as powerful as they are today.

corkie on August 26, 2014 at 12:47 AM

I agree completely. The Islamist Caliphate could take over, and the mainstream Muslims would be celebrating in the street.; horns blowing, fireworks, lambs slaughtered, the whole deal.

cimbri on August 26, 2014 at 4:14 AM

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