Karl Rove: I think Holder did “something of a good job” in going to Ferguson

posted at 1:21 pm on August 25, 2014 by Allahpundit

In which one of conservatives’ least favorite Republicans praises one of their least favorite Democrats. The praise is mild, confined to Holder’s visit to the city and paired with criticism of him for seemingly rushing to judgment about Darren Wilson’s guilt, but can you really divorce those two things? Christopher Caldwell argues that the visit wasn’t some goodwill tour aimed at showing Fergusonians that the feds care about racial bias, it was a signal that locals can and should expect federal action against Wilson whether or not the evidence suggests probable cause to believe he violated Michael Brown’s civil rights:

It was in this context that Holder made his bizarre visit to St. Louis. Bizarre in the sense that he intervened, in the name of the federal Justice Department, in a case already before a grand jury, without making even a feint at blind justice. The Los Angeles Times reported that Justice Department officials attributed Holder’s concern to “the continuing violence and apparent mishandling of the case by local officials.” Without making any judgment about whether the local officials mishandled the case, it is worth noting that the federal intervention has taken the side of those committing the continuing violence…

Although there have been protests, riots, demonstrations, and uprisings throughout the half-century since Civil Rights legislation was passed, there has been one constant. The government has always been at the side of those seeking to restore public order. Now Obama and Holder have placed the government on the side of the uprising—or, to put it more neutrally, on the side of those who would restore order on the terms demanded by the uprising…

The administration is pursuing a reckless strategy, hoping that it can present the barn-burning Holder as its face to the black community and the conciliatory Obama as its face to the white community, exploiting the very divisions it promises to heal.

It seems unimaginable given the politics of the case and the fact that, as Caldwell notes, Democrats badly need high black turnout to have a fighting chance in the midterms that Wilson won’t be charged at some level. If the state passes on some sort of homicide charge, the feds will try him for something. That was the point of Holder’s visit, I thought: By showing up, he’s all but personally guaranteeing them “justice.” The White House itself has been even more overt about that, telling black leaders and civil rights groups on conference calls that, in WaPo’s words, they’re “determined to see justice achieved” here. What evidence federal justice would be based on is unclear, though. There’s nothing out there right now to suggest that Wilson shot Michael Brown because of his race, which means, says former federal prosecutor Andy McCarthy, that Holder’s interest in civil rights charges against Wilson is actually a case of racial profiling:

To constitute a civil-rights crime, it is not nearly enough for a violent act to have the “racial overtones” assorted agitators and commentators choosing to frame the case in racial terms contend it does. To justify a federal investigation, the Justice Department must have a rational basis to believe it could prove these invidious and evil purposes beyond a reasonable doubt. That requires compelling evidence, not a farfetched social-justice narrative…

It is a violation of federal law to subject a person to criminal investigation solely on the basis of his race. To prevent such government abuse, to root out institutional racism, is the objective of the civil-rights laws, which hold that a person may not be deprived of his rights and privileges — including due process and equal protection under the law — based on his race…

It is ironic at first blush. Holder, after all, is the self-proclaimed scourge of racial profiling.

It’s a no-lose situation for the White House. If Missouri charges Wilson and gets a conviction, great. Then the DOJ can stand down. If Missouri doesn’t get a conviction, then the feds can charge him. If they somehow get a conviction of Wilson, great. Black voters will be pleased that Obama and Holder delivered justice where the state couldn’t. If they don’t get a conviction, that’s too bad but people can blame the jury for that. Obama and Holder did their part.


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I was hopeful that Holder’s presence would mean the locals would have faith in the outcome of the local investigation. With him undermining it and showing bias, it appears I was wrong.

Donald Draper on August 25, 2014 at 1:25 PM

I think Admiral Donitz did a good job, too.

BobMbx on August 25, 2014 at 1:27 PM

#Loot4Justice

#Steal4MikeBrownJustice

What about the justice for the victims of the looting and destruction?

portlandon on August 25, 2014 at 1:27 PM

It seems unimaginable given the politics of the case and the fact that, as Caldwell notes, Democrats badly need high black turnout to have a fighting chance in the midterms that Wilson won’t be charged at some level.

So that’s their GOTV strategery for November? Gin up anger in the black community while somehow not alienating every other demographic in the country?

Doughboy on August 25, 2014 at 1:28 PM

Why is that funeral on TV?

How about all the other dead, morons?

Schadenfreude on August 25, 2014 at 1:28 PM

Karl stepped in it, again.

Schadenfreude on August 25, 2014 at 1:28 PM

Rove, you magnificent bastard! did you fall and hit your head?

Ward Cleaver on August 25, 2014 at 1:30 PM

This is your Republican Party. Further proof that they don’t represent us, and how futile it is to count on them to stand up to Obama, and how tone deaf they are

Brock Robamney on August 25, 2014 at 1:31 PM

Who paid for Brown’s arrangements? Us?

Ward Cleaver on August 25, 2014 at 1:31 PM

If Missouri doesn’t get a conviction, then the feds can charge him. If they somehow get a conviction of Wilson, great. Black voters will be pleased that Obama and Holder delivered justice where the state couldn’t.

The word “justice” is just a wee bit misused here.

Zetterson on August 25, 2014 at 1:31 PM

Obama/Holder continue the “get even” agenda.

Rove: “Good job out of you, Holder.”

Bitter Clinger on August 25, 2014 at 1:31 PM

H/t katy the mean old lady

Schadenfreude on August 25, 2014 at 1:32 PM

3 morons from this childish admin. are at the circus today.

Schadenfreude on August 25, 2014 at 1:32 PM

The word “justice” is just a wee bit misused here.

Zetterson on August 25, 2014 at 1:31 PM

Just like “normal” has been redefined to the New Normal, “justice” has been redefined to the Social Justice.

Bitter Clinger on August 25, 2014 at 1:33 PM

Rove is an idiot.

Maj. Gen. Greene and Lady Margaret Thatcher send their regrets.

kingsjester on August 25, 2014 at 1:33 PM

Mississippi man beaten after he’s warned restaurant wasn’t safe for whites, witness says

Schadenfreude on August 25, 2014 at 1:34 PM

“He deserves to be innocent until proven guilty.”

If not, move to Zimbabwe, all you fools.

Schadenfreude on August 25, 2014 at 1:34 PM

Even kangaroos are embarrassed by the prospect of a federal civil rights prosecution of Wilson.

Cicero43 on August 25, 2014 at 1:36 PM

Reality check and perspective

ISIS doesn’t give a damn about small Ferguson. It has its own reality. obama/Holder thought that Ferguson would save their azzes in Nov.

The Foley killer is the son of the militant who bombed the two embassies under Clinton, in ’98, and is on trial now in the USA…why Hillary has not peeped on Foley’s beheading.

Schadenfreude on August 25, 2014 at 1:36 PM

Every time Rove speaks my interest in the Republican Party wanes a little more.

echosyst on August 25, 2014 at 1:36 PM

The question is, does the grand jury cave and give the mob a white scalp or do they deliberate based on the facts?

It may be a no-lose situation for the filthy rat-eared coward but for the locals it is a no-win situation. No matter what the facts lay out, Ferguson is going to be the center of outrage.

Happy Nomad on August 25, 2014 at 1:37 PM

Given enough time in the spotlight, people will reveal their true nature.
Karl does this over and over and over.

vityas on August 25, 2014 at 1:37 PM

Did Karl Rove, a democrat lite, attend Brown’s funeral as Holder’s representative. Karl Rove sucks and is an enemy of conservatives. Suck a fork in his sorry azz a long time ago.

they lie on August 25, 2014 at 1:38 PM

I don’t think Rove understands politics as well as he thinks he does. This is a deeply weird statement, oddly timed.

MTF on August 25, 2014 at 1:38 PM

Mississippi man beaten after he’s warned restaurant wasn’t safe for whites, witness says

Schadenfreude on August 25, 2014 at 1:34 PM

From that article:

Police Chief Tim Brinkley did not immediately return a call Sunday from The AP.

“This does not appear to be a hate crime,” he said in the press release. “We are investigating this as an aggravated assault. It’s very early in this investigation but thus far the evidence and statements suggest that a verbal altercation turned physical and somebody got hurt.”

So apparently a white man is assaulted and beaten to a pulp after being told that the place he was about to enter wasn’t safe for whites and racial epithets were hurled at him while he was being attacked….but it’s not a hate crime. Uh huh. BTW, the police chief in question who refused to label it a hate crime is black. So take that for what it’s worth.

Doughboy on August 25, 2014 at 1:38 PM

How many admin. reps were sent to Foley’s commemoration yesterday?

Schadenfreude on August 25, 2014 at 1:39 PM

Lest we forget, this is the man who was given hundreds of millions of dollars and produced no good results for our side in 2012. Have a nice day!

Xanatos90 on August 25, 2014 at 1:41 PM

“He deserves to be innocent until proven guilty.”

If not, move to Zimbabwe, all you fools.

Schadenfreude on August 25, 2014 at 1:34 PM

No, he doesn’t deserve it. He is innocent until proven guilty.

BobMbx on August 25, 2014 at 1:45 PM

The fact that Holder made a B-line to Brown’s family, but never met with Smith (who is his employee) makes Holder every bit the racist as Obozo is.

As long as today is apparently a national day of mourning for Brown with his funeral being televised, they should be showing a split screen with the robbery video so we can see why he’s being honored…

stacman on August 25, 2014 at 1:46 PM

Black Americans won’t truly know safety until all the police and all the whites are voluntarily or forcibly removed from Ferguson and other black communities.

One day black children in America may finally be able to walk down the street without the constant fear of white police officers randomly shooting at them.

Frank Lib on August 25, 2014 at 1:47 PM

BTW- the fact that Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Spike Lee, Trayvon Martin’s father, and other “victims” of police abuse were at the memorial service for the latest street thug turned martyr. The attendance list alone shows just how impossible it is for Wilson to get a fair hearing. Even the governor is willing to join the lynch mob.

Were I Wilson’s lawyers, I would argue that it is impossible to have a fair trial anywhere within the state of MO.

Happy Nomad on August 25, 2014 at 1:48 PM

No, he doesn’t deserve it. He is innocent until proven guilty.

BobMbx on August 25, 2014 at 1:45 PM

I see this everywhere…I thought the accused is PRESUMED innocent. It’s a big difference from being innocent until proven guilty. It’s not like you’re innocent one minute and guilty the next.

freedomfirst on August 25, 2014 at 1:48 PM

It’s a no-lose situation for the White House. If Missouri charges Wilson and gets a conviction, great. Then the DOJ can stand down. If Missouri doesn’t get a conviction, then the feds can charge him. If they somehow get a conviction of Wilson, great. Black voters will be pleased that Obama and Holder delivered justice where the state couldn’t. If they don’t get a conviction, that’s too bad but people can blame the jury for that. Obama and Holder did their part.


There is an easy play for the Obama/Holder that doesn’t have to wait for the grand jury considering charges against Wilson.

Prediction: A Federal grand jury returns violation of civil rights indictments against the Ferguson Police Department including but not limited to officers pointing M4′s and shotguns at peaceful protesters. It is a felony to point a gun at someone without sufficient cause – and just because your commanding officer told you to do it is NOT sufficient justification. Plis they can indict the “I going to F******* kill you!” idiot and others.

On those broad of grounds, they will get convictions and the Feds will take control of the Ferguson PD for the next 10 years.

PolAgnostic on August 25, 2014 at 1:51 PM

Rove is a self serving lose cannon.

rplat on August 25, 2014 at 1:52 PM

It’s a no-lose situation for the White House. If Missouri charges Wilson and gets a conviction, great. Then the DOJ can stand down. If Missouri doesn’t get a conviction, then the feds can charge him. If they somehow get a conviction of Wilson, great. Black voters will be pleased that Obama and Holder delivered justice where the state couldn’t. If they don’t get a conviction, that’s too bad but people can blame the jury for that. Obama and Holder did their part.

Justice be damned.

Welcome to the US of Zimbabe!

Schadenfreude on August 25, 2014 at 1:55 PM

says former federal prosecutor Andy McCarthy, that Holder’s interest in civil rights charges against Wilson is actually a case of racial profiling:

Well, there’s still some sanity out there, I see.

Oh, wait. He’s a FORMER federal prosecutor. My bad.

Cleombrotus on August 25, 2014 at 1:56 PM

He is innocent until proven guilty.

BobMbx on August 25, 2014 at 1:45 PM

Yes, I know.

Politics

It’s a no-lose situation for the White House. If Missouri charges Wilson and gets a conviction, great. Then the DOJ can stand down. If Missouri doesn’t get a conviction, then the feds can charge him. If they somehow get a conviction of Wilson, great. Black voters will be pleased that Obama and Holder delivered justice where the state couldn’t. If they don’t get a conviction, that’s too bad but people can blame the jury for that. Obama and Holder did their part.

But, PC will kill all.

Schadenfreude on August 25, 2014 at 1:57 PM

Mississippi man beaten after he’s warned restaurant wasn’t safe for whites, witness says
Schadenfreude on August 25, 2014 at 1:34 PM

Yep, no reason to think this race was involved in this crime at all.

****

I note the bar for being a “good boy” in the black community has now been lowered to “not in prison at this present time”.

Shame on all of you- you rip the future right out of your children’s hands and you deliver your daughters to the barbarians.

Dolce Far Niente on August 25, 2014 at 2:00 PM

I saw Juan McCain on FOX first thing and didn’t stick around for any more of the shows yesterday.

DanMan on August 25, 2014 at 2:01 PM

Well, first of all Rove is about the last person on Earth I’d look to for something to praise. He’s a has-been doofus that needs to retire away from the public eye.

Holder going to Ferguson is….whatever. He went there looking for an opportunity to race bait and stir the pot. He discovered he couldn’t do that because the facts they haven’t released yet show the idiot that got shot was pure evil scum on the cusp of starting his officially adult career as a murderer and thief.

So according to Rove, the fact that Holder didn’t stir the pot much, didn’t race bait endlessly means he did a good job.

Idiocy.

Hey, obama did a good job this week too, he golfed instead of nuking Great Britain!

Diluculo on August 25, 2014 at 2:01 PM

Social Justice is closely related to Kangaroo Courts

Buck Farky on August 25, 2014 at 2:01 PM

Rove is a lose cannon.

rplat on August 25, 2014 at 1:52 PM

Heh. I see what you did there. Ready…aim…fail.

Dolce Far Niente on August 25, 2014 at 2:01 PM

It was clear that this was a quote (from the HA headlines), but here we go, again.

He deserves to be innocent until proven guilty.”

Schadenfreude on August 25, 2014 at 2:02 PM

obama/Holder/Nixon and the other fools are all racist goons.

Schadenfreude on August 25, 2014 at 2:03 PM

Rove me no Roves!!

Sherman1864 on August 25, 2014 at 2:09 PM

It’s a no-lose situation for the White House. If Missouri charges Wilson and gets a conviction, great. Then the DOJ can stand down. If Missouri doesn’t get a conviction, then the feds can charge him. If they somehow get a conviction of Wilson, great. Black voters will be pleased that Obama and Holder delivered justice where the state couldn’t. If they don’t get a conviction, that’s too bad but people can blame the jury for that. Obama and Holder did their part.

Justice be damned.

Welcome to the US of Zimbabe!

Schadenfreude on August 25, 2014 at 1:55 PM

Not only that, what if the officer shouldn’t be charged at all? What of the stress and strain this puts on him and his family, no to the mention the enormous financial burden, and the entire community if it’s only so Obama and Holder and those others more interested in race that justice will feel their derrieres are covered?

Federal involvement in this case was never justified and it only happened because both Holder and Obama are black and Democrats and felt they needed to show ‘solidarity’ with the black community in Ferguson. No state lines were crossed and there was never any justification to call in the FBI or the DoJ. This was a local issue and should have been handled by the local authorities, DA’s office, and the state.

thatsafactjack on August 25, 2014 at 2:13 PM

I always thought Rove was turning into an a-hole. This confi5rms it.

MaiDee on August 25, 2014 at 2:14 PM

Allah, if the state fails to get a conviction then how is the feds charging Wilson for the same crime subsequent to that ruling not double jeopardy?

I know you’re not a lawyer, and I know the Obama admin wants, needs a scalp to gin turnout in November and the law is transient compared to their interests. It just seems like that shouldn’t even be actionable at all in that scenario, unless the feds bring up charges immediately for a dual-track case.

BKennedy on August 25, 2014 at 2:31 PM

How’s that federal investigation of George Zimmerman coming along?

For the president and his team of thugs to try and exploit this situation for political gain is despicable.

Throat Wobbler Mangrove on August 25, 2014 at 2:42 PM

Allah, if the state fails to get a conviction then how is the feds charging Wilson for the same crime subsequent to that ruling not double jeopardy?

I know you’re not a lawyer, and I know the Obama admin wants, needs a scalp to gin turnout in November and the law is transient compared to their interests. It just seems like that shouldn’t even be actionable at all in that scenario, unless the feds bring up charges immediately for a dual-track case.

BKennedy on August 25, 2014 at 2:31 PM

Double jeopardy doesn’t apply when there are two sovereigns. The feds can proceed even if there is an acquittal in state court.

Throat Wobbler Mangrove on August 25, 2014 at 2:43 PM

One day black children in America may finally be able to walk down the street without the constant fear of white police officers randomly shooting at them.

Frank Lib on August 25, 2014 at 1:47 PM

‘There is nothing more painful to me at this stage of my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery, then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved.”

— Jesse Jackson, quoted by Bob Herbert, NYT 12/12/93

de rigueur on August 25, 2014 at 2:44 PM

Throat Warbler it’s that the Fed’s charge you with a different CRIME… it would be “Violating Brown’s Civil Rights”… it’s what snared the Rodney King posse, BUT ALSO got KKK members in the 1960′s….so it has had some decent uses.

JFKY on August 25, 2014 at 2:46 PM

If the state or DOJ go after him I see a National Blue Flu epidemic coming up.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/blue+flu

warren on August 25, 2014 at 2:51 PM

Black Americans won’t truly know safety until all the police and all the whites are voluntarily or forcibly removed from Ferguson and other black communities.

One day black children in America may finally be able to walk down the street without the constant fear of white police officers randomly shooting at them.

Frank Lib on August 25, 2014 at 1:47 PM

What the hell are you going on about???

Stray Cat on August 25, 2014 at 2:52 PM

Throat Warbler it’s that the Fed’s charge you with a different CRIME… it would be “Violating Brown’s Civil Rights”… it’s what snared the Rodney King posse, BUT ALSO got KKK members in the 1960′s….so it has had some decent uses.

JFKY on August 25, 2014 at 2:46 PM

That’s a fair clarification. The feds could try the same individual for a federal crime that is tied to the same acts.

Throat Wobbler Mangrove on August 25, 2014 at 2:54 PM

Charging someone with a crime absent evidence because of their skin color in order to appease an angry mob is justice?

Wendya on August 25, 2014 at 3:03 PM

Karl Rove: I think Holder did “something of a good job” in going to Ferguson

DUMB and DUMBER!!!

(I’ll let Holder and Rove fight it out to see which is which)

landlines on August 25, 2014 at 3:14 PM

I’d like slap Rove upside his sorry head! Lying republican!

woodhull on August 25, 2014 at 3:29 PM

Bush (aka Rove) Republicanism is not my cup of tea…

William Eaton on August 25, 2014 at 3:32 PM

Karl Rove: I think Holder did “something of a good job” in going to Ferguson

Idiot.

Dr. ZhivBlago on August 25, 2014 at 3:32 PM

How about all the other dead, morons?

Schadenfreude on August 25, 2014 at 1:28 PM

Why the comma?

Mimzey on August 25, 2014 at 4:10 PM

Rove, the erstwhile magnificent bastard, is no longer magnificent.

And no-lose?

The white vote is nothing?

formwiz on August 25, 2014 at 4:13 PM

Rove says or does nothing political like this, without the full approval or orders of the elitist GOP.
How much more of these co-rulers will the conservative base take before they say good bye to these betrayers.

Don L on August 25, 2014 at 4:31 PM

obama and holder are both cowardly bastards. When it suits their needs both invoke race. Can you imagine going to a combat company and telling the blacks there that because you are black you understand their feelings? What in the hell are the other races supposed to think? That is essentially what obama and holder do every time there is an issue that can be construed to be racial. Race relations are so bad now, not because there has been any actual change but because blacks now think that they are something special and no longer have to show any respect or courtesy towards the other members of society. Sort of like the obamaphone woman displayed just before the election and the “He’ll pay my mortgage and gas bill for me” woman about the same time.
BTW,. I no longer capitalize obama or holder or any other dirtbags in the Demorat party. I also leave the “C” out of Democrat to make my point.

inspectorudy on August 25, 2014 at 4:31 PM

How long before Obama says: If I had a son, he’d look like Karl Rove?

Don L on August 25, 2014 at 4:39 PM

Frank Lib on August 25, 2014 at 1:47 PM

You mean like in the black sections of Chicago?

dpduq on August 25, 2014 at 5:00 PM