Elite northeastern college town very worried about becoming Ferguson

posted at 8:31 am on August 23, 2014 by Jazz Shaw

The situation in Ferguson has spurred a great deal of concern all over the country about the “militarization” of police, along with racial unrest and crime. Clearly, the story has people thinking about their own communities and whether or not a similar situation might break out there at any moment. Such was the case in Ithaca, New York this week, where a group of (mostly) students suddenly realized that the city was in line to receive a grant from the U.S department of Homeland Security for their SWAT team and rushed out to make sure everyone knew they wanted nothing to do with it.

In the wake of the unrest in Ferguson, Mo., where law enforcement have been criticized for their use of force with military tactics and equipment, residents in Ithaca stood together Wednesday against the same capability in their city.

The city has been issued a $100,000 grant from the U.S department of Homeland Security to be used for the city’s SWAT team. The city’s common council is expected to approve the grant on Sept. 3.

So are the police about to get an MRAP or a tank or a truckload of discount teargas? Nope.

As of now the grant will be used to fund SWAT training and to buy a robot that could be used in different ways.

In order to appreciate the irony of this protest, you need to understand a little more about Ithaca. It’s an upstate New York college town. (That sentence probably looked like it needed something else, but if you live around here it tells you a lot.) It’s basically like a slice of San Francisco was snipped out and dropped into the northeast. Having done a few political campaigns around here, I can tell you that Ithaca is one of those places that you take a Republican candidate to once just to say you went, and you don’t bother going back. And you really don’t need to, because you already know all 8 registered Republicans in town and you can meet them all at one stop for coffee.

The city – to put it kindly – does have a couple of things in common with Ferguson. Ithaca has roughly 29,000 residents, while Ferguson has 21K, so they are in the same ballpark for size. They are also both in America. Beyond that… well, let’s look at some of the differences.

Ithaca: The racial makeup of the city was 73.97% White, 13.65% Asian, 6.71% Black or African American, 0.39% Native American, 0.05% Pacific Islander, 1.86% from other races, and 3.36% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 5.31% of the population.

Ferguson: The racial makeup of the city was 29.3% White, 67.4% African American, 0.4% Native American, 0.5% Asian, 0.4% from other races, and 2.0% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 1.2% of the population.

One of these towns doesn’t exactly sound like a hotbed of racial unrest. Honestly, I was shocked that Ithaca managed to rack up 6.7% for black residents. But there’s more to community identity than race, right? Let’s look at some of the crime statistics they are surely both dealing with. Starting with the big one – murder – between 2006 and 2012 Ithaca managed to rack up a grand total of zero murders. In Ferguson, during the same period (and with about 64% of the population) they scored 13. The assault totals were on par, with Ferguson recording 362 in that six year period while Ithaca saw 189. (And you could probably decimate that number if you subtracted the college bar fights.)

The point is, Ithaca is probably about one of the safest places you could be in the country and there is so little racial diversity that worrying about a police state cracking down over the color barrier is like preparing for a drought in Seattle. And yet, these kids certainly do seem to have a lot of time to protest. And they love to protest a lot. Just a quick scan of their protest news turned up:

- Protesters Picket Ithaca’s Hobby Lobby
- Ithaca group walking to Syracuse to protest US drone missiles
- Protest for Living Wage at Ithaca McDonald’s
- Protesters in Ithaca Picket Business Over Birth Control

Really, kids. The SWAT team getting a robot probably isn’t going to turn your college town into a police state / war zone. In fact, most of the time your cops are probably more in danger of you boring them to death. And if you were smart, you’d be very grateful for that fact.


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Lol. Good piece.

justltl on August 23, 2014 at 8:39 AM

Naturally, grandchildren get inspired by Grandpa’s war stories. Except, 1960s Grandpa didn’t go to a military war. Grandpa got a college draft deferment and went to war with the local “fascist pigs” over his arrests for disruptive protesting and use of drugs.

RBMN on August 23, 2014 at 8:45 AM

I’m happy when anyone, anywhere protests the increasing militarization of the police — particularly as it relates to their financial umbilical cord with “Homeland Security,” which believes it is arming these departments to fight “dangerous right wingers,” i.e., anyone who disagrees with federal overreach.

Rational Thought on August 23, 2014 at 8:47 AM

I’m with the kids on this one. A waste of money.

Nexialist on August 23, 2014 at 8:49 AM

Shorter Jazz:

Super-duper police equipment is only needed in areas where blacks form a significant percentage of the population.

Because, racism.

“Ithaca doesn’t need this stuff…they don’t have enough blacks to make trouble”

BobMbx on August 23, 2014 at 8:49 AM

I think Jazz is asking the wrong question: what does a sleepy college town of 21,000 need with SWAT training and a robot?

cameo on August 23, 2014 at 8:50 AM

“militarization of the police”

Most over used phrase at Hot Air.

katy the mean old lady on August 23, 2014 at 8:50 AM

In Ferguson, during the same period (and with about 64% of the population) they scored 13.

Not trying to be a pain Jazz, but it seems a little insensitive to count murders like points on the jumbotron.

The point is, Ithaca is probably about one of the safest places you could be in the country and there is so little racial diversity that worrying about a police state cracking down over the color barrier is like preparing for a drought in Seattle.

Pretty good reason to protest spending $100,000 from the DHS. If they want the damn robot they can hike their property taxes to pay for it.

I do find it funny that they do protest often for a bunch of people who will live in the community for 4-6 years at most before shipping out to other Lilly-white suburbs.

airupthere on August 23, 2014 at 8:51 AM

Maybe, this elite northeastern college should worry about this kind of thing happening on its very own campus rather than Ferguson:

Temple Univ. Jewish Student Punched In Face And Called ‘K1ke’ In Anti-Semitic Attack

“Before this I just thought Students for Justice in Palestine was crazy but I didn’t know it would lead to violence.”

Resist We Much on August 23, 2014 at 8:52 AM

Rational Thought on August 23, 2014 at 8:47 AM

The problem (from their perspective) is, peaceful Tea-Party-types don’t give the police any reason to haul out the military gear. Lefties always do. “Not fair.”

RBMN on August 23, 2014 at 8:53 AM

I think Jazz is asking the wrong question: what does a sleepy college town of 21,000 need with SWAT training and a robot?

cameo on August 23, 2014 at 8:50 AM

Yeah, because a mass shooter never appears in the gun-free zones of colleges … like NIU or Virgina Tech, or in this case Cornell University and Ithaca College.

Really, what planet are you living on?

M240H on August 23, 2014 at 8:58 AM

I think Jazz is asking the wrong question: what does a sleepy college town of 21,000 need with SWAT training and a robot?

cameo on August 23, 2014 at 8:50 AM

The SWAT, not so much. But Jazz did say that the robot could be used “in a variety of ways.” Without knowing more about the robot I could foresee a variety of situations where it could go that a human could not due to toxicity, cramped quarters, etc….

307wolverine on August 23, 2014 at 8:58 AM

It always seems the higher the percentage of blacks in a community, the higher the crime rate. Are their any statistics for any community to counter these racial/crime patterns?

otlset on August 23, 2014 at 9:02 AM

It might be mentioned as well that the mentioned population number for Ithaca, 29,000, does not include the transient populations of Cornell and Ithaca College which probably add about 60,000 for nine months of the year.

M240H on August 23, 2014 at 9:02 AM

As of now the grant will be used to fund SWAT training and to buy a robot that could be used in different ways.

And the name of that robot? The T-1000! Fear the Skynet, baby, fear the Skynet!

Thanks for telling people to come to their senses, Jazz.

Stoic Patriot on August 23, 2014 at 9:02 AM

In the interest of cultural diversity the robot could be programmed to break dance.

partsnlabor on August 23, 2014 at 9:03 AM

Interesting….

Small black population, large white population….no murders.

Large black population, small white population….139 murders.

The same could be said for every city in the country. Why is that do you suppose?

repvoter on August 23, 2014 at 9:03 AM

Yeah, because a mass shooter never appears in the gun-free zones of colleges … like NIU or Virgina Tech, or in this case Cornell University and Ithaca College.

Really, what planet are you living on?

M240H on August 23, 2014 at 8:58 AM

Mass shooters don’t take hostages. Hostage situations are what SWAT teams are for. Police departments will do what they have to in order to justify taking equipment and money from FedGov. That doesn’t mean citizens have to accept it.

gryphon202 on August 23, 2014 at 9:03 AM

It’s an upstate New York college town. (That sentence probably looked like it needed something else, but if you live around here it tells you a lot.) It’s basically like a slice of San Francisco was snipped out and dropped into the northeast.

Adding “Southern Tier” after Upstate, helps a lot. I wouldn’t use the word slice and snipping, though. It’s more like splotch and ripping. You could mention it the home of Cornell University where William Jacobson of Legal Insurrection fame hails.

Dusty on August 23, 2014 at 9:05 AM

Yes, its funny, but college students are simultaneously the most self-absorbed of people while being painfully unaware of how they behave.

Its very easy to be a self-righteous idiot in college because all their experiences and knowledge emanate from a video screen of some sort, and second-hand experience of this sort is always reward/punishment free.

They’re young. They’re coddled. They’re foolish. Many are also stupid.

Recent experience shows 47% will never get any smarter or less deluded. THAT’S the scariest thing.

Dolce Far Niente on August 23, 2014 at 9:06 AM

I could foresee a variety of situations where it could go that a human could not due to toxicity, cramped quarters, etc….

307wolverine on August 23, 2014 at 8:58 AM

… sorority privileges.

Walter L. Newton on August 23, 2014 at 9:06 AM

The main problem with SWAT Teams and military-style weapons and “tacti-kewl” gear, is that the cops start wanting to use it, and start looking for an excuse to use it.

It feeds the mindset of many of the cops that anything outside of their precinct building is “indian country” and that somehow they absolutely “need” this gear for their own protection.

Yet, so many of these departments fail to show just what sort of threat(s) they face that would require such gear.

Most of them end up looking like airsoft commandos, but instead of toy guns they have real ones, and sooner or later someone is gonna get killed.

No, it’s time to rein in ALL of that military stuff. Cops should be wearing blue uniforms. They should be armed with a handgun on their duty belt, and a shotgun in the cruiser. If they need more weapons than that, they need to be looking for another job.

TKindred on August 23, 2014 at 9:07 AM

Super-duper police equipment is only needed in areas where blacks form a significant percentage of the population.

Because, racism.

“Ithaca doesn’t need this stuff…they don’t have enough blacks to make trouble”

BobMbx on August 23, 2014 at 8:49 AM

Ignoring the connection between black population and crime is as foolish as ignoring the connection between muslims and terrorism.

Blacks are roughly 13% of the population, but account for over half of all murders, and roughly three quarters of violent crime.

The biggest difference between Ithaca and Ferguson is that Ithaca isn’t an appendage of a large failed Urban area like St. Louis. If it were, the black population of the large city would have naturally migrated to it like they did Ferguson to escape the violent hellhole that they were largely responsible for, turning it INTO that which they left.

Racial problems in this country will only be solved when racial minorities such as blacks and latinos realize that THEY are the cause of their own problems, they and their own culture, DUMP their uncivilized cultures and ASSIMILATE INTO AMERICA.

As for Ithaca, NY, why in the hell are we spending $100,000 of money WE DO NOT HAVE to give gear of any kind to a city that clearly doesn’t have a crime problem?

ConstantineXI on August 23, 2014 at 9:07 AM

Robots are used for bomb disposal. And I’d be shocked if Ithica didn’t have its share of pipe bombs, et al.

Blake on August 23, 2014 at 9:08 AM

As for Ithaca, NY, why in the hell are we spending $100,000 of money WE DO NOT HAVE to give gear of any kind to a city that clearly doesn’t have a crime problem?

ConstantineXI on August 23, 2014 at 9:07 AM

FedGov is aiding in the militarization of local police with not only gear, but training as well. Put 2 and 2 together, and the conclusions one can reach aren’t really such a stretch.

gryphon202 on August 23, 2014 at 9:09 AM

“… because you already know all 8 registered Republicans in town and you can meet them all at one stop for coffee. in Watkins Glen..

Fixed.

Dusty on August 23, 2014 at 9:11 AM

gryphon202 on August 23, 2014 at 9:03 AM

Bl** me, M Veigh. Had enough of your paranoid militia a**. And I didn’t think your Kaczinski cabin had internet. F*** you.

M240H on August 23, 2014 at 9:12 AM

As for Ithaca, NY, why in the hell are we spending $100,000 of money WE DO NOT HAVE to give gear of any kind to a city that clearly doesn’t have a crime problem?

ConstantineXI on August 23, 2014 at 9:07 AM

Because of mass killings and stuff. Only by the time the swat tank rolls in, everyone is already dead.

NWConservative on August 23, 2014 at 9:14 AM

Look, this robot will be a really cool distraction until the novelty wears off and its relegated to scooping up stinky road kill. After that, someone will be assigned to clear out a space in the evidence locker to park it where it will collect dust until the next civic function when it will be trotted out to impress everyone with how uber-cool the Ithaca police department has become.

partsnlabor on August 23, 2014 at 9:16 AM

Bl** me, M Veigh. Had enough of your paranoid militia a**. And I didn’t think your Kaczinski cabin had internet. F*** you.

M240H on August 23, 2014 at 9:12 AM

What a comeback! I guess I was wrong. So sorry for insulting you and making this all personal.

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gryphon202 on August 23, 2014 at 9:16 AM

It might be mentioned as well that the mentioned population number for Ithaca, 29,000, does not include the transient populations of Cornell and Ithaca College which probably add about 60,000 for nine months of the year.

M240H on August 23, 2014 at 9:02 AM

And we all know there never are shooters/hostage takers/crazy people associated with universities. Never any bomb scares.

Sheesh – this place is becoming conspiracy central

katiejane on August 23, 2014 at 9:16 AM

Look, this robot will be a really cool distraction until the novelty wears off and its relegated to scooping up stinky road kill. After that, someone will be assigned to clear out a space in the evidence locker to park it where it will collect dust until the next civic function when it will be trotted out to impress everyone with how uber-cool the Ithaca police department has become.

partsnlabor on August 23, 2014 at 9:16 AM

An arm of government wasting money. Imagine that!

gryphon202 on August 23, 2014 at 9:17 AM

FedGov is aiding in the militarization of local police with not only gear, but training as well. Put 2 and 2 together, and the conclusions one can reach aren’t really such a stretch.

gryphon202 on August 23, 2014 at 9:09 AM

The reason for that is obvious. Big Fed is starting to become frightened by the fact that a population of 300+ million people are beginning to become aware of the fact that there is a coup against our Republic that has been going on mostly slowly, though sometimes quickly (like now) for the last century. Big Fed is also keenly aware that there are hundreds of millions of firearms in the hands of those 300+ million people, and is frightened that except in the bluest of blue areas, gun grabbing is less popular than AIDS.

They are also keenly aware that given orders to fire on American civilians, the military may not obey such an order, as they are sworn to an oath to NOT DO SO. Indeed, the soldier’s oath tells them that someone who gave such an order is a DOMESTIC ENEMY.

Civilian police lack the training and discipline of the professional soldier. They are also comfortable with confronting civilians and using deadly force. Police largely see the civilian as the ENEMY. In any confrontation between Big Fed and American Citizens fed up with it the police are Big Fed’s natural ally.

Obama meant it when he said he wanted a “Civilian Defense Corpse”. Such a thing, largely REPLACING the military, is an absolute necessity for a true Tyrant to assume full dictatorial power, more importantly, to keep it.

ConstantineXI on August 23, 2014 at 9:18 AM

I guess this would be a bad time to point out that I am one of the 8 registered republicans in Ithaca…

UBuffaloBulls on August 23, 2014 at 9:18 AM

And we all know there never are shooters/hostage takers/crazy people associated with universities. Never any bomb scares.

Sheesh – this place is becoming conspiracy central

katiejane on August 23, 2014 at 9:16 AM

It’s the crazies who work for police departments that I’m worried about. I can’t link them all without going into moderation for too many links, but here’s one.

gryphon202 on August 23, 2014 at 9:19 AM

Maybe the cops need the 100Gs from the feds to protect the city from Syracuse since it’s so close.

Kissmygrits on August 23, 2014 at 9:19 AM

No, it’s time to rein in ALL of that military stuff. Cops should be wearing blue uniforms. They should be armed with a handgun on their duty belt, and a shotgun in the cruiser. If they need more weapons than that, they need to be looking for another job.

TKindred on August 23, 2014 at 9:07 AM

In addition, they should be forced to watch Adam-12 and Dragnet re-runs for training.

“This is what cops do. If you want to run around with heavy weaponry in an area where everyone is a suspect, join the Army”

BobMbx on August 23, 2014 at 9:20 AM

I guess this would be a bad time to point out that I am one of the 8 registered republicans in Ithaca…

UBuffaloBulls on August 23, 2014 at 9:18 AM

There’s not a dime’s worth of difference between the two major parties anyway. Not when it comes to thumbing their noses at Peelian Principle policing.

gryphon202 on August 23, 2014 at 9:20 AM

Because of mass killings and stuff. Only by the time the swat tank rolls in, everyone is already dead.

NWConservative on August 23, 2014 at 9:14 AM

Which is exactly what would happen in such a situation because SWAT “special forces” have less courage than Brave Brave Sir Robin.

Hence their need to operate in the dead of night, execute pets, throw munitions at baby cribs, and storm a house with a 30 to 1 advantage to serve a warrant for overdue library books.

Leave the soldiering to soldiers. As for serving warrants, knock on the front door and present it before forcing yourself inside. That Is The Law. The 4th Amendment.

ConstantineXI on August 23, 2014 at 9:24 AM

The point is, Ithaca is probably about one of the safest places you could be in the country and there is so little racial diversity that worrying about a police state cracking down over the color barrier is like preparing for a drought in Seattle.

So why the robot?

WryTrvllr on August 23, 2014 at 9:27 AM

So why the robot?

WryTrvllr on August 23, 2014 at 9:27 AM

Because bomb squad!/

gryphon202 on August 23, 2014 at 9:28 AM

In addition, they should be forced to watch Adam-12 and Dragnet re-runs for training.

“This is what cops do. If you want to run around with heavy weaponry in an area where everyone is a suspect, join the Army”

BobMbx on August 23, 2014 at 9:20 AM

Exactly.

If police want to be trusted members of the community again they need to REJOIN the community. And that means taking off the stormtrooper armor and scrapping the machine guns.

ConstantineXI on August 23, 2014 at 9:31 AM

A few facts you might have missed about the flow of military equipment and tactics to local law enforcement...

“The DOD program, known as 1033, has provided $4.3 billion in free military equipment to local police. The 1033 program allows the Pentagon to transfer weapons to local police departments on permanent loan for free. The program first started in the 1990s as part of an effort to arm police during the drug crisis.”

“States received at least $34 billion in federal grants to purchase military grade supplies in the decade after 9/11.Thousands of local police departments across the country went on a “buying spree” fueled by billions in federal grants, CIR reported. Even in remote cities like Fargo, North Dakota, rated one of the safest cities in America, police officers have traveled with military style assault rifles in their patrol cars.”

“Department of Homeland Security spending on domestic security hit $75 billion a year in 2011. But that spending “has been rife with dubious expenditures,” the Los Angeles Times reported, including $557,400 in rescue and communications gear that went to 1,500 residents of North Pole, Alaska, and a $750,000 “anti-terrorism fence” that was built around a Veterans Affairs hospital in North Carolina.”

“Police conduct up to 80,000 SWAT raids a year in the U.S., up from 3,000 a year in the early ‘80s. That’s according to criminologist and researcher Peter Kraska. But according to a recent study by the American Civil Liberties Union, almost 80 percent of SWAT team raids are linked to search warrants to investigate potential criminal suspects, not for high-stakes “hostage, barricade, or active shooter scenarios.”

http://www.propublica.org/article/the-best-reporting-on-the-federal-push-to-militarize-local-police

luckybogey on August 23, 2014 at 9:32 AM

If police want to be trusted members of the community again they need to REJOIN the community. And that means taking off the stormtrooper armor and scrapping the machine guns.

ConstantineXI on August 23, 2014 at 9:31 AM

A sentiment which I share. But did you see what someone called me upthread?

Bl** me, M Veigh. Had enough of your paranoid militia a**. And I didn’t think your Kaczinski cabin had internet. F*** you.

M240H on August 23, 2014 at 9:12 AM

And what do you think I said to justify that kind of vitriol directed my way? Just this:

Mass shooters don’t take hostages. Hostage situations are what SWAT teams are for. Police departments will do what they have to in order to justify taking equipment and money from FedGov. That doesn’t mean citizens have to accept it.

gryphon202 on August 23, 2014 at 9:03 AM

For that, I was compared with the Oklahoma City bomber.

gryphon202 on August 23, 2014 at 9:36 AM

The SWAT team getting a robot probably isn’t going to turn your college town into a police state / war zone.

That’s not what Rand Paul said. And what if that robot had turned out to be a RACIST? The risks are just too great.

It’s good that the people of Ithaca took Rand Paul’s sage advice to prevent the obviously RACIST police from “unfairly targeting” 6.71% of the population with their RACIST WAR MACHINES.

Pork-Chop on August 23, 2014 at 9:36 AM

Because bomb squad!/

gryphon202 on August 23, 2014 at 9:28 AM

What would we do without them!

WryTrvllr on August 23, 2014 at 9:37 AM

What would we do without them!

WryTrvllr on August 23, 2014 at 9:37 AM

Every city in America could turn into something out of “The Hurt Locker” tomorrow. And if you disagree, you’re as bad as McVeigh!

/SMH

gryphon202 on August 23, 2014 at 9:39 AM

The enemies of the tyrant planning to turn the US into a police state is my friend.

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doufree on August 23, 2014 at 9:40 AM

Jazz,did you ever walk around Titus ave. at night in Ithaca? Try it some time and then tell me how safe Ithaca is.

celtic warrior on August 23, 2014 at 9:40 AM

If police want to be trusted members of the community again they need to REJOIN the community. And that means taking off the stormtrooper armor and scrapping the machine guns.

ConstantineXI on August 23, 2014 at 9:31 AM

Yep.

Now, can someone explain this to me?

The US government wants to prosecute prisoners in civil court, to de-militarize the war on terror, and at the same time provides top-notch military gear and training to civilian police departments, you know, to militarize civil law enforcement.

It makes no sense.

BobMbx on August 23, 2014 at 9:40 AM

ConstantineXI on August 23, 2014 at 9:24 AM

Not now. Now, the law is whatever Obama and Holder say it is.

tngmv on August 23, 2014 at 9:42 AM

Constantine has it right. The creeping militarization of civilian law enforcement should be a concern. Military equipment and the concomitant ‘kick ass and take names’ training will be used at any ‘useful’ moment to justify its continued availability. I worked LE at various levels for over twenty years and it takes only a few years on the streets to harden the best of hearts and create an ‘us vs them’ attitude. Throw heavy weapons into the mix and leadership with fascist mind set and….

vnvet on August 23, 2014 at 9:42 AM

Really, kids. The SWAT team getting a robot probably isn’t going to turn your college town into a police state / war zone.

Yeah. The progressives/anarchists going to college there are more likely to create the war zone considering their antipathy for private enterprise and the business around Ithaca as shown by your round up of protests shows, Jazz.

The desire by Ithaca to get a robot likely the result of the bomb threats somewhat recent bomb threat and bomb scare there which I linked stories to in a previous comment that, for some reason, is stuck in moderation.

Dusty on August 23, 2014 at 9:47 AM

“Ithaca. Ten square miles surrounded by reality.”

-Legal Insurrection (who teaches at Cornell Law School)

Wethal on August 23, 2014 at 9:51 AM

They make a decent point, but the idea that there are nasty people in this world (how far is Canuckistan?) needs to be taken into consideration.

formwiz on August 23, 2014 at 9:54 AM

Although I agree that the purchase of the robot may be over the top, the training aspect of SWAT (Special Weapons and Tactics) may be needed to offset local expenses.
“SWAT” training may in this case be related to mass casualty incidents and rapid response training to high risk encounters. Normally these “low frequency/high risk” situations are not trained enough at the local level, usually due to funding the overtime to train the officers.
SWAT is an overused 70′s hyped term that I think is overused. Yes, there are SWAT teams out there but in this case the local government is wise to accept the money and train up their staff properly to respond to incidents we hope never happen.

ChicagoBlues on August 23, 2014 at 10:03 AM

Why can’t we be frank: it’s all about the black population. At a certain point there is the risk of an awful Ferguson situation. If a police officer shoots a black man and it’s not on camera as a clear self defense (maybe even if it is) then African American agitators and blacks looking for looting possibilities will move in. This is why (along with usual black crime), of course, the white population tends to flee when blacks move in.

This is then a great housing opportunity for blacks especially as
“Obama Inflates FICO Credit Scores To Fuel [minority] Lending”

Chessplayer on August 23, 2014 at 10:04 AM

Hey, look at me!/

CW on August 23, 2014 at 10:04 AM

Stone Age Grug has stone club, not wood! Bad!

Bronze Age Persius has a spear and leather armor,wth he aint military!

Iron Age Did you see the town watch? They have sword and breast plates!

Gun Powder Age When the constibles forces have blunderbuss then all of society is in danger!

1700′s Ahh jeez now they have muskets! When will this militarization end?

1800′s Wth they have repeating rifles? And what is this with them getting cavalry horses

Early 1900′s Did you see the officer with a semi-auto handgun? I even heard they might get some cars!

Post WWII They sure shot those gangsters up good with those Tommie Guns!

70′s and 80′s I think these purchases of Helicopters and an APC or two for some of the biggest cities is alarming…

90′s This body armor, solid shot for shotguns, mace, and steel batons scares me, I have nightmares at night!

Current Times Holy crap cities are getting an Armored Vehicle per 200,000-million people! This is clearly overpowered!

40 years from now In the strongest terms I object to Detroit, Chicago, New York, Los Angeles each buying 40 exosuit body armors! Clearly their swat teams being ready for severe situations is excessive and anti-community!

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Yeah I am mocking a lot of people on their hysteria.

It was not to long ago Los Angeles Police had to fight two bank robbers dressed in full body armor with their handguns. Handguns versus full auto rifles.

How many police lives has a bullet proof vest saved? Why complain about lethal force as only option then complain about mace and a stun gun?

Why is an MRAP, with only a water hose and tear gas dispensers a threat to all of us? What should they do use a patrol car and guys with hand tossed grenades when Anonymous rioters throw molotov cocktails? Or a worn down, expensive to maintain, APC from the 60′s?

The way I see it is criminals and libertarians are obecting because police say no to their desired life styles. Sorry libertarians we need police or gangs WILL take over. And no we won’t decriminalize drugs for you either.

All of this “omg” over a few APCs when guard units in every city have 100+ times the firepower of the whole of all police forces in the area makes me laugh. Those armored transports are nothing in a vast city, they cannot project power, they are useless in a real civil war, they are nothing… there is no threat in a place like Chicago owning 4-8 of these suckers. Quit crying wolf on this subject and keep attention focused on things that matter like Common Core, like the IRS abuses, like the EPA, like Amnesty… in short GROW UP!

And the recent talks of robots and drones. Drones have room for abuse, we should make rules for police using them, robots on bomb squads increases safety… what if Occupy decides to try to bllow up a bridge again but this time do not get caught in the planning stage but the planting of the bombs stage? Look let us try to use some common sense here.

OregonPolitician on August 23, 2014 at 10:07 AM

gryphon202 on August 23, 2014 at 9:03 AM

Look back at the Columbine incident. At that time, patrol officers were only trained to contain the incident and wait until SWAT arrived. In the ensuing 30-40 minutes waiting fo rthe SWAT Team to assemble, Kliebold and Harris went on a shootng rampage and killed more students and faculty. That was the incident that changed the old “wait for SWAT” to training patrol ofifcers in the tactics of rapid response to mass shooters.

ChicagoBlues on August 23, 2014 at 10:09 AM

And the recent talks of robots and drones. Drones have room for abuse, we should make rules for police using them, robots on bomb squads increases safety… what if Occupy decides to try to bllow up a bridge again but this time do not get caught in the planning stage but the planting of the bombs stage? Look let us try to use some common sense here.

OregonPolitician on August 23, 2014 at 10:07 AM

So you see no possibility of local police or city and town forces ever abusing the training and equipment that they have?

Walter L. Newton on August 23, 2014 at 10:13 AM

Walter where did he get close to saying that?

CW on August 23, 2014 at 10:17 AM

Another example of white liberals extreme hypocrisy… To be a liberal, a white liberal in particular, it is a must to be an extreme hypocrite…

mnjg on August 23, 2014 at 10:19 AM

Walter where did he get close to saying that?

CW on August 23, 2014 at 10:17 AM

He didn’t (you read his comment, didn’t you). I was asking him/her a question that seemed a logical extension of this thread topic.

I’ll stop.

Walter L. Newton on August 23, 2014 at 10:20 AM

Walter there are some, and they can and have, but with cameras, bloggers, and more getting on their asses those guys are getting it. We gut the union system and the final protection for abusers is gone.

Gutting the police, making them as weak as security guards is not the answer. Now read my post again and try to put everything in context. They cannot project power in a military fashion, this is something far beyond them. I would bet on a compay of Marines against a 10,000 man police force as well. What police force has mortars, TOW Missiles, and the current iteration of Marine squad level weapons? Heck the Marines got tanks, fighters, and nasty toys police wont see except on the next version of Rambo at the big screen movie theatre.

OregonPolitician on August 23, 2014 at 10:21 AM

CNN posting multiple racially inflammatory stories every day, while keeping its comments sections closed.

The story from the Weekly Standard on Holder makes a good point:

It is difficult not to see a political strategy in the combination of Holder’s activism and, until recently, President Obama’s distance. A tricky electoral landscape awaits the Democratic party this fall. Avoiding losses will require a black vote running at maximum level, as it seldom does in midterm elections.

AmericaDS1234 on August 23, 2014 at 10:22 AM

“Hi mom..yeah this is Biff. I got arrested for disturbing the peace today while protesting the Man! Handcuffed and everything! Yeah I know! Tell your maids that now I totally understand what they went through back in Selma.”

Bishop on August 23, 2014 at 10:22 AM

I was at a loss as to why a Roomba would cause such an outcry. But then I remembered that this is a college town and how clean I was when I lived in the dorms.

Case closed.

unclesmrgol on August 23, 2014 at 10:22 AM

Bishop on August 23, 2014 at 10:22 AM

Heh.

unclesmrgol on August 23, 2014 at 10:23 AM

There’s always a “me too” thing with liberals, like they have to be part of the problem.

bflat879 on August 23, 2014 at 10:25 AM

That was the incident that changed the old “wait for SWAT” to training patrol ofifcers in the tactics of rapid response to mass shooters.

ChicagoBlues on August 23, 2014 at 10:09 AM

A fair enough justification for mass shootings. How about serving a search warrant?

Lets ignore the fact that it was the wrong house to start with, and move on to the point: it was a search warrant, not an arrest warrant, nor a mass shooting, nor a hostage situation, nor a bomb threat.

Why the muscle?

BobMbx on August 23, 2014 at 10:26 AM

WTF does Ithaca need a SWAT team for?

It’s beautiful. It’s in the Finger Lakes region of NY. Corning Glass is near there. There are wineries. It’s a lovely summer of fall trip. It is difficult to imagine a more serene area. It looks like a picture postcard. Other than hauling the college students off to jail, I’m not even sure they need much of a police department.

This is my main beef with US liberals. They are so busy addressing made up problems that they don’t have time to spend on real problems. What is Ithaca doing about people-Muslims, Christian and Zoroastrians being slaughtered in the Middle East?

Looks like nothing to me. They are so distant from real problems that they can no longer see what a real problem is.

Just out of curiousity, it looks like you started to list population breakdown in descending order of frequency for Ithaca then switched. Any reason why?

talkingpoints on August 23, 2014 at 10:26 AM

Members of the Pennsylvania National Guard 1st Battalion 110th Infantry out of Mt. Pleasant, PA trained with mortars at a live-fire range at Ft. Indiantown Gap on Saturday, March 15, 2014. Ft. Indiantown Gap is the only live-fire training facility in the state of Pennsylvania and is one of the busiest National Guard training sites in the country.The Gap annually supports 19,000 Pennsylvania National Guard personnel and more than 130,000 other states’ Guard, military, law enforcement, and civilian personnel each year, according to Tech. Sgt. Ted Nichols.

http://photos.ldnews.com/2014/03/15/photos-mortar-training-at-ft-indiantown-gap/#1

Walter L. Newton on August 23, 2014 at 10:29 AM

Ah, the SWAT team. Daryl Gates’ lasting gift to Civilization.

K. Hobbit on August 23, 2014 at 10:37 AM

“Daddy I was down at the protests today and they brought out this scary vehicle and fired a water cannon at us, I have some pictures and I know you served in Afghanistan so you might be able to tell us what is it. Oh an MRAP huh? How dangerous are they daddy? How many could one of these kill? Why are you laughing, this is serious business dad, I wet my panties when I saw that scary thing! Quit laughing dad, this is very demeaning of the panic it caused in our liberal and libertarian ranks! Why are you slapping the ground like that while weezing, and why are you smiling while gasping for air, this represents a dangerous militarization of police forces! What did you say? You want me to say all of this in front of a bunch of veterans at the local DAV? Oh that sounds like a wonderful idea… jeez dad quit laughing already! I swear it is like to had some laughing gas recently!”

And thus we all can lift the spirits of veterans everywhere by inviting those who are worried to talk about their worries of a Armored Personnel Carrier.

OregonPolitician on August 23, 2014 at 10:38 AM

Interesting….

Small black population, large white population….no murders.

Large black population, small white population….139 murders.

The same could be said for every city in the country. Why is that do you suppose?

repvoter on August 23, 2014 at 9:03 AM

Just stop. Those facts are racist!!!!

Doomsday on August 23, 2014 at 10:43 AM

Honestly, I was shocked that Ithaca managed to rack up 6.7% for black residents.

Considering the number of “Elizabeth Warren” African-Americans likely to be at Cornell and Ithaca College, I’m surprised the number is as low as 6.7%.

Zumkopf on August 23, 2014 at 10:47 AM

The Gap annually supports 19,000 Pennsylvania National Guard personnel and more than 130,000 other states’ Guard, military, law enforcement, and civilian personnel each year, according to Tech. Sgt. Ted Nichols.

http://photos.ldnews.com/2014/03/15/photos-mortar-training-at-ft-indiantown-gap/#1

Walter L. Newton

It’s a training facility, not a “mortar training only” facility. Nowhere in the story does it say law enforcement engages in mortar fire training.

xblade on August 23, 2014 at 10:50 AM

While I agree that coccooned, liberal college kids should have more important things to do than picketing Hobby Lobby (“No picture framing for the Religious RIght!”), the central question should be:
Why does this college academic version of Mayberry NEED a $100,000 SWAT grant?

Let me also point out that Ithaca, I think, still has a gun manufacturer on hand. Is the town insufficiently armed? And if so, will a ‘robot trained to do…interesting things, ‘n stuff’ somehow end the cycle of violence that has resulted in this rash of…no murders?

Here’s a crazy thought.
Put the $100k BACK into the Treasury; use it to pay off 0.000000001% of the Federal debt; send a letter to the Mayor of Ithaca saying “Dear Sir/Madam/LBGT/Whatever: You don’t need this cash. Sorry for the mixup.” And, call it a day.

orangemtl on August 23, 2014 at 10:53 AM

BTW: 13 murders in seven years is hardly a crime wave.

K. Hobbit on August 23, 2014 at 11:05 AM

Did you know I had Portland Police blow up a package that made it into oe of the most secure and safe facilities in the nation? It was due entirely to my identification of the package as a threat (this thing had 9 threat parameters and the recipitant said the man sending it could do such an action).

From that diagnosis on it was for an armored bomb squad man.

Now I have also seen my collection of pipe bombs exploded at the Clackamas River, been in a combat engineers unit, and transported enough explosions for 100 libertarians wet dreams… in one load.

So I may know a few things.

Kids do, have, and will, make bombs for whatever reason, stalkers, terrorists infiltrating our schools, pranks, excitement, and so forth. A single long lasting bomb removal robot is no problem in my eye since you cannot always get a robot quickly from some other agency.

OregonPolitician on August 23, 2014 at 11:07 AM

Why do they even need any kind of SWAT anything?

Because a conservative is aliberal who has been mugged.

The children of the rich and famous end up at Cornell Ivy League University. If the cops are not ready for anything, these parents will sue the town, if anything happens to THEIR kids. They can afford lawyers.

Ithaca is otherwise in the middle of lakes and rolling farmland for miles and miles, and “you can’t even get there from here.” You might even have arrived in Kansas. You can drive down the road that takes you to Cornell, be distracted by waving fields of corn and miss the road and keep on going. You don’t even need a fence to keep the perps from finding it.

And any self respecting perps would not go there. Right? Have you ever heard a perp say they needed to get on the road, go for a long drive in the cornfields to dine on Moosewood veggie meals? They would still be hungry. Right.

Fleuries on August 23, 2014 at 11:11 AM

I assume others have pointed this out, but I’ll ask: why does Ithaca need a SWAT team?

King B on August 23, 2014 at 11:18 AM

OregonPolitician on August 23, 2014 at 10:38 AM

Thanks! You’ve given me a great laugh.

katy the mean old lady on August 23, 2014 at 11:18 AM

Kate the nice young lady

Your welcome *smiles*

OregonPolitician on August 23, 2014 at 11:22 AM

Why does this college academic version of Mayberry NEED a $100,000 SWAT grant?

orangemtl on August 23, 2014 at 10:53 AM

Back when Homeland Security was just getting started they asked the states to submit grant proposals for all potential targets, justifying the expenditures for the state. The state I was in at the time designated a water slide park as a potential target and got the money. It’s always about the money.

Mitoch55 on August 23, 2014 at 11:26 AM

Because bomb squad!/

gryphon202 on August 23, 2014 at 9:28 AM

Yep, those pvssies should defuse anything themselves. Screue them and their families.

katy the mean old lady on August 23, 2014 at 11:27 AM

I think Jazz is asking the wrong question: what does a sleepy college town of 21,000 need with SWAT training and a robot?

cameo on August 23, 2014 at 8:50 AM

All across the country we are spending “free money” like this. Which is why local governments need to fund and decide for themselves if this investment is worthwhile.

jpmn on August 23, 2014 at 11:31 AM

Letha. Weapon, red wire or blue wire?

OregonPolitician on August 23, 2014 at 11:31 AM

If they need a SWAT team, maybe they could call in the one from the Dept of Education. Oops, sorry. They can only be used for bill collection, can’t they.

yesiamapirate on August 23, 2014 at 11:32 AM

Interesting….

Small black population, large white population….no murders.

Large black population, small white population….139 murders.

The same could be said for every city in the country. Why is that do you suppose?

repvoter on August 23, 2014 at 9:03 AM

Pointing out a problem is the first step in finding a solution. Asking why is the next step. The next step is finding a workable solution with measurable metrics and then implementing the solution.

Takes time, money, and commitment. I don’t view murder as a race problem; it is a violent crime problem. Just like I don’t view the fact that most serial killers and mass killers at schools are white. Again, we are dealing with violent criminal activity.

Now, am I realistic in my every day life? Yes, I personally profile and conceal carry if the situation warrants it.

HonestLib on August 23, 2014 at 11:36 AM

How is the policification of Federal Government Agencies get involved in this?

By someone desperate to make a point but unable to really make one?

OregonPolitician on August 23, 2014 at 11:38 AM

White guilt “Stockholm syndrome” triggered by overexposure to liberal blogs and cable news outlets.

pc253 on August 23, 2014 at 11:38 AM

If they need a SWAT team, maybe they could call in the one from the Dept of Education. Oops, sorry. They can only be used for bill collection, can’t they.

yesiamapirate on August 23, 2014 at 11:32 AM

“The U.S. Department of Education (ED) intends to purchase twenty-seven (27) REMINGTON BRAND MODEL 870 POLICE 12/14P MOD GRWC XS4 KXCS SF. RAMAC #24587 GAUGE: 12 BARREL: 14? – PARKERIZED CHOKE: MODIFIED SIGHTS: GHOST RING REAR WILSON COMBAT; FRONT – XS CONTOUR BEAD SIGHT STOCK: KNOXX REDUCE RECOIL ADJUSTABLE STOCK FORE-END: SPEEDFEED SPORT-SOLID – 14? LOP are designated as the only shotguns authorized for ED based on compatibility with ED existing shotgun inventory, certified armor and combat training and protocol, maintenance, and parts”.

HonestLib on August 23, 2014 at 11:43 AM

Interesting….

Small black population, large white population….no murders.

Large black population, small white population….139 murders.

The same could be said for every city in the country. Why is that do you suppose?

repvoter on August 23, 2014 at 9:03 AM

It’s like the naked emperor parable. You’re supposed to point out that nearly every predominately black neighborhood in the United States is afflicted by crime, violence and depravity.

Mitochondrion on August 23, 2014 at 11:44 AM

formwiz on August 23, 2014 at 9:54 AM

New York state has the largest number of mosques in the country. Followed by #2 California and then my state, Texas.

I’m keeping up with these things.

WhirledPeas on August 23, 2014 at 11:45 AM

Police largely see the civilian as the ENEMY.

ConstantineXI on August 23, 2014 at 9:18 AM

If you have to result to hyperbole to prove your point, you’ve already lost.

It appears that you’re taking a handful of extreme newsworthy examples (and there indisputably have been some really bad ones) and extrapolating an overall attitude among all police officers nationwide. I don’t believe the facts support that assertion.

Moreover, even if you’re correct, I think that the examples of police overreaction are the result of a large swath of “civilians” becoming more and more brazen and dangerous because society as a whole has become soft on crime. The solution is tougher sentencing of criminals and better training of LEOs, not depriving them of equipment that they may need to perform their jobs.

Syzygy on August 23, 2014 at 11:46 AM

what if Occupy decides to try to blow up a bridge again but this time do not get caught in the planning stage but the planting of the bombs stage? Look let us try to use some common sense here.

OregonPolitician on August 23, 2014 at 10:07 AM

That’s one hell of a robot.

It can remove bombs from support girders of bridges (the most likely location).

And, it can disarm the bomb.

mockmook on August 23, 2014 at 11:52 AM

If the States gave powers of Search Warrants and Arrest to militias these same people would be screaming against militias….

OregonPolitician on August 23, 2014 at 11:53 AM

Yeah, because a mass shooter never appears in the gun-free zones of colleges … like NIU or Virgina Tech, or in this case Cornell University and Ithaca College.

Really, what planet are you living on?

M240H on August 23, 2014 at 8:58 AM

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Wow! This comment reminded me of the UT-Austin shootings by Charles Whitman back in 1966. I reviewed the event on wikipedia (for background and a synopsis of events) and it is actually a pretty good exposition of the event.
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Charles Whitman took out 16, injured 32 others, one of which died years later (whose death was ruled a homocide! familiar result recently, right?). This event prompted the formation of SWAT teams in larger metropolitan area police forces.

ExpressoBold on August 23, 2014 at 11:58 AM

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