NATO: Russia has moved artillery units and personnel into Ukraine

posted at 12:41 pm on August 22, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

I’m certain this is all part of “humanitarian aid,” right? Nothing says lovin’ like artillery fire heading for your oven, or something:

The Russian military has moved artillery units manned by Russian personnel inside Ukrainian territory in recent days and is using them to fire at Ukrainian forces, NATO officials said on Friday.

The West has long accused Russia of supporting the separatist forces in eastern Ukraine, but this is the first time it has said it had evidence of the direct involvement of the Russian military.

The Russian move represents a significant escalation of the Kremlin’s involvement in the fighting there and comes as a convoy of Russian trucks with humanitarian provisions has crossed into Ukrainian territory without Kiev’s permission.

NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Ramussen accused Russia of invading Ukraine and violating its sovereignty. And that was just in relation to the “aid convoy,” which looks much more like cover for their infiltration into eastern Ukraine:

And for the first time, NATO accused Russia of directly intervening in Ukraine, as Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen said Russian artillery support is being employed against Ukrainian forces in eastern regions where fighting has raged for months.

Rasmussen said the Russian convoy had entered into Ukraine without its government’s consent and without any involvement from the Red Cross. He warned it would only escalate the crisis in the region to worrying levels, and he suggested it threw into question whether Russia’s true purpose for providing the “humanitarian” aid was to supply arms to pro-Russian separatists.

“This is a blatant breach of Russia’s international commitments, including those made recently in Berlin and Geneva, and a further violation of Ukraine’s sovereignty by Russia,” Rasmussen said. “It can only deepen the crisis in the region, which Russia itself has created and has continued to fuel. The disregard of international humanitarian principles raises further questions about whether the true purpose of the aid convoy is to support civilians or to resupply armed separatists.” …

“These developments are even more worrying as they coincide with a major escalation in Russian military involvement in Eastern Ukraine since mid-August, including the use of Russian forces. In addition, Russian artillery support – both cross-border and from within Ukraine – is being employed against the Ukrainian armed forces,” Rasmussen said.

“We have also seen transfers of large quantities of advanced weapons, including tanks, armoured personnel carriers, and artillery to separatist groups in Eastern Ukraine. Moreover, NATO is observing an alarming build-up of Russian ground and air forces in the vicinity of Ukraine.”

There’s more where that came from, too:

The Pentagon demanded an end to any “unauthorized entry” into Ukraine, especially under the guise of humanitarian aid:

The presence of Russian vehicles in Ukraine is an “unauthorized entry” and the personnel and vehicles must be removed immediately, Pentagon spokesman Rear Adm. John Kirby told reporters Friday. No Russian personnel should enter Ukraine under the guise of a humanitarian convoy, Kirby said.

“Unauthorized entry”? That sounds like a passport issue, not moving artillery into another country to attack its military. This might be more of a reaction to the convoy rather than the NATO statement, but, er … doesn’t the Pentagon talk with NTO about these issues?

Ukraine can now say, “I told you so”:

Not that doing so will provide much comfort, of course. The declaration by NATO leadership of Russian infiltration and offensive operations in eastern Ukraine will force Western leaders to come to terms with Russian aggression in the region. The EU and US had already threatened expanded sanctions against Russia if they moved militarily in Ukraine in support of the rebels, and now the time has arrived. Ukraine won’t be able to hold out against the Russian military for long if Vladimir Putin decides to stay, so the only way to reverse this course is to make it as expensive as possible for Putin and his supporters.

Rasmussen’s accusation puts pressure on Barack Obama, too. Will he come back from his vacation for this, or will we get another brief statement before tee time?

Update: The Washington Post has picked up the news in an updated version of their earlier story on the “aid” convoy:

NATO said Friday that Russian artillery pieces are firing at the Ukrainian military from Russian territory and within Ukraine, dramatically escalating a conflict that has taken a new turn with the unauthorized entry into eastern Ukraine of what the alliance described as a “Russian so-called humanitarian convoy.”

NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen condemned the entry of the convoy Friday as “a blatant breach of Russia’s international commitments” and said it could only deepen a crisis that Moscow has created and helped to fuel.

“The disregard of international humanitarian principles raises further questions about whether the true purpose of the aid convoy is to support civilians or to resupply armed separatists,” Rasmussen said in a statement issued from NATO headquarters.

Unless artillery shells are considered humanitarian aid and launching them at high speed considered humanitarian distribution, I’d say we already have the answer to that, no?

Update: The Daily Caller noticed the reluctance at the Pentagon to call this an invasion, too:

“We are very concerned by the movement of a Russian convoy across Ukraine’s border,” the rear admiral said. “We strongly condemn this action, and any actions that Russian forces take that increase tensions in the region.”

“Russia should not send vehicles, persons or cargo of any kind into Ukraine, whether under the guise of humanitarian convoys or any other pretext, without Kiev’s express permission,” Kirby warned. “This is a violation of Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity by Russia.”

“Russia must remove its vehicles and personnel from the territory of Ukraine immediately,” he declared. “Failure to do so will result in additional costs and isolation.”

“Does the U.S. consider this an invasion?” one reporter asked.

“It’s certainly an unauthorized entry into Ukraine by this convoy,” Kirby replied, “and we are consulting, as I said, with international partners right now about next steps. I don’t have anything additional to add at this time.”

Kirby later appeared to stop himself when describing the invasion. “We’ve made our position very, very clear,” he said. “That they should not be doing this under the guise of a humanitarian convoy, to use that as an excuse, um . . . uh . . . to act . . . to cross the border in an unauthorized way.”

That ought to do it … thanks very much:


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Putin knows he has until 1/20/2017 to reconquer the territory of the Soviet Union without meaningful American interference.

He’s going to use it.

ConstantineXI on August 22, 2014 at 12:42 PM

Will CNN call Ferguson in the morning?

mjbrooks3 on August 22, 2014 at 12:47 PM

Rasmussen’s accusation puts pressure on Barack Obama, too. Will he come back from his vacation for this, or will we get another brief statement before tee time?

It’s raining up here today so there may be no golf. Unless he plays the Wii. Having said there we still have a few minutes. He likes to get started between 1:05 and 1:10 p.m. EDT.

dogsoldier on August 22, 2014 at 12:47 PM

Good thing for Obama that all his red lines come with a reset button.

TXUS on August 22, 2014 at 12:47 PM

This will get a rise out of Obama’s putter!!

Deano1952 on August 22, 2014 at 12:49 PM

Ukraine can now say, “I told you so”

No, Ukraine can now fight to the last man to defend itself, and attempt to inflict as much damage as possible upon Russia and its assets in the meantime.

Akzed on August 22, 2014 at 12:49 PM

This will get a rise out of Obama’s putter!!

Deano1952 on August 22, 2014 at 12:49 PM

Only Reggie Love gets a rise from Obama.

ConstantineXI on August 22, 2014 at 12:50 PM

They’ve already got their wheels in place.

Kissmygrits on August 22, 2014 at 12:50 PM

Only Reggie Love gets a rise from Obama. ConstantineXI on August 22, 2014 at 12:50 PM

Oh Michael does too, ask Joan Rivers.

Akzed on August 22, 2014 at 12:51 PM

Ukraine, Russia political crisis
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NATO officials say Russian personnel are manning artillery units inside Ukrainian territory, firing at Ukrainian forces – @nytimes
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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/23/world/europe/russia-moves-artillery-units-into-ukraine-nato-says.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&smid=tw-nytimes&_r=0

canopfor on August 22, 2014 at 12:19 PM

canopfor on August 22, 2014 at 12:51 PM

Obama to take a break from golf…
get into the limo…
talk to the media about stupid stuff…
get back into the limo..

huck and jive all night long….

Marie Barf to explain further how smart power is awesome…

Electrongod on August 22, 2014 at 12:51 PM

‘Flexibility’®

This narcissistic infant president has us on the edge of WWIII…

abnormal_1 on August 22, 2014 at 12:53 PM

Perhaps Barry is cracking up?

albill on August 22, 2014 at 12:53 PM

Nations move artillery units and personnel into Ukraine every single day. Is Obama supposed to only be concerned about the ones moved by Russia? What you want is for Obama to show solemnity to the hurt Russia’s action has on our national power. That they felt confident moving artillery units and personnel into Ukraine is something the hawks want to prevent, not because they care about Ukranians, but because they care about how big the rest of the world believes our fly pole is. Be nice if folks could admit that instead of making themselves look dumb by acting like Obama’s supposed to care about any Ukranians who die.

rogerb on August 22, 2014 at 12:54 PM

Fore!

Aizen on August 22, 2014 at 12:54 PM

No, Ukraine can now fight to the last man to defend itself, and attempt to inflict as much damage as possible upon Russia and its assets in the meantime.

Akzed on August 22, 2014 at 12:49 PM

It’s a choice for them of doing that or being wiped off the map.

Russia’s conventional forces aren’t in that great a shape, hence the trickery Putin had to use even to seize the Crimea (even at a time Ukraine was so chaotic it didn’t have any leadership that could resist).

They seem to be better organized now and are actually defeating the “Russian Separatists” (which are Russian Spetznatz and nonuniformed troops). They might be able to defeat the main Russian army.

Putin is risking everything if he DOES invade.

If the West would take this seriously, impose REAL sanctions aimed at stopping Russia from exporting gas and oil, Putin would become so unpopular as to be overthrown in a coup.

ConstantineXI on August 22, 2014 at 12:56 PM

https://twitter.com/APDiploWriter

Matt Lee @APDiploWriter · 22m

Minutes! “@attackerman: “We v concerned by movement of #Russia convoy across #Ukraine border… We strongly condemn,” @PentagonPresSec”

https://twitter.com/PentagonPresSec

canopfor on August 22, 2014 at 12:59 PM

Putin knows he has until 1/20/2017 to reconquer the territory of the Soviet Union without meaningful American interference.

He’s going to use it.

ConstantineXI on August 22, 2014 at 12:42 PM

What after 1/20/2014? Is the new president going to invade Russia? Is the new president going to send American troops to stop the Russian? What is the new president going to do? Inquiring minds want to know.

coolrepublica on August 22, 2014 at 1:00 PM

Zero to Putin, ‘I’ll have more flexibility after election.’

nor on August 22, 2014 at 1:00 PM

Maybe Hot Air should stop lying and start posting about massive civilian deaths in Lugansk and Donetsk.

Fortitude on August 22, 2014 at 1:01 PM

“Those sanctions have Putin on the ropes.” -some HA liberal imbecile

TarasBulbous on August 22, 2014 at 1:02 PM

What after 1/20/2014? Is the new president going to invade Russia? Is the new president going to send American troops to stop the Russian? What is the new president going to do? Inquiring minds want to know.

coolrepublica on August 22, 2014 at 1:00 PM

The new president will do more than tee off, is my guess.

TarasBulbous on August 22, 2014 at 1:03 PM

Since Mexican military units have acted with impunity, firing into the US I don’t expect Barky to be worked up about the Russian in Ukraine.

xkaydet65 on August 22, 2014 at 1:05 PM

The Russian military has moved artillery units manned by Russian personnel inside Ukrainian territory in recent days and is using them to fire at Ukrainian forces, NATO officials said on Friday.

Better than firing at Malaysian airliners, I suppose.

Happy Nomad on August 22, 2014 at 1:05 PM

Personally, If Putin goes all in on Ukraine, why not involve Poland and the Baltic States? Russia is big, but if those states sent what military force they had in on another front, whilst Putin has his good stuff involved in street to street urban fighting in Donetsk, then Putin might have an issue.

If Poland and the Baltic states are going to have to fight for their survival–and realize, if Putin is jumping in here, then he clearly wants to recreate the Soviet Bloc–then it’s much better to fight on Russian territory as much as possible.

Sure, Latvia and Lithuania don’t have much of an armed force, but Poland and Check and Slovak do, and they could at least put off fighting Putin one at a time.

Not a single country could have beaten the Wehrmacht in WWII (aside from the US, of course, but it would have been hard, hard, hard), but together the world beat Germany down. Putin can take any of these countries… but all at the same time? Sure, Obama will do jack squat, but the Brits and Germans will at least sell resupply to the Poles and the Ukrainians. I hope.

Vanceone on August 22, 2014 at 1:08 PM

Probing:

https://twitter.com/NATOSource

NATOSource @NATOSource · 4h

Russian bombers intercepted/escorted by NATO fighter planes from Netherlands Britain & Denmark http://m.aviationweek.com/blog/bears-play-double-dutch-nato-fighters?NL=AW-05&Issue=AW-05_20140822_AW-05_401&YM_RID=%27email%27&YM_MID=%27mmid%27&sfvc4enews=42&cl=article_5

NATOSource @NATOSource · 4h

Netherlands MoD: Two Russian Tu-95 bombers entered Dutch airspace (h/t @casey_sted) http://en.itar-tass.com/world/746140 #MH17

canopfor on August 22, 2014 at 1:09 PM

What after 1/20/2014? Is the new president going to invade Russia? Is the new president going to send American troops to stop the Russian? What is the new president going to do? Inquiring minds want to know.

coolrepublica on August 22, 2014 at 1:00 PM

I want to know where your mind is.

Schadenfreude on August 22, 2014 at 1:09 PM

Jarrett, Psaki and Harf fascinate the Russians to no end, for risible reasons.

Schadenfreude on August 22, 2014 at 1:10 PM

I heard they have had some problems with paper delivery in Martha’s Vineyard, so Barry is a little behind on current events.

Sven on August 22, 2014 at 1:19 PM

Call Putin’s bluff. Have the Ukraine request a NATO exercise, with all Nations participating, in the Eastern Ukraine and Putin will depart quickly.

leader4hru on August 22, 2014 at 1:20 PM

Unless artillery shells are considered humanitarian aid and launching them from rockets considered humanitarian distribution

Ed, artillery shells aren’t launched from rockets. They are fired from artillery. You don’t launch anything from rockets, generally, you launch the rockets, themselves.

realize, if Putin is jumping in here, then he clearly wants to recreate the Soviet Bloc

Vanceone on August 22, 2014 at 1:08 PM

I think more of Czarist Russia than the USSR, though his mental template is from Soviet times.

GWB on August 22, 2014 at 1:22 PM

If The One does zilch about the ‘unauthorized entry’ of millions of Third World munchkins across our southern border, why would he give a falafal about the Ukraine?

vnvet on August 22, 2014 at 1:22 PM

And why exactly can you trust NATO on this subject? It’s a propaganda war all over… put up some pictures or a youtube or something.

This warfare by press release on both sides is getting ridiculous.

ninjapirate on August 22, 2014 at 1:22 PM

Schadenfreude on August 22, 2014 at 1:09 PM

She doesn’t have one…

Barred on August 22, 2014 at 1:23 PM

Call Putin’s bluff. Have the Ukraine request a NATO exercise, with all Nations participating, in the Eastern Ukraine and Putin will depart quickly.

Take a look at this chart…
http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=UAH&to=USD

There is a lot of damage Russia can do to Ukraine economy… people who think they can hurt Russia without hurting Ukraine too are living in a dream world.

ninjapirate on August 22, 2014 at 1:24 PM

Let’s put our money where our mouth is.

http://www.gofundme.com/SupportOfficerWilson

they lie on August 22, 2014 at 1:27 PM

Vanceone on August 22, 2014 at 1:08 PM

Too bad Poland et al don’t have missle defense systems. I wonder how Obama polls there.

butch on August 22, 2014 at 1:28 PM

So, if somebody breaks into my house and shoots at me, is that now an “unlawful entry”?

Do I tell them that they have entered in an unauthorized fashion? Or do I shoot them?

IndieDogg on August 22, 2014 at 1:30 PM

Ed, artillery shells aren’t launched from rockets. They are fired from artillery. You don’t launch anything from rockets, generally, you launch the rockets, themselves.

GWB on August 22, 2014 at 1:22 PM

Gaaah. Of course you’re correct; I was attempting to write something else entirely. I’ve fixed it above.

Ed Morrissey on August 22, 2014 at 1:33 PM

Hey, why not. That pencil necked geek won’t do anything about it!

rjoco1 on August 22, 2014 at 1:34 PM

Maybe Hot Air should stop lying and start posting about massive civilian deaths in Lugansk and Donetsk.

Fortitude on August 22, 2014 at 1:01 PM

Sources?

Deckard BR on August 22, 2014 at 1:38 PM

And now the Russians have 265 trucks with military drivers inside the country. Want to be those drivers are an advance fighting unit?

Walter L. Newton on August 22, 2014 at 1:43 PM

be = bet (sheeeesssshhhh)

Walter L. Newton on August 22, 2014 at 1:45 PM

https://twitter.com/AP

The Associated Press @AP · 2m

VIDEO: Russian aid convoy arrives in Ukraine: http://apne.ws/1q546ne
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4_UG_YQHWg&list=UU52X5wxOL_s5yw0dQk7NtgA

canopfor on August 22, 2014 at 1:46 PM

What after 1/20/2014? Is the new president going to invade Russia? Is the new president going to send American troops to stop the Russian? What is the new president going to do? Inquiring minds want to know.

coolrepublica on August 22, 2014 at 1:00 PM

1) Order a full-scale Exercise Reforger
2) Offer Ukraine, Finland, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia advanced weaponry and training
3) Insist that all NATO member states spend no less than 5% of their GDP on defense
4) Immediately push for changes to the law to allow petroleum exports to Europe
5) Immediately approve the development of the terminal facilities necessary to ship LNG to Europe on a massive scale
6) Make it clear that #5 is a temporary remedy, and that Europe MUST move forward with additional nuclear power generation and end all bans on fracking rather than relying on capricious Greentard pipe-dreams like wind and solar that have already failed massively on the continent
7) Recognize Kurdistan as an independent state and help facilitate transport of oil from their oil fields to Europe

Walter Sobchak on August 22, 2014 at 1:47 PM

“Unauthorized entry”

Just curious. If Mexico moved artillery pieces into Texas or Arizona and then had 34 semi’s run past the border stop- what would we call that? “For the children”?

Marcus Traianus on August 22, 2014 at 1:49 PM

Yay, another autoplay video!

Dunedainn on August 22, 2014 at 1:50 PM

They seem to be better organized now and are actually defeating the “Russian Separatists” (which are Russian Spetznatz and nonuniformed troops). They might be able to defeat the main Russian army.

Putin is risking everything if he DOES invade.

I am somewhat hopeful you’re correct and have had the same ideas myself. Remember that in 2008 the Russians failed to conquer Georgia and their army collapsed into disorganized chaos and looting around Gori. It was at that point I began considering they might be a paper tiger. Ukraine is a much larger country than Georgia, so I’ve wondered if they might really be able to repel a direct invasion if they stand and fight.

The consequences of an outright Ukrainian military victory for global politics would be extremely interesting, to say the least.

If the West would take this seriously, impose REAL sanctions aimed at stopping Russia from exporting gas and oil, Putin would become so unpopular as to be overthrown in a coup.

ConstantineXI on August 22, 2014 at 12:56 PM

The current sanctions are hurting the Russian business community, particularly Russian banks, but I agree that oil and gas bans would really get Putin’s attention.

Doomberg on August 22, 2014 at 1:51 PM

Nations move artillery units and personnel into Ukraine every single day. Is Obama supposed to only be concerned about the ones moved by Russia? What you want is for Obama to show solemnity to the hurt Russia’s action has on our national power. That they felt confident moving artillery units and personnel into Ukraine is something the hawks want to prevent, not because they care about Ukranians, but because they care about how big the rest of the world believes our fly pole is. Be nice if folks could admit that instead of making themselves look dumb by acting like Obama’s supposed to care about any Ukranians who die.

rogerb on August 22, 2014 at 12:54 PM

You can’t be serious.

Dunedainn on August 22, 2014 at 1:59 PM

It’s a choice for them of doing that or being wiped off the map.

Russia’s conventional forces aren’t in that great a shape, hence the trickery Putin had to use even to seize the Crimea (even at a time Ukraine was so chaotic it didn’t have any leadership that could resist).

They seem to be better organized now and are actually defeating the “Russian Separatists” (which are Russian Spetznatz and nonuniformed troops). They might be able to defeat the main Russian army.

Putin is risking everything if he DOES invade.

If the West would take this seriously, impose REAL sanctions aimed at stopping Russia from exporting gas and oil, Putin would become so unpopular as to be overthrown in a coup.

ConstantineXI on August 22, 2014 at 12:56 PM

Showers and Socks Credited With Improved Health of Russian Army

You also have to consider that the Russian thugs are on one of Pooty’s empire-building adventures, whereas the Ukrainians are fighting for the existence of their nation.

slickwillie2001 on August 22, 2014 at 2:05 PM

Remember that in 2008 the Russians failed to conquer Georgia

The idea that Russia even tried to “conquer” Georgia is completely stupid. They did think about bombing Tbilisi though.

The consequences of an outright Ukrainian military victory for global politics would be extremely interesting, to say the least.

Ukraine has no prayer of winning an outright victory… look where the fighting is now, they will lose most of their military as POWs in a simple pincer maneuver.

If the West would take this seriously, impose REAL sanctions aimed at stopping Russia from exporting gas and oil, Putin would become so unpopular as to be overthrown in a coup.

ConstantineXI on August 22, 2014 at 12:56 PM

The current sanctions are hurting the Russian business community, particularly Russian banks, but I agree that oil and gas bans would really get Putin’s attention.

Europe is barely treading recession and even Ukraine itself can’t live without Russian gas… India and China won’t listen to it and because of the short term supply shortages that would ensue I could see India and other nations completely ignore not only the sanctions against Russia but also those Iran.

ninjapirate on August 22, 2014 at 2:07 PM

You also have to consider that the Russian thugs are on one of Pooty’s empire-building adventures, whereas the Ukrainians are fighting for the existence of their nation.

What complete nonsense… look at the latest vice documentary(which the guy behind it is anti-russian)… those injured rebels are from Donbass.

It’s insane that people actually believe that the people fighting in the east are not actually from there.

ninjapirate on August 22, 2014 at 2:11 PM

You can’t be serious.
 
Dunedainn on August 22, 2014 at 1:59 PM

 
Glance at the Foley/golf thread to get the joke.

rogerb on August 22, 2014 at 2:34 PM

Ukraine, Russia political crisis
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White House calls on Russia to remove convoy from Ukraine or face consequences – @Reuters

http://www.breakingnews.com/

canopfor on August 22, 2014 at 2:39 PM

Humanitarian aid in the same sense Georgie Patton told his men, “I don’t have to tell you who won the war. You know who won the war. Our artillery did”.

formwiz on August 22, 2014 at 2:50 PM

I’ve lost count. Is the the 11th or 12th time Russia has invaded Ukraine in the last few months?

VorDaj on August 22, 2014 at 3:35 PM

ninjapirate on August 22, 2014 at 1:24 PM

You bring up excellent points though the Russian military is not what it used to be, though neither are we.

Clearly, we could end this now, if we wanted to. Go directly to China and essentially say we want to work out an energy deal with you contingent on you ending your relationship with Russia. I realize we have almost no pull there at moment because of the One, but adults could figure out a way to make that happen.

And while China and India are making scary sounds about being angry with us (Obama’s squandering of the good work Bush did in India is just awful) neither India or China can live without access to our market. It would hurt us no doubt. But China would collapse completely and they don’t have enough of a military to do anything about it.

I accept any push back on the premise that Obama has not done anything necessary to provide us the options to act easily or perhaps even as I have outlined. That is the cost of having teenagers run the government for the last 5 or 6 years.

Zomcon JEM on August 22, 2014 at 3:36 PM

The CFR, Council on Foreign Relations, hardly my normal source, have published a surprising – for them – article at their online magazine “Why the Ukraine Crisis Is the West’s Fault The Liberal Delusions That Provoked Putin”

I tried to publish a link that tied together the neo con gaming on this one, but for some reason it would not post. The nation builders need a war

Victory Nuland, the asst sec of state who leaked info on the 5 billion dollar democracy training in Ukraine that preceded tossing out the last leader, began as chief of staff to Bill Clinton’s deputy sec of state, Strobe Talbott (whose college thesis was on the end of the Nation State) In Clinton’s war, Russia’s ally Serbia was wiped

She then became VP Dick Cheney’s foreign policy adviser. He recommended her as US Ambassador to NATO. Later Nuland was press spokesman for Hillary Clinton. Nuland provided the Susan Rice talking points. Later became Asst sec state for European and Asian Affairs. Her spouse Robert Kagan moved from Cheney camp to DEM in 2007. Despite that he became McCain’s foreign policy adviser in the 2008 election and was Romneys FP adviser. Kagan works at Brookings where he is anti Putin, supports bringing Ukraine and Georgia into NATO, supported the fall of Assad, and the destabilization of Russia’s southern border. Kagan’s brother Fred was ‘anti corruption’ adviser to Gen Petraeus, and Fred’s wife worked on US policy for the military occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan. One big hive

Nuland was in Cairo promoting the ‘arab spring’ and in Ukraine handing out doughnuts when the crowds tossed out the last elected leader. There are oil contracts waiting

Meanwhile the US gov put put bid requests to supply materials to build a border fence – across the full border between Crimea and Ukraine. I thought fences didn’t work.

Sadly, sanction wars combined with spear shaking,created the environment that pushed the world into WWII. They are determined to repeat the stupidity. So far the public isn’t taking the bait

entagor on August 22, 2014 at 5:36 PM

This narcissistic infant president has us on the edge of WWIII…

abnormal_1 on August 22, 2014 at 12:53 PM

In fairness, he isn’t the only one who is hopelessly out of his depth. The thugs and barbarians of the world are emboldened because they have perceived that the all of the ‘senior’ governments of Western Europe and North America are led by preening, pontificating, clueless nincompoops.

YiZhangZhe on August 22, 2014 at 5:39 PM

Clearly, we could end this now, if we wanted to. Go directly to China and essentially say we want to work out an energy deal with you contingent on you ending your relationship with Russia. I realize we have almost no pull there at moment because of the One, but adults could figure out a way to make that happen.
Zomcon JEM on August 22, 2014 at 3:36 PM

China already has deals with Russia. A BRICs bank to compete with IMF has been created between China, Russia, India, Brazil, South Africa. A yuan ruble swap has just been negotiated. China has signed currency swap agreements with the Swiss, Indonesia, Brazil, setting up UK, Germany, Luxembourg, France and South Korea.

China is acting to free itself of the need for US dollars. China backs Russia on Malaysian Flight M17. Russia may well back China on the Pacific territory disputes.

The BRICs met with Latin countries this summer. India just veto’d a new WTO treaty. Stupidly, the Western sanctions against Russia facilitated the switch from the US dollar as world currency. Not to mention, rich Russians moving their dollars to alternate currency in Hong Kong. Breitbart reported China is getting ready to dump its 1.3 trillion in Treasury bonds which will push up our interest rates (variable rate mortgage or credit cards).

China stopped buying US debt last year. All you get back is US dollars. Someone, probably RU has begun unloading US debt. It is being done slowly. Too fast, and the dollars returned for debt notes become worthless. China has been making huge inroads in Africa, building infrastructure in return for raw materials.

It is too late to make nice. The key is China stopped buying T notes last year. Half our treasury sales since then have been to ourselves, other major buyer is a mystery buyer in Belgium – which rumor says may use the initials Q.E.2.

IMHO the big mistake happened after Russia broke up, when Clinton, Bill sent in financial experts to help the ex Soviet transition to ‘democracy’ and the RU people got royally scrxwed. The sins of the fathers

entagor on August 22, 2014 at 6:16 PM

YiZhangZhe on August 22, 2014 at 5:39 PM

yes

entagor on August 22, 2014 at 6:18 PM

NATO: Russia has moved artillery units and personnel into Ukraine

Slava!

Dr. ZhivBlago on August 23, 2014 at 9:36 PM