YouGov poll: Most Americans, and most Democrats, do not wish Hillary had won in 2008

posted at 7:21 pm on August 21, 2014 by Allahpundit

I’m surprised, not because I think Hillary’s wildly more popular than O but because, in year six of an increasingly lame lame-duck presidency, you’d think “anyone but Obama” sentiment would be high on both sides. And since Hillary’s the Democratic nominee-in-waiting, she’s the obvious “anyone” in a poll like this. Democrats can idealize her and pretend that she would have avoided all of the mistakes that Obama’s made; Republicans, having concluded that no one could possibly be worse than The One, can prefer her on those grounds alone.

But that’s not what we see.

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The obvious explanation for the Democratic numbers, I suppose, is loss aversion. They made a choice with momentous consequences in nominating Obama; given the size of their investment in him, it’d be wrenching psychologically to admit now that they backed the wrong horse. And of course liberals are suspicious that Hillary would have been/will be a hawkish Clintonian centrist once in office. They might prefer O on principle, for the same reason they prefer Elizabeth Warren to her. (Check the crosstabs and you’ll find that self-identified liberals are slightly less likely than Democrats to say they wish she had won in 2008, 21/59 versus 26/59.) As for Republicans, I thought “anyone but Obama” sentiment would be so intense that a clear majority would say they wished Hillary had been president six years ago instead of him. Instead, 31/49. That may be proof that GOPers are already getting into battle mode for 2016, convincing themselves that Barack Obama is the worst conceivable person we could have as president except of course for the person the Democrats are likely to nominate next. (Hillary’s favorable rating here is 51/42, not much better than Obama’s 46/49, which suggests partisan feelings are hardening as her image morphs from statesman to candidate.) And maybe some Republicans are treating this as a more basic question about the 2008 election: They have no preference between Hillary and Obama because they wanted McCain/Palin to win. A Democratic president is bad news no matter who the Democrat is.

More from YouGov:

There are a number of areas where few Americans see major differences between Clinton and Obama. Not only do just one in five believe she would do a better job handling the fighting in Syria, but similar low percentages say that about whether she’d be better dealing with Israel and Palestine, ISIS in Iraq, or the Ukraine-Russia conflict.

Most see no impact of a Clinton Presidency on relations with Congress, which are at a stalemate. Just about as many think Republicans in Congress would have opposed Clinton less than they oppose the current President as think they would have opposed her more. For the majority, there would have been no difference.

Most Republicans agree there would be no difference, though more claim the GOP would have opposed Clinton less than say the opposite.

That surprises me too. It’s an article of faith within lefty media racism helps drive the GOP’s staunch opposition to Obama. If you believe that then, I would think, you’d also believe that President Obama faces more Republican opposition than President Hillary would have. And yet:

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More Democrats say GOP opposition to Hillary would have been worse than independents or Republicans do(!). When you put this same question to blacks, fully 32 percent think Republican opposition to Hillary would have been less than it is to Obama, among the highest numbers for any subsample but still a small minority compared to those who think Republican opposition to her would have been the same or worse. Maybe that shows that Democrats aren’t as comfortable with the “racist Republican” meme as liberal media is, or maybe it simply shows that lefties are already transitioning to a “Republicans are sexist” narrative ahead of 2016 as an all-purpose explanation for why the GOP will oppose President Hillary too. Two years of “war on women” rhetoric may be paying yet another dividend.

Via the Free Beacon, and in honor of YouGov’s findings, MSNBC would like you to know that the GOP is guilty of delegitimizing this president and unprecedented obstruction.


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Most Americans, and most Democrats, do not wish Hillary had won in 2008

Love the distinction inherent in this headline. :)

thatsafactjack on August 21, 2014 at 7:24 PM

Hillary! is nothing more than King Barack v2.0.

Same arrogance. Same level of “accomplishments”. Same liberal ‘know it all’ STUPIDITY!

GarandFan on August 21, 2014 at 7:24 PM

I still wish JM and SP had won.

CW on August 21, 2014 at 7:26 PM

Hindsight is wonderful.

Knowing what we know now, in 2008, would you have voted for :

A. Barrack Obama
B. Hillary Clinton
C. John McCain
D. A doornob

MichaelGabriel on August 21, 2014 at 7:27 PM

OT, but that “pathologist” that Mike Brown’s family hired to assist Dr. Baden with the private autopsy?

Not a licensed pathologist and not a doctor- just a huckster.

Yeah, that “back-to-front” head shot nonsense came from this guy.

Dolce Far Niente on August 21, 2014 at 7:37 PM

MichaelGabriel on August 21, 2014 at 7:27 PM

However anyone voted, we elected the doorknob.

de rigueur on August 21, 2014 at 7:38 PM

Hillary! is nothing more than King Barack v2.0.

Same arrogance. Same level of “accomplishments”. Same liberal ‘know it all’ STUPIDITY!

GarandFan on August 21, 2014 at 7:24 PM

Yep, and same nonsense propaganda about how brilliant they are. Remember the Hillary narrative, -”the smartest woman in the World”?

slickwillie2001 on August 21, 2014 at 7:40 PM

MichaelGabriel on August 21, 2014 at 7:27 PM

I voted for Sarah Palin …

ShainS on August 21, 2014 at 7:44 PM

Hindsight is wonderful.

Knowing what we know now, in 2008, would you have voted for :

A. Barrack Obama
B. Hillary Clinton
C. John McCain
D. A doornob

MichaelGabriel on August 21, 2014 at 7:27 PM

I wasn’t old enough to vote in ’08, but I would have voted for Palin. I doubt McCain would have lasted very long with the level of stress that comes with being president, as cruel as that may sound to some people. Though I wasn’t hoping/wishing he’d die in office, just that if I voted, it would have been for Palin/McCain and not McCain/Palin.

The doorknob doesn’t seem too bad, otherwise.

Aizen on August 21, 2014 at 7:48 PM

Remember in 1992, with Bill and Hill we get “two policy experts for the price of one.” With Hillary, this time it would be true squared, or cubed. Bill can’t wait.

RBMN on August 21, 2014 at 7:49 PM

It’s an article of faith within lefty media racism helps drive the GOP’s staunch opposition to Obama. If you believe that then, I would think, you’d also believe that President Obama faces more Republican opposition than President Hillary would have.

No silly. The GOP will heap shyte on Killary because #waronwomen. Duh. /

rcpjr on August 21, 2014 at 7:50 PM

I’m not sure. All three were terrible for our country. I think McCain would have been the worst because he would have done everything Obama did but with DIABLO assistance. We would have owned the crap sandwiches that democrats could run on for the next 25 years.

Now Hillary probably would have gotten a few DIABLOS to support the crap sandwiches. BJ would have seen to that. So more damage to the nation.

Obama, while terrible I think has actually done the least damage because of his “I won” attitude and that he and his team are not terribly smart or experienced.

It was and is the American population and the leftist control of 98% of the media, news(?) and entertainment. The problem is not Obama, Cankles, or McRino. The problem is a point in time where those are our choices. A public that is so stupid to be manipulated into those three terrible candidates. I mean would you hire any of them to run your company? I know I wouldn’t.

jukin3 on August 21, 2014 at 7:51 PM

I’d like to see how a “Neither” selection would have done in this poll. I suspect Hillary’s positives are not what she would like us to think. I’d also like to see how Romney would have done in ’08 retrospectively.

paul1149 on August 21, 2014 at 8:06 PM

I wish that killary had accidentally put a contract on herself back in Arkansas instead of the dozens of people she had eradicated because they were inconvenient to her and her husband climbing the political ladder.

Diluculo on August 21, 2014 at 8:07 PM

It’s an article of faith within lefty media racism helps drive the GOP’s staunch opposition to Obama.

Not difficult to believe at all, rather than Racism they’d be opposing due to Sexism. Besides, if you’re a Lefty then you only feel things during the moment – it’s too confusing to them to present them with alternate scenarios.

Ukiah on August 21, 2014 at 8:12 PM

Didn’t Ned or lib or one of the other psychotics tell us the Hildabeast was going to bury all comers?

formwiz on August 21, 2014 at 8:16 PM

I still wish JM and SP had won.

CW on August 21, 2014 at 7:26 PM

As do I. Joe Montana would have been a great President.

Gingotts on August 21, 2014 at 8:22 PM

The “choice” between Hillary! and The One boiled down to,

Do you prefer your anti-Western civilization guru wannabee to be ‘just’ narcissistic and delusional, or totally batsh!t f**king insane?

I suspect a lot of people voted for The One in the Dem primaries because they were genuinely frightened of Ms. Let’s-Nuke-Israel-Right-Now.

I suspect that in the Oval Office, she would be Cruella DeVille With The Football. She might nuke Lompoc, CA just because the salad at the local eatery had a stray crouton in it.

I would expect that ISIS, etc., would be ecstatic at a Hillary! Presidency. She would vaporize a lot of people they don’t like, and then expect them to worship her for doing so.

Instead, they would be able to get IPhone pictures of the look on her face when she got their congratulatory text message;

YOU’RE NEXT.

Deer caught in the headlights, concussed bee, or pithed hamster?

You tell me.

clear ether

eon

eon on August 21, 2014 at 8:26 PM

The doorknob doesn’t seem too bad, otherwise.

Aizen on August 21, 2014 at 7:48 PM

No McCain would be better than a door knob. He is strange but door knobs are twisted and will turn on you.

KW64 on August 21, 2014 at 8:37 PM

Somebody shopped Hillary’s face .

Lucano on August 21, 2014 at 8:42 PM

Proud to be a part of the delegitimizing GOP

BettyRuth on August 21, 2014 at 8:44 PM

I voted for Sarah Palin …

ShainS on August 21, 2014 at 7:44 PM

Millions of us did. And I usually get in the face of anyone calling her stupid in light of everything that’s wrong today. Cold hard reality invariably shuts them up.

Judge_Dredd on August 21, 2014 at 8:55 PM

No McCain would be better than a door knob. He is strange but door knobs are twisted and will turn on you.

KW64 on August 21, 2014 at 8:37 PM

At least doorknobs stay on one side of the door. ;)

Aizen on August 21, 2014 at 9:01 PM

as her image morphs from statesman to candidate.

Statesman? When has she ever been considered a statesman?

Vince on August 21, 2014 at 9:27 PM

These polls usually are pretty useless given the universe USA polls in. Expect in one critical area, the trend line. Overall, the internals are garbage due to pollster bias. But the poll can show an overall direction regardless of how the data is shown. So, when Allah or Ed, run a post pegged on polls. Read (or skim) the post, but look at the overall direction of the survey. That will tell you everything you need to know.

flackcatcher on August 21, 2014 at 9:50 PM

I wasn’t old enough to vote in ’08, but I would have voted for Palin. I doubt McCain would have lasted very long with the level of stress that comes with being president, as cruel as that may sound to some people. Though I wasn’t hoping/wishing he’d die in office, just that if I voted, it would have been for Palin/McCain and not McCain/Palin.

The doorknob doesn’t seem too bad, otherwise.

Aizen on August 21, 2014 at 7:48 PM

Many of us voted for McCain in the hope he’d perish and Palin would become President and we don’t apologize for our disgust with McCain. If McCain had picked anyone else as his running mate, he probably would have lost with the biggest margin in Republican history to date (that means including Romney.)

UnstChem on August 21, 2014 at 10:25 PM

Saw Romney and Ryan, who’s written a book imagine that, on Kelly’s show last night. She told them how presidential they looked and right after that the name of a bar in Chicago where they could sample an awesome drink. Doesn’t she know that Mormons don’t drink? Awkward.

Kissmygrits on August 22, 2014 at 9:40 AM

Knowing what we know now, in 2008, would you have voted for :

A. Barrack Obama
B. Hillary Clinton
C. John McCain
D. A doornob

MichaelGabriel on August 21, 2014 at 7:27 PM

Dang – now that is one really harsh slap in the face from reality.

I’ll have to go for door number D Bob….
Let’s see what the doorknob can do.

dentarthurdent on August 22, 2014 at 1:39 PM