Dems fret that ISIS will force America to return to Iraq

posted at 12:41 pm on August 21, 2014 by Noah Rothman

The announcement by American officials that a raid into Syria aimed at liberating Americans in ISIS custody, including one who was later beheaded on camera by Islamic State terrorists, failed to achieve its objectives is dispiriting. While the American air campaign over Iraq appears to be successfully rolling back ISIS in Iraq, the U.S. lacks a comprehensive strategy to deal with the group in Iraq’s Sunni regions or in their Syrian stronghold. Moreover, some Democrats are now openly fretting that the latest escalation of tensions between ISIS and America will goad the U.S. into a new ground war in Iraq.

On Fox News Channel’s Special Report on Wednesday, The Washington Post opinion columnist Charles Lane spelled out the fears of some about what a true commitment to defeating the Islamic State would mean.

“What are we prepared to do once the airstrikes start yielding diminishing returns, as they inevitably will?” he asked. “It seems like the plan is to arm and support Kurds and the renovated Iraqi army on the ground, but, you know, that – it is a big ‘if’ that those guys have the muscle to really destroy this Islamic state.”

While Lane conceded that ISIS is a threat to civilization itself and must be destroyed, he seemed concerned that this noble objective could be accomplished via air power alone. Left unspoken was the unthinkable: The force that would defeat ISIS.

The columnist noted earlier that a truly effective strategy would likely require a more robust campaign and the approval of Congress, a concern that House Intelligence Committee member Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA) shares.

The California congressman recently said that what is occurring in Iraq “certainly looks like a war” and the president would be on “more constitutionally sound” ground to execute the mission in Iraq if he sought congressional approval for it.

In an appearance on CNN, however, Schiff warned that a campaign to eliminate ISIS could mean sending Americans back into Iraq – an eventuality he does not welcome.

“I think we have to be very careful,” he told CNN’s Kate Bolduan, “not to be sucked into another military occupation in Iraq.”

Asked if the slaughter of an American on camera changed his opinion on how the U.S. should approach the threat posed by the Islamic State, Schiff said that it had not.

“I think we had to know that when we get involved with airstrikes that ISIS is going to strike back at us in any way they can,” Schiff said. “Certainly, with anybody they hold, but they’re also going to try to attack us on the homeland. But the fact is, they’re going to try to do that anyway.”

Somewhat inexplicably, Schiff insisted that the Islamic State would like nothing more than to see the reintroduction of American ground troops into Iraq. It is theoretically possible that these militants would appreciate an environment rich with American targets, but U.S. forces are on the ground in Iraq. And the Islamic State would soon learn in the wake of a new influx of U.S. troops that they should have been more careful about what they wished for.

Finally, Schiff echoed Lane’s concerns about the air campaign which will eventually lose the efficacy it presently enjoys in dislodging ISIS from its positions on the fringes of the Iraqi territory it controls. That suggests that America’s policy toward the Islamic State should change, but it will not due to domestic political considerations.

The White House agrees that James Foley’s massacre will not force America to combat ISIS in a comprehensive fashion. When asked by an AP reporter on Wednesday if the murder had changed the equation for the United States, Vice President Joe Biden said that it had not.

Even The Washington Post’s editorial board, an influential group though slightly more hawkish than the average major urban newspaper, has noticed that America lacks a strategic approach to the ISIS threat and it needs to craft one immediately.

One would hope that a brazen attack on an American citizen like what occurred recently in Iraq would be answered with a disproportionate display of force from the American government. That response may not be forthcoming.


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rogerb on August 21, 2014 at 12:42 PM

Oh, no! And no Bush to hang it on when they turn it to sh-t.

CurtZHP on August 21, 2014 at 12:44 PM

5 years ago if a person said Obama would push policies that would enable the creation of and Islamic Caliphate in the Heart of the MIddle East you would have been called a crackpot fringe extremist .

rob verdi on August 21, 2014 at 12:45 PM

Kobe Bryant?

ShainS on August 21, 2014 at 12:45 PM

BTW, I’m relieved they don’t have to say “Al Qaeda”. That would be embarrassing, wouldn’t it?

rogerb on August 21, 2014 at 12:45 PM

Kill them, keep on killing them until you’ve killed the last one, then kill his pet goat.

Lt. Col. Ralph Peters

Athos on August 21, 2014 at 12:45 PM

Yeah, because “bombing the Muzzies back to the stone age” has helped moderate Islam soooooooooo much.

corona79 on August 21, 2014 at 12:46 PM

Leftists are such fools.

They deserve their golfer in chief. So does the world.

Heads will be cut off. It’s the only thing which will wake them up. I’ve been typing it for months and here it is.

Mark it – there are ISIS in the USA, via the open borders. It’s all conflated, and all on obama, the golfer.

Schadenfreude on August 21, 2014 at 12:48 PM

I read it over and over again on this site… we should have just bombed the crap out of them and gone home. Well? What’s the problem? Now I’m reading that might not work. Maybe other people knew that in 2003 too.

rhombus on August 21, 2014 at 12:49 PM

Screw Iraq.
Tired of hearing about that hell hole since 2003.
Keep golfing Mr. President.
Hater gonna hate.

Ned Pepper on August 11, 2014 at 4:20 PM

Schadenfreude on August 21, 2014 at 12:49 PM

Thank you, President Obama!

Ned Pepper on August 11, 2014 at 3:47 PM

Actually Obama’s azz is a pretty safe place to be.

Ned Pepper on August 11, 2014 at 4:36 PM

Schadenfreude on August 21, 2014 at 12:50 PM

Why doesn’t obama and the left give a damn about the polls on obama’care’ but they care what they are on ISIS?

Nov. will be a riot.

Schadenfreude on August 21, 2014 at 12:51 PM

Up the Drove budget Mr President – bomb and contain to the stone age.

jake-the-goose on August 21, 2014 at 12:51 PM

Yeah, because “bombing the Muzzies back to the stone age” has helped moderate Islam soooooooooo much.

corona79 on August 21, 2014 at 12:46 PM

Meaningless comment. non sequitur.

Mimzey on August 21, 2014 at 12:51 PM

I personally that think going into Iraq was a terrible decision that had — and will continue to have long-lasting repercussions (via leaving an open-ended “vacuum” of radical Islam) — but that’s not the issue here.

The fact is, pulling out of Iraq how and when we did was a horrible choice to make at the time and Obama deserves 100% of the blame for what’s occurring in the present. Leftists want to go back and blame Bush for everything because “he started it,” but they’re living in the past and behaving like schoolyard kindergarteners.

ISIS is a cancer that will gradually metastasize until they are put down permanently, and there’s no getting around that. Obama can whine and shrug off his duties all he wants, but passing the buck won’t deter evil and it won’t prevent the deaths of innocents.

The ball’s in your court, The Won.

Aizen on August 21, 2014 at 12:51 PM

Up the Drove budget Mr President – bomb and contain to the stone age.

jake-the-goose on August 21, 2014 at 12:51 PM

Up the Drone budget Mr President – bomb and contain to the stone age.

jake-the-goose on August 21, 2014 at 12:51 PM

Dems fret that ISIS will force America to return to Iraq

The “Dems” better start fretting about what ISIS will do if it is not challenged in Iraq……

redguy on August 21, 2014 at 12:52 PM

The California congressman recently said that what is occurring in Iraq “certainly looks like a war” and the president would be on “more constitutionally sound” ground to execute the mission in Iraq if he sought congressional approval for it.

Since when has this president given a rip about the Constitution?

rbj on August 21, 2014 at 12:54 PM

Going back, but keeping the same ROI’s would be a waste. Either go there to devastate them, brutally kill (as opposed to nicely kill) every last one of them destroy everything that gives them spiritual strength and purpose or stay home.

Mimzey on August 21, 2014 at 12:55 PM

I’m curious, what kind of event would it take for democrats to want to put boots on the ground? I’m not sure there is one.

Capitalist Infidel on August 21, 2014 at 12:56 PM

Since when has this president given a rip about the Constitution?

rbj on August 21, 2014 at 12:54 PM

When he can use it to blame Congress or force them to “share” in the responsibility/failure of his actions.

Aizen on August 21, 2014 at 12:56 PM

Glad to see the democrats are more concerned about their electoral fortunes and optics versus the welfare and safety of the American public.

..americans died.

and are still dying.

disgusting, craven, political schmucks.

everdiso on August 19, 2014 at 4:46 PM

HumpBot Salvation on August 21, 2014 at 12:56 PM

Not tingles…..

cmsinaz on August 21, 2014 at 12:56 PM

Slaughtering little brown people who are only fighting for their rights is allowed as long as the killing is ordered by a Nobel Peace Prize winner.

Bishop on August 21, 2014 at 12:58 PM

We must protect moderate Muslims from this vile group. Arm the Kurds? They will only create a protected keep out zone in their area. But do it.

jake49 on August 21, 2014 at 12:58 PM

“And do not suppose that this is the end. This is only the beginning of the reckoning. This is only the first sip, the first foretaste of a bitter cup which will be proffered to us year by year unless by a supreme recovery of moral health and martial vigour, we arise again and take our stand for freedom as in the olden time.”

Viator on August 21, 2014 at 12:59 PM

Are the Dems really fretting about a return to Iraq, or being placed in a position where they have to use military force to defeat a group that hates the US just a tad more than most Democrats do?

The current Democrats would probably respond the December 1941 declaration of war by Germany by spending a few months thinking if it was really in their best interests to return the declaration of war…. particularly since Germany had captured pretty much all of Europe and was on the outskirts of Moscow at the time. After all, there was still an entire ocean between Germany and the US….

Athos on August 21, 2014 at 12:59 PM

Why don’t the democrats get planned parenthood to open some abortion centers over there. Maybe they can abort them into the stone age. democrats are good at killing babies, not so good with the isis. democrats are a clusterfark….

crosshugger on August 21, 2014 at 1:00 PM

Bush the father should have never left (I blame Powell) before the place was glass. There were thousands of ISIS running with their hands up under the American airplanes.

Schwarzkopf was perfect for the job.

Schadenfreude on August 21, 2014 at 1:03 PM

Destroying ISIS terrorists in Iraq is not enough, it must be done in Syria even more so because that is where ISIS is the strongest… Eastern/North Eastern Syria is their headquarters and their main force of manpower and weapons… It is their when they need to be defeated and annihilated…

mnjg on August 21, 2014 at 1:04 PM

Your enemies are in DC too.

Schadenfreude on August 21, 2014 at 1:05 PM

Schadenfreude on August 21, 2014 at 12:50 PM

You are a treasure Sir.

JusDreamin on August 21, 2014 at 1:07 PM

Mark it – there are ISIS in the USA, via the open borders. It’s all conflated, and all on obama, the golfer.
Schadenfreude on August 21, 2014 at 12:48 PM

I don’t think they are here via the border. Only because the Mexican cartels are way too smart to allow terrorists to cross the border. If any terrorists or terror act can be placed on the open border, we would finally close it down. The would really hurt the cartels.

So we are in a situation where we are depending on the Mexican gangs to protect our borders!

Bill-Republic of Texas on August 21, 2014 at 1:07 PM

Goof in Chief

Schadenfreude on August 21, 2014 at 1:12 PM

Dems fret that ISIS will force America to return to Iraq

Two points.

There is no coincidence that the raid into Syria was disclosed last night on the heels of criticism for the administration’s handling of ISIS. It is a blatant partisan tactic to quell accusations that the administration isn’t doing anything.

Secondly, Dems don’t have to fret. Forget about a return to Iraq. ISIS is coming to America thanks to the filthy lazy stupid rat-eared wonder, Killary, and Kerry.

Happy Nomad on August 21, 2014 at 1:14 PM

It is theoretically possible that these militants would appreciate an environment rich with American targets,

Yeah, like within our borders.

As we reported last week, a local news station found Border Patrol documents that indicated that thousands of OTMs — “Other Than Mexicans” — have been caught crossing the Mexican border into the U.S., including some known terrorists.

But since that report, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has DENIED that there is any “credible evidence” that any terrorists have crossed over.

So the reporter took another look — and the evidence he found is even worse than originally revealed.

He found that 300 terrorists from the Somali Al Qaeda group Al-Shabaab — the group behind the terror attack at the Kenyan shopping mall last September – have entered the U.S. and are unaccounted for.

Read more at http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/02/dhs-denies-muslim-terrorists-crossing-us-mexican-border-local-reporter-finds-evidence-contrary/#fSxWqcDgQwVdlclX.99

Urdu-to-English dictionary found on ranchers land

An Urdu-to-English dictionary was not something Mike Vickers expected to find on the rocky earth underneath the cattle fencing around his 1,000-acre Texas ranch.

..

While local ranchers have to contend with torn-up fences, broken water lines, contaminated wells and robbery on a daily basis from illegal immigrants streaming through, a Texas Border Patrol agent told TheBlaze there is “no doubt” that among the hordes of Central Americans are also crossers from Pakistan and Afghanistan, raising significant national security concerns.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/07/14/urdu-dictionary-found-on-texas-ranch-near-border-we-just-dont-know-whos-here-already/#

Patriot Vet on August 21, 2014 at 1:15 PM

Maybe if a Gay Black Transgender Bi-Woman (who needs an abortion) reporter got beheaded there would be some action. White guys eh not so much.

Sven on August 21, 2014 at 1:15 PM

I thought that Odumbo was going to sprinkle his charm all over the world and everything would be fine.

rjoco1 on August 21, 2014 at 1:16 PM

Not a problem. Stall for a couple of weeks and the whole thing’ll blow over.

PersonFromPorlock on August 21, 2014 at 1:16 PM

Schwarzkopf was perfect for the job.

Schadenfreude on August 21, 2014 at 1:03 PM

I doubt Storman Norman would have survived this administrations purging of qualified field commanders, much less be Commander of Coalition Forces.

RIP General. You may very well be the last of your kind….

Renee on August 21, 2014 at 1:17 PM

Dems fret that ISIS will force America to return to Iraq

Well sure, that makes sense.

What worries Dems the most?

1) Genocide of minority populations.
2) Terrorists gaining control of a country as a power base for future attacks.
3) Destruction, Civil War, and anarchy in an allied state.
4) A government we supported having issues.
5) Political hardship and a possible loss of votes for Democrats?

Given the parts they’re worried about, and how they’re worried… #5 is the only possible answer. That must clearly be MUCH More problematic than any of the other four.

gekkobear on August 21, 2014 at 1:17 PM

“What are we prepared to do once the airstrikes start yielding diminishing returns, as they inevitably will?” he asked. “It seems like the plan is to arm and support Kurds and the renovated Iraqi army on the ground, but, you know, that – it is a big ‘if’ that those guys have the muscle to really destroy this Islamic state.”

At the very least, we should arm the Kurds, who are the only fighting force in Iraq friendly to the United States, willing to fight to keep ISIS out of Baghdad, as well as their own territory.

Obama will probably never send American ground troops back to Iraq, regardless of the pressure from ISIS. He based his entire campaign for President on bashing George W. Bush and a “Cut-and-Run” from Iraq, so sending more troops into Iraq to fight ISIS would be a tacit admission that Bush was right, which Egobama could never tolerate.

Steve Z on August 21, 2014 at 1:18 PM

JusDreamin, jus for you :)

About the only even slightly tenuous link the muzzies have to “building the fabric of our nation” was the good practice the U.S. Marine Corps got when Jefferson sent them to fight the Barbary Pirates in 1801.

And the only thing muzzies know about democracy is when some gather together and take a vote on whether they will attack Jews or Christians that day.

Schadenfreude on August 21, 2014 at 1:20 PM

appears to be successfully rolling back ISIS in Iraq

Noah, I don’t know what to say here. I’m flabbergasted.

What’s happened to Hot Air?

faraway on August 21, 2014 at 1:26 PM

The mission after the surge could have been one similar to after WWII for the next five years. Germany still had sabotage going on by Nazi sympathizers and someone needed to keep the peace.

If we would have stayed engaged instead of walking away, we could have controlled our own destiny in Iraq.

No longer.

Our mission is being reactive, not proactive.

Two things will happen, either Iraq will collapse as a country because we aren’t going to be there to support it, or we will be back in and our soldiers will be working with a dangerous disadvantage.

It’s the Vietnam lesson being revisited.

itsspideyman on August 21, 2014 at 1:28 PM

You don’t take ground or push people back with aircraft.

This is a case of ‘shit or get off of the pot’. If you don’t recall Europe, 1938…..go get yourself educated. Pay now, or pay later.

Democrats are too busy shitting their pants at the moment to realize this.

GarandFan on August 21, 2014 at 1:28 PM

So we are in a situation where we are depending on the Mexican gangs to protect our borders!

Bill-Republic of Texas on August 21, 2014 at 1:07 PM

They are united.

Schadenfreude on August 21, 2014 at 1:39 PM

You don’t take ground or push people back with aircraft.

This is a case of ‘shit or get off of the pot’. If you don’t recall Europe, 1938…..go get yourself educated. Pay now, or pay later.

Democrats are too busy shitting their pants at the moment to realize this.

GarandFan on August 21, 2014 at 1:28 PM

I guess you missed the first Gulf war! B-52s caused Iraqis to surrender in droves. 39 day air campaign and 100 hours ground. It was just a mop up operation. Allied Force was similar except they surrendered with no boots on the ground.

Sven on August 21, 2014 at 1:52 PM

My ultimate goal would be to have nutjob fighting nutjob. Bomb ISIS enough to weaken them to the point where Iran finishes the job. Let the Sunnis and Shia kill each other.

307wolverine on August 21, 2014 at 2:04 PM

Waiting for Shotgun Joe to start asking what’s our exit strategy.

Problem is, the last war the Demos wanted to win was The War To Save Communism in the early 40s.

These idiots actually think if they bow low enough and Muzzlim instead of Moslem, they’ll be spared.

It’s going to take some dead Congressmen and Senators to wake them up.

And a few more journolists.

formwiz on August 21, 2014 at 2:22 PM

s/b say Muzzlim

formwiz on August 21, 2014 at 2:23 PM

I guess you missed the first Gulf war! B-52s caused Iraqis to surrender in droves.
Sven on August 21, 2014 at 1:52 PM

Uh, ISIS has also caused the Iraquis to surrender in droves, and without the use of B-52s and in spite of being grossly outnumbered.

You could ask the Marines who took islands in the Pacific in WW2 which had been shelled until not a blade of grass stood above ground- how well that bombardment worked on fanatical Japanese who were dug in.

Dolce Far Niente on August 21, 2014 at 2:32 PM

Uh, ISIS has also caused the Iraquis to surrender in droves, and without the use of B-52s and in spite of being grossly outnumbered.

You could ask the Marines who took islands in the Pacific in WW2 which had been shelled until not a blade of grass stood above ground- how well that bombardment worked on fanatical Japanese who were dug in.

Dolce Far Niente on August 21, 2014 at 2:32 PM

Airpower has changed a little since WWII.

Sven on August 21, 2014 at 2:37 PM

The Dems have more blood on their hands, that continues, than the 2003 invasion. They inherited a nation politically struggling to unify and pulled out all support for political optics. If the USA has to pay in lives to take back Iraq from Barack’s ISIS bro’s, he owns it for all of history to proclaim.

Hening on August 21, 2014 at 2:39 PM

While Lane conceded that ISIS is a threat to civilization itself and must be destroyed…

Presumably this would mean also destroying the millions of civilian Muslims throughout the Middle East who support ISIS and would, if it were destroyed, gather their sons together and go off to fight in their stead while their womenfolk ululated in the streets and knit dynamite pulse-warmers for their God-fearing Soldier Boys.

jbspry on August 21, 2014 at 3:10 PM

On a positive note….God bless Poland and the Poles. They are back in Iraq delivering aid to Kurds and Yezidis. Also setting up bi-lateral relationship with the Kurds.

https://medium.com/war-is-boring/poland-is-back-in-iraq-e11ea63cb92f

They truly deserve a better ally that the feckless Obama lead United States.

Only 882 days….

abnormal_1 on August 21, 2014 at 3:23 PM

John Kerry warned that anyone stuck in Iraq either hadn’t studied or was stupid.

John Kerry is stuck in Iraq.

And, now, so are the Democrats. It will be interesting to see which they claim: stupidity or ignorance.

ajacksonian on August 21, 2014 at 3:26 PM

You could ask the Marines who took islands in the Pacific in WW2 which had been shelled until not a blade of grass stood above ground- how well that bombardment worked on fanatical Japanese who were dug in.

Dolce Far Niente on August 21, 2014 at 2:32 PM

Airpower has changed a little since WWII.

Sven on August 21, 2014 at 2:37 PM

Yeah, but it still takes boots on the ground.

formwiz on August 21, 2014 at 4:36 PM