Police sources to NYT: Witnesses, forensics prove Wilson sustained an injury during his confrontation with Michael Brown

posted at 11:21 am on August 20, 2014 by Allahpundit

Kind of an important detail, yet buried 21 paragraphs deep. They’re not as specific as Jim Hoft was yesterday in alleging that Wilson’s eye was busted — the type of injury is unspecified here — but this is the first evidence I know of reported in a major paper that Brown might have been physically aggressive towards Wilson.

Er, why didn’t the Times think to ask its sources, “What kind of injury?” Or did they and received a “no comment” in reply? Police might want to keep that detail a secret to see if witnesses will independently corroborate it. I.e. if it’s his eye and a witness claims he saw Brown punch Wilson in the face, they know that witness is likely credible.

However, law enforcement officials say witnesses and forensic analysis have shown that Officer Wilson did sustain an injury during the struggle in the car…

“It was something strange,” said [eyewitness Michael] Brady, 32, a janitor. “Something was not right. It was some kind of altercation. I can’t say whether he was punching the officer or whatever. But something was going on in that window, and it didn’t look right.”…

According to his account to the Ferguson police, Officer Wilson said that Mr. Brown had lowered his arms and moved toward him, law enforcement officials said. Fearing that the teenager was going to attack him, the officer decided to use deadly force. Some witnesses have backed up that account. Others, however — including [Brown's friend Dorian] Johnson — have said that Mr. Brown did not move toward the officer before the final shots were fired…

The F.B.I., Mr. Bosley said, pressed Mr. Johnson to say how high Mr. Brown’s hands were. Mr. Johnson said that his hands were not that high, and that one was lower than the other, because he appeared to be “favoring it,” the lawyer said.

Brady says he’s been interviewed by local police but not by the FBI yet. Huh. The Times also stresses that several witnesses say that when Brown stopped running from Wilson and turned back to face him, he did put his hands up. Whether he then lowered them and advanced on Wilson, as Wilson claims, or stayed put in surrender mode is in dispute.

Another interesting tidbit from the Times: Supposedly “many” witnesses have told cops that Wilson’s gun went off while he was still in the car arguing with Brown, which apparently caused Brown to start running. Why the gun went off will be a hot topic at trial, needless to say. It’s possible, I guess, that Wilson fired it deliberately, to intimidate Brown, but … why on earth would he do that? There are lots of ways a cop can intimidate you without blowing a hole in his own squad car or risking a ricochet. It’s more likely that the gun went off accidentally. How come? Did Brown grab for it when Wilson had it holstered? Or did Wilson have the gun out to intimidate Brown when it went off, either through Wilson’s own carelessness or because Brown grabbed at it himself? The defense is going to argue that Wilson’s fear of death or severe bodily harm was reasonable; it’s hard to make that argument based on Brown’s size alone given that Wilson was armed and Brown wasn’t, but if they can show that Brown had already tried to take a deadly weapon from Wilson and obviously had the strength to succeed on a second attempt, the argument is easier. And if they can show on top of that that Brown had already evinced an intent to harm Wilson by injuring him somehow, it’s easier still. Kind of a big deal here. Why’d it take 21 paragraphs to get to it?


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Oh you had this all figured out 11 days ago, huh?
You are certain now that the police officer’s ‘skull was fractured’ – and in fact you knew that 11 days ago.
If only you would’ve come forward August 9th with all of this.

Despite the entertainment of entertaining theories, Allah along with Ed etc. here have done a fair job of not convicting anyone or treating tidbits culled from unnamed sources as facts.

verbaluce on August 20, 2014 at 11:43 AM

The robbery video has been out for days, the injury report for days (although I think the scans and orbital fracture just came out yesterday), the tox report for a while, Wilson’s sotry since Friday, and yet, yesterday, Allah race panderer was demanding Wilson be charged, just debating whether it should be first degree murder or not. And he has yet to come out and say there is significant evidence to make it look as though Brown was the aggressor, not the victim.

If his reportage had been even close to unbiased, I wouldn’t be hassling him, but it hasn’t. He has convicted Wilson on the basis of popular opinion and has been advocating for his arrest and trial without even a pretence at an objective assessment of available information.

Shameless.

talkingpoints on August 20, 2014 at 11:56 AM

One of the bullets went through Brown’s arm and into his chest. That doesn’t sound like he had his arms up. And if the officer was blinded in one eye, especially if it was his dominant eye, that explains pretty well why he was hitting arm, and not torso.

RBMN on August 20, 2014 at 11:30 AM

Yep. The officer wasn’t sure which Big Mike to shoot at.

slickwillie2001 on August 20, 2014 at 11:56 AM

Teenagers, according to that paragon of journalistic prose, Associated Press, is normally reserved for 13-17 years old. 18 is normally called a man or woman.

charles.browning on August 20, 2014 at 11:49 AM

Would you like to show me that AP Style Guide rule?

Walter L. Newton on August 20, 2014 at 11:57 AM

Clearly the tricky, sneaky officer fractured his own orbit just to make it look like he was attacked.
In the midst of the altercation, that did not happen.
In which the angelic young man, perhaps trying to convince the officer to accept Jesus as his personal Savior, was needlessly killed.

orangemtl on August 20, 2014 at 11:57 AM

Rovin on August 20, 2014 at 11:54 AM

This is not the truth they are looking for.

Cindy Munford on August 20, 2014 at 11:58 AM

The Times also stresses that several witnesses say that when Brown stopped running from Wilson and turned back to face him, he did put his hands up

Has anyone asked about the 4 shots in the front of his arm … isn’t that inconsistent with having your hands up? Or am I, like everyone else, chewing more than I’m biting off.

LashRambo on August 20, 2014 at 11:58 AM

Oh and the autopsy which showed Brown was shot from the front and did not have his hands up has been out for days.

talkingpoints on August 20, 2014 at 11:58 AM

So predictable conservatives will take the cops side when a black guy is involved. However when a white guy is harassed by the law, they scream police state.

And they wonder why blacks will forever brand them anti minority/racists.

farleftprogressive on August 20, 2014 at 11:58 AM

I love all the wild speculation as to why he went back to DC in the first place. Milia probably went to a friends birthday party.

Cindy Munford on August 20, 2014 at 11:56 AM

Jim Geraghty reported that Obama went back to attend an engagement party.

Washington Nearsider on August 20, 2014 at 11:59 AM

Holder is going to tell the so called “community leaders” that if the state doesn’t indict this poor guy, the feds will.

Blake on August 20, 2014 at 11:59 AM

Would you like to show me that AP Style Guide rule?

Walter L. Newton on August 20, 2014 at 11:57 AM

Hotair did a story on it yesterday or the day before. It’s a stupid rule, but if it is their rule they should follow it.

talkingpoints on August 20, 2014 at 11:59 AM

OT
Dear leader to speak at 12:45

Which means sometime after 1

cmsinaz on August 20, 2014 at 11:46 AM

If I had a son, he’d be half the size of Michael Brown; and he’d wear mom jeans, throw like a girl, and probably steal cigarillos to use while smoking hooch with his own Choom Gang.

BuckeyeSam on August 20, 2014 at 12:00 PM

They are saying that Dorian Johnson is changing his story.. He now says that Brown attacked the cop:

http://therightscoop.com/report-key-witness-dorian-johnson-now-admits-that-michael-brown-attacked-officer-wilson/

melle1228 on August 20, 2014 at 11:50 AM

Johnson is an accessory to a crime committed minutes before the shooting. He’s not now nor ever will be a credible witness.

Rocks on August 20, 2014 at 12:00 PM

A local radio station here is saying that a national media source of theirs is saying Dorian Johnson finally admitted that Brown did in fact attack the officer and that no charges will be filed.

MobileVideoEngineer on August 20, 2014 at 11:24 AM

Um…. yeah. That isn’t going to happen. The lynch mob would go nuts if somebody doesn’t get charged with something.

Happy Nomad on August 20, 2014 at 12:00 PM

cozmo on August 20, 2014 at 11:55 AM

You are too sweet. Not a cupcake, you understand but very sweet.

Cindy Munford on August 20, 2014 at 12:01 PM

It’s possible, I guess, that Wilson fired it deliberately, to intimidate Brown

no its not.
good way to set the vehicle on fire (fuel and brake lines on left side iirc) and with the asphalt being only 2+ feet away good way to ricochet.

dmacleo on August 20, 2014 at 11:48 AM

Possibly the dumbest thing Allah has ever said.

slickwillie2001 on August 20, 2014 at 12:01 PM

Cindy Munford on August 20, 2014 at 11:49 AM

There you go again.

Injecting common sense into what is obviously rampant speculation designed to get people foaming at the mouth.

to steal custom wheel rims

cozmo on August 20, 2014 at 11:53 AM

ToddPA on August 20, 2014 at 12:01 PM

And they wonder why blacks will forever brand them anti minority/racists.

farleftprogressive on August 20, 2014 at 11:58 AM

No, cupcake. Conservatives take the side of the Constitution and the rule of law.

Washington Nearsider on August 20, 2014 at 12:02 PM

A local radio station here is saying that a national media source of theirs is saying Dorian Johnson finally admitted that Brown did in fact attack the officer and that no charges will be filed.

MobileVideoEngineer on August 20, 2014 at 11:24 AM

All this rioting and looting has happened because that little SOB told his lies first and set the narrative.

slickwillie2001 on August 20, 2014 at 12:02 PM

The lynch mob would go nuts if somebody doesn’t get charged with something.

Happy Nomad on August 20, 2014 at 12:00 PM

And that is different than the way they are acting now?

Cindy Munford on August 20, 2014 at 12:01 PM

I understand. Non-cupckae, got it.

cozmo on August 20, 2014 at 12:02 PM

The defense is going to argue that Wilson’s fear of death or severe bodily harm was reasonable; it’s hard to make that argument based on Brown’s size alone given that Wilson was armed and Brown wasn’t, but if they can show that Brown had already tried to take a deadly weapon from Wilson and obviously had the strength to succeed on a second attempt, the argument is easier. And if they can show on top of that that Brown had already evinced an intent to harm Wilson by injuring him somehow, it’s easier still.
– Allah

The extreme positions taken by the more unhinged and unknowing on both sides requires believing one of two things –

1. Wilson is a cold blooded murderer who decided to empty his gun into Brown because he was pissed off

or

2. Brown violently psychotically attacked the officer simply do to his marijuana fueled rage and backed off only so that he could gain some distance to then turn around and charge the officer with the clear intent to strangle him to death.

Of course both of these scenarios are absurd. I keep getting back to the condition of Brown after being initially shot. Following the initial sudden chaos that leads the (only) weapon being fired inside the vehicle, Wilson and Brown find themselves at a considerable distance. Wilson fires at an unarmed man from that distance. I’m theorizing Brown is wounded and incoherent and Wilson is amped up and freaked out. These 2 guys briefly found themselves equally unstable, with tragic results.

verbaluce on August 20, 2014 at 12:02 PM

Johnson is an accessory to a crime committed minutes before the shooting. He’s not now nor ever will be a credible witness.

Rocks on August 20, 2014 at 12:00 PM

Yeah, but if he did in fact change his story, then it means there’s no reason to even take it to the grand jury. The Saint Louis County Prosecutor can choose to not file charges at all.

MobileVideoEngineer on August 20, 2014 at 12:03 PM

Washington Nearsider on August 20, 2014 at 11:59 AM

I’m sorry I suggested it was Milia but this makes sense, this deviation had been planned long before the current unsettling events.

Cindy Munford on August 20, 2014 at 12:03 PM

AP style guide story

faraway on August 20, 2014 at 12:03 PM

Whew! that Strike button is a little touchy!

ToddPA on August 20, 2014 at 12:03 PM

OT
Dear leader to speak at 12:45

Which means sometime after 1

cmsinaz on August 20, 2014 at 11:46 AM

We know from where?

Happy Nomad on August 20, 2014 at 12:04 PM

If the police officer was such cold blooded murderer why didn’t he kill both of the young men…he could have eliminated the witness?

d1carter on August 20, 2014 at 12:04 PM

Breaking! Report: Key Ferguson Witness Dorian Johnson Changes Story, Admits Brown Attacked Officer Wilson And Tried To Take His Gun…

Rovin on August 20, 2014 at 11:54 AM

IRRELEVANT!! Officer Wilson is GUILTY! Lynching PAARRRRRTAAAAAYYYYY!

/s

Obama’s bringing the CHOOM! Nixon brought the beer and hookers!

Holder’s handing out ‘Get out of DUI free!’ cards, signed by Nixon.

Meople on August 20, 2014 at 12:04 PM

So predictable conservatives will take the cops side when a black guy is involved. However when a white guy is harassed by the law, they scream police state.

And they wonder why blacks will forever brand them anti minority/racists.

farleftprogressive on August 20, 2014 at 11:58 AM

Cool straw man bro,

Seems like most conservatives here and elsewhere are calling for all the facts to come out and basing decisions on that.

Meanwhile, every liberal site I’ve seen and comments from the folks in Ferguson are calling for the officer to be lynched. And that started 30 minutes after the shooting before any facts came out.

And you wonder why we forever brand you as fukking morons and race baiters.

HumpBot Salvation on August 20, 2014 at 12:04 PM

I thought the Governor of Missouri said Justice should be done – he is already hoisting the rope up the tree to appease the looters…….

All the cops in Missouri should go on strike and let the Governor handle it.

redguy on August 20, 2014 at 12:05 PM

Hotair did a story on it yesterday or the day before. It’s a stupid rule, but if it is their rule they should follow it.

talkingpoints on August 20, 2014 at 11:59 AM

Hot Air was wrong.

You use “youth” for a person 13-17, “man” or “woman” for 18 and over. When you are describing the age range, “teenager” is correct for those 13-18, as it has always been.

AP Style Guide has three different ways of looking at people from 13-18, and depending on your sentence structure, you have some leeway.

“Teenager” or “Teen” is 100% proper for 13-18.

I have both the 2014 hard copy Style Guide in front of me and the WORD plug in. Both are consistent with what I wrote above.

Walter L. Newton on August 20, 2014 at 12:05 PM

Has anyone asked about the 4 shots in the front of his arm … isn’t that inconsistent with having your hands up? Or am I, like everyone else, chewing more than I’m biting off.

LashRambo on August 20, 2014 at 11:58 AM

Assuming that the officer fired all the shots within seconds, we know that one of the bullets when through Brown’s arm and into his chest. Was there time for Brown to then turn around and raise his arms above his head? Don’t think so.

RBMN on August 20, 2014 at 12:05 PM

Cindy Munford on August 20, 2014 at 12:03 PM

Oh, certainly. Obama didn’t come home to govern, he came home to party.

Washington Nearsider on August 20, 2014 at 12:05 PM

We know from where?

Happy Nomad on August 20, 2014 at 12:04 PM

9th hole beer cart?

Meople on August 20, 2014 at 12:05 PM

ToddPA on August 20, 2014 at 12:03 PM

When I’m not messing up my proofreading, I will hit that strike button.

Cindy Munford on August 20, 2014 at 12:05 PM

Washington Nearsider on August 20, 2014 at 12:05 PM

He doesn’t govern no matter where he is.

Cindy Munford on August 20, 2014 at 12:06 PM

Rovin on August 20, 2014 at 11:54 AM
This is not the truth they are looking for.

Cindy Munford on August 20, 2014 at 11:58 AM

Boy, you said a mouthful there Cindy. Once again, the lamestream media has been at the forefront of this travesty—one big mis-information at a time. Pre-judging and opinionated suppositions is their game.

Rovin on August 20, 2014 at 12:06 PM

RBMN

This is a good example on why I now practice with both eyes open when acquiring the target.

luckybogey on August 20, 2014 at 12:06 PM

Holder is going to tell the so called “community leaders” that if the state doesn’t indict this poor guy, the feds will.

Blake on August 20, 2014 at 11:59 AM

yup and I can’t wait for one of those blabbermouth “leaders” to say so…the venue for this trial if it ever comes about will have to be moved to Alaska,

gracie on August 20, 2014 at 12:07 PM

The extreme positions taken by the more unhinged and unknowing on both sides requires believing one of two things –

1. Wilson is a cold blooded murderer who decided to empty his gun into Brown because he was pissed off

or

2. Brown violently psychotically attacked the officer simply do to his marijuana fueled rage and backed off only so that he could gain some distance to then turn around and charge the officer with the clear intent to strangle him to death.

Of course both of these scenarios are absurd. I keep getting back to the condition of Brown after being initially shot. Following the initial sudden chaos that leads the (only) weapon being fired inside the vehicle, Wilson and Brown find themselves at a considerable distance. Wilson fires at an unarmed man from that distance. I’m theorizing Brown is wounded and incoherent and Wilson is amped up and freaked out. These 2 guys briefly found themselves equally unstable, with tragic results.

verbaluce on August 20, 2014 at 12:02 PM

Oh now that even more is coming out to totally shatter the narrative you decide to tone it down a little? Even with that you are an idiot that doesn’t know what he is talking about.

MobileVideoEngineer on August 20, 2014 at 12:08 PM

Oh, certainly. Obama didn’t come home to govern, he came home to party.

Washington Nearsider on August 20, 2014 at 12:05 PM

I read somewhere, can’t remember where now, that he had dinner at the home of the WH chef.

Brat on August 20, 2014 at 12:08 PM

AP style guide story

faraway on August 20, 2014 at 12:03 PM

Because Mediate is trying to make something out of nothing. If you don’t believe me, feel free to purchase an AP Style Guide yourself.

Even though my typing and sentence structure is sometimes sloppy when I am speeding along on Hot Air, my job requires me to know these rules.

“Teenager” is not inappropriate. It has the same meaning that it has always had.

Walter L. Newton on August 20, 2014 at 12:09 PM

Would you like to show me that AP Style Guide rule?

Walter L. Newton on August 20, 2014 at 11:57 AM

I’m looking at the 39th edition (2004), page 32:

boy

Applicable until 18th birthday is reached. Use man or young man afterward.

There have been updates since this edition was published. The “teenager” entry was simply to instruct not to hyphenate the term.

Good Lt on August 20, 2014 at 12:10 PM

Obama’s country club has the Arugula Lunch Special today.. ends at 1pm.

faraway on August 20, 2014 at 12:10 PM

And they wonder why blacks will forever brand them anti minority/racists.

farleftprogressive on August 20, 2014 at 11:58 AM

Yeah. I remember all the rioting by whites in Camden when Autumn Pasquale was killed by black kids. Just one story among hundreds every year. Good times. Good times…

Judge_Dredd on August 20, 2014 at 12:10 PM

Everyday young people make decisions that seem minor but manage to turn out to be the last thing they do on Earth, from texting while driving to attacking armed people. While I know that this is the very nature of youth, it is sad and happens multiple times a day all over the world. And all too often it ruins the lives of many other while ending theirs. I think some perspective is needed.

Cindy Munford on August 20, 2014 at 12:11 PM

A local radio station here is saying that a national media source of theirs is saying Dorian Johnson finally admitted that Brown did in fact attack the officer and that no charges will be filed.

MobileVideoEngineer on August 20, 2014 at 11:24 AM

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/08/19/breaking-report-dorian-johnson-recants-media-statement-tells-authorities-big-mike-did-try-for-officers-gun-acquittal-probable/

lynncgb on August 20, 2014 at 12:12 PM

Breaking! Report: Key Ferguson Witness Dorian Johnson Changes Story, Admits Brown Attacked Officer Wilson And Tried To Take His Gun…

Rovin on August 20, 2014 at 11:54 AM

If this is true, and if Officer Wilson is not charged … Get ready for nationwide riots and looting. This time around it won’t just be Ferguson, St. Louis and Oakland.

Pork-Chop on August 20, 2014 at 12:13 PM

There have been updates since this edition was published. The “teenager” entry was simply to instruct not to hyphenate the term.

Good Lt on August 20, 2014 at 12:10 PM

Right. The AP Style Guide has NO restrictions on the word “teenager” when it is properly used for a person 13-18.

The 13-17, 18 and over is for usage of the words “youth” and “man/woman.” That rule has NOTHING to do with “teenager.”

When did the definition of “teenager” change in your world?

Walter L. Newton on August 20, 2014 at 12:13 PM

Walter…

From the 2013 Style Book (which I took home by complete accident!) — under “youth:

Applicable to boys and girls from age 13 until 18th birthday. Use man or woman for individuals 18 and older.”

lizzieillinois on August 18, 2014 at 8:52 PM

faraway on August 20, 2014 at 12:13 PM

Johnson is an accessory to a crime committed minutes before the shooting. He’s not now nor ever will be a credible witness.

Rocks on August 20, 2014 at 12:00 PM

His statement is credible though because it incriminates Johnson for accomplice criminal liability for Brown’s assault of Wilson and robbery of the convenience store under the Missouri Revised Statutes:

562.041. 1. A person is criminally responsible for the conduct of another when . . .

(2) Either before or during the commission of an offense with the purpose of promoting the commission of an offense, he aids or agrees to aid or attempts to aid such other person in planning, committing or attempting to commit the offense.

blammm on August 20, 2014 at 12:13 PM

2. Brown violently psychotically attacked the officer simply do to his marijuana fueled rage and backed off only so that he could gain some distance to then turn around and charge the officer with the clear intent to strangle him to death.

verbaluce on August 20, 2014 at 12:02 PM

Do try and keep up.

If Brown turned on Wilson why he did is irrelevant. You need to read the Josie account as to why Brown fled. As she explains they fled after Wilson’s weapon accidentally discharged during a struggle over the weapon. However, based on the autopsy it is clear he turned back to face Wilson. It is also clear his hands weren’t up when shot. Your number 2 is not wild speculation, but something that is clearly plausible based on what evidence we currently have.

NotCoach on August 20, 2014 at 12:14 PM

Lib Thinking:

Re: Global Warming: “You can’t argue with Science!!”

Re: Brown Autopsy: “Ignore the Science!!”

portlandon on August 20, 2014 at 12:14 PM

Even mentioning the testimony of Brown’s partner in crime without mocking it and heaping derision upon it is journalistic malpractice. Who cares what he says? He not only has every reason to lie, he has a demonstrated propensity to commit crimes.

Immolate on August 20, 2014 at 12:14 PM

If this is true, and if Officer Wilson is not charged … Get ready for nationwide riots and looting. This time around it won’t just be Ferguson, St. Louis and Oakland.

Pork-Chop on August 20, 2014 at 12:13 PM

Why do you think law-abiding citizens have been stocking up on guns and ammo for the last 6 years? Zombies? No truly intelligent person could think the election of Obama could lead to anything else.

Judge_Dredd on August 20, 2014 at 12:15 PM

But that is how you work though. You demand instant gratification. You make me sick.

Conservative4Ever on August 20, 2014 at 11:51 AM

Respectfully…
WTF b.s. are you talking about?

verbaluce on August 20, 2014 at 12:15 PM

Pork-Chop on August 20, 2014 at 12:13 PM

Did you see the crowd in front of CNN headquarters showing their solidarity?

Cindy Munford on August 20, 2014 at 12:15 PM

2. Brown violently psychotically attacked the officer simply do to his marijuana fueled rage and backed off only so that he could gain some distance to then turn around and charge the officer with the clear intent to strangle him to death.

Of course both of these scenarios are absurd.

verbaluce on August 20, 2014 at 12:02 PM

No, #2 is quite plausible. Brown just robbed a store, the video shows he’s got quite a head of steam. You hyperbolically write “strangle”. But did you see him put his hand on the clerk’s neck? Then he’s walking in the middle of the street. Very likely on drugs. The cop is on patrol, relying on his training and 6 years of experience.

These 2 guys briefly found themselves equally unstable, with tragic results.

verbaluce on August 20, 2014 at 12:02 PM

Really. THAT is absurd.

LashRambo on August 20, 2014 at 12:15 PM

DOJ To Indict for Excessive Force

Federal Criminal Enforcement

It is a crime for one or more persons acting under color of law willfully to deprive or conspire to deprive another person of any right protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States. (18 U.S.C. §§ 241, 242). “Color of law” simply means that the person doing the act is using power given to him or her by a governmental agency (local, State, or Federal). A law enforcement officer acts “under color of law” even if he or she is exceeding his or her rightful power.
The types of law enforcement misconduct covered by these laws include excessive force, sexual assault, intentional false arrests, or the intentional fabrication of evidence resulting in a loss of liberty to another.

Enforcement of these provisions does not require that any racial, religious, or other discriminatory motive existed. What remedies are available under these laws? Violations of these laws are punishable by fine and/or imprisonment.

Ned Pepper on August 20, 2014 at 12:16 PM

So predictable conservatives will take the cops side when a black guy is involved. However when a white guy is harassed by the law, they scream police state.

And they wonder why blacks will forever brand them anti minority/racists.

farleftprogressiveretard on August 20, 2014 at 11:58 AM

No we wait for the FACTS. Something you libtards never do.

txdoc on August 20, 2014 at 12:17 PM

From the 2013 Style Book (which I took home by complete accident!) — under “youth:

Applicable to boys and girls from age 13 until 18th birthday. Use man or woman for individuals 18 and older.”

lizzieillinois on August 18, 2014 at 8:52 PM

faraway on August 20, 2014 at 12:13 PM

Right. “Youth” is applicable to those from 13-17, “man/woman” is applicable for a person 18 or over. That rule is on the usage of “youth,man and woman.”

It is not a rule against using “teenager” for a person 13-18.

I’ll ask you the same thing. When did the definition of “teenager” change in your world?

Walter L. Newton on August 20, 2014 at 12:17 PM

I’m guessing you didn’t watch Governor Nixon’s speech.

Conservative4Ever on August 20, 2014 at 11:48 AM

No, I didn’t.

cam2 on August 20, 2014 at 12:18 PM

He (Allah) has convicted Wilson on the basis of popular opinion and has been advocating for his arrest and trial without even a pretense at an objective assessment of available information.

Shameless.

talkingpoints on August 20, 2014 at 11:56 AM

Sorry…when and where did he do any such thing?

verbaluce on August 20, 2014 at 12:18 PM

Respectfully…

verbaluce on August 20, 2014 at 12:15 PM

Highly dubious.

Judge_Dredd on August 20, 2014 at 12:18 PM

Ned Pepper on August 20, 2014 at 12:16 PM

They don’t know the facts yet. No one does. So you’re, as usual, full of crap.

If he didn’t drop to the ground until the sixth shot was fired, there was nothing “excessive” about it.

Meople on August 20, 2014 at 12:19 PM

DOJ To Indict for Excessive Force

Ned Pepper on August 20, 2014 at 12:16 PM

Citing criminal code means the DoJ is going to indict?

NotCoach on August 20, 2014 at 12:19 PM

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/08/19/breaking-report-dorian-johnson-recants-media-statement-tells-authorities-big-mike-did-try-for-officers-gun-acquittal-probable/

lynncgb on August 20, 2014 at 12:12 PM

Yeah, they quote the radio station I was talking about. I live only 2 miles from where all the riots are happening.

MobileVideoEngineer on August 20, 2014 at 12:19 PM

Heh buckeye

Don’t know from where HN
I thought Ed saidcthat dear leader was heading back to Dc

AF1 getting some flying timecthis week

cmsinaz on August 20, 2014 at 12:19 PM

backed off only so that he could gain some distance to then turn around and charge the officer with the clear intent to strangle him to death.

Of course both of these scenarios are absurd.

verbaluce on August 20, 2014 at 12:02 PM

In the store video, Brown assaults the clerk, begins to walk away, then approaches him again, to establish his dominance, get in his face, as if to say, “you had enough, or you want some more?”, as he finally turns around and swaggers out of the store with his loot. Just the scenario you ridicule above.

LashRambo on August 20, 2014 at 12:19 PM

Why do you think law-abiding citizens have been stocking up on guns and ammo for the last 6 years? Zombies? No truly intelligent person could think the election of Obama could lead to anything else.

Judge_Dredd on August 20, 2014 at 12:15 PM

Indeed. Whether it’s a white officer shooting a black perp, or the EBT system going down, or Paula Deen admitting that she spoke the word “n*****” 20 years ago – with ‘race hustler’ obama in office, just about ANYTHING can trigger race riots.

Pork-Chop on August 20, 2014 at 12:20 PM

I’ll ask you the same thing. When did the definition of “teenager” change in your world?

Walter L. Newton on August 20, 2014 at 12:17 PM

It is fluid in journalistic terms. Teen is used when they want a “gentle giant” to seem more angelic. Man would be used if said 18 year old committed a felony and attacked an armed police officer. Your world makes me sick Walter.

Conservative4Ever on August 20, 2014 at 12:20 PM

Citing criminal code means the DoJ is going to indict?

NotCoach on August 20, 2014 at 12:19 PM

If Ned doesn’t have any news to report, he makes it up out of whole cloth. Like a child lying to his mother (which I suspect he does on a daily basis… “no mom, I didn’t leave the light on in the basement.”).

Walter L. Newton on August 20, 2014 at 12:20 PM

Breaking! Report: Key Ferguson Witness Dorian Johnson Changes Story, Admits Brown Attacked Officer Wilson And Tried To Take His Gun…

Rovin on August 20, 2014 at 11:54 AM

So all of the anti-cop bleating has been proven wrong.

Sure is a shit-load of apologies owed by clowns pontificating and/or pillaging over the course of the last several days, eh?

Ah, the poor ‘gentle giant’, the poor mistreated black folks just wanting justice, the sympathetic ‘journalists’, the concerned ‘militarized police’ activists…

Long after this is no longer a news story, a crapload of witless people will have been responsible for setting race (and other) relations back another several steps.

You know who you are – and f*ck you.

Midas on August 20, 2014 at 12:21 PM

In the store video, Brown assaults the clerk, begins to walk away, then approaches him again, to establish his dominance, get in his face, as if to say, “you had enough, or you want some more?”, as he finally turns around and swaggers out of the store with his loot. Just the scenario you ridicule above.

LashRambo on August 20, 2014 at 12:19 PM

According to the good folks at Crooks & Liars he paid for the cigars and was only putting back the ones he couldn’t afford.

Judge_Dredd on August 20, 2014 at 12:21 PM

Walter, 19 is a teenager in my world.

faraway on August 20, 2014 at 12:22 PM

verbaluce on August 20, 2014 at 12:02 PM

F*ck you.

Midas on August 20, 2014 at 12:22 PM

No, I didn’t.

cam2 on August 20, 2014 at 12:18 PM

If you still haven’t, I suggest you do. You might learn about “broad daylight”

Conservative4Ever on August 20, 2014 at 12:22 PM

It looks like he’ll be speaking from the vineyard

cmsinaz on August 20, 2014 at 12:23 PM

DOJ To Indict for Excessive Force

Ned Pepper on August 20, 2014 at 12:16 PM

LOLOLOL

Alternate Headline: DOJ Grasping for Straws.

HumpBot Salvation on August 20, 2014 at 12:23 PM

So predictable conservatives will take the cops side when a black guy is involved. However when a white guy is harassed by the law, they scream police state.

And they wonder why blacks will forever brand them anti minority/racists.

farleftprogressive on August 20, 2014 at 11:58 AM

We’ve learned to disregard the initial and emotionally fueled “facts” that are released from the usual suspects after these types of “racially-based criminal events”.

Its not like we don’t have clear and definitive historical events to base our reasoned skepticism upon…

Tawana Brawley, Duke Lacrosse, Trayvon “Skittles” Martin.

All of them turned out to be much different than the mainstream media and racial hustlers claimed happened.

So you’ll excuse us if we don’t immediately believe you that the police officer gunned down the kid execution style. We waited for the evidence and facts to come out, and the more they come out, the more it appears that the situation isn’t nearly as monotone as you and your lying ilk claimed.

Defenestratus on August 20, 2014 at 12:23 PM

Ned Pepper on August 20, 2014 at 12:16 PM

F*ck you.

Midas on August 20, 2014 at 12:23 PM

It is fluid in journalistic terms. Teen is used when they want a “gentle giant” to seem more angelic. Man would be used if said 18 year old committed a felony and attacked an armed police officer. Your world makes me sick Walter.

Conservative4Ever on August 20, 2014 at 12:20 PM

All I was addressing was the rules, not the intent. You don’t know crap about my world. You have no idea what I write, what the editorial content of my paper is (there isn’t any, we have one Republican/Democrat point of view a month, written by readers, not reporters) or what beats I cover.

You have a lot of nerve deciding what “my world” encompasses. So you keep your vomiting out of my world.

Walter L. Newton on August 20, 2014 at 12:24 PM

farleftprogressive on August 20, 2014 at 11:58 AM

F*ck you.

Midas on August 20, 2014 at 12:24 PM

Walter, 19 is a teenager in my world.

faraway on August 20, 2014 at 12:22 PM

Correct… I noticed that I kept making that mistake. But it still doesn’t make you right. So sad.

Walter L. Newton on August 20, 2014 at 12:25 PM

Why’d it take 21 paragraphs to get to it?

Because they don’t what those thugs from MO to burn down their niice offices in New York.

Sinner on August 20, 2014 at 12:25 PM

F*ck you.

Midas on August 20, 2014 at 12:24 PM

LOL, I’m glad you have some left.

Because to be honest, I am all out F*cks to give to all the idiots on the left who have perpetuated this garbage.

HumpBot Salvation on August 20, 2014 at 12:26 PM

this is the first evidence I know of reported in a major paper that Brown might have been physically aggressive towards Wilson.

A cursory search of yahoo, google, bing or duck-duck-go would have provided you with this evidence in the first days. Too bad you’re too lazy to bother searching prior to opining, AP.

Reuters story on August 13:

http://mobile.rawstory.com/all/2014-08-13-ferguson-police-chief-says-officer-involved-in-michael-brown-shooting-was-injured#1

Other outlets, like LATIMES reported same.

mountainaires on August 20, 2014 at 12:26 PM

DOJ To Indict for Excessive Force
 
Ned Pepper on August 20, 2014 at 12:16 PM

 
That makes no sense. They don’t shoot to wound, and he obviously stopped after the round went through Brown’s skull and killed him.
 
That’s exactly right force.

rogerb on August 20, 2014 at 12:27 PM

Midas on August 20, 2014 at 12:21 PM

The narrative will never change, I don’t care if they have a video of Brown beating the living tar out of the officer.

Cindy Munford on August 20, 2014 at 12:27 PM

F*ck you.

Midas on August 20, 2014 at 12:24 PM

hehe.

ToddPA on August 20, 2014 at 12:27 PM

LOL, I’m glad you have some left.

Because to be honest, I am all out F*cks to give to all the idiots on the left who have perpetuated this garbage.

HumpBot Salvation on August 20, 2014 at 12:26 PM

;)

Midas on August 20, 2014 at 12:28 PM

Nixon needs to be recalled.

Schadenfreude on August 20, 2014 at 12:28 PM

And they wonder why blacks will forever brand them anti minority/racists.

farleftprogressive on August 20, 2014 at 11:58 AM

I usually start with the assumption that the cops are right, regardless of race. In this case, I got snookered by the media’s fabulous description of Brown and, while cautious, assumed something really wrong happened. That ended decisively with the robbery photos. I don’t care if the cop shot him in church with a bazooka at this point, though I do care that the cop gets real justice, whatever that should be. I suspect that real justice would be him being exonerated based on what I know so far, but I’m cautious about that as well.

I’m not even mildly anti-black, but I’m anti-thug. It’s too bad that Brown didn’t get his ticket punched by a similarly-pigmented hoodlum, which would have served the same purpose and would not have disturbed you from your knitting.

Immolate on August 20, 2014 at 12:29 PM

How did Dorian Johnson survive the “assassination”, “execution”, “murder” that occurred in “broad daylight”…?

d1carter on August 20, 2014 at 12:29 PM

backed off only so that he could gain some distance to then turn around and charge the officer with the clear intent to strangle him to death.

Of course both of these scenarios are absurd.

verbaluce on August 20, 2014 at 12:02 PM

In the store video, Brown assaults the clerk, begins to walk away, then approaches him again, to establish his dominance, get in his face, as if to say, “you had enough, or you want some more?”, as he finally turns around and swaggers out of the store with his loot. Just the scenario you ridicule above.

LashRambo on August 20, 2014 at 12:19 PM

You’re writing some narrative and then trying to apply it equally to the shooting. I suppose you can imagine anything, but your Brown character deciding to ‘establish his dominance’ over the weapon brandishing officer who just shot him…quite the stretch.

verbaluce on August 20, 2014 at 12:30 PM

Ned Pepper on August 20, 2014 at 12:16 PM

DOJ To Indict for Excessive Force

bigmacdaddy on August 20, 2014 at 12:30 PM

Ned Pepper on August 20, 2014 at 12:16 PM

F*ck you.

Midas on August 20, 2014 at 12:23 PM

Nooooo – F*ck you, in a very bad way, then we’ll pour limejuice on you.

Otherwise Ned will enjoy your threat.

Schadenfreude on August 20, 2014 at 12:30 PM

Actually Obama’s azz is a pretty safe place to be.

Ned Pepper on August 11, 2014 at 4:36 PM

Schadenfreude on August 20, 2014 at 12:31 PM

Schadenfreude on August 20, 2014 at 12:28 PM

Yep. Those were not off the cuff remarks the Governor read. Shep Smith in all his histrionics last night got a response from the Governor’s office to the effect that “the Governor stood by his statement”…

d1carter on August 20, 2014 at 12:32 PM

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