Police sources to NYT: Witnesses, forensics prove Wilson sustained an injury during his confrontation with Michael Brown

posted at 11:21 am on August 20, 2014 by Allahpundit

Kind of an important detail, yet buried 21 paragraphs deep. They’re not as specific as Jim Hoft was yesterday in alleging that Wilson’s eye was busted — the type of injury is unspecified here — but this is the first evidence I know of reported in a major paper that Brown might have been physically aggressive towards Wilson.

Er, why didn’t the Times think to ask its sources, “What kind of injury?” Or did they and received a “no comment” in reply? Police might want to keep that detail a secret to see if witnesses will independently corroborate it. I.e. if it’s his eye and a witness claims he saw Brown punch Wilson in the face, they know that witness is likely credible.

However, law enforcement officials say witnesses and forensic analysis have shown that Officer Wilson did sustain an injury during the struggle in the car…

“It was something strange,” said [eyewitness Michael] Brady, 32, a janitor. “Something was not right. It was some kind of altercation. I can’t say whether he was punching the officer or whatever. But something was going on in that window, and it didn’t look right.”…

According to his account to the Ferguson police, Officer Wilson said that Mr. Brown had lowered his arms and moved toward him, law enforcement officials said. Fearing that the teenager was going to attack him, the officer decided to use deadly force. Some witnesses have backed up that account. Others, however — including [Brown's friend Dorian] Johnson — have said that Mr. Brown did not move toward the officer before the final shots were fired…

The F.B.I., Mr. Bosley said, pressed Mr. Johnson to say how high Mr. Brown’s hands were. Mr. Johnson said that his hands were not that high, and that one was lower than the other, because he appeared to be “favoring it,” the lawyer said.

Brady says he’s been interviewed by local police but not by the FBI yet. Huh. The Times also stresses that several witnesses say that when Brown stopped running from Wilson and turned back to face him, he did put his hands up. Whether he then lowered them and advanced on Wilson, as Wilson claims, or stayed put in surrender mode is in dispute.

Another interesting tidbit from the Times: Supposedly “many” witnesses have told cops that Wilson’s gun went off while he was still in the car arguing with Brown, which apparently caused Brown to start running. Why the gun went off will be a hot topic at trial, needless to say. It’s possible, I guess, that Wilson fired it deliberately, to intimidate Brown, but … why on earth would he do that? There are lots of ways a cop can intimidate you without blowing a hole in his own squad car or risking a ricochet. It’s more likely that the gun went off accidentally. How come? Did Brown grab for it when Wilson had it holstered? Or did Wilson have the gun out to intimidate Brown when it went off, either through Wilson’s own carelessness or because Brown grabbed at it himself? The defense is going to argue that Wilson’s fear of death or severe bodily harm was reasonable; it’s hard to make that argument based on Brown’s size alone given that Wilson was armed and Brown wasn’t, but if they can show that Brown had already tried to take a deadly weapon from Wilson and obviously had the strength to succeed on a second attempt, the argument is easier. And if they can show on top of that that Brown had already evinced an intent to harm Wilson by injuring him somehow, it’s easier still. Kind of a big deal here. Why’d it take 21 paragraphs to get to it?


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Just as was reported yesterday when some site reported that the Police had 12 eye witnesses to the shooting who exonerated the Police officer of wrongdoing, I said that did not pass the smell test, and it was later recanted. I do not think this passes the smell test. The accomplice is under too much pressure to be a snitch. The only way he would recant and cooperate at this point is if he was to be charged as an accomplice to a crime in which a death occurred, and he was given a deal. I do not know Mo. law on accomplices. But I think it would take something very big to get the accomplice to recant.

they lie on August 20, 2014 at 2:59 PM

You lie, the 12 witness story was not recanted. The only thing that happened is that the Post-Dispatch didn’t want that tweet to be associated with them simply because at the time of it, the person who tweeted it was still on family and medical leave so she technically wasn’t working in the capacity of her position.

I know this because again, I live here.

MobileVideoEngineer on August 20, 2014 at 3:06 PM

corruption and institutional racism are not the same thing.

Monkeytoe on August 20, 2014 at 3:04 PM

Point taken, but police corruption is still rampant in some cities, and what is the result? They aren’t acting on their behalf or in the public’s best interest in those situations. And it feeds the fire that cops are corrupt in the minds of those who live there.

Deckard BR on August 20, 2014 at 3:14 PM

To EarlGrey, Politricks, Verbaluce, Ned Pepper, Libfree, etc:

Why the silence on the execution of Dillon Taylor, a UNARMED, white man wearing earphones exiting a petrol station, by a Salt Lake City police officer, whose name has not been release and is only described as ‘Other Than White’?

Resist We Much on August 20, 2014 at 2:06 PM

This is how Sean Hannity argues (“Robert Byrd was in the KKK once!”)
- you’re not Sean Hannity.
Most every one of my comments has focused on the incident…not sweeping generalizations about police or race or crime. So not sure what you’re suggesting.

Do you think the Dillon Taylor incident was the same as with Ferguson?
I’m pretty confident that 2 different situations occurred.
And with SLC, it seems the officer wore a camera and has the whole thing on tape. So likely there will be less to question there.

verbaluce on August 20, 2014 at 3:15 PM

Verbie, you’re no match for Sophie. Give that pipe dream up, boy.

Judge_Dredd on August 20, 2014 at 3:17 PM

Keep in mind that “surrounding counties” means Illinois as well. My house is only 8 miles from the Illinois border (aka the Mississippi) and East Saint Louis is in Illinois.

MobileVideoEngineer on August 20, 2014 at 1:47 PM

I’ve driven into St. Louis from US 67 on the Illinois side. It’s a hellhole.

I also stayed at the Holiday Inn off Woodson Drive. It’s about 3 miles from Ferguson line-of-site. I don’t get why people keep saying Ferguson is a small town as if it just sits there and minds it’s own business. That’s like saying Compton is “just” a small town.

UnstChem on August 20, 2014 at 3:17 PM

Do you think the Dillon Taylor incident was the same as with Ferguson?
I’m pretty confident that 2 different situations occurred.

verbaluce on August 20, 2014 at 3:15 PM

Yes, Taylor was white while Brown was black.

Hence the disparity in media coverage.

sentinelrules on August 20, 2014 at 3:18 PM

(And of course it’s been pointed out many many times, how rich it is to hear in these pages gripes and outrage about ‘outside agitators’ following the Cliven Bundy circus.)

verbaluce on August 20, 2014 at 2:43 PM

Because all those militia folks were running around looting Quik Stops…… *eyeroll*

GWB on August 20, 2014 at 3:19 PM

verbaluce on August 20, 2014 at 2:53 PM

So any mocking you take in the future on this particular episode means nothing. rogerb & NotCoach mock you incessantly and it affects you not.

Judge_Dredd on August 20, 2014 at 2:58 PM

Outside agitators. The scroll button works wonders on them.
I’m here for the smart and on topic stuff.

verbaluce on August 20, 2014 at 3:19 PM

Outside agitators. The scroll button works wonders on them.
I’m here for the smart and on topic stuff.

verbaluce on August 20, 2014 at 3:19 PM

Don’t know what that could be. You’re made fun of by just abt every commenter here save the other trolls. Like I said. Bored with life. Still. I’ll take you over a myriad of others.

Judge_Dredd on August 20, 2014 at 3:22 PM

I’ve driven into St. Louis from US 67 on the Illinois side. It’s a hellhole.

I also stayed at the Holiday Inn off Woodson Drive. It’s about 3 miles from Ferguson line-of-site. I don’t get why people keep saying Ferguson is a small town as if it just sits there and minds it’s own business. That’s like saying Compton is “just” a small town.

UnstChem on August 20, 2014 at 3:17 PM

I’m west of West Florissant and don’t go east very often unless I am going back to Ohio for the holidays or going to Grafton, IL. I used to go to the K-mart on West Florissant and the Wing Stop, but I can drive a little further and go to the same areas. I don’t NEED to go to Ferguson for any reason, unless I want to go to the Ferguson Brewing Company.

MobileVideoEngineer on August 20, 2014 at 3:24 PM

Verbie, you’re no match for Sophie. Give that pipe dream up, boy.

Judge_Dredd on August 20, 2014 at 3:17 PM

Never anything less than props for RWM.
Doesn’t mean I have to kiss her a$$ by jumping in with swoony praise for ‘Sophie’. As I often say, RWM can take care of herself.
(And maybe you didn’t follow the meaning of my ‘you’re not Sean Hannity’.)

verbaluce on August 20, 2014 at 3:24 PM

Point taken, but police corruption is still rampant in some cities, and what is the result? They aren’t acting on their behalf or in the public’s best interest in those situations. And it feeds the fire that cops are corrupt in the minds of those who live there.

Deckard BR on August 20, 2014 at 3:14 PM

Fair enough. But again, that doesn’t explain why blacks across the country believe that their particular police department is racist.

It’s a nation-wide myth is the problem – that all police departments (really, all law enforcement) are racist and go around wantonly killing black people.

It is a week into the rioting/protests, and we haven’t heard any underlying claims – let alone seen any proof – as to rampant racism by the Ferguson PD. So, apparently there were no underlying issues here that kept the populace simmering ready to boil over if a big enough incident occurred.

Instead, the left / black Americans just assume that because he was white and a police officer – he MUST BE RACIST.

Monkeytoe on August 20, 2014 at 3:25 PM

I keep seeing posters here saying Dorian Johnson changed his story but a google search shows only breibart news posting that.
And this is what I meant by publications pushing their own agendas. This is how falsehoods get spread.
You have a board full of people preaching that as if its gospel and it hasnt even been verified.
Smh.
Politricks on August 20, 2014 at 2:34 PM

Dorian Johnson’s story was changed as soon as he lawyered up and the results of the first autopsy shot his “Brown was shot in the back” lie down in flames.

Care to try again?

Newtie and the Beauty on August 20, 2014 at 3:25 PM

Dorian Johnson’s story was changed as soon as he lawyered up and the results of the first autopsy shot his “Brown was shot in the back” lie down in flames.

Newtie and the Beauty on August 20, 2014 at 3:25 PM

I’m not aware of him putting out a different story. I know parts of his story seem contradicted by the autopsy and he did not include the fact that Brown and he robbed the convenience store, but I don’t believe he put out a new story?

Monkeytoe on August 20, 2014 at 3:28 PM

(And maybe you didn’t follow the meaning of my ‘you’re not Sean Hannity’.)

verbaluce on August 20, 2014 at 3:24 PM

I followed it. Hannity understands repetition works with people quite nicely. Too bad you mock him for using an effective tool. But then, he didn’t build that! Someone else made that happen! Or maybe we are the ones we’ve been waiting for! Maybe you understand those.

Were you the clown that preferred government corruption in Obama’s hands bcs he’ll use it wisely? I forgot who actually said that.

Judge_Dredd on August 20, 2014 at 3:30 PM

archer52 on August 20, 2014 at 1:16 PM

You described the reality of what a street cop faces every day in certain areas of an urban setting. Too many of these arm chair Police officers don’t have a fkg. clue of what being a street cop or first line supervisor of a squad of uniformed street cops is like. Police do not have policies which say police officers are to let someone beat the shit out of them and try and take their firearm from them and are not supposed to respond with deadly force if necessary to stop the threat. Police departments do not have a policy that says a police officer when discharging his /her weapon in a situation which justifies the use of deadly force, can only fire X number of shots. There’s a reason for that, you fkg. arm chair police haters would never be able to grasp. Police departments do not have a policy or procedure telling you when and how to fire warning shots with a firearm or shoot to wound. They have policies forbidding that tv fantasy shit. Warning shots and shooting to wound would be a lawyer’s best friend. You armchair police officers always get your man without firing a shot, even when you are about to lose your life to a thug and every one loves you and hugs you when you go to arrest them. As Mark Levine might say,”GET OFF THE INTERNET, YOU IDIOT!!”

they lie on August 20, 2014 at 3:31 PM

Cindy Munford on August 20, 2014 at 3:06 PM

As I see it, in many if not all US jurisdictions Wilson would have been legally justified if he had shot Brown running away. He was a robbery suspect and a felon fleeing the scene of an assault on a police officer who clearly posed an imminent threat to the community.

But once Brown turned and charged him, Wilson had no choice. He had to shoot and stop Brown before he closed the range and assaulted Wilson again.

novaculus on August 20, 2014 at 3:33 PM

So, apparently, unarmed white Dillon Taylor was shot dead by a black Salt Lake City police officer.

No looting by whites, very strange.

sentinelrules on August 20, 2014 at 3:35 PM

MobileVideoEngineer on August 20, 2014 at 3:06 PM

The last I saw on it was that it had been recanted. Is there another source for the story? I hope the “story” is true, but, again, I have never found 12 witnesses to anything that all told pretty much the same story. Most witnesses don’t want to get involved. I will search for more confirmation on the story.

they lie on August 20, 2014 at 3:37 PM

Cindy Munford on August 20, 2014 at 3:06 PM

As I see it, in many if not all US jurisdictions Wilson would have been legally justified if he had shot Brown running away. He was a robbery suspect and a felon fleeing the scene of an assault on a police officer who clearly posed an imminent threat to the community.

But once Brown turned and charged him, Wilson had no choice. He had to shoot and stop Brown before he closed the range and assaulted Wilson again.

novaculus on August 20, 2014 at 3:33 PM

In Missouri I believe deadly force is authorized if a felony suspect is fleeing period. Thankfully that obviously isn’t what happened here, otherwise we wouldn’t be hearing the end of it.

MobileVideoEngineer on August 20, 2014 at 3:38 PM

Ruh roh. Do we have another “Doctor” Shiping Bao in the making?

http://youngcons.com/breaking-autopsy-expert-hired-by-michael-brown-family-is-a-huge-fraud/

(I realize this is a conservative site so we’ll withhold judgement for Verbie and Politricks)

Judge_Dredd on August 20, 2014 at 3:39 PM

Dorian Johnson Recants?

Station facebook page

novaculus on August 20, 2014 at 3:41 PM

Ruh roh. Do we have another “Doctor” Shiping Bao in the making?

http://youngcons.com/breaking-autopsy-expert-hired-by-michael-brown-family-is-a-huge-fraud/

(I realize this is a conservative site so we’ll withhold judgement for Verbie and Politricks)

Judge_Dredd on August 20, 2014 at 3:39 PM

The Gateway Pundit already had that story up earlier today although he used the original source…

Shawn Parcells’ credentials, role in Michael Brown autopsy questioned by doctors

MobileVideoEngineer on August 20, 2014 at 3:44 PM

MobileVideoEngineer on August 20, 2014 at 3:38 PM

Yes, just because it’s lawful doesn’t mean it’s good judgment. A tough decision in this situation if you’re Wilson, until Brown turned back and forced his hand.

novaculus on August 20, 2014 at 3:44 PM

If you assault a police officer you can get shot. It’s not a good idea

gxbhkt on August 20, 2014 at 3:53 PM

MobileVideoEngineer on August 20, 2014 at 3:44 PM

Why would Dr. Baden, who I feel has gone to great lengths to be unbiased have this nut with him?

Cindy Munford on August 20, 2014 at 3:59 PM

NYT story has Johnson’s lawyer reporting his client’s statements to investigators as somewhat at odds with his original statements. I wonder if he has modified his story further in the meantime.

novaculus on August 20, 2014 at 4:00 PM

Cindy Munford on August 20, 2014 at 3:59 PM

Maybe they just arranged for Baden to use his facilities for the examination. If the guy was facilitating and seemed credible Baden would have no idea what the guy’s credentials really were and no reason to check. His report rests on his own examination, not anything this guy did.

novaculus on August 20, 2014 at 4:06 PM

novaculus on August 20, 2014 at 4:00 PM

If he changes his story that Brown wasn’t a complete victim, it will be said that he took a deal to escape some kind of prosecution.

Cindy Munford on August 20, 2014 at 4:23 PM

novaculus on August 20, 2014 at 4:06 PM

It might be a good idea for Dr. Baden to ask him to stop using their names jointly. I think he would probably like to stay an unimpeachable source.

Cindy Munford on August 20, 2014 at 4:25 PM

If he changes his story that Brown wasn’t a complete victim, it will be said that he took a deal to escape some kind of prosecution.
Cindy Munford on August 20, 2014 at 4:23 PM

Deals like that involve telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Those kind of deals are blown out of the water when lies told on the witness stand are exposed.

Newtie and the Beauty on August 20, 2014 at 4:32 PM

If he changes his story that Brown wasn’t a complete victim, it will be said that he took a deal to escape some kind of prosecution.

Cindy Munford on August 20, 2014 at 4:23 PM

Deals like that involve telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Those kind of deals are blown out of the water when lies told on the witness stand are exposed.

Newtie and the Beauty on August 20, 2014 at 4:32 PM

Read somewhere that Johnson had an outstanding warrant from late 2013. Can’t confirm.

slickwillie2001 on August 20, 2014 at 4:36 PM

Newtie and the Beauty on August 20, 2014 at 4:32 PM

Yeah but we have a governor and possibly a prosecutor who are more interested in a narrative rather than the truth.

Cindy Munford on August 20, 2014 at 4:39 PM

Were I this cop, I would stand at the gates of hell before pleading out to something I didn’t do, no matter the pressure, no matter the cost.

So, they’ll go after his family.
Mark my words.

Tard on August 20, 2014 at 4:41 PM

Tard on August 20, 2014 at 4:41 PM

.
I’m pretty sure we’re all waaay ahead of you on that.

listens2glenn on August 20, 2014 at 4:44 PM

Cindy Munford on August 20, 2014 at 3:59 PM

Maybe they just arranged for Baden to use his facilities for the examination. If the guy was facilitating and seemed credible Baden would have no idea what the guy’s credentials really were and no reason to check. His report rests on his own examination, not anything this guy did.

novaculus on August 20, 2014 at 4:06 PM

Unless Baden was only unbiased because of the location. The Saint Louis County Medical Examiner is Mary Case and she is nationally known and highly respected among others in her field as she does lectures around the country. Even in the story of Baden’s report I believe Baden said something about that and that he’s been to many of her lectures.

MobileVideoEngineer on August 20, 2014 at 4:45 PM

Yeah but we have a governor and possibly a prosecutor who are more interested in a narrative rather than the truth.

Cindy Munford on August 20, 2014 at 4:39 PM

I wouldn’t be so sure about the prosecutor. They had him on KMOX as I was driving home from work today and he’s pretty disgusted at the way the Governor has been handling this and while he said that he and his office is continuing to move forward on the case, he said he is waiting on a yes or no answer about whether or not he’s going to be removed since the Governor declared a state of emergency. He also said that they are shooting for mid-October for the case to decided by the grand jury. (Although he could just be saying that).

MobileVideoEngineer on August 20, 2014 at 4:49 PM

When talking about “militarized” police and police stupidity, this guy is exhibit A.

The reaction of the guy with the camera is a bit hysterical (I certainly didn’t hear the cop threaten to kill him – primarily because he was talking all over the top of what the officer might have said). But the actions of the officer are atrocious, and he should be fired immediately. You NEVER use a firearm in that fashion unless there is an immediate threat to life and limb that you need to stop.

(CAVEAT: Unless this guy is some sort of wannabe wearing a costume and waving a fake gun around. I wouldn’t put that past some of the rabble rousers.)

GWB on August 20, 2014 at 4:54 PM

If he changes his story that Brown wasn’t a complete victim, it will be said that he took a deal to escape some kind of prosecution.

Cindy Munford on August 20, 2014 at 4:23 PM

Yeah, he’s not very credible in any case.

novaculus on August 20, 2014 at 4:55 PM

Cindy Munford on August 20, 2014 at 4:25 PM

That’s not good. Baden should warn this guy and try to quietly dissociate himself.

novaculus on August 20, 2014 at 4:57 PM

MobileVideoEngineer on August 20, 2014 at 4:49 PM

That’s good. Why would he be removed because of a state of emergency? Is that code for not prejudging like the governor.

Cindy Munford on August 20, 2014 at 5:02 PM

novaculus on August 20, 2014 at 4:57 PM

I agree. A wannabe is not helpful.

Cindy Munford on August 20, 2014 at 5:03 PM

When talking about “militarized” police and police stupidity, this guy is exhibit A.

The reaction of the guy with the camera is a bit hysterical (I certainly didn’t hear the cop threaten to kill him – primarily because he was talking all over the top of what the officer might have said). But the actions of the officer are atrocious, and he should be fired immediately. You NEVER use a firearm in that fashion unless there is an immediate threat to life and limb that you need to stop.

(CAVEAT: Unless this guy is some sort of wannabe wearing a costume and waving a fake gun around. I wouldn’t put that past some of the rabble rousers.)

GWB on August 20, 2014 at 4:54 PM

Allah put up a thread about it 20 min ago.

UnstChem on August 20, 2014 at 5:05 PM

That’s good. Why would he be removed because of a state of emergency? Is that code for not prejudging like the governor.

Cindy Munford on August 20, 2014 at 5:02 PM

No, he said that there have been calls of him to be recused of the case by protesters, congressmen (aka Lacy Clay), and state senators and he said while he’s not going to recuse himself that since the Governor declared a state of emergency because of what’s going on here in Ferguson, he has the authority to do it, so he just wants a yes or no before his office gets too deep into the investigation so a new prosecutor won’t have to start all over from scratch in a few weeks.

MobileVideoEngineer on August 20, 2014 at 5:13 PM

So any mocking you take in the future on this particular episode means nothing. rogerb & NotCoach mock you incessantly and it affects you not.
 
Judge_Dredd on August 20, 2014 at 2:58 PM

 
Outside agitators. The scroll button works wonders on them.
I’m here for the smart and on topic stuff.
 
verbaluce on August 20, 2014 at 3:19 PM

 
Seems like it should be easier for you to win the debates.

rogerb on August 20, 2014 at 5:15 PM

I ask AP what he does for a living or what he has done for a living.

Has he been a cop, a soldier in combat, a fighter, a boxer, a wrestler? Has he been jumped by a large subject, and beaten in the face? Has he lost consciousness during a beating? A victim of a knockout game?

Has he nearly lost his life in a fight? Been surprised by an attack? Mugged? Shot at? Anything??

Why do I ask? Because he wobbles between common sense reality and what he saw on TV once.

Here is an example:

…Another interesting tidbit from the Times: Supposedly “many” witnesses have told cops that Wilson’s gun went off while he was still in the car arguing with Brown, which apparently caused Brown to start running. Why the gun went off will be a hot topic at trial, needless to say. It’s possible, I guess, that Wilson fired it deliberately, to intimidate Brown, but … why on earth would he do that? There are lots of ways a cop can intimidate you without blowing a hole in his own squad car or risking a ricochet. It’s more likely that the gun went off accidentally. How come? Did Brown grab for it when Wilson had it holstered? Or did Wilson have the gun out to intimidate Brown when it went off, either through Wilson’s own carelessness or because Brown grabbed at it himself? …

I stop because it is hurting my head a little. So let me help AP out. We’ll call it the reality check review:

1. No cop fires his gun to “intimidate” anyone. Against training, law, rules and common sense. The gun comes out only when you think you have to use it.

2. We have no idea how the gun was fired. Chances are Wilson pulled it after he was hit, his gun is on his right side, away from Brown. Witnesses put Brown IN the vehicle fighting Wilson- beating him. If Wilson was trapped and losing the fight- which can happen, he would reach for his gun. Remember, Brown is big. He would be overwhelming.

3. We don’t know if they fought over the gun. The one audio interview indicates Brown was reaching for the gun and had it turned into the officer. He turned it back and it fired. Brown could have been hit in the arm then. Don’t know- physical evidence will reveal it. A forty hit will leave blood.

4. Guns don’t go off accidentally. Not during a fight- that’s movie time. The gun was pulled because the officer was getting beaten by two suspects. He had been punched in the head hard enough to break bones. Anyone who has been punched that hard in the head is hurt, scared and with that big guy on you, raining down blows, you know you are losing.

(I got hit by a Navy SEAL in training once, he hit me half speed and I was wearing headgear. It took a few minutes for me to see clearly again, he had to catch me on my way down. Thank God he was a buddy, and not a bad guy.)

And remember, the officer tried to get out once and Brown shoved the door back on him. Did it hit him? Then he tried to get out again and Brown went in after him. (If you watch the robbery video you see Brown return to the clerk to “make the point” again.)

Brown outweighed Wilson and probably was alot stronger. He had height, weight and leverage advantage (ever try to get from a sitting position if someone doesn’t want you to? Have someone in your house push you back down repeatedly. Do that in a car.)

Why Brown didn’t just take off running when Wilson backed up is beyond me. I’ve done that exact maneuver before on suspects and nobody stood their ground if they knew why I was coming back! Only stoned or drunk people held their ground. Everybody else just rabbited.

Brown was looking to make a point, maybe his thug pride was in high gear. Wilson was right to back up, he couldn’t know how the bad guy was going to react, but it is HIS JOB to stop and detain robbery suspects. Brown’s job is to submit, as a citizen should, then either make his case there (“No MF, those are MY cigars I bought them. You got the wrong brother!”), or get arrested and we all meet again in court.

Nope, the cop was good on the deal. Removing his weapon wasn’t to impress Brown. To shoot Brown because he was beating the officer- surely.

I would. And so would you if your face was being crushed by a stranger, who doesn’t know you, doesn’t care about you, isn’t angry AT YOU, just wants to beat the white man in the uniform because he dare challenge Brown’s “right” to be a robbing thug.

I know these people, I worked in their world, arrested them, fought them. I had one tell me in an interview after getting arrested for theft: “I’m not stealing. It was always mine. If he isn’t strong enough to keep me from taking it, then it was never his, it’s mine. He was just holding onto it until I came along.”

And that AP is the reality of the street.

archer52 on August 20, 2014 at 1:16 PM

I just want to let you know that this retired officer is grateful for all of your comments. You have shown a lot of wisdom in your words. Whatever department you work or worked for is extremely lucky to have you. Thanks brother.

Conservative4Ever on August 20, 2014 at 5:21 PM

Do you think the Dillon Taylor incident was the same as with Ferguson?
I’m pretty confident that 2 different situations occurred.

verbaluce on August 20, 2014 at 3:15 PM
Yes, Taylor was white while Brown was black.

Hence the disparity in media coverage.

sentinelrules on August 20, 2014 at 3:18 PM

Verbal you laugh like an hysterical lunatic while you willingly choose the role of the useful idiot.

CW on August 20, 2014 at 6:17 PM

Remember Brown’s attitude in the store. Yes, he was a punk and a thug. That is who he was. And punks punk and thugs thug. That is what he did. His end was predictable.

CW on August 20, 2014 at 6:19 PM

Now being reported, from a “reliable source,” that Dorian Johnson recanted his story. For what it’s worth:

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/08/19/breaking-report-dorian-johnson-recants-media-statement-tells-authorities-big-mike-did-try-for-officers-gun-acquittal-probable/

Thanks,
Cold Warrior

Cold Warrior on August 20, 2014 at 6:37 PM

Some here seem to think that only blacks can be victims of police brutality. Here’s a true and personal story:

When I was in law school, my parents came over to visit. There was some festival going on down around Tribeca – I don’t recall if I even knew what it was then. Anyhoo, we had gone to a nice place for dinner and were appropriately attired. When we left, I noticed a black police officer standing across the street with a sad face. Now, I am the kind of person that hugs, kisses, or shakes the hand of our men and women in uniform while thanking them for their service. As is my custom, I proceeded across the street, arms opened with a smile on my face, and about to thank this man for performing his thankless task (the freak flags were a’flying). About 7 or 8 feet from where he stood, he charged me and, using both hands, pushed me with great force to the ground. The back of my head struck the pavement first. I sustained a concussion, required sutures, and had a surface contusion.

Initially, I was very angry. I wanted his badge and to sue him and the City. Eventually, I just got over it and moved on with my life.

But, that’s not the end of the story. You see, I had a run-in with some indoctrinated classmates, who had been marinated in CRIT, gender-race-class studies, etc. They explained to me that what had actually happened was the black man putting me in my place. Because of my white privilege, I never even stopped to consider the fact that he might not want anything whatsoever to do with a white girl. To him, I represent colonialism, slavery, oppression, slavery, capitalism, and repression. So, what I should take away from the experience is not to presume that people of other races, especially black males, want anything to do with me or even what my gratitude for their service.

Of course, much of this mumble-jumble might make sense in the student lounge, but not so much in practise; however, I did apply it to NYPD Office Black Man.

NYPD Office Black Man taught Little White Girl a lesson that she’ll never forget: Never thank a black police officer for his service.

Now, I’m pretty certain that NYPD Officer Black Man might have won a Pyrrhic victory if I had learned that lesson because a whole lot of good and decent black officers would have been denied affirmations because of his idiocy.

Lesson that I learned? Blaming all races, sexes, etc, for the actions of one is stupid.

Resist We Much on August 20, 2014 at 8:23 PM


The Times also stresses that several witnesses say that when Brown stopped running from Wilson and turned back to face him, he did put his hands up

Yes he did to taunt the cop. What are you going to do shoot me and then he charged.

pc253 on August 20, 2014 at 10:11 PM

I don’t know pot makes you violent but it can loosen inhibitions, like alcohol.

LashRambo on August 20, 2014 at 12:59 PM

I’ve seen it have a very violent/combative effect on a family member.

Jason58 on August 21, 2014 at 7:06 PM

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