Was the cop injured during his altercation with Michael Brown?

posted at 2:01 pm on August 19, 2014 by Allahpundit

Jim Hoft, who’s based in St. Louis, claims he has two well-placed local sources who say yes.

The Gateway Pundit can now confirm from two local St. Louis sources that police Officer Darren Wilson suffered facial fractures during his confrontation with deceased 18 year-old Michael Brown. Officer Wilson clearly feared for his life during the incident that led to the shooting death of Brown. This was after Michael Brown and his accomplice Dorian Johnson robbed a local Ferguson convenience store.

Local St. Louis sources said Wilson suffered an “orbital blowout fracture to the eye socket.” This comes from a source within the District Attorney’s office and confirmed by the St. Louis County Police.

If Brown, a big man, punched Wilson in the face while they were jawing at each other through the squad car window, that would explain why Brown took off running and why Wilson took off after him. Then again, you don’t need to imagine any physical contact between Brown and Wilson to explain that. If Wilson had said, “Hey, you’re the guy who just robbed the convenience store!”, that might have sent Brown running too.

Is there any corroborating evidence that Brown hit Wilson in the face? Yeah, sort of. If “Josie,” the now famous caller to Dana Loesch’s radio show, really is who she says she is, then Wilson himself told her that Brown punched him.

“Just shoves him back into his car, punches him in the face, and then of course Darren grabs for his gun.” And yet — Josie doesn’t claim that Brown busted Wilson’s eye, a detail you’d think she would want to mention to emphasize the severity of the attack. Also, if you look back at the cellphone video captured by Piaget Crenshaw, you’ll see Wilson standing by Brown’s body with no apparent injury and seemingly in no distress from what allegedly would have been a nasty eye injury.

Most obvious of all, if Hoft’s sources are right, why haven’t we heard this already from Ferguson PD? It seemed odd when they let days go by before releasing the convenience store surveillance video of Brown, but there’s an explanation for that in hindsight. The DOJ was pressuring them not to release the footage, believing that it was immaterial to what happened later between Brown and Wilson and would be prejudicial to the public’s understanding of the case. The cops probably also wanted to let a bit of time pass between Brown’s death and releasing the video, lest they be accused of impeaching his character before the body was even cold. There’s no obvious reason, though, for them not to release information about Wilson supposedly being punched in the face and having his eye socket fractured by Brown if that’s what happened. It’s germane to Wilson’s self-defense claim and it’ll come out at trial, neither of which is necessarily true about the convenience store tape. Even if the feds are pressuring them to hush it up, there’s no reason why the police would respect that request if they were willing to defy the DOJ on the surveillance video. A busted eye would be the best evidence offered so far that Wilson was dealing with a serious threat to his safety — and yet the cops have said nothing about it. How come?


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It’s unconstitutional, if not literally, at least in spirit, for any police force, including County Sheriffs, to look or act like military forces.

UnstChem on August 19, 2014 at 4:06 PM

cite?

r keller on August 19, 2014 at 4:11 PM

It’s unconstitutional, if not literally, at least in spirit, for any police force, including County Sheriffs, to look or act like military forces.

UnstChem on August 19, 2014 at 4:06 PM

I’m sure the officers clearly had POLICE or DEPUTY clearly on their gear and uniforms. The fact they happened to be green camo or the like is irrelevant, and is merely another subtle way the race baiters can try to turn blame for the mob and their riots back onto the police.

Meople on August 19, 2014 at 4:15 PM

The original M16 was a disaster in the Vietnam War because they were thrown at the troops without any training and every one used them in full auto. Statistics estimate that 1 out of every 25,000 rounds of 5.56 in Vietnam actually hit it’s intended target. (Sorry, I don’t know where anyone can find this, I learned it in Armorer’s School in the Army.)

UnstChem on August 19, 2014 at 4:02 PM

I seem to remember that most of the malfunctions of the original M16 were from not chroming the barrel as originally designed. Due to expense. The other problem was wrong type of powder used in the ammunition which caused the fouling and jamming. The training the troops got was wrong. They were told the weapons needed very little cleaning. That was wrong and related back to the barrels not being chromed…or something. A little fuzzy on this but early bad rep wasn’t entirely due to training issues. That said a friend of mine from MACV-SOG told me about coming on a squad of grunts that had been ambushed. All the dead were out of ammo. Sprayed and prayed till they ran out and then got overrun. A kid he knew bled out in his arms.

Oldnuke on August 19, 2014 at 4:16 PM

Where’s the box of cigars?

Obviously, they not to be seen near the body of the angelic Mikey Brown. Maybe his cohort picked them up as he ran away from Mikey and the cop.

Maybe they were left in Officer Wilson’s cop car? Which would be very inconvenient to the protestors.

Knowing the liberal media, they will say Mikey passed them out to neighbors as he went by – sort of like a black Robin Hood – you know, steal from the rich and give to the poor?

dockywocky on August 19, 2014 at 4:16 PM

It’s unconstitutional, if not literally, at least in spirit, for any police force, including County Sheriffs, to look or act like military forces.

UnstChem on August 19, 2014 at 4:06 PM

I wouldn’t say it’s “unConstitutional”, but it certainly violates the idea of “no standing armies”. The whole point of the first London police force was to eliminate the use of the military as law-enforcement. If you then militarize the police, you’ve come full circle, and are back to a standing army.

GWB on August 19, 2014 at 4:19 PM

Also, if you look back at the cellphone video captured by Piaget Crenshaw, you’ll see Wilson standing by Brown’s body with no apparent injury and seemingly in no distress from what allegedly would have been a nasty eye injury.

o_O

Someone’s led a sheltered life…

I suffered second-degree burns on three fingers when I blew a 75-amp fuse, but didn’t realize it until someone pointed out to me that my hand had been blackened by the wire insulation I hit with a metal switch plate what caused the fuse to blow…

Newtie and the Beauty on August 19, 2014 at 2:43 PM

Also, if bone was fractured, that would not show up immediately. I’ve broken and fractured a few bones and didn’t know it for hours. In one case, the swelling took some 20 minutes to start.

The Rogue Tomato on August 19, 2014 at 4:20 PM

The writing here on this case has been atrocious. Many of our posters know far more about this case than HotAir’s writers and don’t just make crap up.
slickwillie2001 on August 19, 2014 at 2:54 PM

Nobody here, myself included, knows anything other than what has been publicly released. And very little info has been released — not even the officer’s incident report from the day of the shooting. Everything else is self-serving leaks, speculation and/or plain old bullsh*t.

cam2 on August 19, 2014 at 4:22 PM

I wouldn’t say it’s “unConstitutional”, but it certainly violates the idea of “no standing armies”. The whole point of the first London police force was to eliminate the use of the military as law-enforcement. If you then militarize the police, you’ve come full circle, and are back to a standing army.

GWB on August 19, 2014 at 4:19 PM

Green camo, or any other color, with POLICE or DEPUTY clearly visible in large white or yellow letters, does not constitute “militarizing” the police.

Don’t fall into the trap the left is using. Their claims the police are “militarized” is just their subtle, backwards way of saying they want police dis-armed entirely. Or at the very least, limited to non-lethal methods only.

Don’t accept their premise, because it’s completely wrong, as usual.

Meople on August 19, 2014 at 4:26 PM

they lie on August 19, 2014 at 4:03 PM

I’m wary of police officers because they are humans who wield tremendous power that was never sanctioned by the Constitution. Since then, there have been many executive decisions at all levels of gov’t to sanction police departments that courts everywhere have interpreted as “lawful”. I somewhat begrudgingly accept that.

With police officers being human, I also accept that most of them are decent human beings who have a real desire to do what’s right and make it home alive to their loved ones. I’m sure most of them take their training very seriously since they are relying on years of experience before them that says, “This training is the best available that will save your life.”

I can appreciate your post from the view of, “Hey all you guys that keep dumping on police, do you even know how hard we try to get it right, and even then we get handcuffed by politics?”

Unfortunately, it’s easier to paint all cops because of the actions of one, or a minority of errant, fallible cops.

UnstChem on August 19, 2014 at 4:26 PM

GWB on August 19, 2014 at 4:19 PM

And I’ll just add, the very same people saying the police are being militarized, have no problem whatsoever with government agencies like the Department of Education, the EPA or NOAA having armored vehicles and SWAT teams.

Meople on August 19, 2014 at 4:28 PM

Where’s the DOJ autopsy? Probably the same as the other 2 and Holder is looking to doctor it up…love to see him toast for that.

gracie on August 19, 2014 at 4:33 PM

Would the injury even be that noticeable right after the event like that? Doesn’t tissue take a while to swell and discolor?

Sockpuppet Politic on August 19, 2014 at 2:13 PM

As a kid, I had an injury similar to this on little league field. Another “slung” his bat after hitting at the plate and hit me just under my eye. It almost knocked me unconscios. It swelled some immediately, but that night and the next day….oh boy, what a shiner. My eye completely close and was black and blue under both eyes.

d1carter on August 19, 2014 at 4:41 PM

I thought this was leaked by the DA’s office not the Ferguson PD…? No..?

d1carter on August 19, 2014 at 4:44 PM

Where’s the DOJ autopsy? Probably the same as the other 2 and Holder is looking to doctor it up…love to see him toast for that.

gracie on August 19, 2014 at 4:33 PM

FNC had done one of their ‘alerts’ earlier stating that is was released, but I’m not near the TV to find out more.
:-(

pambi on August 19, 2014 at 4:48 PM

If the officer was injured by Brown, this information should have been released the day of the incident.

If any of this is true, then releasing the information would have stopped any riots from happening in the first place.

Either the police are completely incompetent, absolutely dishonest…..or both.

everdiso on August 19, 2014 at 4:50 PM

If the officer was injured by Brown, this information should have been released the day of the incident.

If any of this is true, then releasing the information would have stopped any riots from happening in the first place.

Either the police are completely incompetent, absolutely dishonest…..or both.

everdiso on August 19, 2014 at 4:50 PM

The (D) Governor, Obama, Holder and every race baiter in the nation WANTED the riots. What makes you think they didn’t?

Obama’s orchestrated every racial inflammatory move that’s been made in this show. From the actions of the (D) Governor, to the selective coverage of the State-Run media.

All planned. All a distraction away from all of Obama’s other “failures”, and all aimed at getting out the black vote in November.

Meople on August 19, 2014 at 4:56 PM

I don’t know AP…why don’t you tell us How Come?

I’ll tell you why, because the kkkops planted that x-ray at the hospital years ago, they also put in place doctors and medical staff that would cover for the kkkops. It took them days to make sure everyone had their story correct.

And fire doesn’t melt STEEEEELLLL…..

HumpBot Salvation on August 19, 2014 at 2:11 PM

Exactly. I CAN’T FIGURE OUT WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO AP (and Steyn)!!!!

How the FREAK are they going to fake a busted skull??????? There would have to be 1/2 a dozen nurses and doctors who would need to be in on it.

So sad. 2 of my favorite right of center bloggers have turned into old barefoot hippies in tie dyes.

BoxHead1 on August 19, 2014 at 4:57 PM

If the officer was injured by Brown, this information should have been released the day of the incident.

If any of this is true, then releasing the information would have stopped any riots from happening in the first place.

Either the police are completely incompetent, absolutely dishonest…..or both.

everdiso on August 19, 2014 at 4:50 PM

It was reported very early on that the officer in question had been treated at the local hospital. The exact nature of his injuries was not released, probably for a variety of reasons. Ever heard of HIPAA?

stvnscott on August 19, 2014 at 5:01 PM

If the officer was injured by Brown, this information should have been released the day of the incident.

If any of this is true, then releasing the information would have stopped any riots from happening in the first place.

Either the police are completely incompetent, absolutely dishonest…..or both.

lester, it’s time for your violin lesson! on August 19, 2014 at 4:50 PM

Wow, must be nice to not have to get up until 4 PM.

Del Dolemonte on August 19, 2014 at 5:04 PM

Meople on August 19, 2014 at 4:26 PM

Wearing camo is unnecessary. Bedecking themselves as if they were going on a sweep of Fallujah is unnecessary. They don’t need to be “up-armored” or to “out-gun” the bad guys.

And I’ll just add, the very same people saying the police are being militarized, have no problem whatsoever with government agencies like the Department of Education, the EPA or NOAA having armored vehicles and SWAT teams.

Meople on August 19, 2014 at 4:28 PM

That’s BS, because I’m saying it, and I have a HUGE problem with those folks even having armed officers, much less military hardware!

Please go read the Peelian Principles and see if these police are abiding by them with their turtle gear.

No, “militarization” is not the real problem in Ferguson. But, violation of the Peelian Principles is rampant in our cities (and definitely at the national level). And the concept of a “standing army” in 1789 was exactly what we’re facing with our current police forces in many places.

GWB on August 19, 2014 at 5:05 PM

Allahpundit, the Piaget Crenshaw video is from too far away and too fuzzy to see that sort of injury. There are other images of him that are a little closer and clearer where one side of his face does look reddened and a bit swollen. No colored bruising (black/blue/green) would show for hours – likely not until the next day, so that wouldn’t be expected or seen in any of the images of him taken in the few hours following the incident, even if the eye orbit were broken fairly severely. The color of a bruise comes from “old” blood, not new hemorrhage.

There are now also reports, supposedly confirmed by multiple official sources, that there are at least 12 eyewitness statements that support the officer’s account of the events. There are also 4 that do not, but those 4 are all contradictory of each other even; one saying Brown was shot in the back (he wasn’t), one that he fell to his knees with arms up (apparently no evidence from autopsy on his knees or shorts that would indicate dropping to his knees), etc. And of course one of those accounts was from his robbery accomplice which would be a questionable source…

And I don’t know what restrictions there are on police departments discussing or releasing information on an ongoing investigation. It seems to me that getting this sort of info out ASAP would have helped minimize the fallout, rioting, etc… but maybe they legally can’t? One thing I DON’T get – it’s my understanding that police incident reports are available to anyone who goes to the station in person – so why in the world haven’t any of the media gotten and released the incident report??

Rational Db8 on August 19, 2014 at 5:05 PM

The (D) Governor, Obama, Holder and every race baiter in the nation WANTED the riots. What makes you think they didn’t?

Obama’s orchestrated every racial inflammatory move that’s been made in this show. From the actions of the (D) Governor, to the selective coverage of the State-Run media.

All planned. All a distraction away from all of Obama’s other “failures”, and all aimed at getting out the black vote in November.

Meople on August 19, 2014 at 4:56 PM

unarmed black kids are shot by police every day.

there was no reason for this one to turn into a disaster – either the cops were in the wrong and have been trying to cover their asses, or they are completely incompetent.

everdiso on August 19, 2014 at 5:06 PM

If the officer was injured by Brown, this information should have been released the day of the incident.

If any of this is true, then releasing the information would have stopped any riots from happening in the first place.

Either the police are completely incompetent, absolutely dishonest…..or both.

everdiso on August 19, 2014 at 4:50 PM

If the police are lying about this then they are insane because this lie is not a “he said she said” lie. So ,if the police go on record about the injury you should believe it because it’s not something you can fake. Or Gateway pundit got 2 bad sources.
Either it’s true or Gateway pundit messed up. We will know soon.

BoxHead1 on August 19, 2014 at 5:07 PM

I seem to remember that most of the malfunctions of the original M16 were from not chroming the barrel as originally designed. Due to expense. The other problem was wrong type of powder used in the ammunition which caused the fouling and jamming. The training the troops got was wrong. They were told the weapons needed very little cleaning. That was wrong and related back to the barrels not being chromed…or something. A little fuzzy on this but early bad rep wasn’t entirely due to training issues. That said a friend of mine from MACV-SOG told me about coming on a squad of grunts that had been ambushed. All the dead were out of ammo. Sprayed and prayed till they ran out and then got overrun. A kid he knew bled out in his arms.

Oldnuke on August 19, 2014 at 4:16 PM

There’s many stories of American troops being killed with their M16 ripped apart trying to clean it. It replaced the M14 in the middle of the war. The M14 didn’t require a whole lot of maintenance. That just kinda proves that any training, especially with firearms, will save lives.

That being said, when they did operate properly, the ratio of hits-to-rounds fired was quite “educational”.

It’s unconstitutional, if not literally, at least in spirit, for any police force, including County Sheriffs, to look or act like military forces.

UnstChem on August 19, 2014 at 4:06 PM

cite?

r keller on August 19, 2014 at 4:11 PM

Kindly pound sand with your supposed “gotcha” question.

The Founders believed the occupation of the British Regulars to be a standing Army and occupying police force since they also prosecuted the law in real-time.

They forbade standing armies when they drafted the Constitution, but allowed “militias” under the 2nd Amendment. Militias are groups of trained men who meet together occasionally to train to fight as an army with military tactics.

They forbade standing Armies because they did not want a repeat of an occupying force trained in military tactics engaged in the policing of their communities.

Police departments today are an occupying force, but they are a necessary evil because we live in the real world, not the one the founders hoped for. Progressives have perverted so much of our communities, that the idea of passing down good morals and allowing self-government with a city constable who only has to work when investigating a few crimes is unrealistic.

When a community gets to point where the cops think they need to act like the military, then the National Guard needs to be called in, which is Constitutional.

UnstChem on August 19, 2014 at 5:11 PM

unarmed black kids are shot by police every day.

there was no reason for this one to turn into a disaster – either the cops were in the wrong and have been trying to cover their asses, or they are completely incompetent.

everdiso on August 19, 2014 at 5:06 PM

That’s exactly what I’m saying. This happens all over the nation every day. Obama and his buddies Sharpton and Jackson selected this shooting to orchestrate another Trayvon circus.

It’s also why many of the “protestors” are all race-baiting PRO’s from out of state.

Meople on August 19, 2014 at 5:13 PM

they lie on August 19, 2014 at 4:03 PM

I took the local county sheriff’s weapons training course for new officers and did additional training with their tactical unit’s weapons officer. I’m a former public defender with extensive experience in the criminal justice system and I’ve never, ever heard of police being trained to shoot to kill. In my experience police are trained to shoot to stop, aiming at center of mass whenever possible because that provides the highest probability of an incapacitating hit. While that shot placement has a relatively high probability of resulting in death, killing isn’t the goal. Ending the threat is the goal. Stopping is the goal.

novaculus on August 19, 2014 at 5:13 PM

If the officer was injured by Brown, this information should have been released the day of the incident.

If any of this is true, then releasing the information would have stopped any riots from happening in the first place.

Either the police are completely incompetent, absolutely dishonest…..or both.

everdiso on August 19, 2014 at 4:50 PM

It was reported very early on that the officer in question had been treated at the local hospital. The exact nature of his injuries was not released, probably for a variety of reasons. Ever heard of HIPAA?

stvnscott on August 19, 2014 at 5:01 PM

Exactly. Police kept close any information about the officer involved because thousands of people in Ferguson want to kill him. If you show his injuries you give them a picture of his face. His first priority was for the safety of himself and his family.

Re stopped any riots from happening, that’s pure speculation. The reports of the earlier robbery should have led the rabble to reconsider the cause of their rioting, but it didn’t. At this point I have to conclude that any release of information will cause more riots.

slickwillie2001 on August 19, 2014 at 5:18 PM

One thing I DON’T get – it’s my understanding that police incident reports are available to anyone who goes to the station in person – so why in the world haven’t any of the media gotten and released the incident report??
Rational Db8 on August 19, 2014 at 5:05 PM

The police department hasn’t released it yet, nor the preliminary autopsy report. As you say, these documents are usually publicly available within a day or two. The fact that they are being withheld just feeds the perception that there is something fishy going on behind the scenes, like the incident report being tailored to be consistent with the autopsy or witness accounts. It’s an unforced error on the part of the police dept.

cam2 on August 19, 2014 at 5:19 PM

Oldnuke on August 19, 2014 at 4:16 PM

The M-16 rifle was designed to have a chrome barrel and use a powder charge that left little residue and some geniuses changed the specs, so the rifles were ordered with plain steel barrels and the ammunition was ordered with a different powder that left a lot more fouling. Anyone familiar with firearms knows that some cleaning would be necessary in any case, and these rifles as issued and using that ammunition needed to be cleaned regularly in that humid environment. Nevertheless the rifles were adopted without sufficient trials and issued without cleaning kits and no training. Part of this clusterf**k was the result of conflicts between McNamara’s whiz kids and the military, who were opposed to the adoption of the M-16.

The results were entirely predictable. Once cleaning kits were issued and troops were trained the problems with the weapon were largely eliminated. The only real design change was the addition of the forward assist so the bolt could be forced into battery if it didn’t fully close after picking up the next round in the magazine.

novaculus on August 19, 2014 at 5:26 PM

Wearing camo is unnecessary. Bedecking themselves as if they were going on a sweep of Fallujah is unnecessary. They don’t need to be “up-armored” or to “out-gun” the bad guys.

GWB on August 19, 2014 at 5:05 PM

The cops wear what they CAN wear within their department guidelines. It’s not always their street uniform blues. And definitely not in a situation where they’re probably working 80 or 100 hour weeks in riot situations.

What do you think, cops have 50 or 75 sets of uniforms in the walk-in closet at home ready to go for riot week?

Don’t have to “outgun” the bad guys? Really? Tell that to the cops that had to respond to the Los Angeles Bank of America shootout, that had to go up against perps that had body armor and AK’s with 100 round drum magazines with their department issued 9mm pistols.

That’s BS, because I’m saying it, and I have a HUGE problem with those folks even having armed officers, much less military hardware!

Please go read the Peelian Principles and see if these police are abiding by them with their turtle gear.

No, “militarization” is not the real problem in Ferguson. But, violation of the Peelian Principles is rampant in our cities (and definitely at the national level). And the concept of a “standing army” in 1789 was exactly what we’re facing with our current police forces in many places.

GWB on August 19, 2014 at 5:05 PM

The leftist race baiters DON’T have any problems with it. You may be the exception but, what I described is the rule.

And do you actually think the local police, and deputies will act against their own families and friends in their communities, at the behest of a lawless “President”?

I don’t.

Meople on August 19, 2014 at 5:28 PM

If the officer was injured by Brown, this information should have been released the day of the incident.

If any of this is true, then releasing the information would have stopped any riots from happening in the first place.

Either the police are completely incompetent, absolutely dishonest…..or both.

everdiso on August 19, 2014 at 4:50 PM

You’re a moron. The information was discussed days after the initial incident..before the riots. The media choose to ignore it. The protestors choose to ignore it.

The protesters were gonna loot and riot, regardless, that’s what they do.

Now pizz off lester.

HumpBot Salvation on August 19, 2014 at 5:30 PM

It was reported very early on that the officer in question had been treated at the local hospital. The exact nature of his injuries was not released, probably for a variety of reasons. Ever heard of HIPAA?

stvnscott on August 19, 2014 at 5:01 PM

That’s what I thought. One of the first articles I read about this case reported that the police in Ferguson were saying that the officer involved in the incident had been treated in a local hospital after the shooting for the injuries he had received to his face.

So this new info. about the fracture shouldn’t come as much of a surprise.

AZCoyote on August 19, 2014 at 5:31 PM

If the officer was injured by Brown, this information should have been released the day of the incident.

If any of this is true, then releasing the information would have stopped any riots from happening in the first place.

Either the police are completely incompetent, absolutely dishonest…..or both.

everdiso on August 19, 2014 at 4:50 PM

DOJ and the Gov were threatening the local PD not to release the convenience store footage claiming that it was character assassination.

Do you really think that they would want any exculpatory evidence released?

Michael ‘The Gentle Giant’ Brown was innocent and assassinated.

Ferguson Police Officer Darren Wilson was a racist honky looking to execute as many black men as possible.

Since the question on the first-degree murder charge has been duly resolved, the only remaining issue for the jury will be why this KKK-wannabe only executed Michael Brown and not the other black man walking close to him, Dorian Johnson.

Resist We Much on August 19, 2014 at 5:32 PM

Jesus, AP! Reuters, LA TIMES, AND NUMEROUS OTHER OUTLETS INCLUDING RAW STORY. HUFFINGTON POST AND MSN REPORTED THAT CHIEF OF POLICE JACKSON REPORTED IN THE FIRST DAYS THAT WILSON WAS INJURED BY BROWN AND TREATED AT A HOSPITAL!

You didn’t bother to even do a basic, rudimentary google search before writing your NONSENSE here!

mountainaires on August 19, 2014 at 5:32 PM

What trial?

Why does everyone keep saying things will come out in a trial?

At what point has someone determined the cop broke the law for a charge to be handed down?

ButterflyDragon on August 19, 2014 at 5:39 PM

If the officer was injured by Brown, this information should have been released the day of the incident.

If any of this is true, then releasing the information would have stopped any riots from happening in the first place.

Either the police are completely incompetent, absolutely dishonest…..or both.

everdiso on August 19, 2014 at 4:50 PM

You’re a moron. The information was discussed days after the initial incident..before the riots. The media choose to ignore it. The protestors choose to ignore it.

The protesters were gonna loot and riot, regardless, that’s what they do.

Now pizz off lester.

HumpBot Salvation on August 19, 2014 at 5:30 PM

When we discussed here the initial reports that the officer had taken a beating, the usual HA trolls said that some other officer “tuned him up” after the fact just to make it look good. You can’t win with the moron demo.

This police report is going to take a lot longer than the closed robbery report that Ferguson PD released because this investigation was taken over by the county, and most of the department is busied up on riot duty.

slickwillie2001 on August 19, 2014 at 5:40 PM

And I’ll just add, the very same people saying the police are being militarized, have no problem whatsoever with government agencies like the Department of Education, the EPA or NOAA having armored vehicles and SWAT teams.

Meople on August 19, 2014 at 4:28 PM

The (D) Governor, Obama, Holder and every race baiter in the nation WANTED the riots. What makes you think they didn’t?

Obama’s orchestrated every racial inflammatory move that’s been made in this show. From the actions of the (D) Governor, to the selective coverage of the State-Run media.

All planned. All a distraction away from all of Obama’s other “failures”, and all aimed at getting out the black vote in November.

Meople on August 19, 2014 at 4:56 PM

I think you need to step away from your keyboard for a while. When someone thinks that EVERYTHING is some diabolical conspiracy gone according to some precise master plan, you are paranoid. (This coming from someone who’s been indoctrinated by his father since before the age of 10 in the Bilderbergers, CFR, and how the Federal Reserve is a private corporation and still thinks Alex Jones is a 100% complete jackass.) If you inject incompetence into at least 50% of what you believe is a conspiracy, you’ll have a good start. Even evil people are human and subject to the laws of the unpredictability of human life.

That’s BS, because I’m saying it, and I have a HUGE problem with those folks even having armed officers, much less military hardware!

Please go read the Peelian Principles and see if these police are abiding by them with their turtle gear.

No, “militarization” is not the real problem in Ferguson. But, violation of the Peelian Principles is rampant in our cities (and definitely at the national level). And the concept of a “standing army” in 1789 was exactly what we’re facing with our current police forces in many places.

GWB on August 19, 2014 at 5:05 PM

Amen brother, amen!

Don’t have to “outgun” the bad guys? Really? Tell that to the cops that had to respond to the Los Angeles Bank of America shootout, that had to go up against perps that had body armor and AK’s with 100 round drum magazines with their department issued 9mm pistols.

Meople on August 19, 2014 at 5:28 PM

That’s what snipers are for. A good police leader, knows when to call in special assets (I begrudgingly accept SWAT units in this) to negotiate a situation without it turning into a military style operation and therefore, “keep the peace”.

And do you actually think the local police, and deputies will act against their own families and friends in their communities, at the behest of a lawless “President”?

I don’t.

Meople on August 19, 2014 at 5:28 PM

With enough progressive propaganda, YES. They’re infallible, f**king human beings dumbass.

UnstChem on August 19, 2014 at 5:40 PM

Geeeze, peeps … These facts weren’t ‘withheld’ for nefarious reasons !!
Perceptions do NOT equal reality .. quit falling for that.

Since the entire incident was explosive (thanks to Brown’s accomplice’s declarations of falsehoods) Wilson not only needed medical treatment, but PROTECTION !!
D’ya think the timing of these revelations might have been dependent upon his entire family being whisked away to safety, first ? Let alone HIM ??

Besides all of that, getting the facts straight FIRST is always wise, regardless, no ???

Just ready to scream, here.
Such utter nonsense in this world, gets to me some days.
Sigh.

pambi on August 19, 2014 at 5:41 PM

unarmed black kids are shot by police every day.

lester, it’s time for your violin lesson! on August 19, 2014 at 5:06 PM

Burden of proof is on you to prove that claim with credible, multi-sourced cite.

We’ll be waiting for you to do so without success.

F-

Del Dolemonte on August 19, 2014 at 5:43 PM

novaculus on August 19, 2014 at 5:13 PM

Deadly force is deadly force. It doesn’t matter if the officer fires one round or six as long as he can justify the initial use of force and they can articulate that it took six rounds to stop the threat.

And grabbing for an officer’s gun is justifiable use of deadly force. It doesn’t matter if that attempt to get the officer’s gun was successful or not, the officer is justified in their response.

Meople on August 19, 2014 at 5:43 PM

The disappointing thing is so many self-styled “conservatives” are willing to believe the worst about the cop and the best about the violent felon. The police are distrusted but Crump and Sharpton are believed.

Steyn and others are losing respect, fast.

I unfollowed a few phonies after they sided with Obama and BLM against Bundy. This incident is going to save me more time on my reading list.

Adjoran on August 19, 2014 at 5:45 PM

That’s what snipers are for. A good police leader, knows when to call in special assets (I begrudgingly accept SWAT units in this) to negotiate a situation without it turning into a military style operation and therefore, “keep the peace”.

Really? And what if your nearest “sniper” is over an hour away on the other side of L.A.? And since you obviously don’t know, I’ll fill you in, the L.A. SWAT team WAS called in, they weren’t able to get to the scene before several officers were already dead and many others severely wounded.

You and people like you are the reason officers are killed in incidents like the one in L.A.

Meople on August 19, 2014 at 5:47 PM

I took the local county sheriff’s weapons training course for new officers and did additional training with their tactical unit’s weapons officer. I’m a former public defender with extensive experience in the criminal justice system and I’ve never, ever heard of police being trained to shoot to kill. In my experience police are trained to shoot to stop, aiming at center of mass whenever possible because that provides the highest probability of an incapacitating hit. While that shot placement has a relatively high probability of resulting in death, killing isn’t the goal. Ending the threat is the goal. Stopping is the goal.

novaculus on August 19, 2014 at 5:13 PM

I was a 3rd generation police officer, now retired. I have heard “shot to kill” 100′s of times. You just won’t find it written in our procedures that way. I have no doubt “they lie” is exactly as he states he is. He also placed in the post to keep shooting until the threat is stopped. Let’s not kid anyone here. We are taught to shoot center mass which theoretically could result in death after the first shot.

Once an officer makes the decision to shoot it means he/she decided to use deadly force. Shoot to kill. It is all just word games to keep people like you calm when discussing this training we received within the Halls of Justice. Lawyers make me sick when they get squeamish about how deadly force is taught. I’ve literally had an ADA get upset with a group of us talking about use of force with her. We all said shoot to kill. Probably just to egg her on some, but in reality it is true.

When we decide to shoot, it is shoot to kill. That doesn’t mean once the subject is stopped and still alive we decide to end their life. It just means that is how we aim. We know death has a high likelihood of happening once we make that decision. None of us wanted it to happen. And none of us would keep purposefully keep shooting once the threat was stopped.

All word games.

Conservative4Ever on August 19, 2014 at 5:49 PM

Also, if bone was fractured, that would not show up immediately. I’ve broken and fractured a few bones and didn’t know it for hours. In one case, the swelling took some 20 minutes to start.
The Rogue Tomato on August 19, 2014 at 4:20 PM

I broke a bone in my hand once…it took a few minutes to realize what I had done to it. And yes, some injuries are noticed immediately and others do take some time to realize.

Newtie and the Beauty on August 19, 2014 at 5:49 PM

I was a 3rd generation police officer, now retired. I have heard “shot to kill” 100′s of times. You just won’t find it written in our procedures that way. I have no doubt “they lie” is exactly as he states he is. He also placed in the post to keep shooting until the threat is stopped. Let’s not kid anyone here. We are taught to shoot center mass which theoretically could result in death after the first shot.

Once an officer makes the decision to shoot it means he/she decided to use deadly force. Shoot to kill. It is all just word games to keep people like you calm when discussing this training we received within the Halls of Justice. Lawyers make me sick when they get squeamish about how deadly force is taught. I’ve literally had an ADA get upset with a group of us talking about use of force with her. We all said shoot to kill. Probably just to egg her on some, but in reality it is true.

When we decide to shoot, it is shoot to kill. That doesn’t mean once the subject is stopped and still alive we decide to end their life. It just means that is how we aim. We know death has a high likelihood of happening once we make that decision. None of us wanted it to happen. And none of us would keep purposefully keep shooting once the threat was stopped.

All word games.

Conservative4Ever on August 19, 2014 at 5:49 PM

Exactly. You said it better than I did though. :)

I seriously want to slap every person I hear say, oh the officer should have just shot them in the leg or something. Morons.

Meople on August 19, 2014 at 5:54 PM

novaculus on August 19, 2014 at 5:13 PM

Deadly force is deadly force. It doesn’t matter if the officer fires one round or six as long as he can justify the initial use of force and they can articulate that it took six rounds to stop the threat.

And grabbing for an officer’s gun is justifiable use of deadly force. It doesn’t matter if that attempt to get the officer’s gun was successful or not, the officer is justified in their response.

Meople on August 19, 2014 at 5:43 PM

Despite my saying Meople was stupid (in a loving way as I would my brother) previously, I have to agree. novaculus obviously doesn’t understand that ‘stopping’ and ‘killing’ aren’t necessarily mutually exclusive.

Stopping another human is inclusive of killing them. If you need to stop someone from committing a felony, killing them is acceptable. However, if you need to kill someone, stopping them isn’t necessary.

UnstChem on August 19, 2014 at 5:54 PM

Hoft also put a report out that a cop was shot the other night, which wasn’t accurate. I can’t be the only one that notices Hoft plays it a little loose and fast sometimes, right?

stldave on August 19, 2014 at 2:21 PM

No, you’re not alone. Hoft has a long history of not vetting his sources.

Seamus on August 19, 2014 at 5:56 PM

Despite my saying Meople was stupid (in a loving way as I would my brother)

ROFL! The funniest thing is I can hear my brother saying that same thing…right before I sock him in the gut. :)

Meople on August 19, 2014 at 5:58 PM

In the days since this incident, more than 30 people have been shot in Chicago, 12 dead, seven of them black “teenagers.”

Just for some perspective.

The fact that all the evidence hasn’t been released is a mystery – to stupid people. In what ongoing case with federal, state, and local investigations pending is all the evidence released to the public?

None, of course, and only an idiot expects it would be.

Adjoran on August 19, 2014 at 6:05 PM

Will Eric Holder investigate the death of the young man that was killed by police today..?

d1carter on August 19, 2014 at 6:08 PM

About the M16, when it was adopted by the Air Force it performed great. McNamara wanted the Army to adopt it so the Army ran it through tests and discovered that the Ammo that shot so well for the Air Force didn’t meet the artic warfare spec of 60 deg. below zero. Naturally the solution was to use powder that developed about 100 fps less velocity and as a side effect left a lot of unburned residue in the barral and vent

halfbaked on August 19, 2014 at 6:10 PM

unarmed black kids are shot by police every day.

lester on August 19, 2014 at 5:06 PM

Good luck proving your Lie!

I just did some research…and not even the Looney Leftists at Mother Jones are making any such stupid claim.

Mother Jones did, however, Lie when they claimed that 4 unarmed black men were “killed by police” in the past month alone. When I went to their story and read the entire thing, it turned out in one case the perp was aiming a rifle at them that later turned out to be a BB rifle. And in another one of those cases, the perp was shot dead by the cops after he tackled the lead officer and immediately grabbed his gun. Both cases are open-and-shut cases of justifiable use of deadly force, except on your Planet of Uranus.

But hey, lester, give it your best shot. Prove to us, with credible and multi-sourced citations that unarmed black kids are shot by cops every day.

Del Dolemonte on August 19, 2014 at 6:15 PM

If any of this is true, then releasing the information would have stopped any riots from happening in the first place.

Either the police are completely incompetent, absolutely dishonest…..or both.

lester on August 19, 2014 at 4:50 PM

Naive with a N.

CW on August 19, 2014 at 6:17 PM

Lester lies. That’s what Lester does…well than and….. I cannot say.

CW on August 19, 2014 at 6:18 PM

AP, They did say that the officer had facial injuries at least a week ago. It is in fact linked at the bottom of the post you link to at Gatway Pundit…

Sgt_H on August 19, 2014 at 6:18 PM

Was the cop injured during his altercation with Michael Brown?

“Cop”?

So, a dead thug, whose actions led to the violent riots / looting that has destroyed the town of Ferguson, gets the respect of having his name posted in headlines, but, Officer Darren Wilson, who risked his life to keep the people of Ferguson safe, does not?

Pork-Chop on August 19, 2014 at 6:23 PM

A busted eye would be the best evidence offered so far that Wilson was dealing with a serious threat to his safety — and yet the cops have said nothing about it. How come?

It seemed odd when they let days go by before releasing the convenience store surveillance video of Brown, but there’s an explanation for that in hindsight.

.

Maybe the answer to “how come?” is that this Media Circus Train hasn’t yet arrived again at Hindsight Station. In other words, just because you can’t come up with a reason doesn’t mean one doesn’t exist.

Example- they don’t want to detail his injuries because they are probably quite distinctive, and may identify him to people that may be inclined to hurt him (I know his name is out there, but that’s not the same thing)

Crap I had more but all that copying and pasting made me thirsty….

Fathom on August 19, 2014 at 6:28 PM

About the M16, when it was adopted by the Air Force it performed great. McNamara wanted the Army to adopt it so the Army ran it through tests and discovered that the Ammo that shot so well for the Air Force didn’t meet the artic warfare spec of 60 deg. below zero. Naturally the solution was to use powder that developed about 100 fps less velocity and as a side effect left a lot of unburned residue in the barral and vent

halfbaked on August 19, 2014 at 6:10 PM

Military intelligence or rather lack of good sense.

The M249 SAW (now LMG) is based on the Belgian SAW, which was an absolutely elegant automatic machine gun. It worked beautifully. When the U.S. military was testing it, some jackass asked the question, “Since the SAW uses the same ammo as the M16, if a SAW gunner runs out of belt ammo, wouldn’t it be a great if he could revert to M16 magazines?”

That led to the addition of a magazine port to the M249 machine gun and the cause of the majority of its malfunctions over the years. Yea!

UnstChem on August 19, 2014 at 6:29 PM

Meople on August 19, 2014 at 4:11 PM

Normally when you are rapid firing a weapon if you are not in a good shooting stance, that is both feet planted square on ground, feet spread apart in semi-crouched position, arms out-sretched and locked in position and both hands gripping weapon tightly with a good line of sight, the weapon is still going to rise slightly from the recoil. You have to consciously hold it down, and the strong hand on the trigger is going to pull the weapon slightly off target to the right unless you have a perfect grip, if you are a right handed person. This is all under ideal conditions with ideal shooting form. I know from experience that in a shooting situation things happen very quickly and you are not in ideal conditions nor ideal form. If you are under less than ideal conditions, the shooter is probably not going to be in the perfect shooting stance, may not have the perfect two handed grasp of the weapon and thus, the gun is going to rise slightly with recoil and the strong hand trigger pull is going to make the shots veer to the left and high. This is exactly what the autopsy report of shots to body looks like to me.

The 35 foot meme is being made because to most people 35 feet sounds like it’s a long ways off. It is slightly over 10 yards. Not very far. First down yardage. Think of a 300lb linesman rushing the QB who drops back five yards from line of scrimmage and the linesman is not blocked. That’s what we have here. Maybe three or four seconds for Brown to reach officer Wilson if Brown is charging him. All these arm chair police shooting experts don’t have a fkg. clue at how fast this whole thing occurred. They also don’t know what it’s like to be fighting for your life. I’ve been there. I know. The training police get in a life/death situation is for them to react instinctively without having to think. Thinking costs precious time when there is no time to be wasted if you want to stay alive.

they lie on August 19, 2014 at 6:47 PM

unarmed black kids are shot by police every day.
 
everdiso on August 19, 2014 at 5:06 PM

 
I don’t think it’s police shooting unarmed black kids every day.

rogerb on August 19, 2014 at 6:52 PM

I hope there are pictures and hospital reports.

Cindy Munford on August 19, 2014 at 7:36 PM

they lie on August 19, 2014 at 6:47 PM

Agree completely. Thanks for your insight and experience.

Meople on August 19, 2014 at 8:05 PM

I agree with “they lie” 100%. This is going to be a race driven Kangaroo court with Holder holding the whip in the center ring.

No way all the evidence is in.

And who will pick the grand jury? Will they be black- of which 80% already think he did it?

or will they be of his peers?

No way Holder lets this “Stacey Koon case” get by him. He and Obama have been looking for this case for six years!!

They think it will reveal the racism that is America. And get more black votes in Nov.

I think the uninterested white and Hispanic voter are going to see that not voting did some serious harm to us.

archer52 on August 19, 2014 at 8:19 PM

Toons of the Day: No 60″ Plasma TV, No Peace!

Resist We Much on August 19, 2014 at 7:03 PM

Fixed mis-formatted link above …

ShainS on August 19, 2014 at 8:22 PM

I agree with “they lie” 100%. This is going to be a race driven Kangaroo court with Holder holding the whip in the center ring.

No way all the evidence is in.

And who will pick the grand jury? Will they be black- of which 80% already think he did it?

or will they be of his peers?

No way Holder lets this “Stacey Koon case” get by him. He and Obama have been looking for this case for six years!!

They think it will reveal the racism that is America. And get more black votes in Nov.

I think the uninterested white and Hispanic voter are going to see that not voting did some serious harm to us.

archer52 on August 19, 2014 at 8:19 PM

IF this goes to a real trial, which I doubt, that will take place long after November. The County Prosecutor has said that if it is taken to a grand jury, that might not even happen for “months”.

slickwillie2001 on August 19, 2014 at 8:27 PM

if he were injured during the fight, there would’ve been a photo released already

my hunch is that he broke his orbital bones only in recent days to create this scenario

nonpartisan on August 19, 2014 at 8:48 PM

if he were injured during the fight, there would’ve been a photo released already

my hunch is that he broke his orbital bones only in recent days to create this scenario

nonpartisan on August 19, 2014 at 8:48 PM

The only hunch you know is from your dog, you reject.

arnold ziffel on August 19, 2014 at 8:51 PM

if he were injured during the fight, there would’ve been a photo released already

my hunch is that he broke his orbital bones only in recent days to create this scenario

nonpartisan on August 19, 2014 at 8:48 PM

Counterfeit

rik on August 19, 2014 at 8:58 PM

if he were injured during the fight, there would’ve been a photo released already

my hunch is that he broke his orbital bones only in recent days to create this scenario

nonpartisan on August 19, 2014 at 8:48 PM

Let me guess….you think his wife did this to him to help him cover it up?

Conservative4Ever on August 19, 2014 at 9:08 PM

Let me guess….you think his wife did this to him to help him cover it up?

Conservative4Ever on August 19, 2014 at 9:08 PM

I have no idea how he did it…I would guess he prob did it himself to minimize any possible leakage

nonpartisan on August 19, 2014 at 9:17 PM

I have no idea how he did it…I would guess he prob did it himself to minimize any possible leakage

nonpartisan on August 19, 2014 at 9:17 PM

Yes, and 9/11 was an Inside Job.

sentinelrules on August 19, 2014 at 9:21 PM

Yes, and 9/11 was an Inside Job.

sentinelrules on August 19, 2014 at 9:21 PM

don’t make a red herring

1) this cop had no visible injury in the video; had he had a broken orbital socket, he would’ve had a severe black eye

2) if this injury was real, a photo would’ve surfaced

3) why did it take over a week for info about this injury to surface….kinda suspicious huh. prob the time it took spent behind the doors with lawyers to craft the most believable story

4) if mike brown punched him so hard it broke his orbital, mike brown’s fist would be bruised and damaged and that would’ve come out of the autopsy

I’m no genius, but I can piece 2 and 2 together to realize something doesnt smell right about this story

nonpartisan on August 19, 2014 at 9:25 PM

novaculus on August 19, 2014 at 5:13 PM

I think we are talking about the same thing. Shoot to kill, shoot to stop the threat, which is shoot for center mass, or head which is what all LEO’s are trained to do, equates to shoot to kill. They are not taught to shoot to wound and the discussion is never about shooting to wound. You don’t always stop the threat with a wounded suspect. You do stop the threat with a dead suspect. And you are trained to stop shooting when the threat is down and is no longer a threat. When the range officer went over the targets in our agency, the holes in the target were talked about in terms of that was a “kill” shot, meaning it was a shot that in all likelihood resulted in death and stopped the threat. Police officers know that if they hit center mass, especially that small circled 5X area on the torso target, not the torso, it is usually going to result in death, and that is why they are reluctant to shoot unless their life is in danger. Most police officers would prefer to shoot for the head, definitely a shoot to kill shot, but it presents a smaller target. At the 7 yard line target, many officers went for the head shot on the target and were proud of hitting it when they did. They were proud because they knew in a real shoot situation, if they got a head shot the threat was definitely eliminated. And that’s the object.I doubt that a police officer under cross examination would ever respond that he shot to kill the suspect. And I’m sure the DA would not want him to testify to that. His answer would be that he shot to stop the threat. In practical terms, it’s the meaning of what is is. So, maybe I used a poor choice of words to convey what is officially a shoot to stop the threat policy, but is in all practical purposes a shoot to kill training program.

they lie on August 19, 2014 at 9:30 PM

1) this cop had no visible injury in the video; had he had a broken orbital socket, he would’ve had a severe black eye

Video was from 100 feet away and a black eye takes days to develop.

2) if this injury was real, a photo would’ve surfaced

Why? Has Brown’s autopsy videos been released?

3) why did it take over a week for info about this injury to surface….kinda suspicious huh. prob the time it took spent behind the doors with lawyers to craft the most believable story

Any proof to your assertion? it took 10 months for information about Zimmerman’s back head injuries to be released. And this information is not a official release, but a leak.

4) if mike brown punched him so hard it broke his orbital, mike brown’s fist would be bruised and damaged and that would’ve come out of the autopsy

Actually, a better indication are skin flake samples and DNA taken from the officer.

I’m no genius, but I can piece 2 and 2 together to realize something doesnt smell right about this story

nonpartisan on August 19, 2014 at 9:25 PM

With over dozen black witnesses now corroborating the officer’s story, the police officer should be cleared quickly.

sentinelrules on August 19, 2014 at 9:34 PM

my hunch is that he broke his orbital bones only in recent days to create this scenario

nonintelligent on August 19, 2014 at 8:48 PM

Wow! I saw Colonel Flagg do that in countless classic episodes of M*A*S*H.

Any one of my sundials is more intelligent than you are.

FAIL

Del Dolemonte on August 19, 2014 at 9:45 PM

I’m no genius

nonintelligent on August 19, 2014 at 9:25 PM

PASS

Del Dolemonte on August 19, 2014 at 9:47 PM

unarmed black kids are shot by police every day.

everdiso on August 19, 2014 at 5:06 PM

‘Cuz, like, um, ya know, ‘unarmed’ = non-dangerous

‘Unarmed’ Black Man Kills White Man with One Punch in Las Vegas C@sino

‘Unarmed’ Black Man Murders White Man With Single Punch In Hate Crime In NYC

‘Unarmed’ 17 year old black kills white man with a punch to the head

Resist We Much on August 19, 2014 at 9:59 PM

my hunch is that he broke his orbital bones only in recent days to create this scenario
nonpartisan on August 19, 2014 at 8:48 PM

Dang, I was wrong.
I predicted that you would post that very thing by 1PM.

What… Did you have to work a double shift at Popeye’s?
(Or is it Taco Bell, I forget.)

LegendHasIt on August 19, 2014 at 10:41 PM

if he were injured during the fight, there would’ve been a photo released already

my hunch is that he broke his orbital bones only in recent days to create this scenario

nonpartisan on August 19, 2014 at 8:48 PM

You will meet your fate, no worries. It ain’t gon’ end the way you think it will. You will recall this.

Schadenfreude on August 19, 2014 at 11:21 PM

I’m no genius

nonpartisan on August 19, 2014 at 9:25 PM

We know

freedom of speech is not carte blance for offensive speech, lest you have no problems with me building a giant pen-is float and entering that into the next parade
nonpartisan on July 14, 2014 at 9:57 PM

Schadenfreude on August 20, 2014 at 12:18 AM

The 35 foot meme is being made because to most people 35 feet sounds like it’s a long ways off. It is slightly over 10 yards. Not very far. First down yardage. Think of a 300lb linesman rushing the QB who drops back five yards from line of scrimmage and the linesman is not blocked. That’s what we have here. Maybe three or four seconds for Brown to reach officer Wilson if Brown is charging him. All these arm chair police shooting experts don’t have a fkg. clue at how fast this whole thing occurred. They also don’t know what it’s like to be fighting for your life. I’ve been there. I know. The training police get in a life/death situation is for them to react instinctively without having to think. Thinking costs precious time when there is no time to be wasted if you want to stay alive.

they lie on August 19, 2014 at 6:47 PM

Actually, it’s not even that long.

To play football at the college level, even a slow player has to run a 40 yard sprint in five seconds. So he should cover 35 feet in under two seconds.

Since he had already hit the officer and grabbed for his gun, he was clearly a deadly threat coming toward him, and immediate action was required.

Those who say six shots are excessive are nuts. That’s what it took to bring the big thug down.

Adjoran on August 20, 2014 at 12:19 AM

I’m no genius

nonpartisan on August 19, 2014 at 9:25 PM

Writing this was completely unnecessary. Nobody here thinks otherwise.

corkie on August 20, 2014 at 12:50 AM

The injury to the officer, if correct, will be corroborated. If not, it won’t. What in the world are we doing going into rank speculate mode again about something that’s going to be subject to medical proof? This is getting ridiculous… if it already wasn’t.

I’m thinking Allah might be better off reporting the “he said” and “she said” and leaving the “yeah, but maybe A and if not, then maybe not A” spin dance he seems to be unable to resist.

IndieDogg on August 20, 2014 at 1:16 AM

A busted eye would be the best evidence offered so far that Wilson was dealing with a serious threat to his safety — and yet the cops have said nothing about it. How come?

These kinds of questions, whenever they come up, are really irritating. The police are not a PR firm. Their main concern right now is that Darren Wilson is facing prosecution. Why would they release any piece of information that can avoid releasing before Darren’s trial?

The early release of exculpatory information could have negative consequences to Darren Wilson’s legal defense.

TallDave on August 20, 2014 at 8:18 AM

1) 6 shots – 5 didn’t stop the “gentle giant”. It took 6. When the “gentle giant” was stopped, the officer stopped shooting.
2) Left Orbital Blowout – My understanding is the left side (driver window side) of the officers face was crushed with a single blow. This is usually done with a right punch. The “Gentle Giant” was shot at least 4 times in his right arm. One would conclude that he was throwing punches with the right arm BEFORE it was shot 4 times.
3) Prosecute before investigation – Gov. Nixon wants a vigorous prosecution before we know the facts and before the grand jury looks at it. Who else should we hold to this standard? Lerner? Tavenar? Holder? Hillary?

barnone on August 20, 2014 at 11:13 AM

Was the cop injured during his altercation with Michael Brown?

It doesn’t matter if he was injured. Brown did not try to kill the cop, and the cop used lethal force against a unarmed fleeing suspect who only turned around and charged the cop after he was being shot at. That is murder. The cop could have let him run and had him arrested later.

earlgrey on August 20, 2014 at 1:03 PM

I’m guessing that maybe the police didn’t want to try their case in the media, they were waiting for the case to come to court?

CherDash on November 19, 2014 at 8:19 PM

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