Two shot, 31 arrested overnight in Ferguson

posted at 8:01 am on August 19, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

The removal of the curfew by Gov. Jay Nixon and the arrival of the National Guard didn’t improve matters in Ferguson overnight. Police deployed teargas and arrested 31 people as protestors filled the streets, while two people were shot — although not by police. According to Captain Ron Johnson, who has been in command on the ground, police never fired a shot, even though they were under “heavy fire” during the night:

“What had begun as a calm evening and a standoff between cops and some demonstrators … turned in a flash, and smoke bombs and tear gas were thrown at the crowds to disperse the crowd,” she said. “The crowd started rushing back. I happened to see the smoke bombs or tear gas being thrown in both directions because some of the demonstrators actually picked up what was thrown at them and threw them back at police.”

Capt. Ron Johnson of the Missouri Highway Patrol, who is in charge of security in Ferguson, said officers didn’t fire a single bullet “despite coming under heavy attack.” He said four St. Louis County police officers were hit by rocks and bottles and sustained injury. He said “criminals” in the crowd fired shots and threw Molotov cocktails at officers.

“These criminal acts came from a tiny minority of lawbreakers,” Johnson said. “But anyone who has been at these protests understands that there is a dangerous dynamic in the night. It allows a small number of violent agitators to hide in the crowd and then attempt to create chaos.”

As of 2 a.m. Tuesday, 31 people had been arrested, some of whom came as far away as new York and California, Johnson said. Police also said two people were shot, but police officers weren’t involved in those incidents, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reported.

The Post-Dispatch also reported on the weapons confiscated by police during the night, which included a couple of handguns and a Molotov cocktail. Johnson asked Ferguson residents to restrict their protests to daylight hours so that police could deal with the “violent agitators” from outside the community who are exploiting the situation:

Johnson said the weapons were confiscated from “violent agitators” who were using other peaceful protests as “cover” to cause conflicts with police.

“This nation is watching each and every one of us,” said Johnson, who was visibly angry and emotional during the news conference. “I am not going to let the criminals that have come here from across this country, or live in this neighborhood, define this community.”

He had a few words for reporters, too, who had a few words in return:

Johnson also lectured reporters at the scene, telling them they were interfering with police and putting themselves in danger by failing to immediately clear areas when asked to by officers. He also implored reporters to “not glamorize the acts of criminals.”

Some reporters at the news conference pushed back, saying he was infringing on their ability to do their jobs by asking them to stay separate from protesters.

The National Guard troops that arrived in Ferguson yesterday did not take part in the police effort last night. The Washington Post’s Emily Badger wonders whether they’ve become obsolete in the era of a more militarized police presence:

When the National Guard arrived in Oxford, in Little Rock, in DetroitLos Angeles and New Orleans, its presence and the message that traveled with it was instantly clear.

“Whether it was the Vietnam riots, the Civil Rights era, it made an impression when the National Guard showed up,” says Michael D. Doubler, a historian and retired Army officer who has written a definitive history of the National Guard. “They were different. They had different capabilities. They looked different.”

Today, as the Missouri National Guard deploys to the St. Louis suburb of Ferguson, where protesters and police have clashed nightly since the shooting last week of an unarmed black teen by a white officer, the distinctions are less apparent. This assignment, requested early Monday by Missouri Governor Jay Nixon (D), sits squarely within the traditional mission of the National Guard., even as the public has come to better recognize this part-time force for its full-time roles in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The domestic environment that the Guard enters in Ferguson, though, has changed. The local police now look an awful lot more like the military. And the situation on the ground already resembles a conflict in the late stages of law enforcement escalation. If the National Guard is supposed to bring the power, equipment and gravity of the military, it looks as if it’s already there.

“When the National Guard shows up in this domestic role, it is a sign to people in the local community that a higher authority is exerting its power here, whether it be the governor or the president, and hopefully now we’re going to get all this sorted out. That’s a very important thing,” Doubler says. “I hope we haven’t lost that.”

The difference is the authority level more than the heightened capabilities. The National Guard’s thunder may have been partially stolen by the previous arrival of the Missouri Highway Patrol, which also operates under the authority of the governor. The issue in both cases was to assert a higher authority than the city and county levels, which had lost the confidence of local residents. There is still plenty of value in that escalation, but only insofar as local residents have confidence in the governor to restore order and justice in all directions.

Unfortunately,that doesn’t appear to be the case so far, perhaps in no small part because it may not be locals who are causing the problems. Until they can end the magnet that’s attracting agitators from around the country to exploit the situation and perpetuate it for their own ends, the actual people of Ferguson will be in for a long nightmare, and the longer it goes the less confidence they will have in law enforcement at any level.


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Simple question for the trolls:

Is that black police officer racist or not?

CurtZHP on August 19, 2014 at 8:03 AM

Time to start cracking some skulls….

BallisticBob on August 19, 2014 at 8:05 AM

Hey Ed. Are you “moderating” my posts? Because they seem to making a trip to data heaven.

Walter L. Newton on August 19, 2014 at 8:06 AM

two people were shot, but police officers weren’t involved in those incidents

Were the people doing the shooting racists?

CurtZHP on August 19, 2014 at 8:06 AM

Time to start cracking some skulls….

BallisticBob on August 19, 2014 at 8:05 AM

That would be a deterrent to a lot of the people coming in from out of town. So would the national media going away and not shining a spotlight on this.

Doughboy on August 19, 2014 at 8:07 AM

Police deployed teargas and arrested 31 people as protestors filled the streets, while two people were shot — although not by police.

How come the four officers that were injured by rocks and bottles were left off the tally for last night?

Happy Nomad on August 19, 2014 at 8:08 AM

For all the storm and fury, in reality we are a nation of 300 million and 99.9 are just shrugging our shoulders at this nonsense.

rob verdi on August 19, 2014 at 8:09 AM

It won’t stop until the investigation is completed methinks

cmsinaz on August 19, 2014 at 8:09 AM

The National Guard troops that arrived in Ferguson yesterday did not take part in the police effort last night. The Washington Post’s Emily Badger wonders whether they’ve become obsolete in the era of a more militarized police presence:

No. The National Guard has the training to USE the military equipment they have. And most of them are combat veterans at this point. Give an ill trained city cop a M16 and all you have is an ill trained city cop with a M16 (and likely eager to use it).

The civilian police forces should never be allowed arms and equipment the citizens of their community cannot also own.

ConstantineXI on August 19, 2014 at 8:09 AM

That would be a deterrent to a lot of the people coming in from out of town. So would the national media going away and not shining a spotlight on this.

Doughboy on August 19, 2014 at 8:07 AM

I disagree. That’s exactly what these out-of-town community organizers want. And the media want it too. You’ve heard the old adage “If it bleeds, it leads.” None of them want to pass up the sight of someone’s bloody face on TV, and the chaos to follow.

CurtZHP on August 19, 2014 at 8:10 AM

It won’t stop until the investigation is completed methinks

cmsinaz on August 19, 2014 at 8:09 AM

That won’t stop it either. When the convenience store video came out, people wasted no time screeching that it was “photoshopped.”

CurtZHP on August 19, 2014 at 8:12 AM

I disagree. That’s exactly what these out-of-town community organizers want. And the media want it too. You’ve heard the old adage “If it bleeds, it leads.” None of them want to pass up the sight of someone’s bloody face on TV, and the chaos to follow.

CurtZHP on August 19, 2014 at 8:10 AM

Well the people of that community need to decide. Do they want the cops and National Guard getting control of the situation or would they rather they stand there and be spectators as their town is looted and burned to the ground?

Doughboy on August 19, 2014 at 8:13 AM

It won’t stop until the investigation is completed methinks

cmsinaz on August 19, 2014 at 8:09 AM

The animals of Ferguson aren’t going to stop looting and rioting until the white cop is lynched regardless of the evidence. Which I believe is going to favor the cop.

The National Guard should have been called in the moment this all started. Marching out the Civilian Defense Corpse with all their pretty gear and bluster didn’t help, especially when they paid more attention to protestors and reporters than they did actual rioters (The Civilian Defense Corpse won’t risk so much as a hangnail).

ConstantineXI on August 19, 2014 at 8:13 AM

Hey Ed. Are you “moderating” my posts? Because they seem to making a trip to data heaven.

Walter L. Newton on August 19, 2014 at 8:06 AM

You’re using language that trips our filters. I approved one and deleted another, because we don’t need “crossposting” of comments, especially those with questionable language.

Ed Morrissey on August 19, 2014 at 8:13 AM

IMO I firmly believe there are people in the group other than the citizens of Ferguson and the police who are start this. Just my opinion, I think both sides of this are tired, want to go back to their lives, but the baiters on both sides won’t let it go.

itsspideyman on August 19, 2014 at 8:14 AM

Simple question for the trolls:

Is that black police officer racist or not?

CurtZHP on August 19, 2014 at 8:03 AM

At one point white people should stop giving a f*** about being called racists by the blacks racists and white liberal racists… Just tell them to f*** off…

mnjg on August 19, 2014 at 8:15 AM

starting this….

itsspideyman on August 19, 2014 at 8:15 AM

People are rioting and shooting each other. Must be the Police’s fault. Just like Vietnam was the soldiers fault.

Yeah, right.

Let the police do their job. Let ‘em round up the thugs and lock ‘em up. I don’t care what color their skin is.

Enabling this uncivilized behavior just, well, enables the thugs.

Lawrence on August 19, 2014 at 8:16 AM

IMO I firmly believe there are people in the group other than the citizens of Ferguson and the police who are start this. Just my opinion, I think both sides of this are tired, want to go back to their lives, but the baiters on both sides won’t let it go.

itsspideyman on August 19, 2014 at 8:14 AM

If I’m not mistaken, they said on the news that the new school year has already been pushed back a week thanks to the chaos in the streets. And the no-fly zone is still in enforcement.

Doughboy on August 19, 2014 at 8:18 AM

The arrests will do more to defuse the riots and looting than anything else. There have been outside agitators doing their best to keep things stirred up since the beginning.

And the New Black Panther Party is a big part of that problem. Maybe the biggest. They try to give the impression that they’re providing order, but they’re stirring up the trouble in the first place.

There Goes the Neighborhood on August 19, 2014 at 8:19 AM

True curt

Good point Constantine

cmsinaz on August 19, 2014 at 8:22 AM

IMO I firmly believe there are people in the group other than the citizens of Ferguson and the police who are start this. Just my opinion, I think both sides of this are tired, want to go back to their lives, but the baiters on both sides won’t let it go.

itsspideyman on August 19, 2014 at 8:14 AM

Agitators seek agitation, not calmness.

Obama shows the same thing every time he speaks, he seeks agitation, not conclusion. If we solve problems the agitators are out of a job.

ConstantineXI on August 19, 2014 at 8:22 AM

There have been outside agitators doing their best to keep things stirred up since the beginning.

And the New Black Panther Party is a big part of that problem. Maybe the biggest. They try to give the impression that they’re providing order, but they’re stirring up the trouble in the first place.

There Goes the Neighborhood on August 19, 2014 at 8:19 AM

As the cops are rounding up these outside community organizers, I wonder if it would be legal to deny extradition. They want to come there and start sh-t, make ‘em stay!

CurtZHP on August 19, 2014 at 8:23 AM

but the baiters on both sides won’t let it go.

itsspideyman on August 19, 2014 at 8:14 AM

Um, I think the rioters and looters have most of the master baiters.

Fallon on August 19, 2014 at 8:23 AM

The smugness bordering on arrogance of Captain Ron Johnson seems to have disappeared. I guess he figured out that merely walking with the protesters wasn’t going to change the reality.

Happy Nomad on August 19, 2014 at 8:25 AM

So, based on other reportss, Brown was the first (fatal?) police shooting in Ferguson.

Presumably many other black men have been shot, mostly by other black men.

More are being shot in the riots-not by the police-presumably by other black men.

Can someone try to gt the facts out through the media? Is here any hope the facts will calm the situation or do the rioters just want to riot?

talkingpoints on August 19, 2014 at 8:29 AM

You’re using language that trips our filters. I approved one and deleted another, because we don’t need “crossposting” of comments, especially those with questionable language.

Ed Morrissey on August 19, 2014 at 8:13 AM

Got it.

Walter L. Newton on August 19, 2014 at 8:29 AM

but the baiters on both sides won’t let it go.

itsspideyman on August 19, 2014 at 8:14 AM

Sharpton, Jackson, the family lawyers and the media in general immediately sprinb to mind.

talkingpoints on August 19, 2014 at 8:31 AM

According to Captain Ron Johnson, who has been in command on the ground, police never fired a shot, even though they were under “heavy fire” during the night:

Dumb. When under fire, return fire.

Stoic Patriot on August 19, 2014 at 8:31 AM

As the cops are rounding up these outside community organizers, I wonder if it would be legal to deny extradition. They want to come there and start sh-t, make ‘em stay!

CurtZHP on August 19, 2014 at 8:23 AM

Sharpton should have been put away decades ago for inciting riots.

ConstantineXI on August 19, 2014 at 8:34 AM

REPORTER: More than dozen witnesses confirm Ferguson cop’s version of shooting…

Resist We Much on August 19, 2014 at 8:33 AM

If that’s so true, then why doesn’t the Ferguson Police Department release those names so the rioters can harass them?

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Walter L. Newton on August 19, 2014 at 8:35 AM

According to Captain Ron Johnson, who has been in command on the ground, police never fired a shot, even though they were under “heavy fire” during the night:

Dumb. When under fire, return fire.

Stoic Patriot on August 19, 2014 at 8:31 AM

Exactly. When under fire you have a right to return fire…

ConstantineXI on August 19, 2014 at 8:35 AM

At this point, maybe it’s time to re-instate the curfew—INCLUDING THE CAMERAS AND MEDIA. Turn off the “exposure”. (fifteen minutes of fame), and I’d bet more than half of the criminal element, (those who are damaging and looting the community), would fade into the darkness/climb back under their rocks where they belong.

Justice, (for all), will only prevail when a civil society stops allowing the criminals to control the theater/surroundings. Until the majority of the folks in Ferguson demand that the looters, and those who would do damage to the community STOP and go home, little will change.

Rovin on August 19, 2014 at 8:35 AM

Simple question for the trolls:

Is that black police officer racist or not?

CurtZHP on August 19, 2014 at 8:03 AM

Answer=Yes. He’s obviously either an “Uncle Tom” or a “White-Black” -probably both, which makes him a bigger racist.

MistyLane on August 19, 2014 at 8:35 AM

Holder will spread calm and bring light to the citizens of Fergeson.

The seas will begin to recede and peace will rule the land.

NOT!

Kuffar on August 19, 2014 at 8:35 AM

They try to give the impression that they’re providing order, but they’re stirring up the trouble in the first place.

You have just described the entire Obama administration, including his spouse.

jangle12 on August 19, 2014 at 8:36 AM

How’s that sweet-talkin’ “reach out to the community” crap working out for ya?

dpduq on August 19, 2014 at 8:37 AM

The arrests will do more to defuse the riots and looting than anything else. There have been outside agitators doing their best to keep things stirred up since the beginning.

And the New Black Panther Party is a big part of that problem. Maybe the biggest. They try to give the impression that they’re providing order, but they’re stirring up the trouble in the first place.

There Goes the Neighborhood on August 19, 2014 at 8:19 AM

It depends on who gets busted. Gangboys aren’t nearly as critical to “deconfliction” as the guys stirring things up. They can be spotted because of slogans, Fearless Leader styling, and the fact that about the time you get them to the station there’s an ACLU lawyer there with a writ of habeas corpus and a demand for release on own recognizance.

As for the NBPP, they’re trying to create a “liberated area”, as per guerrilla warfare doctrine. They saw it work in LA following the Rodney King incident, with the city government essentially ceding control of about a third of the city to the gangs. Give them some credit; taking over part of St. Louis is a victory from a strategic standpoint, since it has essentially controlled transport of goods through that part of the country for nearly a century and a half. The potential for graft alone is stupendous.

Still, the NBP seem to be mainly trying to relive the glory days of the Sixties antiwar movement and the Seventies “Black Power” movement, right down to the rhetoric. I dealt with the original Panthers in the Seventies, and other than their belligerent ignorance of practically everything, once you subtracted their penchant for violence against defenseless people their main attributes were their talent for wearing black leather jackets and black berets, posing with automatic weapons, grimacing theatrically, and looking tough.

Intimidation works like that, even if it isn’t really backed up by anything. That is, until someone calls their bluff.

clear ether

eon

eon on August 19, 2014 at 8:38 AM

Loved the comment in the story about the press feeling like police are keeping them from doing their jobs.

1. When in the last 2 decades, have the press ever done “their jobs” (other than the random Sharyl Atikisson)?

2. What is “their jobs” in this instance? It seems to me it’s about stirring the pot, glamorizing and inciting the violence and “race war”. F-them

MistyLane on August 19, 2014 at 8:38 AM

Agitators seek agitation, not calmness.

Obama shows the same thing every time he speaks, he seeks agitation, not conclusion. If we solve problems the agitators are out of a job.

ConstantineXI on August 19, 2014 at 8:22 AM

Bingo. Yeah, our Attorney General is going to calm the waters, right.

Sharpton, Jackson, the family lawyers and the media in general immediately sprinb to mind.

talkingpoints on August 19, 2014 at 8:31 AM

Same here.

itsspideyman on August 19, 2014 at 8:39 AM

If the cops can intimidate rioters and looters with their mere scary presence without firing a shot, well and good. BTW, good job last night with keeping the protesters marching along. A lot of them look like they’ve been to too many fried chicken picnics and need the exercise. Mooch still has a lot of work to do.

Kissmygrits on August 19, 2014 at 8:39 AM

All this over some cigars….?

Maybe we need to have them covered by ObamaCare too….

Fluck…..white courtesy phone…

Electrongod on August 19, 2014 at 8:43 AM

It won’t stop until the investigation is completed methinks

cmsinaz on August 19, 2014 at 8:09 AM

I doubt that. I live in the area (2 miles from all of this, but not in the actual Ferguson city limits) and at first the mother was all “no violence” and then the mother and father got Crump as their lawyer and had Al Sharpton come in and while saying “no violence” the father wore his No Justice No Peace shirt 2 days in a row at 2 different press conferences for everyone to see.

Then the mother was on Fox News yesterday saying that peace won’t come until the officer is in jail. So the family is saying no violence, but they are loving this.

MobileVideoEngineer on August 19, 2014 at 8:45 AM

MSM did a good job whipping this up by reporting falsehoods and rumors and using word choices designed to inflame.

“Journalists” have blood on their hands – again.

forest on August 19, 2014 at 8:45 AM

The arrests will do more to defuse the riots and looting than anything else. There have been outside agitators doing their best to keep things stirred up since the beginning.

And the New Black Panther Party is a big part of that problem. Maybe the biggest. They try to give the impression that they’re providing order, but they’re stirring up the trouble in the first place.

There Goes the Neighborhood on August 19, 2014 at 8:19 AM

It depends on who gets busted. Gangboys aren’t nearly as critical to “deconfliction” as the guys stirring things up. They can be spotted because of slogans, Fearless Leader styling, and the fact that about the time you get them to the station there’s an ACLU lawyer there with a writ of habeas corpus and a demand for release on own recognizance.

As for the NBPP, they’re trying to create a “liberated area”, as per guerrilla warfare doctrine. They saw it work in LA following the Rodney King incident, with the city government essentially ceding control of about a third of the city to the gangs. Give them some credit; taking over part of St. Louis is a victory from a strategic standpoint, since it has essentially controlled transport of goods through that part of the country for nearly a century and a half. The potential for graft alone is stupendous.

Still, the NBP seem to be mainly trying to relive the glory days of the Sixties antiwar movement and the Seventies “Black Power” movement, right down to the rhetoric. I dealt with the original Panthers in the Seventies, and other than their belligerent ignorance of practically everything, once you subtracted their penchant for violence against defenseless people their main attributes were their talent for wearing black leather jackets and black berets, posing with automatic weapons, grimacing theatrically, and looking tough.

Intimidation works like that, even if it isn’t really backed up by anything. That is, until someone calls their bluff.

clear ether

eon

eon on August 19, 2014 at 8:38 AM

It starts with arresting those caught using weapons and Molotov cocktails. Keep that up, and sooner or later you’re going to start getting the pople inciting the riots.

Once you’ve arrested a significant number of the NBPP caught red-handed, you can deflate their claims to be a force for law and order. They’re basically thugs, and jail is the proper cure.

As it is now, you have the NBPP inserting themselves into press conferences as if they were legitimate authority. THAT needs to stop.

There Goes the Neighborhood on August 19, 2014 at 8:45 AM

Ferguson crime statisitcs show only 18 murders total since 2000. All those signs about stop killing young black men are total BS, at least with regard to Ferguson. The statisitcs in general aren’t terrible-it’s mostly theft that is higher than average.

This whole thing was a ginned up protest by Sharpton and his ilk that has gotten out of control.

They should go try to stop the black killings in Chicago or Detroit or DC.

This is sad. This could have happened almost anywhere from a shooting standpoint-it was clearly a one-off-not a systemic problem-and now a bunch of outsiders have come in and taken over Ferguson and are destroying it.

talkingpoints on August 19, 2014 at 8:46 AM

NBC News headline: Michael Brown Protests in Ferguson Hijacked by ‘Criminals’: Cops

Out-of-town criminals are inciting violence and hijacking peaceful protests in Ferguson, police said early Tuesday, with officers coming under “heavy gunfire” in the Missouri town.

Chaos once again broke out overnight in the St. Louis suburb where Michael Brown was fatally shot by police on August 9. Capt. Ron Johnson of the Missouri State Highway Patrol noted that the night had begun with calm and orderly protests. However, bottles were later thrown and police came under “heavy gunfire,” he said.

For the rest of the article
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/michael-brown-shooting/michael-brown-protests-ferguson-hijacked-criminals-cops-n183671

SC.Charlie on August 19, 2014 at 8:47 AM

Unfortunately,that doesn’t appear to be the case so far, perhaps in no small part because it may not be locals who are causing the problems.

Something the press should have been looking into rather than fomenting the violence. Thirty-one were arrested last night. The arrest are public information. Where do these people live, Ferguson or elsewhere?

The only job the press is doing here is to cause problems.

Dusty on August 19, 2014 at 8:48 AM

+1 rovin

cmsinaz on August 19, 2014 at 8:50 AM

This is sad. This could have happened almost anywhere from a shooting standpoint-it was clearly a one-off-not a systemic problem-and now a bunch of outsiders have come in and taken over Ferguson and are destroying it.

talkingpoints on August 19, 2014 at 8:46 AM

If what has been released, and the corroborating witnesses to the police officer’s account hold true, Michael Brown not only deserved to be shot down, he NEEDED to be shot down. He was destined for death by police officer, and it is fortunate that it happened before HE had murdered anyone.

As I have said, we got to where we are today because of piss poor leadership in the police department and city coupled with a feral population. In many ways both the police and the population of Ferguson brought this on themselves.

I heard on the news on the way to work that the violence is starting to spread to other St. Louis suburbs around Ferguson. The end result is going to be great damage to the St. Louis metro area, I expect what population that can WILL flee soon as they can.

ConstantineXI on August 19, 2014 at 8:53 AM

Some reporters at the news conference pushed back, saying he was infringing on their ability to do their jobs by asking them to stay separate from protesters

I see the reporters have taken a page from the Hamas book: mingle with the population so when a police officer/national guardsman accidentally shoots a news person, they become the news. A reporter’s Holy Grail moment. I can see the screaming headlines now: “Cop Shoots Innocent Reporter”.

conservative educator on August 19, 2014 at 8:53 AM

“Party time! Excellent!”

These people do nothing all day. They look forward to breaking the law at night for relief.

Deckard BR on August 19, 2014 at 8:55 AM

Something the press should have been looking into rather than fomenting the violence. Thirty-one were arrested last night. The arrest are public information. Where do these people live, Ferguson or elsewhere?

The only job the press is doing here is to cause problems.

Dusty on August 19, 2014 at 8:48 AM

The WP had an article this morning that identified some of those from out of town as Occupy Movement members.

Walter L. Newton on August 19, 2014 at 8:55 AM

As it is now, you have the NBPP inserting themselves into press conferences as if they were legitimate authority. THAT needs to stop.

There Goes the Neighborhood on August 19, 2014 at 8:45 AM

The NBPP is a terrorist organization, but they are Eric Witholder’s “muzzie bros”, he loves them.

ConstantineXI on August 19, 2014 at 8:56 AM

Ferguson crime statisitcs show only 18 murders total since 2000. All those signs about stop killing young black men are total BS, at least with regard to Ferguson. The statisitcs in general aren’t terrible-it’s mostly theft that is higher than average.

This whole thing was a ginned up protest by Sharpton and his ilk that has gotten out of control.

They should go try to stop the black killings in Chicago or Detroit or DC.

This is sad. This could have happened almost anywhere from a shooting standpoint-it was clearly a one-off-not a systemic problem-and now a bunch of outsiders have come in and taken over Ferguson and are destroying it.

talkingpoints on August 19, 2014 at 8:46 AM

My wife and I live just outside of the Ferguson limits and have been here since 2009 and up until now we haven’t felt unsafe in the least. Given our location we don’t need to go into Ferguson proper that often, although there were a few restaurants that we went to quite often that are in the same shopping center as the Shoe Carnival that was looted and the closest K-mart to us is the one that was looted. Also we just tried out the Ferguson Brewing Company for the first time a little over a month ago and it was really good.

After this though, I have no desire to shop in Ferguson again. I know it’s not the shop owners’ fault, but there are too many other areas around us that have the same or similar stores and they are only an extra few miles at the most. We’ll go to Florissant or Bridgeton before we go to Ferguson.

MobileVideoEngineer on August 19, 2014 at 8:59 AM

“Party time! Excellent!”

These people do nothing all day. They look forward to breaking the law at night for relief.

Deckard BR on August 19, 2014 at 8:55 AM

When you don’t have to work all day to earn the food you eat, you have plenty of energy to make mischief by night.

I will say again, the fundamental problem in Ferguson and all other such areas is morally bankrupt black culture. Couple that with an out of control government that thinks civilian police forces having armored vehicles, body armor, and battle rifles on the streets is just fine, and you get a powderkeg that is DESTINED to explode in every city in America.

No one has the courage to speak of that though.

ConstantineXI on August 19, 2014 at 9:00 AM

It’ll always happen when you try to reason with people who are incapeable of reasoning.

RdLake on August 19, 2014 at 9:01 AM

As it is now, you have the NBPP inserting themselves into press conferences as if they were legitimate authority. THAT needs to stop.

There Goes the Neighborhood on August 19, 2014 at 8:45 AM

Damn right-wing terrorists!

SPLC Names New Black Panther Malik Zulu Shabazz to Its ‘Radical Right’ Activist List

Resist We Much on August 19, 2014 at 9:03 AM

I can see the screaming headlines now: “Cop Shoots Innocent Reporter”.

conservative educator on August 19, 2014 at 8:53 AM

Eason Jordan redux—”U.S. Military Targeting Journalist”—a completely false story which got him fired from CNN.

Rovin on August 19, 2014 at 9:05 AM

SPLC Names New Black Panther Malik Zulu Shabazz to Its ‘Radical Right’ Activist List

Resist We Much on August 19, 2014 at 9:03 AM

Wow… just.. wow… How can anyone argue with a straight face that the NBPP is a right wing organization?

ConstantineXI on August 19, 2014 at 9:11 AM

As the cops are rounding up these outside community organizers, I wonder if it would be legal to deny extradition. They want to come there and start sh-t, make ‘em stay!

CurtZHP on August 19, 2014 at 8:23 AM

It’s a small town where most people know or recognize each other.It shouldn’t be too hard to filter out the outsiders.The citizens of Ferguson need to start doing that job.

docflash on August 19, 2014 at 9:11 AM

As it is now, you have the NBPP inserting themselves into press conferences as if they were legitimate authority. THAT needs to stop.

There Goes the Neighborhood on August 19, 2014 at 8:45 AM

Damn right-wing terrorists!

SPLC Names New Black Panther Malik Zulu Shabazz to Its ‘Radical Right’ Activist List

Resist We Much on August 19, 2014 at 9:03 AM

The SPLC is a hate group. Everything is whitey’s righty’s fault!

Even if it’s a left-wing radical group, it’s still right-wing to the SPLC.

There Goes the Neighborhood on August 19, 2014 at 9:13 AM

Ferguson is compound stupid. It’s depressing to see comprehensive idiocy taking over what had been the ‘last best hope for man on earth’. We need a true leader with a solution. Someone like president Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho.

forest on August 19, 2014 at 9:14 AM

It’s a small town where most people know or recognize each other.It shouldn’t be too hard to filter out the outsiders.The citizens of Ferguson need to start doing that job.

docflash on August 19, 2014 at 9:11 AM

A majority of the outsiders are from National Media.

airupthere on August 19, 2014 at 9:14 AM

No. The National Guard has the training to USE the military equipment they have. And most of them are combat veterans at this point. Give an ill trained city cop a M16 and all you have is an ill trained city cop with a M16 (and likely eager to use it).

Constantine,

Don’t you think police officers get training in the use of these weapons? Anyone can be trained in the safe and judicious use of a firearm. Why are police special in that they are assumed to be incompetent?? Although, I do agree that I wish I could buy an MP5 just like they can!!! :)

JinVA on August 19, 2014 at 9:17 AM

You’re using language that trips our filters. I approved one and deleted another, because we don’t need “crossposting” of comments, especially those with questionable language.

Ed Morrissey on August 19, 2014 at 8:13 AM

Is that similar to cross dressing?

txdoc on August 19, 2014 at 9:20 AM

[MistyLane on August 19, 2014 at 8:38 AM]

Same here, MistyLane. Their stories are biased, misleading and often inciteful. Often you can’t get through a single sentence of a story with noticing their biases. One example of one their worst abuses is calling Brown a teenager. While Brown was technically still in his teen years, the was not a teenager. He was an adult. The infantilizing of Brown, as they did with Martin, was for no other purpose than to take sides and portray the side they opposed in a bad light. This borders on the criminal.

Here’s an ignorant, but alos likely biased example from the story excepted in Ed’s post:

“This assignment, requested early Monday by Missouri Governor Jay Nixon (D), sits squarely within the traditional mission of the National Guard.,”

Please tell me this ignorant writer doesn’t know that Nixon is commander in chief of the Missouri National Guard. CinC’s don’t request missions they order missions. You don’t see them writing that Obama requested the Air Force bomb ISIS or asked Special Forces to take a trip to Iraq. Clearly, the writer’s intent is to diminish both the status o the Governor and the mission the National Guard received from him.

Dusty on August 19, 2014 at 9:21 AM

Is here any hope the facts will calm the situation or do the rioters just want to riot?

talkingpoints on August 19, 2014 at 8:29 AM

That’s a rhetorical question, right?

Syzygy on August 19, 2014 at 9:23 AM

Shots fired …

But, how many violent thugs did the police eliminate? None.

MUST. DO. BETTER.

Pork-Chop on August 19, 2014 at 9:26 AM

How come the four officers that were injured by rocks and bottles were left off the tally for last night?
Happy Nomad on August 19, 2014 at 8:08 AM

You certainly wouldn’t learn from the HA editors that a bunch of cops were also injured over the weekend in Ferguson either. Shame, considering Ed risked legal troubles to report on corruption in Canada back in the day when Canada imposed a media blackout on the corruption. Nowthey just parrot the mainstream without much critical analysis for fear of being branded raaacist. I learn more from the commenters here than the pundits. Shame.

AH_C on August 19, 2014 at 9:26 AM

The lsm are doing their best to get the whole black community riled up across the country.

Fortunately it may be too late in the summer with school starting to have this devolve into a major race riot a la Rodney King.

Hopefully it won’t metastasize to other decrepit cities like Newark, Detroit LA etc. I’m sure there are ‘community organizers’ in those places just itching to have their own lootin’ and burnin’ parties.

txdoc on August 19, 2014 at 9:29 AM

We need a true leader with a solution. Someone like president Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho.

forest on August 19, 2014 at 9:14 AM

Well I’m just Not Sure about that.

Oldnuke on August 19, 2014 at 9:33 AM

Unfortunately,that doesn’t appear to be the case so far, perhaps in no small part because it may not be locals who are causing the problems.

WaPo from Drudge

Bmore on August 19, 2014 at 9:33 AM

Oakland based anarchists slavering to start a race war.

Jaibones on August 19, 2014 at 9:35 AM

Constantine,

Don’t you think police officers get training in the use of these weapons? Anyone can be trained in the safe and judicious use of a firearm. Why are police special in that they are assumed to be incompetent?? Although, I do agree that I wish I could buy an MP5 just like they can!!! :)

JinVA on August 19, 2014 at 9:17 AM

I know first hand that SWAT Corpse in my area have M16′s and receive no special training in them, other than getting some range practice.

There are no uniform standards for the training of militarized police. There are, however, fairly uniform standards for training the National Guard (they have to, after all, meet military standards for training and fitness).

I don’t think it can be argued that a suburb’s SWAT “soldier” doesn’t have FAR LESS training in tactics, equipment, and combat situations than a National Guardsman.

ConstantineXI on August 19, 2014 at 9:35 AM

Water cannons would be very effective in the streets.

Rottweilers inside the stores after hours would probably make looters think twice….or think for the first time.

JetBlast on August 19, 2014 at 9:37 AM

All this over some cigars….?

Maybe we need to have them covered by ObamaCare too….

Fluck Lewinsky…..white courtesy phone…

Electrongod on August 19, 2014 at 8:43 AM

HumpBot Salvation on August 19, 2014 at 9:41 AM

Damn, so Capt. Ron Johnson must really be a racist huh?

ToddPA on August 19, 2014 at 9:43 AM

[Walter L. Newton on August 19, 2014 at 8:55 AM]

Good for the WP. The WP seems to be maturing into a more serious, thoughtful and unbiased paper which, by my reckoning, appears to have shown through when they brought the Volokh Conspiracy into their fold.

Dusty on August 19, 2014 at 9:44 AM

The removal of the curfew by Gov. Jay Nixon and the arrival of the National Guard didn’t improve matters in Ferguson overnight.

Of course it didn’t.

Now every HA writer *except* Jazz probably needs to pen a quick, “whoops, I was an idiot – the militarized police weren’t the problem after all” column.

Midas on August 19, 2014 at 9:47 AM

I’d like to see someone post the names and hometowns of those who have been arrested. Local news papers could use some local connection to the national story. If they have a local who was arrested, they could go out and badger that person and their relatives for stories. Besides then the locals would know who the losers are in their community and the ones who would most likely loot your store when you aren’t looking.

Dusty on August 19, 2014 at 9:49 AM

sharpton and holder got their wish this time, police arrested zimmerman so they couldn’t really push a riot.
this time it was the police involved so they could push riots.

dmacleo on August 19, 2014 at 9:54 AM

DeAndre Smith, fresh from looting the QuikTrip on a recent night, told reporters: “I’m proud of us. We deserve this, and this is what’s supposed to happen when there’s injustice in your community. St. Louis — not going to take this anymore.”

Jason58 on August 19, 2014 at 9:55 AM

“I want to say this to my president: I voted for you, so you ought to able to meet with me.”
Michael Brown’s Grandfather

Jason58 on August 19, 2014 at 9:58 AM

The smugness bordering on arrogance of Captain Ron Johnson seems to have disappeared. I guess he figured out that merely walking with the protesters wasn’t going to change the reality.

Happy Nomad on August 19, 2014 at 8:25 AM

Hasn’t it? The Ferguson PD must be laughing at him now.

I do believe it is his inconsistency that has led to prolonging the unrest amongst ‘his people’ in ‘his town’.

WhirledPeas on August 19, 2014 at 10:00 AM

Michael Brown’s Grandfather

Take up golf.

WhirledPeas on August 19, 2014 at 10:01 AM

Facts always controvert the statist/racist storyline.

At this time in our history, any narrative involving racialism as a motivator to behavior is almost bound to be a distortion or an outright fabrication.

Ferguson is just the latest example of this. Hardly one single assertion by the media or the racialists turns out to be true.

The incessant beating of the Big Racist Drum is deafening, and this during a time in our history when examples of overt white racism are so few and far between racialists are forced to talk about racism too small to see with the naked eye, invent dog-whistles and assert the existence of unconscious white privilege.

It must feel consoling to the losers in the black population to find such a convenient and external reason for their own f*d up existence, but don’t the successful and the hard-working blacks feel ashamed to ascribe all the power over their lives to whites?

Dolce Far Niente on August 19, 2014 at 10:05 AM

The lsm are doing their best to get the whole black community riled up across the country. [...]

txdoc on August 19, 2014 at 9:29 AM

The LSM are the second biggest threat to our freedom, exceeded only by the federal government. I’d have to put edu-tainment a close third.

bofh on August 19, 2014 at 10:07 AM

So Michael Brown’s “mother” and “father” showed up on TV today. Where have they been? Why was his grandmother (little bitty lady who must not have been able to control his conduct either) left in charge? So big MikeMike is left to his own volition for years….great….I guess it was just a matter of time and the timing was right for Obama and Holder to take advantage and pretend they are doing something for the Black community. We are going backwards.

gracie on August 19, 2014 at 10:33 AM

IOW, we’ve tried it the Lefties’ way, now let’s use the way that works.

formwiz on August 19, 2014 at 10:57 AM

I would not be surprised if the majority of white protesters are Occupy Wall Street people. These dolts believe they are the vanguard of some revolutionary movement, and every pimple-faced deodorant-free freegan thinks himself V.I. Lenin. Nice to see they are still using black folk as patsies to their ends. That’s the Leftist way going back to the 1910′s.

TarasBulbous on August 19, 2014 at 11:01 AM

Holder and Obama think the real threat to American security is not looting crowds of yoots shooting each other those people are just “expressing frustration” – instead it’s NRA members and people who complain about high taxes.

Tom C on August 19, 2014 at 11:15 AM

According to Captain Ron Johnson, who has been in command on the ground, police never fired a shot, even though they were under “heavy fire” during the night:

Dumb. When under fire, return fire.

Stoic Patriot on August 19, 2014 at 8:31 AM

Exactly. When under fire you have a right to return fire…

ConstantineXI on August 19, 2014 at 8:35 AM

Police last night were identifying troublemakers, either those with guns or those identified to them as troublemakers by the good-organizer line, and rushing them with a line of thirty or so officers with guns drawn on them, quickly forming into a circle around them to isolate them from the rest of the ‘protesters’.

The troublemaker in that situation quickly surrendered and was taken into custody. The police then quickly pulled back and resumed a lower profile. This cycle was repeated many times. It seemed to work.

slickwillie2001 on August 19, 2014 at 11:16 AM

Yet we’re racists for calling a spade a spade. (Son-of-a…)

UnstChem on August 19, 2014 at 11:20 AM

I know first hand that SWAT Corpse in my area have M16′s and receive no special training in them, other than getting some range practice.

ConstantineXI on August 19, 2014 at 9:35 AM

You seem to think the M16 is some complex piece of hardware. It’s not. It’s a semi-automatic (one trigger squeeze – one round) rifle that has automatic capabilities. I used an M16 in the service. First time I had ever held a rifle and qualified as a marksman (one step above qualifying). It’s not rocket science. If someone can shoot a rifle, he/she can shoot an M16. Range practice is all you need.

Mitoch55 on August 19, 2014 at 11:23 AM

I would not be surprised if the majority of white protesters are Occupy Wall Street people. These dolts believe they are the vanguard of some revolutionary movement, and every pimple-faced deodorant-free freegan thinks himself V.I. Lenin. Nice to see they are still using black folk as patsies to their ends. That’s the Leftist way going back to the 1910′s.

TarasBulbous on August 19, 2014 at 11:01 AM

Once upon a time it used to be standard practice during periods of civil unrest to infiltrate a few civilian clothed cops into the movement and report on what the bad guys were planning or doing. I don’t get the feeling that this is now being done.

If you take out the rabble-rousers, the movement collapses.

Special Forces Grunt on August 19, 2014 at 11:48 AM

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