St. Louis reporter: Police claim more than a dozen witnesses support the cop’s account of the Michael Brown shooting

posted at 11:21 am on August 19, 2014 by Allahpundit

A story is coming at the Post-Dispatch, I assume, but for now this is all we have.

The only public interview I’ve seen with someone who supports Darren Wilson’s version of the shooting was Dana Loesch’s chat with “Josie,” and Josie wasn’t a witness. She claimed to be relaying Wilson’s own account of what happened. But then, go figure that locals who saw the shooting and think Brown wasn’t as innocent as he’s been portrayed might want to avoid cameras with their neighbors rioting nightly for the past week. One question as we wait for Byers’s story is whether the witnesses who have spoken to cops support Wilson’s story (via Josie) in its entirety or just select details. E.g., maybe they saw Brown mouthing off to Wilson when he told him and Dorian Johnson to get out of the street. Maybe they saw some sort of scuffle through the driver’s window between Brown and Wilson when the latter pulled up alongside. Maybe they saw him run from Wilson, then turn back. Did they see him “bum-rush” Wilson, though? A witness who corroborates Wilson on the first three points but not on the crucial last one isn’t going to help the case for self-defense much.

Meanwhile, a question regarding the protests: Is it true, as protesters have been telling the media, that the most violent actors are out-of-towners who came to Ferguson to stir things up and maybe grab some free stuff in the process? There’s no way to know exact percentages, says WaPo, but yeah, there’s definitely some “looting tourism” happening:

They are known here as “the militants” — a faction inhabiting the hard-core end of a spectrum that includes online organizers and opportunistic looters — and their numbers have been growing with the severity of their tactics since the shooting…

Some of the men are from the area — Ferguson or surrounding towns also defined in part by the gulf separating the mostly white law enforcement agencies from a mistrusting African American public. Many others — it is hard to quantify the percentage — have arrived by bus and by car from Chicago, Detroit, Brooklyn and elsewhere

“We are jobless men, and this is our job now — getting justice,” [one "militant"] said. “If that means violence, that’s okay by me. They’ve been doing this to us for years.”…

Ferguson police officials would not quantify how many looters have been arrested since the Brown shooting but presented a Washington Post reporter with a stack of roughly 50 arrest reports. While some of those arrested for stealing are from Ferguson, a large number have addresses listed in Illinois or in Texas.

It’s not just looters and people enraged over the Brown shooting. Marc Lamont Hill, who was there with CNN last night, blamed left-wing radicals for antagonizing the cops. (There was also a guy carrying an “ISIS Here”(!) banner behind Jake Tapper at one point.) My first instinct reading that was that it’s good news. Eventually the out-of-towners will give up, go home, and the situation will calm down. But what if, as this drags on night after night, it ends up attracting more out-of-towners, more “jobless men” with nothing to lose? Every day raises the odds that someone will fire a gun at the cops from the crowd and then we’ll have a scene much darker than the teargas theater that’s been playing out over the last week. In fact, as the demonstrations get more violent, it may be that the locals will start staying home to keep out of harm’s way, leaving the crowds smaller but nastier, increasingly comprised of those fidgety out-of-towners. What happens then?

Via the Corner, here’s Malik Shabazz of Black Lawyers for Justice telling Tapper he thinks the violent protesters are “plants.” Gosh, I wonder who he thinks planted them.


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What do you think would happen to you if you shot dead an unarmed person?

earlgrey on August 19, 2014 at 1:45 PM

Legal precedent is already well-established in the case of a police officer being in fear of his life. Deadly force is always justifiable in cases like that, and the courts have repeatedly confirmed that.

And in the case of civilians, many of them have also been exonerated by the legal system for doing the same thing.

F-

Now, howzabout you try and giving my simple question a spin. Can you answer it?

Why did the Ferguson cop decide to “murder” his victim?

Take your time.

Del Dolemonte on August 19, 2014 at 1:55 PM

Sunday night the thugs shot a civilian to draw the police in…then fired on the police when they came in to retrieve the wounded.
d1carter on August 19, 2014 at 11:34 AM

Gee, I wonder who drew the short straw for THAT sacrifice…

Newtie and the Beauty on August 19, 2014 at 1:55 PM

Backup arrived within three minutes according to Ferguson police. SOP was Wilson should have remained in his car until they arrived. Instead he got out and shot Brown dead.

ezspirit on August 19, 2014 at 1:51 PM

What’s the SOP when a suspect ignores your call to freeze and then bum-rushes you to inflict more bodily harm?

HumpBot Salvation on August 19, 2014 at 1:56 PM

Del Dolemonte on August 19, 2014 at 1:32 PM

I remember that incident.

Seems they have a lot of violent thugs in that area. Not a great spot to visit.

dogsoldier on August 19, 2014 at 1:57 PM

I can’t wait until they get a lot more black police officers hired there, ya know, to better “represent” the populace. /sarc

LOL. I caught the sarc. But experience has shown that even when black police officers are used they are treated as WHITE TOOLS. “Uncle Toms” doing “Mr. Charlie’s” “dirty work”. Therefore even if a black officer shoots a black thug, “Charlie” still gets the blame because he was directing the “Uncle Tom”..

MaiDee on August 19, 2014 at 1:57 PM

SOP was Wilson should have remained in his car until they arrived. Instead he got out and shot Brown dead.

ezspirit on August 19, 2014 at 1:51 PM

I suppose that’s the part on which he’s most vulnerable if it is SOP for all similar. situations

butch on August 19, 2014 at 1:57 PM

With two crucial differences. The assailant here was nowhere near the size of Brown and backup arrived very quickly.

Rocks on August 19, 2014 at 12:52 PM

Backup arrived within three minutes according to Ferguson police. SOP was Wilson should have remained in his car until they arrived. Instead he got out and shot Brown dead.

ezspirit on August 19, 2014 at 1:51 PM

Tell us why he would ruin his life and his career by doing such a thing. Why did he suddenly decide to “murder” Brown?

Take your time.

Del Dolemonte on August 19, 2014 at 1:57 PM

What do you think would happen to you if you shot dead an unarmed person?

earlgrey on August 19, 2014 at 1:45 PM

Brown was armed. With two of them, of which he used to fracture the eye socket of the cop. Two of them, of which he attempted to take the gun from the cop and execute him with it.

HumpBot Salvation on August 19, 2014 at 1:58 PM

And we can trust the dirty Fe[s]guson cops who have a long history of abuse and who lied about the robbery being reported, and have tried to smear Brown in the press. Meanwhile no charges have been pressed against the cop who murdered an unarmed 18 year old boy.

The protests in Ferguson should not stop until that cop is charged with murder and jailed.

earlgrey on August 19, 2014 at 12:58 PM

I would give anything to see you say that to a 300 lb. 6’3″ black man. You would be picking yourself off the ground wondering what freight train had just hit you.

fbcmusicman on August 19, 2014 at 1:59 PM

Backup arrived within three minutes according to Ferguson police. SOP was Wilson should have remained in his car until they arrived. Instead he got out and shot Brown dead.

ezspirit on August 19, 2014 at 1:51 PM

What’s the SOP when a suspect ignores your call to freeze and then bum-rushes you to inflict more bodily harm?

HumpBot Salvation on August 19, 2014 at 1:56 PM

Don’t confuse the Unit with Facts. It is not programmed to respond in that area!

Del Dolemonte on August 19, 2014 at 1:59 PM

Backup arrived within three minutes according to Ferguson police. SOP was Wilson should have remained in his car until they arrived. Instead he got out and shot Brown dead.

ezspirit on August 19, 2014 at 1:51 PM

Um…… yeah. I think it’s a lot more complicated story than the one you are trying to peddle of a cop, bored with waiting for back-up, getting out and arbitrarily gunning down a precious snowflake that was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Happy Nomad on August 19, 2014 at 1:59 PM

This is the Free Shit Army, come to take what “we owe them”, in the name of “justice”.

Get used to it, this is just the preview for the main event. When the EBT runs out, and the checks stop coming, this will be Everytown, USA.

captnjoe on August 19, 2014 at 2:00 PM

Missouri law essentially says that deadly force can be used if a felony suspect is fleeing. Brown had just committed a felony, even if he hadn’t come back charging, the officer had the right to shoot, especially since Brown had just fractured his eye socket.

MobileVideoEngineer on August 19, 2014 at 2:00 PM

Tell us why he would ruin his life and his career by doing such a thing. Why did he suddenly decide to “murder” Brown?

Take your time.

Del Dolemonte on August 19, 2014 at 1:57 PM

Gee Del, I guess the guy was just really sick of being in law enforcement and want to end his career in a really high-profile way so his life and the lives of his family members could be in danger for the rest of their days.

HumpBot Salvation on August 19, 2014 at 2:00 PM

Backup arrived within three minutes according to Ferguson police. SOP was Wilson should have remained in his car until they arrived. Instead he got out and shot Brown dead.

ezspirit on August 19, 2014 at 1:51 PM

You have a link for Ferguson PD’s official SOP?

tanked59 on August 19, 2014 at 2:01 PM

Well if Wilson’s eye socket was broken there should be one helluva post-incident photograph that hasn’t been released yet. Why haven’t they released it yet?
Harbingeing on August 19, 2014 at 11:52 AM

Dey be photoshop dat, yo…

Newtie and the Beauty on August 19, 2014 at 2:01 PM

ezspirit on August 19, 2014 at 1:51 PM

read the MO statues.Wilson was well within his rights to do what he did particularly when the man rushed him….whether it took 1 bullet or 6…looked like MikeMike was into terrorizing the neighborhood, too. Ask that little Pakistani guy…too scared to speak tho because of guys like big Mike Brown.

gracie on August 19, 2014 at 2:01 PM

Sunday night the thugs shot a civilian to draw the police in…then fired on the police when they came in to retrieve the wounded.
d1carter on August 19, 2014 at 11:34 AM

Gee, I wonder who drew the short straw for THAT sacrifice…

Newtie and the Beauty on August 19, 2014 at 1:55 PM

Well for all the pearl clutching about the fate of two pajamaboys, you’d guess that the victim was a member of the media.

Happy Nomad on August 19, 2014 at 2:02 PM

HumpBot Salvation on August 19, 2014 at 1:58 PM

Felony assault on a police officer with a closed fist and intent to cause grave bodily harm.

He wasn’t inviting Wilson over for tea and biscuits.

dogsoldier on August 19, 2014 at 2:04 PM

Tell us why he would ruin his life and his career by doing such a thing. Why did he suddenly decide to “murder” Brown?

Take your time.

Del Dolemonte on August 19, 2014 at 1:57 PM

Gee Del, I guess the guy was just really sick of being in law enforcement and want to end his career in a really high-profile way so his life and the lives of his family members could be in danger for the rest of their days.

HumpBot Salvation on August 19, 2014 at 2:00 PM

I asked several of our other trolls that same thing last night. nonpartisan replied that the cop must have been having a bad day.

Del Dolemonte on August 19, 2014 at 2:08 PM

ezspirit on August 19, 2014 at 1:51 PM

read the MO statues.Wilson was well within his rights to do what he did particularly when the man rushed him….whether it took 1 bullet or 6…looked like MikeMike was into terrorizing the neighborhood, too. Ask that little Pakistani guy…too scared to speak tho because of guys like big Mike Brown.

gracie on August 19, 2014 at 2:01 PM

The relevant part of the Missouri Statute:

3. A law enforcement officer in effecting an arrest or in preventing an escape from custody is justified in using deadly force only

(1) When such is authorized under other sections of this chapter; or

(2) When he reasonably believes that such use of deadly force is immediately necessary to effect the arrest and also reasonably believes that the person to be arrested

(a) Has committed or attempted to commit a felony; or

(b) Is attempting to escape by use of a deadly weapon; or

(c) May otherwise endanger life or inflict serious physical injury unless arrested without delay.

4. The defendant shall have the burden of injecting the issue of justification under this section.

Del Dolemonte on August 19, 2014 at 2:12 PM

I asked several of our other trolls that same thing last night. nonpartisan replied that the cop must have been having a bad day.

Del Dolemonte on August 19, 2014 at 2:08 PM

Well, I’d agree with that – given that his eye socket had just gotten fractured by Mama’s little angel Mikey.

dentarthurdent on August 19, 2014 at 2:13 PM

Of course! And we can trust the dirty Feguson cops who have a long history of abuse and who lied about the robbery being reported, and have tried to smear Brown in the press. Meanwhile no charges have been pressed against the cop who murdered an unarmed 18 year old boy.
The protests in Ferguson should not stop until that cop is charged with murder and jailed.
earlgrey on August 19, 2014 at 12:58 PM

Johnson’s (the perp, not the MO Hwy Patrol chief) narrative is falling faster than a house of cards, yet all you can do is derp your way into what you perceive as relevance.

Newtie and the Beauty on August 19, 2014 at 2:20 PM

That is due process. What do you think would happen to you if you shot dead an unarmed person?
earlgrey on August 19, 2014 at 1:45 PM

Let’s start with an autopsy of the decedent and a full investigation into the circumstances, including statements by the witnesses, before determining if charges are in order, shall we?

Newtie and the Beauty on August 19, 2014 at 2:26 PM

Backup arrived within three minutes according to Ferguson police. SOP was Wilson should have remained in his car until they arrived. Instead he got out and shot Brown dead.
ezspirit on August 19, 2014 at 1:51 PM

When seconds matter, the police can be minutes away…

Newtie and the Beauty on August 19, 2014 at 2:27 PM

Well for all the pearl clutching about the fate of two pajamaboys, you’d guess that the victim was a member of the media.
Happy Nomad on August 19, 2014 at 2:02 PM

Those pearls looked better on Andrea Mitchell anyway…

Newtie and the Beauty on August 19, 2014 at 2:33 PM

I wasn’t around, but did blacks riot when Weather Underground member, Kathy Boudin, MURDER IN COLD BLOOD Nyack, New York, Police Officer Waverly Brown, an African-American father of three, small children?

She also murdered Sergeant Edward J. O’Grady, Jr, a decorated Vietnam Veteran, husband, and father of three children. She also murdered Brinks Security Guard Peter Paige, a dedicated husband, father, and decorated veteran of the Navy. Of course, they were both white, so no biggee. They were just ‘sacrifices for justice and peace’ or something!

But, back to Waverly ‘Chipper’ Brown. Did blacks stage protests when ‘Dr Kathy Boudin’ got out of prison early and received a 6-figure teaching position at New York University School of Law — something that none of Brown’s children will never, ever attain — all because she was a radical cop-killer?

Resist We Much on August 19, 2014 at 1:15 PM

I think Boudin should still be in prison – but what does her case and that incident have to do at all with the situation in Ferguson?
I just can’t see what point you’re trying to make here.
If you think that the only thing that led to these protests was Brown being shot, then you’re not even being serious.
If during some altercation, the police shoot and kill some white banker at a Starbucks in Midtown today, will you understand why that neighborhood doesn’t break out in protests?

verbaluce on August 19, 2014 at 2:42 PM

Backup arrived within three minutes according to Ferguson police. SOP was Wilson should have remained in his car until they arrived. Instead he got out and shot Brown dead.

ezspirit on August 19, 2014 at 1:51 PM

Not if you’re attacked.

UnstChem on August 19, 2014 at 2:44 PM

CNN reporting another officer-involved-shooting in Ferguson about 3 miles from scene of Michael Brown. Officer not hurt, 1 fatality. Here we go…

NightmareOnKStreet on August 19, 2014 at 2:45 PM

Backup arrived within three minutes according to Ferguson police. SOP was Wilson should have remained in his car until they arrived. Instead he got out and shot Brown dead.

ezspirit on August 19, 2014 at 1:51 PM

Recycled new narrative. It worked so well with Zimmerman.

“He should have stayed in his vehicle!”

UnstChem on August 19, 2014 at 2:46 PM

Backup arrived within three minutes according to Ferguson police. SOP was Wilson should have remained in his car until they arrived. Instead he got out and shot Brown dead.

ezspirit on August 19, 2014 at 1:51 PM

Not if you’re attacked.

UnstChem on August 19, 2014 at 2:44 PM

If indeed that is the case, I just hope it isn’t some creative definition of the word ‘attacked’.

verbaluce on August 19, 2014 at 2:51 PM

BREAKING REPORT: Officer Darren Wilson Suffered “Orbital Blowout Fracture to Eye Socket” During Mike Brown Attack

A blowout fracture is a very specific injury – it is NOT a fracture of the heavily reinforced rim of the eye socket or adjacent cheekbone, and generally has a rather specific cause.

Think of the eyeball (globe) as a scoop of ice-cream sitting in a cone (the eye socket is conical in shape). A direct impact ON THE EYEBALL AND NOT THE RIM will force the globe deeper into the cone, and if there is a weak spot in the wall deeper in the cone, it will shatter, decompressing the globe. Otherwise, the globe itself will burst. In fact, there is a paper-thin area of the floor of the orbit, about 1/2″ behind the rim, that separates the orbit from the hollow maxillary (cheek) sinus below it, and typically this is fractured downwards by the hydraulic force of the globe.

The classical medical illustrations for production of a blow-out fracture show either a fist or a baseball (hardball) directly impacting the globe, compressing it into the orbit. Anything larger will hit the rim (which may or may not fracture) and anything smaller will probably penetrate and rupture the globe.

The implication of this fracture is that Officer Wilson was struck directly in the eye with a fist; it is less likely to have been produced by a blunter or less well-aimed strike.

bofh on August 19, 2014 at 2:58 PM

Resist We Much on August 19, 2014 at 1:15 PM

I think Boudin should still be in prison – but what does her case and that incident have to do at all with the situation in Ferguson?
I just can’t see what point you’re trying to make here.
If you think that the only thing that led to these protests was Brown being shot, then you’re not even being serious.
If during some altercation, the police shoot and kill some white banker at a Starbucks in Midtown today, will you understand why that neighborhood doesn’t break out in protests?

verbaluce on August 19, 2014 at 2:42 PM

You know what the point is, but are being obtuse about it because you don’t want to consider the point. It means you’re belief system is a failure, but we know this.

But just to put it in black and white, it is about consistency. The only black people you and your liberal brethren care about are ones you can exploit.

If you and your liberal brethren cared about black people, you’d have made d*mned sure Boudin would have been lucky to get a job at Mickey D’s never mind the life she has.

If you and your liberal brethren cared about black people, you’d be continually rioting in Chicago.

If you and your liberal brethren cared about black people, you wouldn’t have cheerfully sent them to the government plantation owner and would have demanded the best from each person to their capabilities instead of rotting on welfare.

But no, the only good black person to you and your liberal brethren are ones that can be victimized and exploited.

That’s the point. You’re welcome.

kim roy on August 19, 2014 at 3:18 PM

crud. your, not you’re

kim roy on August 19, 2014 at 3:19 PM

What’s the SOP when a suspect ignores your call to freeze and then bum-rushes you to inflict more bodily harm?

HumpBot Salvation on August 19, 2014 at 1:56 PM

Whip your slingshot out of your non-threatening tutu and start yelling “I’m telling on you!” If that fails, use a non-military foam pebble in said slingshot.

katy the mean old lady on August 19, 2014 at 3:31 PM

AP, you need to update this story. The original tweet has been “retracted”!
From Ace’s post:

Retracted: The reporter who tweeted out that 12 witnesses confirmed the cops’ accounting of events has now retracted her tweet — and announced that she’s currently on a Family and Medical Leave Act departure from work.

Mind you, she’s been on medical leave since March. And, she isn’t covering the Ferguson situation for the paper. According to the paper, the information “did not meet standards for publication.”

crud. your, not you’re

kim roy on August 19, 2014 at 3:19 PM

Actually, you had it right the first time, it’s “you are welcome” contracted to “you’re welcome” – at least linguistically.

GWB on August 19, 2014 at 4:05 PM

I find it funny someone is trying to act like the cop should have stayed in his car until backup arrived and not tried to enact an arrest on two dangerous individuals.

You see he quoted 3 minutes away.

In 3 minutes I can shoot a 20 round magazine, reload, repeat… until about 200 rounds have gone downrange.

In 3 minutes I can throw about 18 axes at someone.

in 3 minutes I can hit you hard approximately 100 times if you do not mount a defense.

In 3 minutes I can watch you choke to death from a well placed, strong enough hit.

Oh and in 3 minutes I am sure I could get the hell out of sight somehow… I seen a guy do it with 30 seconds and the officer started 3 feet away from him.

OregonPolitician on August 19, 2014 at 4:41 PM

oops, she’s now backtracked on this tweet.

too bad.

everdiso on August 19, 2014 at 4:56 PM

That is due process. What do you think would happen to you if you shot dead an unarmed person?

earlgrey on August 19, 2014 at 1:45 PM

You mean if he was shot why trying to pummel me and get my gun. Well if I managed to keep control over my sidearm……I would shoot him in the face. There would then be an investigation. Anything else?

Bmore on August 19, 2014 at 4:58 PM

oops, she’s now backtracked on this tweet.

too bad.

lester, it’s time for your violin lesson! on August 19, 2014 at 4:56 PM

And the Varsity Clown Car pulls up! Must be nice to get to sleep til 4 PM every day…

F-

Del Dolemonte on August 19, 2014 at 5:07 PM

oops, she’s now backtracked on this tweet. I’ve now backtracked on the being shot in the back story.

too bad, but it was good while it lasted. Fake, but accurate and all that!

lester, doncha think you’ve outgrown those Buzz Lightyear jammies? on August 19, 2014 at 4:56 PM

Resist We Much on August 19, 2014 at 5:40 PM

If indeed that is the case, I just hope it isn’t some creative definition of the word ‘attacked’.

verbaluce on August 19, 2014 at 2:51 PM

Let’s recap, a goon punches you in the face hard enough to require medical attention and causes an orbital blowout fracture to the eye socket. During the same event said goon also tries to take away your gun and shoot you with it.

Is that a creative definition of the word attack?

GD you never cease to amaze with your stupidity.

HumpBot Salvation on August 19, 2014 at 5:45 PM

Based on “snitches get stiches” law of the ghetto jungle, I find it hard to believe that 12 people have given statements as eye witnesses to support the police version of what happened. Something does not pass the smell test. It’s almost impossible to find 12 witnesses to anything who all give the same report of what happened. This report does not pass the smell test.

they lie on August 19, 2014 at 6:22 PM

Toons of the Day: No 60″ Plasma TV, No Peace!

Resist We Much on August 19, 2014 at 7:02 PM

Fixed mis-formatted link above …

ShainS on August 19, 2014 at 7:45 PM

What justice is there for a soldier in Washington State who was killed by a group of thugs? Oh, it was because he was white and they were black. Oops! My mistake. Guess this is just payback.

Molonlabe2004 on August 20, 2014 at 1:53 AM

crud. your, not you’re

kim roy on August 19, 2014 at 3:19 PM

Dude.

You had it right the first time.

S. D. on August 20, 2014 at 9:40 PM

bcmusicman on August 19, 2014 at 1:59 PM

Pay per view material. LOL.

S. D. on August 20, 2014 at 9:41 PM

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