Rasmussen: 57% of blacks think Wilson should be found guilty of murdering Michael Brown

posted at 4:01 pm on August 19, 2014 by Allahpundit

Via Mediaite, when protesters in Ferguson are asked what needs to happen for the demonstrations to end, usually they answer “Arrest Officer Wilson.” Just arrest? Seems that a lot of people have already tried this case and reached a verdict.

54% say the media would have offered less coverage of the story if a black policeman shot a white teenager. Fourteen percent (14%) think the story would have gotten more coverage under those circumstances, while 23% think the level of coverage would have been about the same.

Even 43% of black adults believe the story would have gotten less attention if the victim was white, but that compares to 55% of whites and 53% of other minority adults who feel that way…

While the investigation continues, most black Americans (57%) are already convinced that the police officer should be found guilty of murder, a view shared by just 17% of whites and 24% of other minority adults.

Wilson will be charged for something. It’s unimaginable at this point, given the backlash, that prosecutors would let him walk on a self-defense claim without putting him in front of a jury. But what will they charge him with? If they go for a home run on murder when there might not be enough evidence to support it, they risk making the same mistake Florida prosecutors did with Zimmerman. If they play it safer by charging him with manslaughter or some variation of negligent homicide, they risk angering the people who want to see Wilson punished severely. What’s a DA to do?

And where do they try this case? Wilson will move for a change of venue on grounds that he can’t get a fair trial in Ferguson, which may well be true. If the trial is moved to a city that’s majority white, though, instead of majority black as Ferguson is, critics will claim that prosecutors are stacking the deck for his acquittal. The jury in California’s trial of the LAPD officers who beat Rodney King famously had no blacks on it; Wilson’s jury will, I assume, have at least six black members to avoid perceptions of a structural bias in favor of letting him go free.

One more variable: Will the DOJ bring civil-rights charges against Wilson before his state trial or wait for the state verdict before doing so? If they wait, they risk riots if Wilson is acquitted. If they file charges beforehand, it might keep a lid on things if Wilson’s found not guilty in state court since protesters will know they have a second bite at the apple for justice.

While you’re busy noodling that, St. Louis police killed a man a few hours ago who reportedly came at them with a knife, yelling, “Shoot me, kill me now.” When he got within two or three feet of two officers, according to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, they dropped him. Chris Hayes, who’s in Ferguson, went to the scene and said the mood is bad. What that means for tonight’s protests in Ferguson remains to be seen.


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While you’re busy noodling that, St. Louis police killed a man a few hours ago who reportedly came at them with a knife, yelling, “Shoot me, kill me now.” When he got within two or three feet of two officers, according to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, they dropped him.

Be careful what you wish for. You just might get it.

Stoic Patriot on August 19, 2014 at 4:04 PM

I’m kind of impressed that the number is only that high.

cozmo on August 19, 2014 at 4:04 PM

“Mentally challenged”? I thought the meme was that he was a college-bound honor student.
I guess this explains his strong-armed robbery tactics. We are to believe that he pushed around the store clerk, but then became gentle and docile when stopped by the officer.
Right.

maryo on August 19, 2014 at 4:04 PM

Wait, including all the black conservatives that still mysteriously voted overwhelmingly for Obama both times?
 
Weird.

rogerb on August 19, 2014 at 4:04 PM

Who needs a trial?

Bitter Clinger on August 19, 2014 at 4:04 PM

But what will they charge him with? If they go for a home run on murder when there might not be enough evidence to support it, they risk making the same mistake Florida prosecutors did with Zimmerman. If they play it safer by charging him with manslaughter or some variation of negligent homicide, they risk angering the people who want to see Wilson punished severely. What’s a DA to do?

They better go for negligent homicide or manslaughter. They ain’t getting him on first degree murder. Especially if the report about his fractured eye socket is true.

Doughboy on August 19, 2014 at 4:04 PM

Forget pesky trials.

Southernblogger on August 19, 2014 at 4:04 PM

A knife wielding looter was shot dead in Ferguson.

obama will visit “if the looting stops”.

ISIS wants them to join.

obama should have stayed out, alas.

Schadenfreude on August 19, 2014 at 4:05 PM

ONLY 57%?

ToddPA on August 19, 2014 at 4:05 PM

This will not turn out good for obama and Reid in Nov., not at all.

Schadenfreude on August 19, 2014 at 4:05 PM

My earlier comment:

About the cigars…

Brown was risking prison to steal them. And cigars are notoriously used to make marihuana stuffed “blunts” in his age group. And, and I’m serious, if Brown was doing that a lot, smoking the pot stuffed blunts, Brown was likely also addicted to the tobacco in the cigars and suffering a nicotine withdrawal fit, and he probably didn’t even known that he was in nicotine withdrawal, but only knew that it is smoking the cigars (with the “inactive ingredient” marijuana) that relieves his anxiety (caused by nicotine withdrawal).

And btw, nicotine withdrawal is well-known to cause aggressiveness, even violent tendencies. Yeah, Brown could have just got a pack of cigarettes to get relief, but the young adult probably didn’t understand that.

anotherJoe on August 19, 2014 at 4:06 PM

I’m watching the Weather Channel. Rescues of people in Phoenix flooding. More interesting than this.

crankyoldlady on August 19, 2014 at 4:07 PM

Lynch Mob.

Just when I got all the fuses on the irony meters replaced.

HumpBot Salvation on August 19, 2014 at 4:07 PM

“Why not use the taser”? Because while you’re trying to tase the fellow he’s going after your guts with that knife. Knife wins that one, I think – it’s faster.

Surellin on August 19, 2014 at 4:08 PM

It takes a unanimous verdict to convict. 57% isn’t enough.

myiq2xu on August 19, 2014 at 4:08 PM

“Mentally challenged”? I thought the meme was that he was a college-bound honor student.
I guess this explains his strong-armed robbery tactics. We are to believe that he pushed around the store clerk, but then became gentle and docile when stopped by the officer.
Right.

maryo on August 19, 2014 at 4:04 PM

That’s in reference to the guy the cops killed today, not Michael Brown.

Bitter Clinger on August 19, 2014 at 4:09 PM

TASER stock is still on the rise. (16+ – up from 11 a few weeks ago)

Perhaps another look at TASER ?

jake-the-goose on August 19, 2014 at 4:09 PM

100% of them thought Obama was going to pay their mortgage and show up to support them on demand too.

HotAirian on August 19, 2014 at 4:09 PM

While the “Gentle Giant” was wrong that Wilson would not shoot him, the next cop will think about it because this animal was more equal than the other animals.

jukin3 on August 19, 2014 at 4:09 PM

Well gosh I guess Wilson should have trusted that nothing was going to happen to him as the 290-pound 6’4″ man taunted and rushed toward him. Would the Ferguson residents be rioting and looting if Wilson had been killed in the line of duty? I guess not.
Why are you saying that he will be charged with something? Should policemen be required to put themselves in harms way without defending themselves? Do you know all the facts of this story? Have you stopped to consider that you, as well as other members of the media, have helped to destroy this man’s life?

maryo on August 19, 2014 at 4:09 PM

100% of them thought Obama was going to pay their mortgage and show up to support them on demand too.

HotAirian on August 19, 2014 at 4:09 PM

And 77% of them still think OJ is innocent of the murder of his wife Nicole and her friend Ron Goldman.

maryo on August 19, 2014 at 4:11 PM

ONLY 57%?

ToddPA on August 19, 2014 at 4:05 PM

It takes a unanimous verdict to convict. 57% isn’t enough.

myiq2xu on August 19, 2014 at 4:08 PM

Relax, this is a Reich-Wing Rasmussen Poll. The polling site “PollingReport.com”, which hilariously calls itself “non-partisan” right on its masthead, refuses to even carry their polling results.

Don’t worry, the CNN and MSLSD polls will both have the number at 100%, or even higher!

Del Dolemonte on August 19, 2014 at 4:11 PM

Sadly, yes, this kind of opinion is rampant, even among blacks who profess to be Christians.

There’s a lot of anger and other issues that, while they certainly have every right to feel due to cultural and societal issues that they deal with daily, are allowing them to cloud their thinking. They’re emoting and letting their emotions control their thought processes.

In the case of those who profess to be Christians, they’re holding onto idols of anger, pride and more.

In reality we all have idols, and many, many Christians hold on to those idols even when we profess to be followers of Christ. Sometimes it’s food or drugs, sometimes it’s power, sometimes it’s racism and sometimes anger. We feed it because we get an instant, internal physiological response. We like our pet monsters.

Logus on August 19, 2014 at 4:11 PM

anotherJoe on August 19, 2014 at 4:06 PM </blockquote
and his blunts were likely laced with whatever had to lace them with…synthetics, pcp, etc.

If you've never tried a dusted joint, be aware it doesn't typically make you mellow.

DanMan on August 19, 2014 at 4:11 PM

Because let’s all rush to judgment when we haven’t even had a telling of all the facts yet!

alchemist19 on August 19, 2014 at 4:12 PM

Wilson will be charged for something.

Who was instrumental in overcharging Zimmerman in FL with 2nd degree murder? Democratic FL office-holder, or maybe Eric Holder at the DOJ? How about charging the cop with 2nd degree murder here, too. It would be a similar over-charging.

LashRambo on August 19, 2014 at 4:14 PM

The number is low because 42 percent think he should just be executed without finding guilt!!

Deano1952 on August 19, 2014 at 4:14 PM

I’m surprised to see that its that low.

El_Terrible on August 19, 2014 at 4:15 PM

Wilson will not be charged with anything. This isn’t the Zim situation
There is a continuing bond between DA and the police. Though the cops may be silent now, if Wilson is now put into a show trial and acquitted, there will be hell to pay and bad blood for a long time. The DA sounds like he’s much too smart for that.

rik on August 19, 2014 at 4:16 PM

Noah just tweeted this

Chris Hayes now convinced that an organized band of agitators executing coordinated escalations after dark in Ferguson.

ya think? I’m glad pajama boy (Chrissy) is connected the dots from the WaPo article.

r keller on August 19, 2014 at 4:16 PM

Wilson will be charged for something.

Of course. And by the time WithHolder and the NSA are done, everyone on the planet will know what this young officer ate for lunch in the 3rd grade.

Meanwhile, their star witness, Dorian Johnson, who was an accomplice in the robbery and on parole for prior misdeeds will skate because they simply cannot find anything with which to charge him.

WhirledPeas on August 19, 2014 at 4:18 PM

Wilson will be charged for something. It’s unimaginable at this point, given the backlash, that prosecutors would let him walk on a self-defense claim without putting him in front of a jury.

Must suck to have to be a sacrificial lamb for “social justice”.

nextgen_repub on August 19, 2014 at 4:18 PM

Wilson will be charged for something. It’s unimaginable at this point, given the backlash, that prosecutors would let him walk on a self-defense claim without putting him in front of a jury.

Wow, I find this assumption that Wilson will be automatically charged with something to be stunning. You are leaving out some important factors here. One, the Police Union. Zimmerman did not have any such backing. If he had I doubt you would have seen him charged. Two, Zimmerman’s acquittal. Any DA would have to be crazy at this point to go ahead with a prosecution if even have of the exculpatory evidence that has come out supporting Wilson is true.

One more variable: Will the DOJ bring civil-rights charges against Wilson before his state trial or wait for the state verdict before doing so?

Neither. If they never charged Zimmerman, which would have been a much easier case for them to try. What makes you think they will charge a police officer?

Rocks on August 19, 2014 at 4:19 PM

Because let’s all rush to judgment when we haven’t even had a telling of all the facts yet!

no rush to judgement. The media and the racist at the top of our federal government will/have supplied enough pressure to assure that the cop will go to trial.

A nation of men not laws and it happened in less than 5 years.

jukin3 on August 19, 2014 at 4:19 PM

If they go for a home run on murder when there might not be enough evidence to support it, they risk making the same mistake Florida prosecutors did with Zimmerman.

Charging an innocent man?

irishgladiator63 on August 19, 2014 at 4:19 PM

From the same race that voted Obama in at 98%–evidence be damned.

hillsoftx on August 19, 2014 at 4:20 PM

ONLY 57%?

ToddPA on August 19, 2014 at 4:05 PM

I would ask the same. This is amazingly low. It was well over 80% for Zimmerman I believe.

Rocks on August 19, 2014 at 4:20 PM

I Don’t Want to Live on this Planet Anymore

sentinelrules on August 19, 2014 at 4:20 PM

in case any of you haven’t heard, the reporter claiming 12+ eyewitnesses backing the officer has now retracted her claim and is on FMLA.

dbilly76 on August 19, 2014 at 4:22 PM

Neighborhood people saying he was mentally challenged. Saying “Hands up! don’t shoot!” Tense bad scene here.

— Christopher Hayes (@chrislhayes) August 19, 2014

This guy is considered talent at MSNBC?

According to St. Louis Today and witnesses, the guy was yelling “Shoot me, kill me now,”

and a crowd who gathered after the fact was chanting “Hands up! don’t shoot!”

His tweet makes it look like the knife wielding thief was yelling “hands up! don’t shoot!” which definitely does not match the witness accounts.

airupthere on August 19, 2014 at 4:22 PM

How about perjury charges that sparked a week of violent protests, looting and all kinds of violence?

Here is the Giant Ball of Lies that started the Ferguson Fiasco:

“That baby was executed in broad daylight,” Crump said during a press conference Monday afternoon, standing beside Brown’s mother and father.

So a “baby” was executed in broad daylight. Okay.

“He was a good boy who didn’t deserve any of this,” said Michael Brown Sr., the teen’s father.

Uh, some other Mike Brown must have stolen the cigars?

And here is the testimony by Michael Brown’s friend, Dorian Johnson, heard around the world:

About 20 minutes before the shooting, Johnson said he saw Brown walking down the street and decided to catch up with him. The two walked and talked. That’s when Johnson says they saw the police car rolling up to them.

Funny, 10 minutes prior I thought they were robbing a store together.

The officer demanded that the two “get the f—k on the sidewalk,” Johnson says. “His exact words were get the f—k on the sidewalk.

Uh huh. This is consistent with all the reports of the officer spewing f–k left and right, especially on the job.

After telling the officer that they were almost at their destination, Johnson’s house, the two continued walking. But as they did, Johnson says the officer slammed his brakes and threw his truck in reverse, nearly hitting them

Riiiight. “Yes, Mr. Officer, we’re almost to our destination.” And again, all accounts of the police officer jibe with him nearly assaulting these two with his car in broad daylight.

Now, in line with the officer’s driver’s side door, they could see the officer’s face. They heard him say something to the effect of, “what’d you say?” At the same time, Johnson says the officer attempted to thrust his door open but the door slammed into Brown and bounced closed. Johnson says the officer, with his left hand, grabbed Brown by the neck.

More violence on the job typical of this cop.

“I could see the muscles in his forearm,” Johnson said. “Mike was trying to get away from being choked.”

I’ve seen the police officers’ arms and yes, if I were a big “baby” like Mike Brown, Ida been terrified, too.

“They’re not wrestling so much as his arm went from his throat to now clenched on his shirt,” Johnson explained of the scene between Brown and the officer. “It’s like tug of war. He’s trying to pull him in. He’s pulling away, that’s when I heard, ‘I’m gonna shoot you.’”

Okay, the most ethical and effective way to do your job if you are a Ferguson cop is to try to pull “big Mike” through a cruiser window. It’s in the handbook. And then we have the money quote: “I’m going to shoot you.” Because jay walking and accidentally blocking a cop car door would definitely set this known violent cop off like nothing else.

At that moment, Johnson says he fixed his gaze on the officer to see if he was pulling a stun gun or a real gun. That’s when he saw the muzzle of the officer’s gun.

“I seen the barrel of the gun pointed at my friend,” he said. “He had it pointed at him and said ‘I’ll shoot,’ one more time.”

A second later Johnson said he heard the first shot go off.

“I seen the fire come out of the barrell,” he said. “I could see so vividly what was going on because I was so close.”

Johnson says he was within arm’s reach of both Brown and the officer. He looked over at Brown and saw blood pooling through his shirt on the right side of the body.

“The whole time [the officer] was holding my friend until the gun went off,” Johnson noted.

Now reconcile this testimony with what the coroner said. One of the coroner’s points was that Brown was NOT SHOT at close range. And that he was NOT shot int he back. Now keep the family-hired coroner’s testimony once again in mind:

Brown and Johnson took off running together. There were three cars lined up along the side of the street. Johnson says he ducked behind the first car, whose two passengers were screaming. Crouching down a bit, he watched Brown run past.

“Keep running, bro!,” he said Brown yelled. Then Brown yelled it a second time. Those would be the last words Johnson’s friend, “Big Mike,” would ever say to him.

Brown made it past the third car. Then, “blam!” the officer took his second shot, striking Brown in the back. At that point, Johnson says Brown stopped, turned with his hands up and said “I don’t have a gun, stop shooting!”

By that point, Johnson says the officer and Brown were face-to-face. The officer then fired several more shots. Johnson described watching Brown go from standing with his hands up to crumbling to the ground and curling into a fetal position.

Nearly everything he said is a lie according to the family’s own coroner. And THIS STORY is the one that started the protests. One Giant Lie. Why doesn’t Rasmussen ask anyone about this?

LetsBfrank on August 19, 2014 at 4:23 PM

“One more variable: Will the DOJ bring civil-rights charges against Wilson before his state trial or wait for the state verdict before doing so?”

Holder would love to throw a Christian to “my people”, but, if the evidence becomes overwhelming, it’s a no go politically and will reverse all the media’s hard work getting black people stoked to vote this fall by getting white people even more stoked to vote this fall.

PS MSLSD ought to keep Hayes away from Twitter until he learns English syntax and grammar.

Police say 23 yo acting erratically, and charged police with a knife and define orders.

Define orders?

Anything like “defying” orders?

formwiz on August 19, 2014 at 4:23 PM

Everyone yelling: why not use the taser.

because tasers don’t stop people. Tasers are used to stun a person so you can grab them and subdue them. No one is grabbing a guy wielding a knife.

Rocks on August 19, 2014 at 4:23 PM

Blacks for lynching?

faraway on August 19, 2014 at 4:25 PM

Wilson will be charged for something. It’s unimaginable at this point, given the backlash, that prosecutors would let him walk on a self-defense claim without putting him in front of a jury.

That could lead to the all/most of the cops in Ferguson handing in their badges. Why keep putting themselves on the line if they’re going to be prosecuted for a potentially justified shooting?

Bitter Clinger on August 19, 2014 at 4:25 PM

in case any of you haven’t heard, the reporter claiming 12+ eyewitnesses backing the officer has now retracted her claim and is on FMLA.

dbilly76 on August 19, 2014 at 4:22 PM

Source?

airupthere on August 19, 2014 at 4:25 PM

Who needs trials and stuff?

Akzed on August 19, 2014 at 4:26 PM

Why not use a taser?

First, let’s appreciate the fact that these guys had seconds to react and we’ve got eternity to scrutinize. Second, a knife is a deadly weapon. Deadly force is met with deadly force, period. Third, does Chris Hayes know how a taser works? Once you turn the juice off, they’re fine, and back to being a criminal…with a knife. And finally, if he’d been on drugs (and it doesn’t exactly sound like he was in the right mind) the taser might not have done anything at all. Hell, even a drunk guy can get numb to it.

Tasers are used as a threat, then as pain compliance, but that’s it. The subject still has to comply with the officer’s orders one way or another. You can’t get handcuffs on while the juice is going, and once it’s off they’re back to being normal. Only the threat of more pain keeps them in line. (Don’t get me wrong, it hurts like a sonofabitch while it’s running).

Meric1837 on August 19, 2014 at 4:26 PM

Reverse jury nullification.

EdmundBurke247 on August 19, 2014 at 4:26 PM

Blacks for lynching?

faraway on August 19, 2014 at 4:25 PM

Of course.

portlandon on August 19, 2014 at 4:27 PM

and his blunts were likely laced with whatever had to lace them with…synthetics, pcp, etc.

If you’ve never tried a dusted joint, be aware it doesn’t typically make you mellow.

DanMan on August 19, 2014 at 4:11 PM

So, the big man was conceivably high on cheap synthetics like angel dust (pcp), and his behavior (in the convenience store, and walking in the middle of the street after the robbery like a nut) is consistent with that.

And nicotine, as many can attest, is called the most difficult drug of all to break the addiction. Nicotine withdrawal is pretty ugly in how unsettled you feel, and the big man’s behavior (aggressiveness, and in wanting those cigars regardless of any consequences [he could of just smoked the mj or whatever by itself], that behavior is consistent also with the aggressiveness primed by nicotine withdrawal. Remember, my point was the kid probably didn’t even know that he was addicted to nicotine, but just understood that smoking the drug-laced cigars gave him relief.

anotherJoe on August 19, 2014 at 4:27 PM

So Wilson is guilty until proven innocent as far as some people are concerned.

On second thought, they would probably say guilty until proven guilty.

I have no idea how people make these judgements without knowing all the facts and without a trial, but it is what it is.

cat_owner on August 19, 2014 at 4:27 PM

“Mentally challenged”?

maryo on August 19, 2014 at 4:04 PM

The *other* dude. The one with a knife, today.

Define orders?

Anything like “defying” orders?

formwiz on August 19, 2014 at 4:23 PM

I feel for the guy – “autocorrect” has reactivated on my IE and it’s a pain having to go back and correct the “auto-correct”.

GWB on August 19, 2014 at 4:28 PM

LOL, And blacks always say they just want black criminals to get a fair trial.

Racism is alive and well in America and it is not the whites that are the problem.

The Notorious G.O.P on August 19, 2014 at 4:28 PM

in case any of you haven’t heard, the reporter claiming 12+ eyewitnesses backing the officer has now retracted her claim and is on FMLA.

dbilly76 on August 19, 2014 at 4:22 PM

Not quite.

She’s been on leave since March. Apparently, she pumped her sources on her own initiative.

formwiz on August 19, 2014 at 4:28 PM

anotherJoe on August 19, 2014 at 4:06 PM

The wrappers of Swisher Sweets are no doubt paper, not tobacco…

Akzed on August 19, 2014 at 4:28 PM

It’s unimaginable at this point, given the backlash, that prosecutors would let him walk on a self-defense claim without putting him in front of a jury. But what will they charge him with? If they go for a home run on murder when there might not be enough evidence to support it, they risk making the same mistake Florida prosecutors did with Zimmerman. If they play it safer by charging him with manslaughter or some variation of negligent homicide, they risk angering the people who want to see Wilson punished severely.

If the evidence that’s been trickling out continues to be exculpatory, a trial of any kind would be a grotesque miscarriage of justice. This idea “Well, we have to charge him with SOMETHING, who cares if he’s actually guilty” is pure poison.

Doomberg on August 19, 2014 at 4:29 PM

57%, that’s pretty good, considering 80%+ thought OJ was innocent…

I don’t put my stock in the black community giving much thought to anything political or emotional…considering their history lately.

Too bad, at one time one of the great societies…low divorce rate, low out of wedlock child rates, high employment, strong family units…and than along came the democrats and the “Great Society”.

right2bright on August 19, 2014 at 4:29 PM

Wilson will be charged for something. It’s unimaginable at this point, given the backlash, that prosecutors would let him walk on a self-defense claim without putting him in front of a jury

My God you are a moron.

The Notorious G.O.P on August 19, 2014 at 4:30 PM

This idea “Well, we have to charge him with SOMETHING, who cares if he’s actually guilty” is pure poison.

Doomberg on August 19, 2014 at 4:29 PM

What Trayvon wrought.

Missy on August 19, 2014 at 4:30 PM

They probably still think OJ didn’t kill his wife either.

Amazing to me that we’re expected to live in a civil society with a group of people of whom a majority will prejudge murder or innocence solely upon whether it’s white on black or black on white (against enormous countervailing evidence no less).

Yay multiculturalism!

crrr6 on August 19, 2014 at 4:30 PM

It’s unimaginable at this point, given the backlash, that prosecutors would let him walk on a self-defense claim without putting him in front of a jury. But what will they charge him with? If they go for a home run on murder when there might not be enough evidence to support it, they risk making the same mistake Florida prosecutors did with Zimmerman. If they play it safer by charging him with manslaughter or some variation of negligent homicide, they risk angering the people who want tsee Wilson punished severely.

Put Wilson on trial and I’m burning the neighbor’s Audi and looting the mall and the organic co-op.

M240H on August 19, 2014 at 4:31 PM

Source?

airupthere on August 19, 2014 at 4:25 PM

The newspaper says she is on Medical Leave, and hasn’t worked since March. Ace of Spades has the info. Also says the information “did not meet standards for publication.”

GWB on August 19, 2014 at 4:31 PM

No one is grabbing a guy wielding a knife.

Rocks on August 19, 2014 at 4:23 PM

A 300 lb street thug…that is high on something.

Taser would tickle him…

right2bright on August 19, 2014 at 4:31 PM

Wilson will be charged for something. It’s unimaginable at this point, given the backlash, that prosecutors would let him walk on a self-defense claim without putting him in front of a jury.

F that. Total BS.

Say goodbye to the country, because no officer of any worth would agree to serve under those conditions.

Missy on August 19, 2014 at 4:32 PM

Meanwhile, nary a peep.

Akzed on August 19, 2014 at 4:32 PM

i’m not going to say “he should be found guilty” because i’m not sure of the facts enough to say that so certainly. BUT, i am leaning in that direction. from what i know about this case, wilson went too far. it’s hard for me to believe the “self-defense” excuse in this case.

Sachiko on August 19, 2014 at 4:32 PM

The wrappers of Swisher Sweets are no doubt paper, not tobacco…

Akzed on August 19, 2014 at 4:28 PM

No, they’re proper cigars in that regard, I’m pretty certain. It’s why they’re favored for blunts.

GWB on August 19, 2014 at 4:33 PM

It’s unimaginable at this point, given the backlash, that prosecutors would let him walk on a self-defense claim without putting him in front of a jury.

Justice be damned.

This is just as absolutely sick as the Zimmerman trial. IF the facts merit an indictment, he ought to be indicted. IF they don’t, he ought not.

Giving in to terrorist demands only emboldens the terrorists. (Yes, I just called the “protestors” terrorists. Just like in Florida.)

makattak on August 19, 2014 at 4:34 PM

Wilson will be charged for something. It’s unimaginable at this point, given the backlash, that prosecutors would let him walk on a self-defense claim without putting him in front of a jury.

What if the jury acquitted him?

nobar on August 19, 2014 at 4:34 PM

If the evidence that’s been trickling out continues to be exculpatory, a trial of any kind would be a grotesque miscarriage of justice. This idea “Well, we have to charge him with SOMETHING, who cares if he’s actually guilty” is pure poison.

Doomberg on August 19, 2014 at 4:29 PM

Unfortunately, if the locals don’t bring charges, I’m fairly certain the Feds will.

The political benefits reaped by keeping this issue open in the media is too good for the liberal facists to pass up.

EdmundBurke247 on August 19, 2014 at 4:34 PM

Not quite.

She’s been on leave since March. Apparently, she pumped her sources on her own initiative.

formwiz on August 19, 2014 at 4:28 PM

Here is her tweet.

GWB on August 19, 2014 at 4:35 PM

So Wilson is guilty until proven innocent as far as some people are concerned.

On second thought, they would probably say guilty until proven guilty.

cat_owner on August 19, 2014 at 4:27 PM

And imagine they had a trial, and of course with all the evidence that we are just starting to hear, the policeman is found.. not guilty. Then we have MEGA-RIOTS. And rioters from across the country would have been preparing for these riots. Mayhem. That would be fun. Set the DVR to CNN. Except Jake Tapper would probably would be running for the hills. Well, except that there’s no hills in MO. Hi Cat!

anotherJoe on August 19, 2014 at 4:35 PM

It’s unimaginable at this point, given the backlash, that prosecutors would let him walk on a self-defense claim without putting him in front of a jury.

I think I will join the bumrush on Allah here.

Squishes do what squishes do.

faraway on August 19, 2014 at 4:35 PM

A 300 lb street thug…that is high on something.

Taser would tickle him…

right2bright on August 19, 2014 at 4:31 PM

Has a toxicology report on Brown been released yet? I don’t recall seeing one so if you’ve got information I don’t then I’d be very interested in checking it out.

alchemist19 on August 19, 2014 at 4:35 PM

So 57% polled know a bunch of facts that the rest of us don’t? Please share.

LetsBfrank on August 19, 2014 at 4:36 PM

GWB on August 19, 2014 at 4:33 PM

I used to smoke them in high school. Man, that was like, years ago.

Akzed on August 19, 2014 at 4:37 PM

Sort of OT .. Before I had to leave the house, FNC reported that the DOJ autopsy findings have been released.

Anyone know anything more ???

pambi on August 19, 2014 at 4:37 PM

54% say the media would have offered less coverage of the story if a black policeman shot a white teenager. Fourteen percent (14%) think the story would have gotten more coverage under those circumstances, while 23% think the level of coverage would have been about the same.

Even 43% of black adults believe the story would have gotten less attention if the victim was white, but that compares to 55% of whites and 53% of other minority adults who feel that way…

While the investigation continues, most black Americans (57%) are already convinced that the police officer should be found guilty of murder, a view shared by just 17% of whites and 24% of other minority adults.

Ah, yes. The “new America,” where the court of public opinion is the only thing that matters as race hustlers and irresponsible “journalists” peddle their own bias and attempt to manipulate exactly what the public sees and hears, thus making any sort of trial ultimately pointless.

FYI to the people saying the story would have received less coverage if the races were reversed: there has been plenty of black-on-white/black-on-other-race murders and crime yet the media can’t be bothered to report on any of it, because those stories don’t fit their leftist narrative.

What’s a DA to do?

His or her job.

Aizen on August 19, 2014 at 4:38 PM

I expect that 57% also believe that both OJ and Mumia were innocent.

slickwillie2001 on August 19, 2014 at 4:38 PM

Amazing to me that we’re expected to live in a civil society with a group of people of whom a majority will prejudge murder or innocence solely upon whether it’s white on black or black on white (against enormous countervailing evidence no less).

Yay multiculturalism!

crrr6 on August 19, 2014 at 4:30 PM

yep, i agree with you. because it goes both ways, with all the people on this site who are so incredibly hesitant to believe wilson is guilty.

people here are giving him way too much benefit of the doubt. if you look at this case and ignore all the riots and chaos and all the politics, and ignore the race of the two people involved, it honestly does look like wilson went overboard in his reaction to brown. that’s what it looks like to me, yet there are a lot of people here who are very hesitant to question wilson’s innocence, but quick to doubt anyone who thinks he’s guilty.

Sachiko on August 19, 2014 at 4:38 PM

from what i know about this case, wilson went too far. it’s hard for me to believe the “self-defense” excuse in this case.

Sachiko on August 19, 2014 at 4:32 PM

I would surmise that you know less than many of us, then. The evidence is piling on that the officer was legally justified. If you want to argue whether he was wise to shoot Mr Brown dead, that’s a wholly different issue and not to be adjudicated by the courts.

GWB on August 19, 2014 at 4:38 PM

Get a rope

txdoc on August 19, 2014 at 4:38 PM

FYI to the people saying the story would have received less coverage if the races were reversed: there has been plenty of black-on-white/black-on-other-race murders and crime yet the media can’t be bothered to report on any of it, because those stories don’t fit their leftist narrative.

Aizen on August 19, 2014 at 4:38 PM

There have* been. Grammar fail.

Aizen on August 19, 2014 at 4:40 PM

Has a toxicology report on Brown been released yet? I don’t recall seeing one so if you’ve got information I don’t then I’d be very interested in checking it out.

alchemist19 on August 19, 2014 at 4:35 PM

Mary Case’s office revealed that Michael Brown had marijuana in his system.

Stoic Patriot on August 19, 2014 at 4:40 PM

Not quite.

She’s been on leave since March. Apparently, she pumped her sources on her own initiative.

formwiz on August 19, 2014 at 4:28 PM

Here is her tweet.

GWB on August 19, 2014 at 4:35 PM

Read my link. Here is a quote from it.

Colin Campbell got this statement from Post-Dispatch editor Gilbert Bailon: “Christine Byers is a police reporter for the St. Louis Post-Dispatch who has been on FMLA leave since March. She is not involved in the Ferguson coverage while she is on leave. Her tweets are personal.”

formwiz on August 19, 2014 at 4:41 PM

it honestly does look like wilson went overboard in his reaction to brown.

Sachiko on August 19, 2014 at 4:38 PM

Please explain how it could possibly look this way, unless you’re ignoring one side of the stories? If Wilson was punched hard enough in the face that it broke his bones and his service weapon went off in the car (both sides agree to that) as Brown struggled for it, how is the shooting not justified? In particular since he was NOT shot in the back? (You know, he wasn’t running away when he was shot.)

GWB on August 19, 2014 at 4:41 PM

Learn something every day.

Akzed on August 19, 2014 at 4:42 PM

Disgusting that criminals turn the tragic death of a criminal into an excuse to commit more crimes. Looters should be shot on sight. Same goes for any “peaceful protesters” lobbing Molotov cocktails.
#HandsUpDontLOOT

CapnObvious on August 19, 2014 at 4:42 PM

What’s a DA to do?

The right thing?

Hope some day you don’t get charged for a crime you didn’t commit and are charged to placate a bunch of morons.

Blake on August 19, 2014 at 4:42 PM

While the investigation continues, most black Americans (57%) are already convinced that the police officer should be found guilty of murder, a view shared by just 17% of whites and 24% of other minority adults.

Fifty-seven percent of black Americans need a course in criminal law. There are several kinds of homicide crimes, without even taking into account the officer’s defense of justification. No way can they even consider charging him with murder–not even felony murder or depraved-indifference kinds of homicide. Voluntary manslaughter, maybe, depending on the facts. Involuntary manslaughter or negligent homicide, maybe, depending on the facts. But then let’s talk about justification.

These 57% don’t understand that just because someone dies, someone else isn’t necessarily going to the chair or to prison for life.

BuckeyeSam on August 19, 2014 at 4:42 PM

OT: LATEST LIBERAL LINE: #Ferguson Police Are Spraying Women with Abortion-Inducing Chemicals

faraway on August 19, 2014 at 4:42 PM

Read my link.

formwiz on August 19, 2014 at 4:41 PM

Read mine. From her very own tweet:

Earlier tweets did not meet standards for publication.

GWB on August 19, 2014 at 4:43 PM

I would surmise that you know less than many of us, then. The evidence is piling on that the officer was legally justified.

GWB on August 19, 2014 at 4:38 PM

but is the evidence really “piling on,” or is it just that people on this site are eager to believe any evidence in favor of wilson, and quick to dismiss any evidence that wilson is guilty? what i’m saying is, i’m sure i could find plenty of other people who say there’s a lot of evidence against wilson.

look, i don’t want this to be a conservatives-vs-liberals thing with all the conservatives on one side and liberals on the other. that’s what this looks like to me. so i’m not going to go along with it and simply do what all the other conservatives are doing.

so i’m going to wait for more facts to come out on this. and maybe you’re right, but, i’m just going to wait.

Sachiko on August 19, 2014 at 4:43 PM

And do you think there won’t be a riot when/if the officer is convicted?

Riiight.

Deckard BR on August 19, 2014 at 4:44 PM

The newspaper says she is on Medical Leave, and hasn’t worked since March. Ace of Spades has the info. Also says the information “did not meet standards for publication.”

GWB on August 19, 2014 at 4:31 PM

Meh.
She is the one who tweeted that she deleted her previous post on the 12 witnesses corroborate the police version of events. Kind of looked like she was taking a shot at the paper by saying it didn’t meet standards for publication. Either that or they told her she wouldn’t have a job when she got back unless she deleted it.

“Did not meet standards for publication” likely means that she hasn’t been in the office for all of the racial sensitivity meetings and didn’t get the memo that the boss has to sign off on any information relating to the shootings.

It looks to me like the paper got their panties in a twist because she was tweeting about a volatile situation while out on maternity leave. They are probably running all reports through the highest levels to ensure they don’t accidentally inflame. She was tweeting and likely got slapped by them because people may think it is originating from the newspaper.

This doesn’t mean that her sources are wrong or that the information is. It just means the paper didn’t know she was covering this story from home and didn’t want everyone to think they were associated with her reporting.

airupthere on August 19, 2014 at 4:45 PM

it honestly does look like wilson went overboard in his reaction to brown.

Sachiko on August 19, 2014 at 4:38 PM

It doesn’t look that way to me.

so i’m going to wait for more facts to come out on this. and maybe you’re right, but, i’m just going to wait.

Sachiko on August 19, 2014 at 4:43 PM

Yes. Let’s do that.

Missy on August 19, 2014 at 4:46 PM

i’m not going to say “he should be found guilty” because i’m not sure of the facts enough to say that so certainly. BUT, i am leaning in that direction. from what i know about this case, wilson went too far. it’s hard for me to believe the “self-defense” excuse in this case.

Sachiko on August 19, 2014 at 4:32 PM

LOL. Do you actually think with that brain? You should use your elbow, instead. You’ll score better on the IQ tests.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on August 19, 2014 at 4:46 PM

Has a toxicology report on Brown been released yet? I don’t recall seeing one so if you’ve got information I don’t then I’d be very interested in checking it out.

alchemist19 on August 19, 2014 at 4:35 PM

I guess it’s possible to bumrush a cop with a gun without drugs.

But we’re giving him the benefit of the doubt that he was under the influence, not insane.

faraway on August 19, 2014 at 4:47 PM

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