Quotes of the day

posted at 10:41 pm on August 19, 2014 by Allahpundit

The City of Ferguson is exploring some serious changes to their police force. Most notably, police officers may soon be wearing cameras on their vests so all acts will be recorded…

The city will also work to rebuild the business district, as many shops have been looted, and others have boarded up their windows in preparation. They will also work to increase the number of African American officers on their police force, as the predominantly African American population of Ferguson has a predominantly white police force.

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The policeman who shot dead a black teenager in St Louis has revealed he is under 24-hour guard and ‘can’t go out’ at this ‘stressful time’ in his first comments since the killing.

Darren Wilson text messaged a close friend to say that he can’t leave protective custody because he would be immediately recognized – making him and his young child a target…

Shepard told MailOnline: ‘People are very suspicious of law enforcement as it is and something like this happens you will always be remembered as the cop who murdered Mike Brown, regardless of what happens at trial or if he’s ever charged or fired.

‘Obviously he’s not going to be able to be a cop over there (in Ferguson) any more.

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KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE: The police have every right to be able to defend themselves and to protect themselves and to be able to leave their house in the morning knowing that they have the appropriate and best equipment out there. We have asked them to do a really difficult job, so I’m not going to second guess, if that’s what they think they need. Don’t go out and commit crimes!…

Imagine if they didn’t have some of this protection. Maybe it would have been even worse in Ferguson!

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It was ridiculous and wrong for police snipers to train their weapons on peaceful protestors in Ferguson. But, when you get right down to it, the militarization of police has had basically nothing to do with events there, even though the Left and parts of the Right have wanted to make that the main issue…

We’ve seen some witless heavy-handedness on the part of the cops, for instance the arrests of a couple of reporters at the McDonald’s last week. But some perspective: Cops were perfectly capable of being heavy-handed long before anyone gave them surplus military equipment. The scenario in that McDonald’s would probably have been exactly the same whether or not there were armored vehicles outside on the street or not.

Finally, there’s the argument that the militarized police were inciting the crowd. This wasn’t entirely implausible, although it seemed unlikely because it should be possible for lawful, well-intentioned people to restrain themselves from throwing things at cops whose uniforms and vehicles they don’t like. Sure enough, after a night of calm in the wake of the “demilitarization” of the police response and the insertion of Captain Ron Johnson, the lawlessness started right up again.

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And yet, even Ray Kelly thinks police in Ferguson, Missouri, have gone way too far in their handling of the turmoil after the death of 18-year-old Michael Brown, who was shot and killed by police officer Darren Wilson last week.

“The toothpaste is out of the tube here,” Kelly told Bloomberg News. “There’s lots of things that should have been done differently, and you have to live with them.”

The department’s first major misstep, Kelly said, was not immediately releasing all of the information surrounding Brown’s death. Telling the public what happened “certainly has the potential for quelling or lessening disturbances,” Kelly said. “You tell them what you know and tell them what you don’t know, rather than dribbling it out.”

Kelly also said it was “mind-boggling” that the Ferguson Police Department has 50 white police officers and just three black police officers in a town that’s nearly 70 percent black.

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Even though it might sound harsh and impolitic, here is the bottom line: if you don’t want to get shot, tased, pepper-sprayed, struck with a baton or thrown to the ground, just do what I tell you. Don’t argue with me, don’t call me names, don’t tell me that I can’t stop you, don’t say I’m a racist pig, don’t threaten that you’ll sue me and take away my badge. Don’t scream at me that you pay my salary, and don’t even think of aggressively walking towards me. Most field stops are complete in minutes. How difficult is it to cooperate for that long?…

[I]f you believe (or know) that the cop stopping you is violating your rights or is acting like a bully, I guarantee that the situation will not become easier if you show your anger and resentment. Worse, initiating a physical confrontation is a sure recipe for getting hurt. Police are legally permitted to use deadly force when they assess a serious threat to their or someone else’s life. Save your anger for later, and channel it appropriately. Do what the officer tells you to and it will end safely for both of you. We have a justice system in which you are presumed innocent; if a cop can do his or her job unmolested, that system can run its course. Later, you can ask for a supervisor, lodge a complaint or contact civil rights organizations if you believe your rights were violated. Feel free to sue the police! Just don’t challenge a cop during a stop.

An average person cannot comprehend the risks and has no true understanding of a cop’s job. Hollywood and television stereotypes of the police are cartoons in which fearless super cops singlehandedly defeat dozens of thugs, shooting guns out of their hands. Real life is different. An average cop is always concerned with his or her safety and tries to control every encounter. That is how we are trained. While most citizens are courteous and law abiding, the subset of people we generally interact with everyday are not the genteel types. You don’t know what is in my mind when I stop you. Did I just get a radio call of a shooting moments ago? Am I looking for a murderer or an armed fugitive? For you, this might be a “simple” traffic stop, for me each traffic stop is a potentially dangerous encounter. Show some empathy for an officer’s safety concerns. Don’t make our job more difficult than it already is.

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But you don’t have to have an armored vehicle to be a jerk and a danger to the public. If you have the attitude that you are owed deference and instant obedience by the people around you, and that you are justified in using violence against them if they don’t comply, we already have a problem. That’s especially true if official institutions back you up, which they do.

If you really think that everybody else should “just do what I tell you,” you’re wearing the wrong uniform in the wrong country. And if you really can’t function with some give and take—a few nasty names, a little argument—of the sort that people in all sorts of jobs put up with every damned day, do us all a favor: quit.

The law enforcement problem in this country goes well beyond boys with toys. It’s much deeper, and needs to be torn out by the roots.

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Via Mediaite.

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Asked by Lemon if the police in Ferguson are getting a “bad rap” by the media, Johnson said, “They are getting a bad rap” because they are just trying to bring “peace” and “justice” to the city.


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Brown was already acting INSANE before the interaction with the SANE cop.

Here we have a 6′ 4″ 290 pound African American that only 10 minutes before had robbed a convenience with just his bare hands. And to risk prison for the petty merchandise he garnered from his brazen robbery was.. nuts. But after the robbery, when any sane person would know that the cops would be looking for the perpetrator, instead of trying to hide himself away, he was parading down the middle of a busy street like he was in some kind of lala land. That was crazy. The kid was crazy. Probably manic or on drugs or both. This massive nut is what the cop was up against.

And the cop? Described as low-key with an exemplary record. A male friend of the Ferguson cop Darren Wilson said on Tuesday that he played hockey with him for years and had never once seen him get into a fight. Sure, it conceivably that the the cop just shot Brown when Brown had his hands up and was on his knees… shot him six times. Yeah, like the decorated cop wouldn’t even be thinking about his future as a cop and a free man. There’s no indication of such erratic behavior in the cop’s past. Anything is possible, but that is *highly* unlikely. But look at Sharpton and Jackson and Holder and all the rest holding to that crazy theory that the cop went insane, when it was obvious that Brown was already acting insane.

anotherJoe on August 20, 2014 at 4:10 AM

“I think this admin has been waiting for something like this”

this admin had a soft spot for that Occupy trash also..
I heard two of the names on the news yesterday of the groups..
one was a commie group and the other was just a agitator advocacy group..
I remember hearing the chick say they taught lessons in civil disobedience and crap like that..
reminded me of that BAMN borders crowd…
anything against anything American…

going2mars on August 20, 2014 at 4:11 AM

31giddyup on August 20, 2014 at 4:08 AM

I am mid-mumble on how much plumbing to add..
showers… I can take a shower in a gallon jug of water..
or jump in the river… im a guy..
it you fairer ones that want hot water showers..
I did look at a on demand hot water heater…small..
they arnt cheap… better love that shower…
<<< still mumbling……plumbing….how much water….how much weight…

going2mars on August 20, 2014 at 4:17 AM

Good evening (morning?) g2m & 31g

Hope you are both well.

g2m, Brown grabbed and manhandled that clerk. That is battery (or assault, just depends on the state’s statutory language. Probably a misdemeanor unless injury results, but an assault nevertheless.

I think this incident is going to be proven a clean shoot and the idiots trying to make something else of it are all going to pay, one way or another.

novaculus on August 20, 2014 at 4:19 AM

G2M, AnotherJoe,
I don’t know if we’ll ever see the day when the law is ever respected again or actually enforced like it should be. I do know that with cutbacks and the revolving door of the “justice” system, it’s going to be harder and harder to find men to fill vacant spots in police departments. After seeing a lot of good men injured and their careers shortened and the restrictions put on them in apprehending perps, who’d want to get in this line of work?
I’m nodding off so I’ll say nite for now.

Blessings to you and HA

Morning COL.
Cooling off to the low 90′s here. Also cooling off earlier in the evenings. Nice to be able to open windows and feel a breeze. Have a great day Cranky!

31giddyup on August 20, 2014 at 4:22 AM

novaculus on August 20, 2014 at 4:19 AM

I was trying to get away from the word assault because ow
was saying that it was a simple shove…
maybe that’s light as far as assault goes..
but say he had a baseball bat… and raised it…
that’s brandishing..
so I was making the point…6’4″ 290 is a weapon..
(just poking ow in his 6’1″ tall eye a lil…for sport)

going2mars on August 20, 2014 at 4:24 AM

Sorry Nova, missed you.
I hope you’re right on the outcome of this circus.
I wish that kid would get double time for lying, which helped light the protest fires.
Have a great day Nova. Hope to chat with you again sometime.

31giddyup on August 20, 2014 at 4:26 AM

sleep well 31…and be safe….cheers..

going2mars on August 20, 2014 at 4:27 AM

g2m, Brown grabbed and manhandled that clerk. That is battery (or assault, just depends on the state’s statutory language. Probably a misdemeanor unless injury results, but an assault nevertheless.

novaculus on August 20, 2014 at 4:19 AM

+
31giddyup on August 20, 2014 at 4:22 AM
going2mars on August 20, 2014 at 4:24 AM

I’m pretty sure that’s felony robbery, and not shoplifting. Assault would be an additional charge. A “strong arm” robbery. It’s not made any less illegal just because we have a video of it and the entire “community” is saying he’s a gentle giant.

anotherJoe on August 20, 2014 at 4:34 AM

anotherJoe on August 20, 2014 at 4:34 AM

agreed… you got to love the LSM, so desperate to find
one nice young man just back from ballet classes
on his way to the retirement community to volunteer…
the press make them “children” “young”
uses pictures from when they were 12..
like they did in Fla..
most of the LSM will bend any reality they can to fit the means..

going2mars on August 20, 2014 at 4:44 AM

Theft by the use of force and/or fear is a robbery and it is always a felony.

Blake on August 20, 2014 at 4:47 AM

going2mars on August 20, 2014 at 4:24 AM

31giddyup on August 20, 2014 at 4:26 AM

anotherJoe on August 20, 2014 at 4:34 AM

Here in Indiana, battery (aka assault) is a “rude, angry, or unpermitted touching”. In this instance, it is subsumed in the crime of robbery.

This man committed multiple felonies in the hour before he was shot dead.

I’m thinking enough shit is going to come down on this case in the next 48 hours that the officer is going to be exonerated and the race pimps are going to be left holding only themselves.

And with that bit of “wisdom” I’m calling it a night.

novaculus on August 20, 2014 at 4:54 AM

novaculus on August 20, 2014 at 4:54 AM

the grand jury is suppose to meet tomorrow I think..
they have to be under a ton of pressure… real or perceived..
so your right…the next few day will be interesting…
the goons will not accept exoneration.. imo.. so well see..
sleep well…cheers

going2mars on August 20, 2014 at 4:59 AM

and with at.. I am out,,,

morning COL…
hope the rain you got didn’t wake you,,,
s/b a nice day today for you,… lil humid… be safe

going2mars on August 20, 2014 at 5:01 AM

Good morning ladies and gentlement. A storm woke me up sometime between 2 and 3.

crankyoldlady on August 20, 2014 at 5:02 AM

hey I was just wondering that same thing…
you know its ok to roll over and continue nappin… don’t ya?
I hope you have a nice day….
think nappyland…. cheers COL

going2mars on August 20, 2014 at 5:11 AM

uses pictures from when they were 12..

going2mars on August 20, 2014 at 4:44 AM

Lol, because I was just noticing that on CNN last night. They kept fading in pictures of a dinner dressed… 12 year old. Be real. Yeah, like in FL.

And btw liveleak says that Brown ahad a juvenile criminal record that is sealed (unfortunately) on top of his adult record of felony “Armed Criminal Action” and “Assault 1st Degree – Serious Physical Injury.” Whoa! Serious physical injury! I don’t have the details, but why wasn’t the kid in prison? And serious injury? Like the cop supposedly had a fractured eye-socket from a punch from the gentle giant. And as novaculaus just said Brown committed multiple felonies in the hour before he was shot dead. Hi COL!

anotherJoe on August 20, 2014 at 5:12 AM

I’m thinking enough shit is going to come down on this case in the next 48 hours that the officer is going to be exonerated and the race pimps are going to be left holding only themselves.

And with that bit of “wisdom” I’m calling it a night.

novaculus on August 20, 2014 at 4:54 AM

Here’s hoping you’re right.

cimbri on August 20, 2014 at 5:12 AM

A comment at liveleak:

funny how they post pictures of him when he is 11 years old trying to make him out to be something that he CLEARLY is not…

you punch a cop?
you try to grab a cop’s gun?
you charge at a cop?

you’re going to get shot dead.

Al Sharpton and the rest of the commie black panthers are nothing more than rabble rousers, miscreants and pimps of violence and discourse..

shame…

anotherJoe on August 20, 2014 at 5:29 AM

I’m seriously wondering if their is a RINO version of Journalista. I’ve noticed that a number of rino bloggers have been shilling the same opinion on this case which is contrary to what we know and what the vast majority of their readers believe.

Blake on August 20, 2014 at 5:36 AM

Brown’s life was not in danger until he ran towards the cop. No one shot his co defendant. Also, the usual media pimps are spreading this story that Wilson came out of his suv firing. smh

Blake on August 20, 2014 at 5:39 AM

I’m seriously wondering if their is a RINO version of Journalista. I’ve noticed that a number of rino bloggers have been shilling the same opinion on this case which is contrary to what we know and what the vast majority of their readers believe.

Blake on August 20, 2014 at 5:36 AM

This is why we need to leave these people behind. Purge the party or start a new one. A politician is no better just because he has an R behind his name.

crankyoldlady on August 20, 2014 at 5:45 AM

their = there

Blake on August 20, 2014 at 5:49 AM

This is why we need to leave these people behind. Purge the party or start a new one. A politician is no better just because he has an R behind his name.

crankyoldlady on August 20, 2014 at 5:45 AM

They’re bloggers — not politicians. I would like them to fess up as to what they are trying to pull here.

Blake on August 20, 2014 at 5:51 AM

They’re bloggers — not politicians. I would like them to fess up as to what they are trying to pull here.

Blake on August 20, 2014 at 5:51 AM

They’re all part of the same system. I wish they would all stop pretending to be Republicans and admit they are Democrats.

crankyoldlady on August 20, 2014 at 5:58 AM

It looks like we’re getting the summer we didn’t get in July. It’s supposed to continue for awhile.

crankyoldlady on August 20, 2014 at 5:59 AM

Good morning all
stay cool col

We had a bit of rain here yesterday ……cooled us down a bit

cmsinaz on August 20, 2014 at 6:07 AM

MJ talking about the beheading ……

cmsinaz on August 20, 2014 at 6:09 AM

Getting tired of the lsm outraged over lack of diversity on the police force……how many blacks have applied for a position on the force? If not many quit your whining

Hey journos do a little bit of research before proclaiming your outrage and disgust

Wished Wilson’s side of the story would be out there this one sided bias is awful……the lsm is not treating that one audio interview with any credibility like they have from the other side

cmsinaz on August 20, 2014 at 6:23 AM

It seems people are getting tired of Ferguson. If they don’t get a fresh infusion of OUTRAGE!!!1!!! – it’s dead. If they indict the poor cop, then they will go into “we all gotta heal” mode which means “send money” After the King riots everyone was getting hit up for donations. I wonder if stores will move back in to the community.

Blake on August 20, 2014 at 6:24 AM

g2m, Brown grabbed and manhandled that clerk. That is battery (or assault, just depends on the state’s statutory language. Probably a misdemeanor unless injury results, but an assault nevertheless.

novaculus on August 20, 2014 at 4:19 AM

Do we know what the clerk said to Brown and/or his friend? Just wondering – I haven’t read anything about that.

kcewa on August 20, 2014 at 6:46 AM

I wonder if Obama is going to offer to trade Bowe Bergdahl for the other Journalist that the IS have?

kcewa on August 20, 2014 at 6:53 AM

UK: man in beheading video appears to be British

UK Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond says the person appearing in the video posted by Islamic militants beheading American journalist James Foley appears to be British.

Hammond says the possible involvement of a Briton underscored the risks that those now fighting with Islamic militants could return to Britain and carry out attacks at home.

kcewa on August 20, 2014 at 6:58 AM

It was ridiculous and wrong for police snipers to train their weapons on peaceful protestors in Ferguson. But, when you get right down to it, the militarization of police has had basically nothing to do with events there, even though the Left and parts of the Right have wanted to make that the main issue…

Finally, there’s the argument that the militarized police were inciting the crowd. This wasn’t entirely implausible, although it seemed unlikely because it should be possible for lawful, well-intentioned people to restrain themselves from throwing things at cops whose uniforms and vehicles they don’t like. Sure enough, after a night of calm in the wake of the “demilitarization” of the police response and the insertion of Captain Ron Johnson, the lawlessness started right up again.

The argument against militarization isn’t just about the equipment.

To get and maintain added equipment that has a higher cost to Operate and Maintain (O&M) is cutting into a pie that is already limited for police funding. That added burden, plus the training and skills necessary to maintain the equipment is a distraction from police work, not making it more effective. Those funds dedicated to that equipment mean an increased budget request and if the budget is not increased then something has to give on the O&M side of the budget, and if you want to keep the equipment that means other training, operations and maintenance gets trimmed.

Meanwhile if the police actually did policing and reached out to the community to inform people that police cannot be everywhere, and that the first responders to a situation are typically citizens, then it is the citizen who also has a responsibility to uphold the law. The police need to inform everyone within their jurisdiction that they are only law enforcement and that they do not pass the laws and that the laws they enforce are passed by representatives the citizens ELECTED TO OFFICE. Thus these are the laws that citizens WANT and WANT TO HAVE ENFORCED and because of that the citizenry agrees to UPHOLD THE LAWS THEY ASKED FOR. The job of the police is to execute on the laws that are passed, not to be a roving law unto themselves. Yet to get to this high state of police work takes training, shifting resources from equipment to manpower overhead, and enforcing strict procedures so that police officers are held accountable for their actions and that there is continual interaction on a neighborhood basis with the citizenry.

Police officers are granted special powers, they are not granted special rights, and the duty to uphold the law is not just theirs but that of each and every individual in their area of law enforcement. This goes far beyond calling 911 in an emergency and actually understanding that the laws that are passed are to empower the citizenry to bring in those who break the law to law enforcement so the due process of law can proceed.

Thus the concentration on militarization is not just an issue, it in fact comes at the tail end of a long line of bad decisions on how to allocate funds to have effective policing amongst officers within a jurisdiction. If the officers had good training and the police force had good outreach and the good sense to let citizens know that arming in their own defense is wise, prudent, a civil right and a Natural Right that grants a Positive Natural Liberty then you would start to see crime go DOWN because citizens are now upholding the law at a personal level enough to dissuade casual crime that can quickly escalate into the use of lethal force.

SWAT Units are meant to be few, specially armed and exquisitely trained: Special Weapons And Tactics. Not everyday use and deployment but deployed when serious gangs who have up-armed and are acting wantonly are within a jurisdiction. Handing out lots of new equipment does not make every police officer trained like a SWAT Unit, and if they WERE then that would mean that basic policing has been FORGOTTEN.

I do not want police left vulnerable.

I want police to do effective policing and showing that they are part of a community and give practical advice to the citizenry, and uphold the duty of citizens to uphold the law beyond a simple phone call. To get to there takes much training and selection of officers to fit them to neighborhoods and communities and having a significant presence on the street that is not driving by but walking by with rolling and roving back-up available. This means outreach to schools, churches, civic organizations, and meeting with the citizenry at scheduled town hall meetings to take complaints and to remind people that THEY are the first responders as in the majority of cases they have to call in the SECOND RESPONDERS via 911. The moment you dial 911 YOU ARE THE FIRST RESPONDER and the citizens need to know that the police will do their bast to BACK THEM UP but that there are manpower limitations and that response might be minutes or even up to a half-hour later and that the citizens need to be aware of that.

ajacksonian on August 20, 2014 at 6:58 AM

Do we know what the clerk said to Brown and/or his friend? Just wondering – I haven’t read anything about that.

kcewa on August 20, 2014 at 6:46 AM

I’d suspect it to be somewhere along the lines of “Hey! You have to pay for that!” But, then again, I’m not familiar with the nuances of small talk when a hulking street thug decides that what you have is his by rights.

Happy Nomad on August 20, 2014 at 7:00 AM

MJ talking about the beheading ……

cmsinaz on August 20, 2014 at 6:09 AM

Let me guess, ISIS was heavy-handed.

Happy Nomad on August 20, 2014 at 7:01 AM

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE:

Needless to say, she’s yummy. But beyond that, this excerpt is from a RCP video of FNC’s “Outnumbered.” Although Kennedy What’shername is a conservative-leaning libertarian rather than some hard-left crackpot, the shooting of Michael Brown is not the result of tanks in Ferguson or other militarization of police forces.

Why is she and Geraldo trying to make this argument.

BuckeyeSam on August 20, 2014 at 7:02 AM

Happy Nomad on August 20, 2014 at 7:00 AM

Maybe he told him, first, that his EBT card was out or that it didn’t cover his cigarillos, or whatever Big Mike was stealing to use for smoking hooch.

Have we identified which institution of higher learning Big Mike was planning to attend this fall?

BuckeyeSam on August 20, 2014 at 7:05 AM

Israel has Gaza and we have Ferguson . . . the difference is that Israel doesn’t pander to the thugs.

rplat on August 20, 2014 at 7:05 AM

I’m not sure how the Saint Louis County grand jury can start hearing evidence in a case where the investigation isn’t even complete but I’m beginning to sniff a bit of the way the officials in Florida were coerced into indicting due to angry blacks who formed a lynch mob. Even before the investigation is over it could well be that Wilson is indicted and in jail.

And a cop who killed a black street thug sitting in jail?- well it would not be a pleasant stay. But the pols might think it enough to get the blacks to stop rioting and looting.

Happy Nomad on August 20, 2014 at 7:06 AM

I am at a point where I am tired of blacks with their faux outrage
about this incident. This is just an excuse for many to wreak
havoc.

They want black officers? Then their community should have all
black officers. Why not deputize some of the protesters? They
think they can handle crime in their communities better? Go have
at it. Better yet, deputize Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Spike Lee
and some of the crazies on CNN and MSNBC.

Why should one more decent police officer have to go through this
crap?

Amjean on August 20, 2014 at 7:11 AM

the president needs to go down to ferguson and explain to people how a young black is “executed”

radical black feminist on morning schmoe.

all the white people are incredibly remorseful for the tradjedy in ferguson.

nothing about the punk strongarming the indian shop keeper.

renalin on August 20, 2014 at 7:12 AM

when black people see ferguson they think back to 400 years of being dumped on by white people.

-joe klein

renalin on August 20, 2014 at 7:14 AM

Have we identified which institution of higher learning Big Mike was planning to attend this fall?

BuckeyeSam on August 20, 2014 at 7:05 AM

Vatterott College. Which is really just a tech school offering programs in the fields of Business, Medical, Technical, Trades, Cosmetology, Dental, Legal, Personal Fitness, and Veterinary. (from their website). I guess “Big Mike” wanted to become a hair dresser.

This is one of the lies that came out early in the puff pieces about Brown being a gentle giant. The myth: He worked hard to get through high school and was about to start college. The reality: He got his GED through an alternative program and was about to start trade school. Nothing wrong with the truth other than it doesn’t provide the impact in the media as the idea that some racist cop just gunned down a future Rhodes Scholar or something.

Happy Nomad on August 20, 2014 at 7:17 AM

The next civil rights frontier – affirmative action for minority pot growers? Finally, something that piques Obama’s interest.

Black market boom lays bare a social divide in Colorado’s marijuana market

The resentment goes something like: we Latinos and African Americans from the ‘hood were stigmatised for marijuana use, disdained and disproportionately prosecuted in the war on drugs.

Now pot is legalised and who benefits? Rich people with their money to invest and their clean criminal records. And here we are again: on the outskirts of opportunity

In this light, taxation is seen as a blunt instrument of exclusion, driving precisely the groups most prosecuted in the war on drug further into the arms of the black market.

kcewa on August 20, 2014 at 7:17 AM

next segment

how did social media impact ferguson?

they keep talking about two stories yet i haven’t heard about the bullets all being from in front or the officer blown socket and the multiple eye witnesses who verified his account.

the media and liberals live in a paralell universe.

renalin on August 20, 2014 at 7:18 AM

Happy Nomad on August 20, 2014 at 7:01 AM

they were praising dear leader on going against his party and fighting those evil guys and the gop better praise him as well instead of criticizing…

cmsinaz on August 20, 2014 at 7:20 AM

Have we identified which institution of higher learning Big Mike was planning to attend this fall?

BuckeyeSam on August 20, 2014 at 7:05 AM

HVAC repair school.

kcewa on August 20, 2014 at 7:20 AM

Happy Nomad on August 20, 2014 at 7:06 AM

was thinking the same thing, a grand jury before the investigation is complete? and then we have holder doing his own ‘independent’ investigation…

cmsinaz on August 20, 2014 at 7:21 AM

nothing about the punk strongarming the indian shop keeper.

renalin on August 20, 2014 at 7:12 AM

he’s just an unarmed black teenager in their eyes…

cmsinaz on August 20, 2014 at 7:22 AM

when black people see ferguson they think back to 400 years of being dumped on by white people.

-joe klein

renalin on August 20, 2014 at 7:14 AM

Only because the leftists in politics and the media and the schools keep encouraging that.

kcewa on August 20, 2014 at 7:24 AM

The death of Jim Foley is a signal of defiance from ISIS, and, of their disdain for President “Pantywaist”, as the British Press dubbed Barack Hussein Obama, early on in his presidency.

My take: ISIS Beheads American Journalist. Obama Goes Back on Vacation.

kingsjester on August 20, 2014 at 7:29 AM

Good morning ladies and gentlement. A storm woke me up sometime between 2 and 3.

crankyoldlady on August 20, 2014 at 5:02 AM

Morning COL, 94F today and humidity in the low 70s. Just the way our family likes it. I am a tad bummed as I had to cancel the trip to the US Open with all the kids. Seems the only one not busy is me! As the youngsters grow up they get busy and have a schedule that grows more independent from the parents each year.

Today is National Radio Day, Earth Over Shoot Day, and National Medical Dosimetrist day. The Wife bought me a calendar listing holidays. Don’t ask me why she bought one this late in the year other than to tell me I like useless information.

Have a good day and good karma to all the rest.

HonestLib on August 20, 2014 at 7:33 AM

I’m not sure how the Saint Louis County grand jury can start hearing evidence in a case where the investigation isn’t even complete

Happy Nomad on August 20, 2014 at 7:06 AM

That’s what grand juries do. They investigate to see if there’s enough evidence to bring charges. Some states require a grand jury indictment before any felony can be brought to the courts.

kcewa on August 20, 2014 at 7:34 AM

HonestLib on August 20, 2014 at 7:33 AM

we expect you to let us know all of the holidays listed in your calendar every am now :)

cmsinaz on August 20, 2014 at 7:35 AM

Security services trying to identify Foley’s killer
British and American security services are trying to identify the British man who appeared to kill Foley in the Isis video, Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond has told ITV News.

He said: “Agencies on both sides of the Atlantic, are first of all looking to authentic the video … and then to see if we can identify the individual in question.”

A linguistics expert has told British radio station LBC that the masked IS militant who beheaded James Foley is probably from London.

Claire Hardaker, a lecturer in Linguistics and English Language at Lancaster University, said:

We seem to have definitely southern vowels in there, we’ve got some interesting pronunciations – he says the word ‘Muslims’, he says it in quite an interesting way …You kind of use a ‘Muz’ sound and he’s doing a ‘Mus’ …as in he does an unvoiced ‘s’ when he says it …

We’re definitely looking at a British accent, from the south and probably from London.

kcewa on August 20, 2014 at 7:37 AM

this says it all about dear leader

cmsinaz on August 20, 2014 at 7:38 AM

That’s what grand juries do. They investigate to see if there’s enough evidence to bring charges. Some states require a grand jury indictment before any felony can be brought to the courts.

kcewa on August 20, 2014 at 7:34 AM

I get that Captain Obvious. What I don’t understand is how you present evidence to a grand jury before the investigation is complete. Does the DA go with the lies being told by the Brown family?

Happy Nomad on August 20, 2014 at 7:39 AM

Any police department without dash cam should be viewed with suspicion.

A dash cam is fixed on the dashboard of a police cruiser — the view is forward, through the windshield.

Most (if not all) of this incident occurred on the left side of the police car — out of the dash cam’s field of vision.

At most, it may have recorded some of the sounds of the incident but not video of the incident.

It may have provided some evidence — which can be willingly ignored or purposely distorted, such as what we’ve seen in yours, and others, comments here.

Crooks…all of them.

weedisgood on August 19, 2014 at 10:54 PM

At least you’re keeping an open mind and not rushing to judgment until all of the information becomes available. /

Alien on August 20, 2014 at 7:40 AM

this says it all about dear leader

cmsinaz on August 20, 2014 at 7:38 AM

I gotta disagree with you cmsinaz. I think the fact that nobody from this administration bothered showing up for General Greene’s funeral at Arlington says it all. While the highest-ranking officer killed in a combat zone since Vietnam was laid to rest, the rat-eared wonder was worried about the lie of his ball at the Vineyard Country Club.

Happy Nomad on August 20, 2014 at 7:42 AM

Don’t ask me why she bought one this late in the year other than to tell me I like useless information.

Calendars are cheaper if you buy them later in the year. And your other reason is valid, too. ;)

Have a good day and good karma to all the rest.

HonestLib on August 20, 2014 at 7:33 AM

May I second that emotion?

I have to go to bed early so can’t stay up for the QOTD. Sleep apnea complications, or such. I’m missing all the fun.

Alien on August 20, 2014 at 7:43 AM

great take KJ….i should have read that before I saw that link on drudge….

shameful

cmsinaz on August 20, 2014 at 7:43 AM

Happy Nomad on August 20, 2014 at 7:42 AM

you got me there…..i stand corrected

cmsinaz on August 20, 2014 at 7:45 AM

And if you really can’t function with some give and take—a few nasty names, a little argument, a little bitty skull fracture—of the sort that people in all sorts of jobs put up with every damned day, do us all a favor: quit.

talkingpoints on August 20, 2014 at 7:53 AM

I just saw the mobs yelling “Who do we want? Darren Wilson! How do we want him? Dead!”

Cindy Munford on August 19, 2014 at 10:49 PM

Allah race panderer was probably in the crowd.

talkingpoints on August 20, 2014 at 7:56 AM

I’m just posting this for the hell of it….

100.7 THE VIPER

***BREAKING NEWS***
Remember, you saw it and heard it here first. We have heard (from a VERY connected national media source) that Ferguson officer Darren Wilson will be cleared in the shooting of Michael Brown. The key: Dorian Johnson has now admitted that Michael Brown attacked Officer Wilson and attempted to take his gun. OFFICER WILSON WILL NOT BE CHARGED! This is scary. When this news is made official, we all have reason to be concerned about the reaction.

sentinelrules on August 19, 2014 at 11:06 PM

Allah race panderer reaction-NOOOOOO! Wilson has been tried in the court of public opinion! He must be burned at the stake! Cops are guilty til proven innocent! What kind of coward views a skull fracture as a prelude to grievous bodily harm? He should have threatened to call Brown’s mom. There was no call for violence!

talkingpoints on August 20, 2014 at 8:01 AM

I get that Captain Obvious. What I don’t understand is how you present evidence to a grand jury before the investigation is complete. Does the DA go with the lies being told by the Brown family?

Happy Nomad on August 20, 2014 at 7:39 AM

The grand jury hears the evidence while the investigation is going on. It’s part of the investigation. The idea is to let citizens have the final say in bringing an indictment – not the government.

The Brown’s attorney isn’t happy about this either so I guess you and he agree on something at least.

kcewa on August 20, 2014 at 8:03 AM

kingsjester on August 20, 2014 at 7:29 AM

Great write up. A couple observations, if I may.

The fact that Romney refused to fight King Putz disqualifies him to be president -ever-. The nation required him to fight and Romney refused. Liberty and justice are not free, easy or entirely clean. Occasionally you get dirty in a fight, but you have to be IN the fight and Romney just doesn’t have the stomach or the balls for it.

King Putz had nothing to say about an American general getting ambushed, nor did he attend the funeral, but now he’s going to speak about this journalist?

The only way to stop ISIS is to kill them. All of them. But King Putz won’t do that, for a number of reasons.

dogsoldier on August 20, 2014 at 8:05 AM

That’s because they would run the protesters over with tanks by now.

RickB on August 19, 2014 at 11:51 PM

Well, it’s an idea. Kidding, kidding.

talkingpoints on August 20, 2014 at 8:11 AM

I get that Captain Obvious. What I don’t understand is how you present evidence to a grand jury before the investigation is complete. Does the DA go with the lies being told by the Brown family?

Happy Nomad on August 20, 2014 at 7:39 AM

My understanding is that witnesses are called. I think the prosecuter selects the witnesses and they are questioned in front of the grand jury under oath.

According to the Fox legal analysts last night, hearsay is permitted in front of the grand jury. The question of whether or not outside counsel is permitted to address the grand jury was not raised. My thought would be not, but I am not certain.

I would think the autopsy results, tox screen, evidnece of the robbery, evidence of Wilson’s injuries, testimony from Johnson and testimony from Wilson would be the bare minimum of what was presented.

talkingpoints on August 20, 2014 at 8:16 AM

Hammond says the possible involvement of a Briton underscored the risks that those now fighting with Islamic militants could return to Britain and carry out attacks at home.

kcewa on August 20, 2014 at 6:58 AM

You mean like the two Muslim extremists that hacked of the British military man’s head in broad daylight? Nah. Never happen.

talkingpoints on August 20, 2014 at 8:22 AM

cmsinaz on August 20, 2014 at 7:43 AM
dogsoldier on August 20, 2014 at 8:05 AM

Thank you both!

It has always ground my shorts that Romney fought harder against the Republican Contenders, than he did Obama.

Jim Foley had been in captivity since 2012.

kingsjester on August 20, 2014 at 8:26 AM

justltl on August 20, 2014 at 12:24 AM

For the record, I’m a Dudette… ;-)

Oops. I see that now.
My apologies, young lady.
*bows*

justltl on August 20, 2014 at 8:35 AM

Resist We Much on August 20, 2014 at 12:31 AM

Great write up on permanent indenture and its origins.

dogsoldier on August 20, 2014 at 8:48 AM

We should not validate their ridiculous claims with any validation or respect.

bluegill on August 20, 2014 at 12:03 AM

You bring up a few good points, in a round-about-way. For me it is about self-respect first then respect for others second. When I see a single mother; with many children who needs the support of the state to exist; poorly educated; asking for a hand out not a hand up….my initial thought is not along the lines of “welfare queen”, “trailer trash”, or “those folks deserve what they get due to their voting habits”.

My initial response is to think “there is a woman with a tough row to hoe and the cycle of poverty has not been broken in her life”. My second thought is how can I truly help. Most times I have no answer.

Have a friend who lived in Jersey and was always in trouble and his whole family spent times in Rikers Island. Got him to move down and I hired him. He had this idea to start a training program for the type of work we do and I helped him financially to set up a training program, and to date we have trained a little over 100 folks, mostly minorities, poor, and with troubled pasts……a very valuable skill. About half have gone on to work for my competitors and the rest work for me. Average salary is around $60,000.

I may not have helped the young lady above directly, but I found a way to be part of the solution and not part of the problem. Trust me, I am a very flawed individual and if all folks thought like you say you do in your comment on this thread; I never would have received help from others to dig myself out of poverty. Individuals folks did that on their on and I never got an answer why from them at the time. Many, many years later I now know why.

Not picking on you; just giving you, and a few more since this is a public forum, my personal thoughts.

HonestLib on August 20, 2014 at 8:58 AM

I get that Captain Obvious. What I don’t understand is how you present evidence to a grand jury before the investigation is complete. Does the DA go with the lies being told by the Brown family?

Happy Nomad on August 20, 2014 at 7:39 AM

Which specific investigation are you talking about, and which one is being partially presented to the DA? I know of three investigations. In the Zimmerman case the FBI presented a report to Attorney Journal Eric Holder which came to the conclusion that their was not enough evidence to convict Zimmerman and this report was ignored.

Just asking because, while I have keep up with the case, I have no idea of what is be presented to the DA for evidence to consider proceeding with a grand jury.

Not saying your are wrong at all, just saying I ain’t looking for a fight.

HonestLib on August 20, 2014 at 9:20 AM

My apologies, Justltl. I’m sorry for the rose-coloured glasses reference.

Newtie and the Beauty on August 20, 2014 at 12:43 AM

No, no- you are probably right.
I rarely put those glasses on and, when I do, I’m never surprised when the world subsequently turns out to be less than rose-colored.

And, of course, overall it doesn’t matter whether Brown was a saint, a thug, or somewhere in between prior to the episode.
Even if he was just a kid playing badass- from the time he battered Wilson and tried to take his gun, as well as when he bull-rushed him, he became a dangerous criminal and a threat to the life and limb of Wilson. Wilson, who is probably a good cop (rose colored glasses back on?) did what he had to do.

justltl on August 20, 2014 at 9:44 AM

justltl on August 20, 2014 at 9:44 AM

Even if Brown was still alive, we will never get the full truth. From all the “facts” I still can’t tell you what exactly happened and without the final time-line from the investigation, I am remaining quite. I do have my own opinions, but will wait.

Prints or the lack of prints will be important. To be honest, your longer post in this thread is a very plausible scenario.

HonestLib on August 20, 2014 at 10:03 AM

HonestLib on August 20, 2014 at 10:03 AM

Who knows, maybe there’s a video of the entire episode out there or truthful eye witnesses who will speak up.
For the moment, and unless proven otherwise, I’m thinking that Wilson made a righteous shooting.

justltl on August 20, 2014 at 10:25 AM

Here’s hoping for a deliberate and honest investigation un-influenced by politics, agendas, personal attitudes of witnesses, or anything else that is not relevant to the issue at hand of whether the shooting was justified.

justltl on August 20, 2014 at 10:30 AM

Even if he was just a kid playing badass- from the time he battered Wilson and tried to take his gun, as well as when he bull-rushed him, he became a dangerous criminal and a threat to the life and limb of Wilson. Wilson, who is probably a good cop (rose colored glasses back on?) did what he had to do.

justltl on August 20, 2014 at 9:44 AM

Like I told Newtie, even here in the bastion of liberal insanity aka, California, attacking a cop, trying to take his gun, and then charging him will get you killed. In fact, I’m pretty sure it will get you killed anywhere in America. Hell, it’s such a sure fired certainty that that their is even a phrase to describe such an action, it’s “Suicide by Cop”.

To many people have rushed to judgment without having enough information to even make an informed guess as to what happened. I am not what anyone would consider a big supporter of the police, not by a long shot. But even I accept the reality that if you assault a man with a gun, the odds are very good that your actions will get you killed.

Assault a cop, and the best possible outcome, is you are going to jail. The cop you assault may not end up being the arresting officer, but eventually, you are going to jail. Let’s face it, if you are willing to assault an armed cop, then odds are, you are a danger to civil society.

Like I said before, I think your assessment that Micheal Brown was just a dumb kid, pulling a stupid dumb kid prank up until he assaulted Wilson is probably exactly what happened. That completely changed the second he assaulted a police officer. The second he turned and charged Wilson he went from dumb kid who just committed felony assault, to Darwin Award winner.

oscarwilde on August 20, 2014 at 11:29 AM

if you assault a man with a gun, the odds are very good that your actions will get you killed.
oscarwilde on August 20, 2014 at 11:29 AM

Probably true, but cops are supposed to trained, so Wilson has less of an excuse for murdering an unarmed teenager.

Assault a cop, and the best possible outcome, is you are going to jail. The cop you assault may not end up being the arresting officer, but eventually, you are going to jail.

oscarwilde on August 20, 2014 at 11:29 AM

Exactly, and according to witnesses, Wilson started shooting at Brown after Brown was fleeing and not a danger to Wilson. Wilson could have just let him run and have Brown arrested later. Wilson, a trained cop, chose to start shooting at an unarmed fleeing suspect and ended up killing him. That is murder, and Wilson should be charged, jailed and tried.

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williamg on August 20, 2014 at 7:09 PM

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