Kochs looking for a little revenge in Nevada?

posted at 3:21 pm on August 19, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

Well, who could blame them? After Harry Reid used the Senate floor for weeks to demagogue the owners of Koch Industries for their legal and instructive engagement in the political process, he had to be expecting a little pushback. The Kochs don’t do anything small, however, and Politico’s Ken Vogel and Burgess Everett report that they are laying the foundation for a two-year effort to send the Senate Majority Leader into a much-deserved political oblivion:

Harry Reid’s reelection is more than two years off, but the Koch brothers’ political machine is already methodically laying the groundwork that will be used to try to take him out.

The efforts in recent months have been largely subterranean, but they are unmistakable. A handful of nonprofit groups in the vast political network helmed by allies of the conservative billionaires Charles and David Koch have established or expanded permanent ground operations in Reid’s backyard. Focused on wooing key demographics like Latinos and veterans, they’ve also paid for ads assailing the Senate Democratic leader. …

As Reid last week ambled from an SUV to a side entrance of an MGM Grand here for a speech to the supportive United Steelworkers International Convention, he told POLITICO he wasn’t worried about the Koch forces’ buildup in his backyard. “I’ve always been targeted. … That’s not news,” he said, playfully dismissing a question about whether there was a personal element to the Koch effort. “I don’t see that they have any reason to come after me. Why would they?”

But a few minutes later, after taking the stage to Bob Marley’s “Get Up, Stand Up,” Reid confided to 2,500 cheering union members that, in fact, he is trying to personally antagonize the Kochs.

“Ladies and gentlemen, when I was walking in here today, somebody grabbed me from one of the Washington publications and said ‘the Koch brothers say they’re here organizing in Nevada,’” Reid regaled the crowd. “I said ‘why would they be worried about me? What have I done to bother them?’”

After allowing a brief, dramatic pause, he answered his own question boastfully: “Only everything I can, right?”

Reid’s bravado aside, he has bigger fish to fry at the moment. His biggest struggle is staying Majority Leader in the Senate for the next two years, and that’s looking less and less likely as the midterm campaigns heat up. He blew up the Montana race, which is unwinnable now, and the South Dakota race as well. He bragged to a Reno newspaper that the Democrats are in good position to retain control of the upper chamber, unless …

In the face of a challenging electoral landscape for his party in this year’s midterms, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid predicted this week they’ll hold onto their tenuous majority in the Senate barring some unforeseen incident.

“We’ll keep the majority unless something unexpected happens,”the Nevada Democrat told the Reno Gazette-Journal ahead of a local party confab Sunday.

Mr. Reid’s party currently holds a five-seat majority in the upper chamber, but open seats in Montana, South Dakota and West Virginia appear likely to flip to the GOP at this point. That means Republicans essentially need to unseat at least three incumbent Democrats in a handful of winnable races in states like North Carolina, Alaska, Arkansas and Louisiana, while retaining GOP-held seats in competitive races in Kentucky and Georgia, to re-take control of the chamber.

That’s for public consumption. Privately, Reid is seething over a White House that isn’t lifting a finger to help him on the election or much of anything else, the New York Times reports:

To Democrats in Congress who have worked with Mr. Obama, the indifference conveyed to Mr. Reid, one of the president’s most indispensable supporters, was frustratingly familiar. In one sense, Mr. Obama’s response was a reminder of what made him such an appealing figure in the first place: his almost innate aversion to the partisan squabbles that have left Americans so jaded and disgruntled with their political system. But nearly six years into his term, with his popularity at the lowest of his presidency, Mr. Obama appears remarkably distant from his own party on Capitol Hill, with his long neglect of would-be allies catching up to him.

In interviews, nearly two dozen Democratic lawmakers and senior congressional aides suggested that Mr. Obama’s approach has left him with few loyalists to effectively manage the issues erupting abroad and at home and could imperil his efforts to leave a legacy in his final stretch in office.

Grumbling by lawmakers about a president is nothing unusual. But what is striking now is the way prominent Democrats’ views of Mr. Obama’s shortcomings are spilling out into public, and how resigned many seem that the relationship will never improve. In private meetings, Mr. Reid’s chief of staff, David Krone, has voiced regular dismay to lawmakers and top aides about White House operations and competency across a range of issues, according to several Democrats on Capitol Hill.

So yes, Reid has to be a little nervous about what’s coming, especially since it’s mostly self-inflicted. Don’t be surprised if Reid looks for an opening to retire rather than run again in 2016.

Update: I wrote North Dakota when I meant South Dakota. I’ve fixed it above, and thanks to the commenters who flagged the error.


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He blew up the Montana race, which is unwinnable now, and the North Dakota race as well.

Don’t you mean the South Dakota race?

Bitter Clinger on August 19, 2014 at 3:27 PM

It’s the real thing

faraway on August 19, 2014 at 3:27 PM

The Koches really ought to start buying up Nevada casinos. That would really foul up Harry’s situation (i.e. — sic the hotel unions on the Koches, possibly damage the Nevada tourism industry).

jon1979 on August 19, 2014 at 3:28 PM

Don’t be surprised if Reid looks for an opening to retire rather than run again in 2016.

I don’t buy that. 2016 is supposed to be a potential windfall for Democrats in taking Senate seats. If he thinks the Dems can get the majority back in 2016 (assuming they lose it this year), he’ll run again.

Bitter Clinger on August 19, 2014 at 3:33 PM

Those filthy Koch bros didn’t earn their money the honest way like Harry Reid did!

/sarc

gwelf on August 19, 2014 at 3:33 PM

They need a strong candidate. Sandoval?

KW64 on August 19, 2014 at 3:33 PM

his almost innate aversion to the partisan squabbles that have left Americans so jaded and disgruntled with their political system. But nearly six years into his term, with his popularity at the lowest of his presidency, Mr. Obama appears remarkably distant from his own party on Capitol Hill, with his long neglect of would-be allies catching up to him.

Obama is a well poisoner who pretends to be above the fray.

crankyoldlady on August 19, 2014 at 3:34 PM

Don’t worry; the N”R”SC and the Rove/Chamber gang will save Dingy just like they did in 2010.

Steve Eggleston on August 19, 2014 at 3:36 PM

Go Koch brothers… your name is held in deep reverence by many on the right!!!!

Without you the left would so out spend us.

petunia on August 19, 2014 at 3:37 PM

To defeat Dingy Harry you need to have a fair and observed vote count. His election the last time was a fraud. He was behind in the polls 4-5% the whole race and then won by 4-5%. All the while not showing any concern over his reelection. He is a fraud, was elected on fraud and governs on fraud.

rjoco1 on August 19, 2014 at 3:38 PM

To Democrats in Congress who have worked with Mr. Obama, the indifference conveyed to Mr. Reid, one of the president’s most indispensable supporters, was frustratingly familiar. In one sense, Mr. Obama’s response was a reminder of what made him such an appealing figure in the first place: his almost innate aversion to the partisan squabbles that have left Americans so jaded and disgruntled with their political system. But nearly six years into his term, with his popularity at the lowest of his presidency, Mr. Obama appears remarkably distant from his own party on Capitol Hill, with his long neglect of would-be allies catching up to him.

Headline: “Useful idiots unexpectedly realize they were useful idiots”

dominigan on August 19, 2014 at 3:38 PM

Don’t worry; the N”R”SC and the Rove/Chamber gang will save Dingy just like they did in 2010.

Steve Eggleston on August 19, 2014 at 3:36 PM

By nominating Sharon Angle… a nut? I believe that was when I stopped supporting the Tea Party.

When the Tea Party got Reid re-elected… that was it. I will not support a movement that stupid ever again!!!

petunia on August 19, 2014 at 3:38 PM

To defeat Dingy Harry you need to have a fair and observed vote count. His election the last time was a fraud. He was behind in the polls 4-5% the whole race and then won by 4-5%. All the while not showing any concern over his reelection. He is a fraud, was elected on fraud and governs on fraud.

rjoco1 on August 19, 2014 at 3:38 PM

And not let the Tea Party nominate his opponent.

petunia on August 19, 2014 at 3:39 PM

petunia on August 19, 2014 at 3:38 PM

Sue Lowden gaffed her way right out of the primary, and Danny Tarkanian lost earlier than he was supposed to.

Now, go back to Kos.

Steve Eggleston on August 19, 2014 at 3:44 PM

By nominating Sharon Angle… a nut? I believe that was when I stopped supporting the Tea Party.

When the Tea Party got Reid re-elected… that was it. I will not support a movement that stupid ever again!!!

petunia on August 19, 2014 at 3:38 PM

“More RINOs, please!!!!!!!!”

Bitter Clinger on August 19, 2014 at 3:44 PM

“Kochs”

Boooo, hissss, spit.

Just kidding.

Dr. ZhivBlago on August 19, 2014 at 3:48 PM

Reid – too oblivion and beyond.
(with apologies to a certain Disney character)

IrishEyes on August 19, 2014 at 3:51 PM

So Petunia, you hate the tea party. Try to win without us. Loser

Capt Blasto on August 19, 2014 at 3:51 PM

Don’t you mean the South Dakota race?

Bitter Clinger on August 19, 2014 at 3:27 PM

Noah is rubbing off on Ed. Good catch, Bitter!!

Deano1952 on August 19, 2014 at 3:52 PM

too = to

Dang typos.

IrishEyes on August 19, 2014 at 3:52 PM

He declared the SD seat lost today.

Wethal on August 19, 2014 at 3:53 PM

Mr. Reid’s party currently holds a five-seat majority in the upper chamber, but open seats in Montana, South Dakota and West Virginia appear likely to flip to the GOP at this point. That means Republicans essentially need to unseat at least three incumbent Democrats in a handful of winnable races in states like North Carolina, Alaska, Arkansas and Louisiana, while retaining GOP-held seats in competitive races in Kentucky and Georgia, to re-take control of the chamber.

This article forgot to mention Iowa, where Joni Ernst(R) is slightly ahead in the polls, and Colorado, where Cory Gardner trails Mark Udall by less than 2%, which is also a winnable race. Republicans lead in the polls in AR, LA, and NC, and trail in AK, whose Republican primary is today. That gives 6 “toss-up” states of which Republicans need only 3 to take the Senate majority, with a real possibility that Republicans might make it to 54 seats.

Reid definitely should be worried about losing his gavel soon.

Steve Z on August 19, 2014 at 3:57 PM

Update: I wrote North Dakota when I meant South Dakota. I’ve fixed it above, and thanks to the commenters who flagged the error.

Potayto/potahto, rubber bullets/ear plugs.

redzap on August 19, 2014 at 3:57 PM

Sue Lowden gaffed her way right out of the primary, and Danny Tarkanian lost earlier than he was supposed to.

Now, go back to Kos.

Steve Eggleston on August 19, 2014 at 3:44 PM

Reid actually wanted Angle nominated, and did whatever he could to make sure Lowden didn’t get the nomination. Smart strategy, as Reid ended up winning by a comfortable 5-point margin. I would be surprised if Reid runs for reelection if someone like Brian Sandoval or Joe Heck decides to run.

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/peter-roff/2010/11/08/how-harry-reid-beat-sharron-angle

GOPRanknFile on August 19, 2014 at 3:57 PM

Reid is a nasty, evil little liar. He is about 10 years past his expiration date to boot

Whitey Ford on August 19, 2014 at 4:00 PM

Aw. Will he have to give up his suite at the Ritz?

WhirledPeas on August 19, 2014 at 4:00 PM

obama will go to Ferguson “if the looting stops”.

This marriage btw. ISIS and the looters won’t turn out good for obama. He owns both, and the open borders too.

Schadenfreude on August 19, 2014 at 4:02 PM

Old American political axiom: Never pick a fight with a man who buys ink by the barrel.

New American political axiom: Never pick a fight with 2 men who can buy influence by the barrel.

formwiz on August 19, 2014 at 4:03 PM

Reid needs to be in the same creche with McCain, with Ms. Lindsey changing their diapers and Depends.

Schadenfreude on August 19, 2014 at 4:03 PM

obama will go to Ferguson “if the looting stops”.

Seriously? I guess grampa shamed him.

WhirledPeas on August 19, 2014 at 4:04 PM

obama will go to Ferguson “if the looting stops”.

This marriage btw. ISIS and the looters won’t turn out good for obama. He owns both, and the open borders too.

Schadenfreude on August 19, 2014 at 4:02 PM

That’s gutsy of him.

What will he say, how he calmed things down by staying away?

formwiz on August 19, 2014 at 4:04 PM

With zer0bama in retirement mode, and hildebeest, Dingy Harry and Pelozilla well on their way to the knackers, lots of nausea-inducing garbage soon leaves American politics. So there’s that.

MisterElephant on August 19, 2014 at 4:12 PM

It would be awesome if Obama decided to help Harry out and give him a very public Fredo kiss.

Egfrow on August 19, 2014 at 4:12 PM

Am I the only one who thinks Reid comes across as a pedophile?

Obamalies on August 19, 2014 at 4:17 PM

This article forgot to mention Iowa, where Joni Ernst(R) is slightly ahead in the polls, and Colorado, where Cory Gardner trails Mark Udall by less than 2%, which is also a winnable race. Republicans lead in the polls in AR, LA, and NC, and trail in AK, whose Republican primary is today. That gives 6 “toss-up” states of which Republicans need only 3 to take the Senate majority, with a real possibility that Republicans might make it to 54 seats.

Reid definitely should be worried about losing his gavel soon.

Steve Z on August 19, 2014 at 3:57 PM

It would be great if the GOP took all of those toss-up states. That would leave a little margin for Cochran and McConnell to lose and still see Harry Reid give up the gavel.

That’s asking too much, I know.

Bitter Clinger on August 19, 2014 at 4:18 PM

You and Mitch work it out

Schadenfreude on August 19, 2014 at 4:18 PM

I feel sorry for the Vegas working girls that have(made) to do service for him.That’s the real war on women.

docflash on August 19, 2014 at 4:19 PM

Seriously? I guess grampa shamed him.

WhirledPeas on August 19, 2014 at 4:04 PM

Not grampa, one of the black sports-figures. Heard on the radio.

Schadenfreude on August 19, 2014 at 4:20 PM

Not helping

Schadenfreude on August 19, 2014 at 4:29 PM

Am I the only one who thinks Reid comes across as a pedophile?

Obamalies on August 19, 2014 at 4:17 PM

I’ve heard those rumors as well.

slickwillie2001 on August 19, 2014 at 4:40 PM

…Reid definitely should be worried about losing his gavel soon.

Steve Z on August 19, 2014 at 3:57 PM

Dingy Harry has early onset Parkinsons, probably as a result of his short stint as an amateur boxer, so he’s losing much more than just a gavel.

slickwillie2001 on August 19, 2014 at 4:42 PM

Don’t worry; the N”R”SC and the Rove/Chamber gang will save Dingy just like they did in 2010.

Steve Eggleston

Sadly I agree with you. Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory seems to be a hallmark of our Republican “leadership”

Sigh.

E9RET on August 19, 2014 at 4:46 PM

Don’t be surprised if Reid looks for an opening to retire rather than run again in 2016.

Who would be surprised? Isn’t he like 80 years old already anyway? The best we can hope for is that the GOP takes the Senate this November, which will just put him out to pasture. In 2 years, without Obama aiding and abetting, with the rest of the Senate dems (whoever is left or not on the run) crying over Obamacare, Reid will be mostly forgotten. Neutered.
Assuming of course the GOP doesn’t steal defeat from the jaws of victory once again.

leftamark on August 19, 2014 at 4:54 PM

Don’t worry; the N”R”SC and the Rove/Chamber gang will save Dingy just like they did in 2010.

Steve Eggleston

Sadly I agree with you. Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory seems to be a hallmark of our Republican “leadership”

Sigh.

E9RET on August 19, 2014 at 4:46 PM

Yep, blame the Republicans… because the Democrats pay you to troll sites and make sure every single thing that happens is blame on the GOP.

I fell for that trick for a while… but you are Dem shills. Most of us got your number now.

petunia on August 19, 2014 at 4:59 PM

Only the New York Times could print, seemingly seriously, that Obama has

[an] almost innate aversion to the partisan squabbles that have left Americans so jaded and disgruntled with their political system.

Obama is, beyond dispute, the single most partisan, polarizing President since Franklin Roosevelt. Maybe more polarizing than Roosevelt. After all, Roosevelt let up on the partisan criticism when the US was drawn into WW2. Obama doesn’t let a little thing like war by Islamic fanatics or Russian renegades interfere with his war on Republicans.

Zumkopf on August 19, 2014 at 5:05 PM

You’ll note that Dirty Harry doesn’t libel the Koch brothers when he’s not on the Senate floor.

As for the Politico article…..left unsaid is that it’s okay when someone like Mark Steyer uses $50 MILLION of his own money to affect elections.

That’s “different”.

GarandFan on August 19, 2014 at 5:09 PM

Money talks and the Kochs have more money than the little man. With all eyes on him, Reid can’t steal any more money from the government. My guess is that Reid won’t run for re-election when he figures out he can’t win.

COgirl on August 19, 2014 at 5:10 PM

The USA, much less the entire world, will be a much better place when Reid leaves it.

Of course the Ritz Carlton in WDC will lose one of their best and longest customers. How does Reid get away with that? Oh, right, 98% fascist propaganda media. Not that their clear bias has anything to do with the clear bias in the media. Nada. Zilch. Zero. Nothing.

jukin3 on August 19, 2014 at 5:15 PM

Karma is a bitch….

sorrowen on August 19, 2014 at 5:23 PM

Yep, blame the Republicans… because the Democrats pay you to troll sites and make sure every single thing that happens is blame on the GOP.

I fell for that trick for a while… but you are Dem shills. Most of us got your number now.

petunia

Really? I’m a ?Dem Shill”? ;-) I have to think you haven’t read any of my comments. I started my political involvement as a “Young Republicans for Goldwater” and still have my AUH20 tee-shirt and can of “Goldwater” soda (I hope it was Ginger Ale). “Dem Shill”, I wonder if I should put that on my business cards? ;-)

I was just pointing out that the senior Republican leadership in Washington seem more interested in protecting their own from people like Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio than in getting Republicans elected.

I think there more than a few Republican senators who are afraid of winning the Senate because then they’ll be forced to actually govern. I think they like being in the minority because then they only have to whine. Actually governing will open them to criticism and I think they are terrible afraid of that.

E9RET on August 19, 2014 at 5:46 PM

The Koch brothers are not the first people Sen Reid has attacked from the Senate floor. Pretty sad when the leader of the Senate can and does attack individuals from the Senate floor knowing that he is by law immune from any civil liable/slander action, and then brag about it.

I’m thinking Sen Reid is a chickensh*t pipsqueak who has sold out this country as long as he and his sons can make a dollar selling out this country.

WestTexasBirdDog on August 19, 2014 at 6:01 PM

The gauntlet has been thrown. Take that dirty pedophile Harry Reid out.

ezspirit on August 19, 2014 at 6:30 PM

“I said ‘why would they be worried about me? What have I done to bother them?’”

Maybe they just just feel especially antagonized by alleged pedophiles…

JohnGalt23 on August 19, 2014 at 6:35 PM

I never thought of Nevada as steel country.

Grunt on August 19, 2014 at 6:38 PM

The violent, perverse acts Harry Reid has performed on innocent little boys makes me sick.

Fathom on August 19, 2014 at 6:39 PM

I’m sure there must be a few hiding out, but one wonders if there are any sane people left among Dem Washington politicians. Certainly not the leading ladies 0bama, Reid & Pelosi

russedav on August 19, 2014 at 7:00 PM

They need a strong candidate. Sandoval?

KW64 on August 19, 2014 at 3:33 PM

Him, or Joe Heck…

JohnGalt23 on August 19, 2014 at 7:27 PM

Back in the day, I served with a very large man, a sonar tech senior chief, who had a saying (which he lived by):

“When you f**k with the bull, you get the horns”

BobMbx on August 19, 2014 at 7:34 PM

By nominating Sharon Angle… a nut? I believe that was when I stopped supporting the Tea Party.

When the Tea Party got Reid re-elected… that was it. I will not support a movement that stupid ever again!!!

petunia on August 19, 2014 at 3:38 PM

It is T.E.A. Party you dolt. You know as in Tax. Enough. Already I’m guessing you are one of those people who doesn’t think we are taxed enough already.

Conservative4Ever on August 19, 2014 at 7:37 PM

Ooooh money is tooooo evil in politics! The Kochs get everything they want!!

What’s Harry Reid’s response? He’s not worried. Seems to show that he knows he’s demagoguing.

So is money in politics scary or not?

Axeman on August 19, 2014 at 7:44 PM

In interviews, nearly two dozen Democratic lawmakers and senior congressional aides suggested that Mr. Obama’s approach has left him with few loyalists to effectively manage the issues erupting abroad and at home and could imperil his efforts to leave a legacy in trail of wreckage his final stretch in office.

FIFY…

Newtie and the Beauty on August 19, 2014 at 7:48 PM

Yep, blame the Republicans… because the Democrats pay you to troll sites and make sure every single thing that happens is blame on the GOP.

I fell for that trick for a while… but you are Dem shills. Most of us got your number now.

petunia on August 19, 2014 at 4:59 PM

You sweet little petunia….you shouldn’t drink Lemberg vodka and post at the same time.

cthemfly on August 19, 2014 at 7:54 PM

Here’s to hoping Reid enjoys his eternity rotting in hell. I’m sure he has a nice warm spot reserved for him.

Meople on August 19, 2014 at 7:54 PM

By nominating Sharon Angle… a nut? I believe that was when I stopped supporting the Tea Party.
When the Tea Party got Reid re-elected… that was it. I will not support a movement that stupid ever again!!!
petunia on August 19, 2014 at 3:38 PM

Actually, Sharron Angle was leading Dinghy Harry 2-1, until results started coming in from Clark and Washoe counties…and then there was that funky electrical bobble in Vega$…

Newtie and the Beauty on August 19, 2014 at 8:04 PM

I don’t care what that hateful, senile old man says, I just care about the political strategies that will get rid of his nasty ass. Go Kochs!

RebeccaH on August 19, 2014 at 8:34 PM

Actually, Sharron Angle was leading Dinghy Harry 2-1, until results started coming in from Clark and Washoe counties…and then there was that funky electrical bobble in Vega$…

Newtie and the Beauty on August 19, 2014 at 8:04 PM

Years ago, Dingy Harry got the greedy-SEIU the job of deploying and maintaining the voting machines in Clark County. That will make any election in Nevada near-impossible for Republicans to win.

That’s the way Harry rolls.

slickwillie2001 on August 19, 2014 at 8:44 PM

In interviews, nearly two dozen Democratic lawmakers and senior congressional aides suggested that Mr. Obama’s approach has left him with few loyalists to effectively manage the issues erupting abroad and at home and could imperil his efforts to leave a legacy in trail of wreckage his final stretch stench in office.

FIFY…

Newtie and the Beauty on August 19, 2014 at 7:48 PM

FIFY

de rigueur on August 19, 2014 at 9:08 PM

Well Harry, when you dance with the devil in the pale moonlight, wear a chastity belt.

Diluculo on August 19, 2014 at 10:09 PM

Actually, Sharron Angle was leading Dinghy Harry 2-1, until results started coming in from Clark and Washoe counties…and then there was that funky electrical bobble in Vega$…

Newtie and the Beauty on August 19, 2014 at 8:04 PM

Clark and Washoe Counties… where 85% of the people live.

Angle was a bad call. Sandoval or Heck will kick the shiite of Reid. And then hopefully, the State of Nevada will put him behind bars for his multiple crimes…

JohnGalt23 on August 19, 2014 at 10:23 PM

Years ago, Dingy Harry got the greedy-SEIU the job of deploying and maintaining the voting machines in Clark County. That will make any election in Nevada near-impossible for Republicans to win.

That’s the way Harry rolls.

slickwillie2001 on August 19, 2014 at 8:44 PM

Which, of course explains Brian Sandoval, GOP, Gov. of Nevada.

Blaming losses on rigged machines is Loserspeak…

JohnGalt23 on August 19, 2014 at 10:26 PM

By nominating Sharon Angle… a nut? I believe that was when I stopped supporting the Tea Party.

When the Tea Party got Reid re-elected… that was it. I will not support a movement that stupid ever again!!!

petunia on August 19, 2014 at 3:38 PM

This fallacious statement assumes you at some point supported the Tea Party movement. That is an out-and-out lie. I was lurking here from before the Tea Party movement got its start through the 2010 election and beyond, and you have been a GOPe tool from Day 1.

Your concern is duly noted. Now crawl back under your bridge, troll.

Dunedainn on August 20, 2014 at 7:39 AM

Angle was a bad call. Sandoval or Heck will kick the shiite of Reid. And then hopefully, the State of Nevada will put him behind bars for his multiple crimes…

JohnGalt23 on August 19, 2014 at 10:23 PM

No, putting any faith whatsoever in Tokyo Rove was a bad call.

Dunedainn on August 20, 2014 at 7:41 AM