Is the press in Ferguson behaving irresponsibly?

posted at 8:41 am on August 19, 2014 by Noah Rothman

Since two reporters were detained by a heavy-handed Ferguson police last week, the media has been a part of the story of frustration, violence, and racial tension in Missouri. Most journalists and media professionals were, however, able to craft and observe moiety between themselves and the protesters they were covering. The distinction between reporter and subject has begun to blur.

This is a complex subject. The media has both a right and a responsibility to report from the ground in Ferguson. The press is correct to challenge authority, to broadcast images that the local police do not want seen, and to serve as a check on the power of law enforcement and the military. The media’s presence may have already acted as a fail-safe and prevented acts of excessive policing which would have only exacerbated an already tense situation and cast the entire crowd control effort in a negative light.

With that said, it is also clear that the press is no longer serving as objective chroniclers of the proceedings. In many ways, the media appears to believe that it is an active participant in the events in Missouri. What’s more, the press appears to be relishing this role.

On Monday, CNN’s Don Lemon, occupying a position on the front of a line of protesters which was being pushed back by police, adopted the incredulous tone of one of the protesters with whom he clearly identified when he, too, was physically removed by officers.

“You can see what’s happening,” he said as he was being cautiously moved. “We’ve been standing here all day. They told us to come here. I can’t move. I’m not going to resist a police officer.”

As night fell and the violence in Ferguson again erupted, police understandably – if not regrettably – began to allow the distinction between peaceful demonstrator and rioter to become confused. While this is a lamentable condition, and one that was far less excusable earlier in these protests, the escalating violence against police justifies it today.

During the cable news networks’ live broadcast of events in Ferguson last night, in which reporters filled the hours with increasingly frenetic prognoses about the worsening situation in Ferguson, it was impossible for the media to not become part of – if not central to – the story in Missouri.

“People are angry man, they are real angry,” MSNBC’s Chris Hayes after he was hit with a rock thrown by protesters.

“I have a pit in my stomach over where this is headed if something doesn’t change,” he later tweeted ominously.

Some of the media disagree. During the protests last night, the police asked the press to separate from the protesters. Many did not comply.

Even CNN’s Jake Tapper, a true professional and a consummate reporter, could not help but be swept up in the moment.

“These are armed police, with — not machine guns — semi-automatic rifles, with batons, with shields, many of them dressed for combat. Now why they’re doing this? I don’t know. Because there is no threat going on here. None that merits this,” Tapper observed. “Absolutely there have been looters, absolutely over the last nine days there’s been violence, but there is nothing going on on this street right now that merits this scene out of Bagram.”

“What is this?” He asked. “This doesn’t make any sense.”

Yes, the police and National Guard called in to quell what has been a situation characterized by coordinated violence against police officers did mount a display of overwhelming force, even before columns of peaceful protesters, in order to serve as a deterrent. Was this tactic called for last week? That is debatable, but most – including myself – would have said no. Is it justified this week? Without a doubt, it is.

“Our officers came under heavy gunfire,” said Police Capt. Ron Johnson, reporting that two people suffered gunshot wounds and four officers were wounded from projectiles hurled at them by protesters. “These are not acts of protesters, but acts of violent criminals.” He asks that protesters demonstrate during the day, because agitators use the night to execute attacks on police.

ABC’s Steven Portnoy reported that the protests have become a beacon for individuals looking to start violence, with many coming from as far as California and New York. The press cannot expect to be treated in a way that acknowledges their distinct status while the police are in fear for their lives.

None of this is to say that the police have comported themselves well throughout this ordeal, and few seem to have learned from their mistakes. In the same way that the Huffington Post’s Ryan Reilly and The Washington Post’s Wesley Lowery were detained without reason in by law enforcement, a Getty photographer was arrested because, as he said, “the media is required to be in a certain area.”

Crowd control requires managing the press just as it does for protesters, and it is the height of irresponsibility for reporters to create the conditions, as some have, which would force police to view them as a threat proportionate to that of the protesters. While police would be well-advised to avoid making martyrs of journalists, even if some appear to welcome that condition, there is only so much leeway law enforcement can provide.

What is going on in Ferguson is complicated, but the press may no longer be playing a helpful role. In fact, they could be inflaming a tense situation even further. While that is debatable, what is indisputable is what the media has become: part of the story.

UPDATE: It is worth noting that, later on Monday night, Tapper and his crew traveled to a less peaceful part of the city where he and the rest of the crowd were exposed to tear gas. He did not express any reservation about the police tactics in this instance, suggesting that he was not supportive of the protesters’ methods.


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We are all press now. How does a cop know if somebody waving a cell phone around is press or not? Since any one of us can set up a web page and start reporting, we are all the press now. I see no government remedy for this, it’s a feature.

rhombus on August 19, 2014 at 8:43 AM

Is the press in Ferguson behaving irresponsibly?

Does the Pope crap in the woods?

Shump on August 19, 2014 at 8:45 AM

If only the media was this intense with Benghazi…
Gun running…

Stuff like that…

Electrongod on August 19, 2014 at 8:45 AM

We are all press now. How does a cop know if somebody waving a cell phone around is press or not? Since any one of us can set up a web page and start reporting, we are all the press now. I see no government remedy for this, it’s a feature.

rhombus on August 19, 2014 at 8:43 AM

The government isn’t allowed to remedy it. First Amendment you know.

That said, the press has been behaving like jackasses. But so were the Ferguson police. Maybe if they’d paid more attention to actual looters and rioters and less to the press there might have been less looting and rioting.

From my reading of everything, I believe that in the end, the only person who did the right thing in this whole mess was the cop that shot doped up, violent, “strongarmer” Michael Brown.

After that, wrong decision after wrong decision created the current mess.

ConstantineXI on August 19, 2014 at 8:46 AM

In many ways, the media appears to believe that it is an active participant in the events in Missouri. What’s more, the press appears to be relishing this role.

Well, of course! They were active participants in the last two Presidential elections. Why should this be any different?

Mitoch55 on August 19, 2014 at 8:47 AM

ABC’s Steven Portnoy reported that the protests have become a beacon for individuals looking to start violence, with many coming from as far as California and New York.

A great example of the bullshit they’re spewing. How the hell did a bunch of ghetto-dwellers get from Cali or NY to Missouri? On a Greyhound bus? How are they gonna get their stolen flat screens back home? They come all that way for some free Newports and Night Train?

This is total bullshit, designed to make it seem as though Ferguson isn’t the lawless place that it is.

Rational Thought on August 19, 2014 at 8:48 AM

This is a complex subject.

It is not! The media/activists have become a part of the story because they have inserted themselves in the story. They have a narrative to prove.

d1carter on August 19, 2014 at 8:49 AM

Um… again, get the facts straight. The Ferguson Police haven’t had the lead on any of this from the get go. The Ferguson PD has 53 officers, do you really think they can handle this? The Ferguson PD has the oldest fleet in the entire St. Louis metro so they don’t have any of the “gadgets” that everyone is freaking out about. The Saint Louis County PD, the Saint Louis Metropolitan PD (the city) and other forces from around the county were there so stop saying the Ferguson PD. I live in a village that shares a border with Ferguson so learn your facts or be quiet.

MobileVideoEngineer on August 19, 2014 at 8:49 AM

With that said, it is also clear that the press is no longer serving as objective chroniclers of the proceedings.

Nobody ever said the press was required to do this? Poor Richard’s Almanac was far from objective. When MSNBC be-clowns themselves, as shameful as they are, they have every right to do this.

rhombus on August 19, 2014 at 8:49 AM

Some of them are behaving like attention wh0res and trying to make themselves part of the story.

Doughboy on August 19, 2014 at 8:52 AM

Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle applies here… the media’s observation of the events shapes what happens. Interfering with the cops, whether to get a news clip or to make one’s self part of the story, has an impact on the situation and only increases the need for aggressive crowd control.

blammm on August 19, 2014 at 8:54 AM

I saw a clip of Chris Hayes doing a live broadcast getting rocks thrown at him and another anchor last night. They were behind a fence reporting on they crazies there. And yes, they are.

First, one would think that the ‘protestors’ would know who their supporters were in the media and at least not stone them.

Second, after they were hit by the rocks, Hayes went on to apologize for and not condemn the protestors. He said they were still upset and it looked as though he felt they were entitled to throw rocks at people.

And third, if you choose to report from the epicenter of he action, don’t be surprised if you get hurt, shot, or arrested.

Patriot Vet on August 19, 2014 at 8:55 AM

They started it with the ‘Gentle Giant – Racist Pig’ narrative and wall-to-wall coverage.

They cheered the looters. (They are just poor people. Who can really blame them for wanting some rims, hair extensions, and Yellowtail Shiraz. It’s not fair that other people have them!)

Now, they wonder if maybe this whole thing might just be spinning out of control. Ya think?

Just wait until one of them gets popped by their precious poor, misunderstood downtrodden.

Resist We Much on August 19, 2014 at 8:55 AM

Since two reporters were detained by a heavy-handed Ferguson police last week, the media has been a part of the story of frustration, violence, and racial tension in Missouri.

The cops were not heavy handed. The two jokes of reporters were acting like aholes. Add your name to those who behave irresponsible, Rothman.

Blake on August 19, 2014 at 8:55 AM

Fox News reported last night there was 2 “journalists” for every protester…without one bit of irony.

d1carter on August 19, 2014 at 8:56 AM

When I tuned into a link provided to me from a HA commenter last evening, I made this comment.

Sure is a lot of media folks for such a small gathering…….riot.

Bmore on August 18, 2014 at 11:04 PM

Bmore on August 19, 2014 at 8:56 AM

“I have a pit in my stomach over where this is headed if something doesn’t change,” he later tweeted ominously.

And people have extremely different ideas about what needs to change.

Now what?

Bat Chain Puller on August 19, 2014 at 8:56 AM

“People are angry man, they are real angry,” MSNBC’s Chris Hayes after he was hit with a rock thrown by protesters.

“I have a pit in my stomach over where this is headed if something doesn’t change,” he later tweeted ominously.

I tell you what, let’s sent a billion dollars in Federal aide to the St Louis politicians (only the black ones) and have the residents line up for theirs (only the black ones). That’s what this is all about.

Marcus on August 19, 2014 at 8:58 AM

It lead me to conclude that the media and the race bait crowd are working to prop up this unrest in a superficial way.

Bmore on August 19, 2014 at 8:59 AM

Since two reporters were detained by a heavy-handed Ferguson police last week …

Seriously? Are you STILL whining about that, Noah?

Pork-Chop on August 19, 2014 at 9:01 AM

Since two reporters were detained by a heavy-handed Ferguson police

They weren’t heavy handed. They were evacuating the McDonalds for their own safety, and the reporters’ decided to stay in place and mouth off despite repeatedly being told “Let’s move!”

At least there was some poetic justice there, since one of those reporters was then confronted by a rioter a couple of nights later who pulled a knife on the guy and threatened to kill him. If that doesn’t it get it through these reporters’ thick skulls that yes, there is a danger to public safety, and yes, the police are actually trying to do their jobs rather than oppress, then nothing will.

Stoic Patriot on August 19, 2014 at 9:02 AM

I doubt many of those reporters are staying in hotels within Ferguson city limits. Would be a lot better for the community if they would at least contribute to the local tax base.

Ferguson has a %4+ city sales tax. That could go a long way to repairing damage after this is all over. Alas, I would venture a guess that most of the media flocking in are commuting via I-70.

airupthere on August 19, 2014 at 9:06 AM

Noah, come on, HA sided with the protesters early on. You know the pigs had all that camo and tanks on the street, forcing the protesters to be violent and mistreating fellow reporters.

d1carter on August 19, 2014 at 9:07 AM

Democrats trying to stop Democrats from rioting and looting, while being covered by a democrat press…

Own it j—offs…

PatriotRider on August 19, 2014 at 9:07 AM

Not to worry, help is on the way. Eric Holder will be in town tomorrow.

d1carter on August 19, 2014 at 9:09 AM

Since two reporters were detained by a heavy-handed Ferguson police last week …

Groups of rioters with a rocks in hand are definitely more heavy-handed.

Maybe that is why they have to throw the rocks. Lighten the heavy-handedness and all that…

airupthere on August 19, 2014 at 9:09 AM

Since two reporters were detained by a heavy-handed Ferguson police last week, the media has been a part of the story of frustration, violence, and racial tension in Missouri.

Wow! Off to a biased start from the very first sentence!

Happy Nomad on August 19, 2014 at 9:11 AM

With that said, it is also clear that the press is no longer serving as objective chroniclers of the proceedings. In many ways, the media appears to believe that it is an active participant in the events in Missouri. What’s more, the press appears to be relishing this role.

Much like HotAir’s contributors in the first couple of nights when they were doing their best “Freedom! Liberty! Down with the man! Fight the system!” libertarian routine. About the only HA contributor who didn’t thoroughly embarrass himself was Jazz Shaw.

Stoic Patriot on August 19, 2014 at 9:11 AM

Why report the news when you can make the news?

TimBuk3 on August 19, 2014 at 9:12 AM

Of course the “press” is behaving irresponsibly. They’re egging this thing on…I saw one of them wonder what would happen if the police reduced their presence. Yeah? What would happen if the media did the same? The cameras would be gone, the people inserting themselves in this to make themselves part of the story would be gone, and all of a sudden these so-called protestors would have no audience for their ridiculous temper tantrum.

As far as Tapper’s observation, since when was editorializing part of his job? I’d like to see him stand there without the riot gear, without the batons and rifles, as those morons are throwing bottles and rocks and molotov cocktails, as they shoot off guns. Very easy to judge the police presence when you get to go back to your hotel suite at the end of the night, when you get to return to the confines of your comfy CNN studio once you’ve decided you’ve milked enough ratings from that sorry bunch.

changer1701 on August 19, 2014 at 9:12 AM

Little lies, Big lies, Old lies, New lies, to many lies to count, 50 years of lies, ABC, CBS, CNN, NBC, NSNBC, PB S lies.
The MSM can not trusted, will not be trusted, and is known by all except for main or minor members of said msm as 100 percent responsible for Fergenson and huge numbers of other LIE MADE problems.
They must be punished for these crimes.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on August 19, 2014 at 9:13 AM

katy the mean old lady on August 19, 2014 at 9:11 AM

LOL….

d1carter on August 19, 2014 at 9:13 AM

With that said, it is also clear that the press is no longer serving as objective chroniclers of the proceedings. In many ways, the media appears to believe that it is an active participant in the events in Missouri. What’s more, the press appears to be relishing this role.

The idea of the press as objective chroniclers was merely a passing idea, popular from the 1950s to the 1970s. There was no history of it from Gutenberg’s days to William Randolph Hearst and even through WWII.

And it really didn’t exist outside of the US.

rbj on August 19, 2014 at 9:13 AM

Yoy know, if these people want anarchy, maybe law enforcement and the military should just stay out of it-let the media and the rioters continue til they burn themselves out.

talkingpoints on August 19, 2014 at 9:14 AM

In many ways, the media appears to believe that it is an active participant in the events in Missouri. What’s more, the press appears to be relishing this role.

The media stopped REPORTING news and started CREATING the news years ago when they decided to get Obama elected. In their minds that’s their job now. They will craft a story to suit their agenda. Facts are intentionally suppressed if they don’t fit the narrative.

HotAirian on August 19, 2014 at 9:15 AM

A “Social Justice” reporter for Huffpo is no journalist at all, he is an advocate.

southsideironworks on August 19, 2014 at 9:15 AM

CNN spent 20 minutes interviewing a “free lance photographer” after he was hit with tear gas…..yes, two CNN anchors?

d1carter on August 19, 2014 at 9:16 AM

LIES KILL

TRUTH IS LIFE

CHOOSE LIFE

APACHEWHOKNOWS on August 19, 2014 at 9:18 AM

The OBAMA MOB MACHINE

…is beginning to ramp up.

We just need someone, anyone, but who???? to restore order and calm.

Is there a Federal leader that could do it?

Oh please help us we are suffering, we need Martial Law.

PappyD61 on August 19, 2014 at 9:18 AM

Look at your own house first.

Amjean on August 19, 2014 at 9:19 AM

Yoy know, if these people want anarchy, maybe law enforcement and the military should just stay out of it-let the media and the rioters continue til they burn themselves out.

talkingpoints on August 19, 2014 at 9:14 AM

Local Law Enforcement is made up of the people. They are supposed to protect the people.

I would guess that the local police, who are most likely residents of the city, are being sickened by what they see going on.

The Media and rioters are not local for the most part. Why on earth would Ferguson turn the city over to them?

airupthere on August 19, 2014 at 9:19 AM

Just say NO to irresponsible reporting.

Just say NO to Activist Journalism.

h/t cooterrepublica

Dolce Far Niente on August 19, 2014 at 9:20 AM

Noah, tripe….indistinguishable. I’m am now looking at the author before I open an article, I have never done that with hotair before his hiring. I think Ed hired Pajamaboy.

herm2416 on August 19, 2014 at 9:21 AM

“We’ve been standing here all day. They told us to come here. I can’t move. I’m not going to resist a police officer.”

If the young man who was shot had been as prudent as Don Lemon, we likely would not be watching these events unfold.

airupthere on August 19, 2014 at 9:22 AM

PS

Fully half of the “marchers” are smoking pot, other giving the finger, others worse and the media does what,,,,

“ya got more, we pay good””the finger thing can you do that and let us get it on tape,,,,,”

APACHEWHOKNOWS on August 19, 2014 at 9:24 AM

This is a complex subject. The media has both a right and a responsibility to report from the ground in Ferguson.

Yes, it is. But it’s also a “complex subject” when the police force deputized by the community to keep law and order is forced to restrict protests because of riots and looting.

The media are too self-important, and think their role of reporting authorizes them special treatment. It doesn’t.

There Goes the Neighborhood on August 19, 2014 at 9:25 AM

two reporters were detained by a heavy-handed Ferguson police last week

Is this the OWS Daily?

I don’t recognize Hot Air any more.

faraway on August 19, 2014 at 9:25 AM

PS

Fully half of the “marchers” are smoking pot, other giving the finger, others worse and the media does what,,,,

“ya got more, we pay good””the finger thing can you do that and let us get it on tape,,,,,”

APACHEWHOKNOWS on August 19, 2014 at 9:24 AM

I don’t think the Cleveland Browns vs. Washington Redskins with Johnny Manziel flipping the bird thread is up yet.

airupthere on August 19, 2014 at 9:26 AM

Short answer- no. And that includes Hot Air.

I’ve seen more tripe, speculation and supposition than facts. I’ve seen alleged “witnesses” who really didn’t see the altercation given credibility here.

Where are the facts? The truthful dialog? Nowhere in the reporting of this incident.

This is a tragedy for everyone involved. But let’s exploit it so we can get the latest us vs. them contest going. Let’s continue to divide each other based on nothing more than drama, jaded statements and people divining motive or intent.

Think about this for a moment, because it is the truth. Then think about what happens when the truth is finally revealed;

According to the version on KFTK, phoned in by a woman who identified herself as “Josie,” the altercation on August 9 began after Officer Darren Wilson rolled down his window to tell Brown and a friend to stop walking in the street.

When Wilson tried to get out of his cruiser, Brown first tried to push the officer back into the car, then punched him in the face and grabbed for his gun before breaking free after the gun went off once, the caller said.

Wilson pursued Brown and his friend, ordering them to freeze, according to the account. When they turned around, Brown began taunting Wilson, saying he would not arrest them, then ran at the officer at full speed, the caller said.

Wilson then began shooting. The final shot was to Brown’s forehead, and the teenager fell two or three feet in front of Wilson, said the caller, who identified herself as the officer’s friend.

A source with detailed knowledge of the investigation later told us the caller’s account is “accurate,” in that it matches what Wilson has told investigators.

Marcus Traianus on August 19, 2014 at 9:26 AM

They follow the same playbook in any “Crisis in the _________” story.

They’ll have a few moments of navel gazing and introspection on how they made the situation worse and then go do the same very exact thing when the next “event” happens.

Meanwhile, their victims get to sort through the burning rubble the media leaves behind.

Rinse, lather, repeat.

HumpBot Salvation on August 19, 2014 at 9:27 AM

Example:

John F. Kerry, 100% a lie. The msm knows it. The cover for him total.

He is their bright shinning lie.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on August 19, 2014 at 9:28 AM

You know the drill. For a few days the black citizens of Ferguson are the most important people on the planet. After the press leaves and the stores are boarded up, the flight of money and commerce accelerates, and the situation in Ferguson becomes more dire.

claudius on August 19, 2014 at 9:29 AM

LOL. Sweet Chrissy Hayes in the WAR ZONE …

http://cjzero.com/gifs/ChrisHayesGettingRocksThrownAtHim.gif

Pork-Chop on August 19, 2014 at 9:29 AM

Got lies will travel.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on August 19, 2014 at 9:30 AM

Much like HotAir’s contributors in the first couple of nights when they were doing their best “Freedom! Liberty! Down with the man! Fight the system!” libertarian routine. About the only HA contributor who didn’t thoroughly embarrass himself was Jazz Shaw.

Stoic Patriot on August 19, 2014 at 9:11 AM

No kidding. Quite a few conservative writers failed to exactly cover themselves in glory (looking at Erick Erickson here).

I am convinced at least part of the reason the riots got so out of control is that in those first few nights, the rioters were given a lot of leeway because the police were intimidated by criticism of their supposed “militarization” from both the left and the right.

Since two reporters were detained by a heavy-handed Ferguson police last week …

Seriously? Are you STILL whining about that, Noah?

Pork-Chop on August 19, 2014 at 9:01 AM

A lot of conservative writers have egg on their faces at the moment, for buying into the fairy tale that Brown was just innocently walking down the street and was brutally murdered by a deranged police officer, and then implicitly supporting the rioters and looters by complaining that police attempts to crack down on them were “too militarized.”

The arrest of the reporters is about the last place they can try to claim “the police acted stupidly.” I’d hoped that most of them would have acknowledged they were wrong by now, or at least switched positions quietly, but apparently not.

Doomberg on August 19, 2014 at 9:30 AM

LOL. Sweet Chrissy Hayes in the WAR ZONE …

http://cjzero.com/gifs/ChrisHayesGettingRocksThrownAtHim.gif

Pork-Chop on August 19, 2014 at 9:29 AM

LOL, indeed. Looks like Ned Pepper made it to Ferguson after all.

HumpBot Salvation on August 19, 2014 at 9:31 AM

This whole ordeal can be focused back to one singular overarching theme. There is a complete lack of leadership being demonstrated.

Local community leaders, Race leaders (Sharpton and Jackson), National media, State/Local politicians and Federal Politicians have all failed to calm the tensions and restore order.

Any one leader among those groups could have stepped up and been a calming voice to restore order. This is a failure in leadership more than anything.

airupthere on August 19, 2014 at 9:32 AM

A “Social Justice” reporter for Huffpo is no journalist at all, he is an advocate.

southsideironworks on August 19, 2014 at 9:15 AM

He ain’t even a smart advocate. He thought ear plugs were rubber bullets.

Resist We Much on August 19, 2014 at 9:33 AM

“People are angry man, they are real angry,” MSNBC’s Chris Hayes after he was hit with a rock thrown by protesters.

“I have a pit in my stomach over where this is headed if something doesn’t change,” he later tweeted ominously.

 

“These are armed police, with — not machine guns — semi-automatic rifles, with batons, with shields, many of them dressed for combat. Now why they’re doing this? I don’t know. Because there is no threat going on here. None that merits this,” Tapper observed. “Absolutely there have been looters, absolutely over the last nine days there’s been violence, but there is nothing going on on this street right now that merits this scene out of Bagram.”

“What is this?” He asked. “This doesn’t make any sense.”

 
Because massive, faceless, over-bearing, nanny-state, trust-us-it’s-for-your-protection central-control Obama-mmm-mmm-mmm government is awesome except for this sort of teensy little thing that isn’t indicative of anything else.

rogerb on August 19, 2014 at 9:33 AM

LOL. Sweet Chrissy Hayes in the WAR ZONE …

http://cjzero.com/gifs/ChrisHayesGettingRocksThrownAtHim.gif

Pork-Chop on August 19, 2014 at 9:29 AM

“Oooooh, they’re mad! PLEASE SIR, may I have another?!

Marcus on August 19, 2014 at 9:35 AM

“People are angry man, they are real angry,” MSNBC’s Chris Hayes after he was hit with a rock thrown by heavy-handed protesters.

FIFY Noah.

airupthere on August 19, 2014 at 9:35 AM

If the media all went home, would there be any riots in Ferguson tomorrow?

Probably not. The outside agitators come in precisely to make a media spectacle.

There Goes the Neighborhood on August 19, 2014 at 9:35 AM

This whole ordeal can be focused back to one singular overarching theme. There is a complete lack of leadership being demonstrated.

airupthere on August 19, 2014 at 9:32 AM

I disagree. Leadership is being demonstrated, it’s just the leaders are organizing violence in order to score political points and other paybacks (including cash).

Doomberg on August 19, 2014 at 9:35 AM

Hey Noah. You do realize that when it comes to a biased press pushing a dishonest agenda that you are part of the problem. Yes? Are you hoping to earn some credit for a gig at MSNBC or what?

HotAirian on August 19, 2014 at 9:36 AM

LOL. Sweet Chrissy Hayes in the WAR ZONE …

http://cjzero.com/gifs/ChrisHayesGettingRocksThrownAtHim.gif

Pork-Chop on August 19, 2014 at 9:29 AM

LOL, indeed. Looks like Ned Pepper made it to Ferguson after all.

HumpBot Salvation on August 19, 2014 at 9:31 AM

Wow! Saw the report last night, but not the footage. Hayes is quite feminine. Maybe they should have sent Maddow.

Bmore on August 19, 2014 at 9:37 AM

The arrest of the reporters is about the last place they can try to claim “the police acted stupidly.” I’d hoped that most of them would have acknowledged they were wrong by now, or at least switched positions quietly, but apparently not.

Doomberg on August 19, 2014 at 9:30 AM

Well, we all know that Noah is desperate to keep the “bad police” narrative alive – he has dug himself in so deep, he has no other choice but to keep digging.

Pork-Chop on August 19, 2014 at 9:38 AM

One benefit to the massive amount of media coverage is that there should be plenty of evidence against the rioters/looters.

airupthere on August 19, 2014 at 9:42 AM

“These are armed police, with — not machine guns — semi-automatic rifles, with batons, with shields, many of them dressed for combat. Now why they’re doing this? I don’t know. Because there is no threat going on here.

In a moment it turns…

As soon as these rioters see an opening, they attack…

How stupid and naive can Jake be…it just shows that journalists, even the ones considered the brightest, are not too smart.

A mob turns violent in mere moments with just one throw of a rock, one gunshot, one “charge” of one person, who is wrestled to the ground.

Jake, without the high profile of the police and guard…you would be torn apart in minutes by these animals.

right2bright on August 19, 2014 at 9:43 AM

Wow! Saw the report last night, but not the footage. Hayes is quite feminine. Maybe they should have sent Maddow.

Bmore on August 19, 2014 at 9:37 AM

I think Hayes was hoping he was going to be taken hostage by the NBP’s. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

HumpBot Salvation on August 19, 2014 at 9:45 AM

two reporters were detained by a heavy-handed Ferguson police last week

Noah, why don’t you jump back into this thread and tell use what was heavy-handed about the cops handling of the reporters in Micky D’s?

Have you ever covered an assignment on the ground where there was a police presence? When you were working at some of your past gigs, did you have a journalist guideline from your company telling you to act like idiots when confronted by authorities?

What is your qualifications for wording the statement in the way that you did?

Inquiring minds want to know. And don’t try to tap dance me, I do what you do for a living.

Walter L. Newton on August 19, 2014 at 9:46 AM

I disagree. Leadership is being demonstrated, it’s just the leaders are organizing violence in order to score political points and other paybacks (including cash).

Doomberg on August 19, 2014 at 9:35 AM

I think you give them too much credit.

You imply that this situation remains out of control by design, I disagree whole-heartedly. With the exception of the Sharpton types and the media, who gain from this financially, no one else (besides the looters) gains from this. This is a total loss for everyone else.

Those who can cash in on the racial animus and personally benefit is not a demonstration of leadership. It is opportunistic in a con-man sort of way. In no way is that a demonstration of effective leadership.

airupthere on August 19, 2014 at 9:49 AM

“heavy handed” is the media phrase of the day.

d1carter on August 19, 2014 at 9:50 AM

I’ve seen more tripe, speculation and supposition than facts. I’ve seen alleged “witnesses” who really didn’t see the altercation given credibility here.

Where are the facts? The truthful dialog? Nowhere in the reporting of this incident.Marcus Traianus on August 19, 2014 at 9:26 AM

Isn’t it amazing?! There is nowhere to go to get the facts. Everyone, HA included, just make stuff up. That posting about a third “witness” yesterday just floored me in that there was no skepticism at all about her “eyewitness” account. She just repeated everything she heard from a complicit media!

Vince on August 19, 2014 at 9:50 AM

“People are angry man, they are real angry,” MSNBC’s Chris Hayes after he was hit with a rock thrown by heavy-handed protesters.

How about that? Well, when you’re a feminine looking
white dude with a fanny pack going into a neighborhood like this……

ToddPA on August 19, 2014 at 9:51 AM

Wow! Saw the report last night, but not the footage. Hayes is quite feminine. Maybe they should have sent Maddow.

Bmore on August 19, 2014 at 9:37 AM

Rick Madcow could probably take a punch better than Chrissy Hayes.

ConstantineXI on August 19, 2014 at 9:52 AM

How about that? Well, when you’re a feminine looking
white dude with a fanny pack going into a neighborhood like this……

ToddPA on August 19, 2014 at 9:51 AM

About the only good Prissy Hayes would do in a combat situation would be take a bullet that would have otherwise hit a real soldier.

ConstantineXI on August 19, 2014 at 9:55 AM

I would guess that the local police, who are most likely residents of the city, are being sickened by what they see going on.

airupthere on August 19, 2014 at 9:19 AM

No, they’re usually not. It is likely they are local to St Louis, but not to Ferguson itself. Police departments do not hire as locally as they otherwise might, so the composition of the force is often not representative – especially in places where becoming a police officer is considered “acting white”.

It’s one of the problems of the “professionalization” of police forces. It’s harder to recognize that “the public are the police and the police are the public” concept when you hire from outside the jurisdiction. Of course, sometimes you hire from outside the jurisdiction because it’s the only way to get competent law enforcement. A catch-22, for certain.

GWB on August 19, 2014 at 9:56 AM

GWB on August 19, 2014 at 9:56 AM

Interesting information, thanks for sharing. I live in flyover country. Most of our local cops are born and raised here.

Based on your take, I can see why there is such a mistrust even of local law enforcement.

airupthere on August 19, 2014 at 9:59 AM

Do the national media bring security with them or do they rely upon law enforcement in situations like this?

airupthere on August 19, 2014 at 10:00 AM

Most journalists and media professionals were, however, able to craft and observe moiety between themselves and the protesters they were covering.

Moiety?

I absolutely love it when ‘journalists’ use words like this. It tells me everything I need to know about them.

Hint: Stop trying to convince everyone of your superior intellect by using arcane words. Start trying to convince them by using logic, reason and objectivity.

BierManVA on August 19, 2014 at 10:01 AM

The press cannot expect to be treated in a way that acknowledges their distinct status while the police are in fear for their lives.

Phuck the press, they created this situation, let them be the first to be beaten to death by the angry mob they created.

oscarwilde on August 19, 2014 at 10:03 AM

Human nature is to deny someone else being just as capable of error and failure while expecting that same person to live up to a standards and responsibilities they – those with the “expectations” – would never have the courage to assume. Good cops make a decision, whether consciously or not, to do something for someone else. There are bad cops who do such things for a petty power rush, and anyone can fall into the trap. But my impression is that most don’t.

Journalists, especially over the last 40 years since I exited the “business” have for the most part abandoned any acknowledgment of the fact that the hardest thing they must do is keep their damned noses and opinions out of the news. That is the bottom line which makes them journalists. If not, they are only cheap agitators without the ethics to know the difference.

RL on August 19, 2014 at 10:05 AM

Journalists, especially over the last 40 years since I exited the “business” have for the most part abandoned any acknowledgment of the fact that the hardest thing they must do is keep their damned noses and opinions out of the news. That is the bottom line which makes them journalists. If not, they are only cheap agitators without the ethics to know the difference.

RL on August 19, 2014 at 10:05 AM

Kinda like this?

Since two reporters were detained by a heavy-handed Ferguson police last week,

BierManVA on August 19, 2014 at 10:08 AM

Deprive the story of oxygen and the flames cool down.
seems like many are just interested in being “FACEBOOK FAMOUS”
Only relevant for a moment then forgotten when in the wake of the
next crisis. Shiny object while we forget about open borders and the caliphate

MI Darby on August 19, 2014 at 10:10 AM

The press behaving irresponsibly? It will be news when the press decides to behave responsibly. Out of curiosity I turned on Fox last night around 11:30. They had Shep Smith directing traffic from NY or wherever he is back and forth to two reporters on the ground in Ferguson. The live video showed there were more press there than protestors and all the drama was made for TV. The presence of dozens of cameras was the driving force behind any action, with protestors wanting to be on live TV, screaming and acting like clowns.

The media wants ratings and could care less about truth. Manufacturing drama is the name of the game. If somebody dies, even better.

hamiltmc on August 19, 2014 at 10:19 AM

Human nature is to deny someone else being just as capable of error and failure while expecting that same person to live up to a standards and responsibilities they – those with the “expectations” – would never have the courage to assume. Good cops make a decision, whether consciously or not, to do something for someone else. There are bad cops who do such things for a petty power rush, and anyone can fall into the trap. But my impression is that most don’t.

J

RL on August 19, 2014 at 10:05 AM

The problem is not that some cops are bad. This is the most common of all misconceptions. The problem is that they are individuals who have sworn to uphold laws passed by a progressively oppressive government. That which allows them to uphold those laws, is the Government’s Monopoly on Violence which the police are the very personification of.

The police to not make the laws, they enforce them, and they do so under order from the State, Local or Federal Government to employ such physical force, including deadly force, as is required to force the public to submit to their authority.

The more corrupt the Government becomes, the more oppressive the laws it passes, and the more oppressive the boot upon the neck of every citizen, that boot just happens to belong to the police.

Remember, the KGB, the Stasi and even the Gestapo were all legitimate Law Enforcement Agencies. Agencies who enforced, not wrote the laws. As a government becomes more and more corrupt and oppressive, all legitimate Law Enforcement Agencies eventually become the KGB, the Stasi or the Gestapo.

This is the real problem.

oscarwilde on August 19, 2014 at 10:21 AM

The media has forfeited it’s constitutional right under the 1st Amendment the day they became the lapdog of the left instead of the watchdog of the people. Honest journalism is dead and has been replaced by sensationalism and politically correct propaganda, and should be buried the smell is overwhelming.

savage24 on August 19, 2014 at 10:24 AM

Remember, the KGB, the Stasi and even the Gestapo were all legitimate Law Enforcement Agencies. Agencies who enforced, not wrote the laws. As a government becomes more and more corrupt and oppressive, all legitimate Law Enforcement Agencies eventually become the KGB, the Stasi or the Gestapo.

This is the real problem.

oscarwilde on August 19, 2014 at 10:21 AM

Hence the conservative/libertarian objection to militarized police.

ConstantineXI on August 19, 2014 at 10:24 AM

The police in Ferguson certainly haven’t been perfect in all this. The ham-handed way some information has been released, the detaining of the 2 reporters (who I do think were trying to make themselves a story but probably didn’t warrant the detention), and the tear gas fired at the AJA camera crew when they were simply taking video are the main examples.

However, the “protestors” and media are also to blame. For starters, what’s the need to “protest” between midnight and 5 am? The point of the protests is to call attention to your cause, but the majority of America is in bed during this time period. Daylight and early evening protesting seems to me to have to most effectiveness at promoting your cause. This middle-of-the-night stuff is just encouraging the criminal element to use it for their own purposes.

The police are in a no-win situation. When they use “heavy-handed” tactics, rioting/looting occurs. When they pull back completely, rioting/looting occurs. When they try something in between thsoe 2 extremes, rioting/looting occurs. There seems to be a constant in all those scenarios, and doesn’t seem to be coming from the police.

Bitter Clinger on August 19, 2014 at 10:28 AM

I’m reposting from one of the Headlines threads. I think it fits here as well.

Bitter Clinger on August 19, 2014 at 10:30 AM

This is not a 1st amendment area.

That corral over there is the 1st amendment area. Stick to it!

NullUnit60 on August 19, 2014 at 10:33 AM

Is a free lance photographer a “journalist”…or just a guy with a camera?

d1carter on August 19, 2014 at 10:33 AM

“No Justice, No Peace” needs to be replaced with “No Cameras, No Violence”.

Tater Salad on August 19, 2014 at 10:35 AM

I’ve had many press passes over the years.

You don’t just show up and announce that you are media, and expect a get out of jail free card. It is a privilege not a right. Writing about it is protected, attendance is not.

READ the back of your press pass. It does not allow you to stroll anywhere you want, and can be revoked at any time.

I had one of mine pulled at ground zero, after obeying an order to leave, and while exiting, met the same cop a second time. I tried to explain that we were leaving, and had been rerouted by a second officer. He took my press pass (actually, it belonged to the NYPD according to the pass, so they took it back.) I was later able to retrieve it at PD HQ.

Wander on August 19, 2014 at 10:36 AM

Like the proverbial tree falling in the woods, if there were no police or media would the protesters show up?

Tater Salad on August 19, 2014 at 10:37 AM

What happens if the cop is exonerated? Will the press report that as justice having been served or will it seek to ferment more violence for its own ratings and victim agenda? Will anyone in the media accept responsibility for reacting before the facts were learned once again?

Ellis on August 19, 2014 at 10:39 AM

Moiety?

I absolutely love it when ‘journalists’ use words like this. It tells me everything I need to know about them.

Hint: Stop trying to convince everyone of your superior intellect by using arcane words. Start trying to convince them by using logic, reason and objectivity.

BierManVA on August 19, 2014 at 10:01 AM

I think this just proves the writer got his bachelor’s in Anthropology rather than going to J-school.

During the ’68 riots in Chicago, members of my family who lived in the area reported seeing groups of the “protesters” actually go looking for news crews to film them behaving riotously. They’d smoke and drink Cokes until the cameras were on them.

I don’t doubt that sort of media-driven behavior has happened at every single incidence of so-called civil unrest since at least the passage of the Civil Rights Act.

Dolce Far Niente on August 19, 2014 at 10:46 AM

So where are the journalists standing with the police to give us their perspective?

taznar on August 19, 2014 at 10:54 AM

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