Two eyewitness accounts of the Michael Brown shooting

posted at 12:01 pm on August 18, 2014 by Allahpundit

Some of you saw these elsewhere over the weekend but I want to put them together for those who didn’t, especially given the interest in the new autopsy report. Here’s how the attorney for Dorian Johnson, Brown’s companion and the only identified eyewitness to the shooting, described what happened:

The officer put his cruiser in reverse, Bosley said, and pulled up so close that when he opened the door, it bumped Johnson and Brown. “Through the window of his cruiser, he grabs Big Mike by the throat,” Bosley said. “Big Mike tries to move away. The officer grabs his shirt.”

Johnson, who was a student at Lincoln University, saw the officer pull out a gun. “He shoots Big Mike somewhere in the chest or arm,” Bosley said. “Dorian sees blood coming from the chest.”

Johnson took off running and hid behind the first car he saw, Bosley said. “Big Mike runs by him. He says to Dorian, ‘Keep running,’ ” Bosley said. “The officer chases Big Mike. He fires a shot and hits Big Mike in the back. Big Mike turns around. [Brown] puts his hands up. The officer shoots him five or six more times.”

Per the autopsy report, the detail about Brown being hit in the back is flat wrong and the detail about him having his hands up seems quite possibly wrong. What do other eyewitnesses say, though? Were there other eyewitnesses? Well, this guy whose profile claims he’s from St. Louis seemed to have live-tweeted the shooting on August 9th. The key bits:

His full tweet-stream that day is here. Note the third one above, though: A friend asks if Darren Wilson fired at Brown’s back and the tweeter says yes, twice. Obviously he missed but you can understand now why Johnson might have thought Brown had been hit from behind. If he was running too, glimpsed Brown running out of the corner of his eye, heard the shots, and then turned only after Brown had already turned and been hit from the front, he might have assumed (wrongly) that Brown was in the process of running when he was first hit. Either way, though, “TheePharoah” is going to end up on the witness stand for the prosecution testifying that Officer Wilson fired at Brown’s back more than once.

The other eyewitness account comes via Conservative Treehouse, which noticed a material snippet of conversation towards the end of the now widely-viewed cellphone video of the crime scene embedded below. (Brown’s body is visible so here’s your content warning.) The relevant part starts at around 6:25. Here’s how Conservative Treehouse transcribes the conversation:

#1 How’d he get from there to there?

#2 Because he ran, the police was still in the truck – cause he was like over the truck

{crosstalk}

#2 But him and the police was both in the truck, then he ran – the police got out and ran after him

{crosstalk}

#2 Then the next thing I know he coming back toward him cus – the police had his gun drawn already on him –

#1. Oh, the police got his gun

#2 The police kept dumpin on him, and I’m thinking the police kept missing – he like – be like – but he kept coming toward him

{crosstalk}

#2 Police fired shots – the next thing I know – the police was missing

I’m having trouble making out some of the beginning and the end of the audio well enough to track the transcript; I actually don’t hear the second boldfaced part and I don’t hear the part where the guy allegedly says Brown and the police was “both in the truck.” That would be new information, if true; what he says about Brown being “over the truck,” i.e. standing next to it when Wilson stopped them, fits with what he know. Either way, though, the middle part is clear. The eyewitness does seem to say “he coming back toward him,” apparently meaning Brown turned after initially running away from Wilson and came back towards him. Whether that means Brown was “bumrushing” him, as an alleged friend of Wilson’s claimed, or was just walking back is unclear. It’s also unclear from this when Wilson fired his first shot. Was it when Brown was running away, with his back to him, or was it when he had already turned and was coming towards Wilson?

Don’t these cops have tasers, by the way? The one fact that’s not in dispute as far as I know is that Brown was unarmed and yet Wilson emptied at least six shots into him, per the autopsy report, and may well have missed hitting him in the back once or twice before that. A squad equipped with a Bearcat and M4s should also have room in its inventory for non-lethal means to bring down even a big man like Brown. As Mark Steyn said, “[W]hether or not the fatal shooting of Mr Brown is a crime, it’s certainly a mistake. When an unarmed shoplifter* in T-shirt and shorts with a five-buck cigar box in one hand has to be shot dead, you’re doing it wrong.”


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Don’t these cops have tasers, by the way? The one fact that’s not in dispute as far as I know is that Brown was unarmed and yet Wilson emptied at least six shots into him, per the autopsy report, and may well have missed hitting him in the back once or twice before that. A squad equipped with a Bearcat and M4s should also have room in its inventory for non-lethal means to bring down even a big man like Brown. As Mark Steyn said, “[W]hether or not the fatal shooting of Mr Brown is a crime, it’s certainly a mistake. When an unarmed shoplifter* in T-shirt and shorts with a five-buck cigar box in one hand has to be shot dead, you’re doing it wrong.”

What kind of nonsense is this? A person being unarmed does not make that person non-lethal. I don’t know yet if the officer acted in legitimate self defense, but legitimate self defense does not require a violent aggressor to be armed. This is the same kind of a$$ backwards thinking that gun grabbers use to legitimize disarming us. You, AP, I get being a bit dense on this. Steyn, however, I am disappointed in.

NotCoach on August 18, 2014 at 12:38 PM

I see a grassy knoll……..

BobMbx on August 18, 2014 at 12:20 PM

Meet me out near Terlingua tomorrow. I’ll bring a shovel.

Oldnuke on August 18, 2014 at 12:38 PM

Don’t these cops have tasers, by the way?

Even if using a taser were an option, some people don’t jump curl up into a ball when tased. And in this case we’re talking about a guy that needed 6 shots of lead to stop.

whatcat on August 18, 2014 at 12:38 PM

Ned Pepper on August 18, 2014 at 12:15 PM

Anyone else remember when ALT got banned for using the same reference as this frontpage Hotair headline?

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/03/29/rep-young-hey-no-disrespect-intended-by-that-ethnic-slur-i-used/

rogerb on August 18, 2014 at 12:29 PM

Anyone else wondering when the moderators are going to flush this recycled troll? I’ve heard tell they have ways of weeding out previously banned idiots.

CurtZHP on August 18, 2014 at 12:38 PM

It saddens me to think rounds might have missed their mark and been wasted.

M240H on August 18, 2014 at 12:38 PM

Thank you Racist KKKops of Ferguson, Missouri.
Ned Pepper on August 18, 2014 at 12:33 PM

You a member of Jeremiah Wright’s church?

changer1701 on August 18, 2014 at 12:39 PM

Gotta “mike and record” cops, easy technology to implement.

right2bright on August 18, 2014 at 12:24 PM

What they are doing is linking real time video to the LEO’s iPad or Smart Phone and the LEO has the option to see around corners while only exposing the “easily removable” camera.

HonestLib on August 18, 2014 at 12:39 PM

Thank you Racist KKKops of Ferguson, Missouri.

Ned Pepper on August 18, 2014 at 12:33 PM

Ned are you going to STL or not.

You too big of a coward to even reply?

HumpBot Salvation on August 18, 2014 at 12:37 PM

Hahaha, yeah Ned, I live 2 miles from all of this, I can recommend a great hotel if you do.

MobileVideoEngineer on August 18, 2014 at 12:39 PM

Dorian Johnson’s “eyewitness account” has been completely debunked – it is obvious that he wasn’t mistaken, but rather, that he lied. He should be arrested immediately for his part in this crime spree.

Pork-Chop on August 18, 2014 at 12:14 PM

If we went by what the criminal said about his crime, the prisons would be empty.

LashRambo on August 18, 2014 at 12:39 PM

The angry mob believes the man who’s an accessory to a robbery just 10 minutes beforehand. As another poster wrote, once the narrative is set in some peoples’ minds, it cannot get unset. Because their minds don’t work very well.

LashRambo on August 18, 2014 at 12:35 PM

the people who want this to be a racial murder as opposed to either a justified use of force or very bad decision by a cop are not going to care what the facts are. the Ned Peppers of the world never care about facts or truth.

If the facts come out and show that the cop had no basis for the use of force, then so be it. Deal with that appropriately. I am all for justice, etc.

but, the left will never do the opposite and admit they are wrong if the facts disprove the “racial execution” narrative.

Which really, says all that needs saying about the left.

facts and truth have no place in a leftist’s world.

Monkeytoe on August 18, 2014 at 12:39 PM

The expertise of “journalists” in so many wide ranging fields is astounding….you know rubber bullets and earplugs, for example.

d1carter on August 18, 2014 at 12:39 PM

The pastor who spoke out n this tragedy laid it out point blank:

We would never be here, be at this point, if Brown (and so many more) would have been taught and had exercised ‘Respect’. This ‘tough guy’ / ‘thug’ mentality and attitude that you do not have to and will not respect the police….or anyone…is at the core of this tragedy. If he had treated the police with respect…if he would have moved to the sidewalk right away when asked…we would NEVER be here and this would not be going on. Everything you need to know to prevent tragedies like this, to de-escalate the situation…and even end racism/fear of racism, and hatred…is in the BIBLE.

Respect.
Love for One another.
Humility.

Oh, we all know it by heart. We sing it out in church at the top of our lungs. We spread the word about it…then you walk down the street and see someone of another color & the ego comes out, the suspicion comes out, the ‘bad@$$’ attitude comes out, and thoughts of tolerance, respect, and love fly out the window. You WANT respect? You gotta give it. Martin Luther King knew the best way to change people’s minds was not to respond in kind to hatred and violence. It is easier and much less violent to change someone’s mind through peace, respect, and love rather than trying to BEAT that change and respect for you into them. They expect you to be a ‘thug’? Respond with courtesy – ‘yes sir’/’no sir’, please/thank you – respond with humility – realize ‘you ain’t all that’ & kindness catchess more than hostility. Violence begats violence. Want things to stay the same? Keep acting like a thug, keep pushing cops and disrespecting authority, keep vandalizing/destroying/stealing from stores owned by INNOCENT people all in the name of ‘justice’…what B$! You act like animals and then wonder why you are treated with hostility…Get a clue. ‘Decide to rise above’! Evolve!

easyt65 on August 18, 2014 at 12:40 PM

once the narrative is set in some peoples’ minds, it cannot get unset. Because their minds don’t work very well.

LashRambo on August 18, 2014 at 12:35 PM

More like a chalkboard with the day’s specials on it.

BobMbx on August 18, 2014 at 12:40 PM

When an unarmed shoplifter* in T-shirt and shorts with a five-buck cigar box in one hand has to be shot dead, you’re doing it wrong.”

I love Stein, but that’s bullshit.

Grabbing an old man by the neck and knocking people around while stealing something isn’t “shoplifting”. “Shoplifting” is putting something in your pocket or under your shirt and quietly leaving hoping no one will notice.

And as I said elsewhere, if you have to intentionally misrepresent what occurred (again, shoplifting my a##) because you’re point apparently can’t be made with the simple truth, then *you* are apparently ‘doing it wrong’.

Midas on August 18, 2014 at 12:40 PM

Feds intervene. Good news!! Feds taking over finally!!!
 
Ned Pepper on August 14, 2014 at 11:09 AM

 

JUST IN: Amnesty International just announced they’ve sent human rights team to #Ferguson; first time they’ve done that in the US.
12:00 AM – 18 Aug 2014

 
Thank you Racist KKKops of Ferguson, Missouri.
 
Ned Pepper on August 18, 2014 at 12:31 PM

 

Matt Novak @paleofuture · 13h
Our national disgrace. RT @JebBoone: More and more foreign news outlets sending their war correspondents to cover #Ferguson

 
Thank you Racist KKKops of Ferguson, Missouri.
 
Ned Pepper on August 18, 2014 at 12:33 PM

 
***After*** your feds took over.
 
Thank you President Obama!
 
Hilarious.

rogerb on August 18, 2014 at 12:40 PM

Thank you Racist KKKops of Ferguson, Missouri.
Ned Pepper on August 18, 2014 at 12:33 PM

Hey, it takes a villiage to put down a rabid, feral dog.

tommyboy on August 18, 2014 at 12:35 PM

Eat it, NP.

Eat your Cheeto’s and Frito’s and mac and cheese in mommy’s basement. We love ya but I gotta say you are soooo off base on this issue.

Why not be objective? Why not gather facts and then opine?

/Ewe. Into the mind of a liberal is a scary place to be.

Key West Reader on August 18, 2014 at 12:40 PM

I see this whole incident as a culmination of 60 years of the race pimps using every white on black incident as proof of a bigger racial divide. The problem is they promote a collective group think of victimization, whereas our Constitution, economic system, and legal system are designed for individuals.

Tater Salad on August 18, 2014 at 12:40 PM

So, if your a “breed” like me you do a bad thing that you know is felony ,,,what the is up out in the middle of the street attracting attention to yourself. Reason says take the alley or stay on the side walk. But if your hopped up like many who need a courage boost to commit the felony.

Just stands to reason.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on August 18, 2014 at 12:41 PM

Hahaha, yeah Ned, I live 2 miles from all of this, I can recommend a great hotel if you do.

MobileVideoEngineer on August 18, 2014 at 12:39 PM

I offered to pay Ned’s airfare so he could house sit for the cop.

Strangely, Ned won’t reply.

HumpBot Salvation on August 18, 2014 at 12:41 PM

AP, I think I asked this question before, but the issuance of LLF weapons like Tasers, etc.

Thing is like a lot of items, Tasers don’t always guarantee a first shot stop response.

Take into account it’s size, and that it’s built to a particular tolerance…you can raise the Amperage of the device to be 100% lethal, but it defeats the purpose, so its dialed back.

Plus, looking at the size, physical makeup of Brown, 2 shots from a Taser may have been needed, if this was a model that needed to be reloaded, there may have NOT been enough time…even if its a device where the barbs stay in place and you can dump several “shots” of juice into him, it may have worked to stop him…OR killed him also.

We may never know for sure, even after a tox screen.

Lethal force would have been completely unjustified if Brown WAS shot in the back or if he was prone in a submissive posture…reports are stating now he WASN’T…

We know that a physical altercation was ALREADY underway, when Brown broke contact…but reversed and came *back*.

Put another way: if as a armed citizen the subject broke contact, and killed him, that citizen would be charged with Homicide, because the threat went away.

Once the threat came back
…well that’s on Brown. The officer may have already faced a Life threatening situation once, he used his best judgement (also remember he was alone) to try to end the htreat.

Be it 1 shot, or the whole magazine…it’s starting to sound (slowly) like a “Sad, but NOT bad” shoot.

BlaxPac on August 18, 2014 at 12:41 PM

What would I trust more, a Taser with a battery that slowly dies with non-use or a loaded gunpowder round? I’ve shot 30-06 ammo leftover from the Korean War, would I shoot a battery-operated Taser that had been sitting on the shelf for 60 years? Would you?

Besides, watch the Taser vids, those things aren’t exactly a boattail exiting from a rifled barrel, they’re small darts attached to wires.

Bishop on August 18, 2014 at 12:41 PM

How do you know that the officer knew Brown was “unarmed?” There is NO EVIDENCE proving that the officer KNEW BROWN WAS UNARMED. The officer stopped them, told them to get out of the street, then got the radio dispatch identifying Brown as a suspect in a previous robbery so the officer returns to Brown and Johnson on the street, at which point, Brown “bumrushes” the officer INTO THE CAR, ASSAULTS THE OFFICER, then RUNS. When the officer yells freeze, Brown turns around and “bumrushes” him–at which point the officer shoots.

It’s a prima facie case of “reasonable force” in “self-defense.” Under the law, the officer had every right to shoot.

mountainaires on August 18, 2014 at 12:22 PM

Actually, it sounds like the annoncement of the robbery came over the police radio right about when Brown and Wilson interacted.

If they used the phrase strong-arm robbery on the police radio, it could have led Wilson to believe Brown was armed. I wonder if this might have aggravated the situation.

talkingpoints on August 18, 2014 at 12:41 PM

I see a grassy knoll……..

BobMbx on August 18, 2014 at 12:20 PM

Meet me out near Terlingua tomorrow. I’ll bring a shovel.

Oldnuke on August 18, 2014 at 12:38 PM

Terlingua? Shovel?

Now that right there is one chili-lovin’ hombre.

M240H on August 18, 2014 at 12:42 PM

Wilson claims that when he backed up to approach Brown and Johnson, and tried to open his door, they slammed his door shut. When he tried again to climb out of the car, Brown bum-rushes him and shoves him back into his car. Punches him in the face and the[n] Johnson (the star eye-witness) grabs for the gun. Then Brown grabbed for the gun. At some point the gun goes off in the truck.

mbs on August 18, 2014 at 12:21 PM

Where did you get this info? I’ve not read this anywhere. Unless you have something to back this up, stop posting it. This story is muddy enough.

UnstChem on August 18, 2014 at 12:42 PM

When an unarmed shoplifter

This was a vicious strong-arm robber, not some teen girl who just made a poor ethical choice at the mall. Also, the officer didn’t know if he was armed or not. So, Mark’s wrong on at least two counts.

whatcat on August 18, 2014 at 12:43 PM

I wonder how long before we hear citizen Brown was high of drugs at the time of his death.

lel2007 on August 18, 2014 at 12:33 PM

Or see the photos of the cop’s bruised and bloody face, courtesy of “gentle” Mike.

AZCoyote on August 18, 2014 at 12:43 PM

I just don’t understand the stampede on the right to crucify this cop. It’s obvious by now we’re looking at Duke Lacrosse/Trayvon Martin all over again. Maybe writers and bloggers feel pressure to burnish their “moderate” credentials after the Martin incident.

Doomberg on August 18, 2014 at 12:43 PM

Ned are you going to STL or not.

You too big of a coward to even reply?

HumpBot Salvation on August 18, 2014 at 12:37 PM

Oh, yes. He is.

He hasn’t answered my relatively innoculous question of, given his glee at federal involvement in this case, would he still love federal involvement if a Republican wins in 2016? I’ve only asked him 5 times.

Bitter Clinger on August 18, 2014 at 12:43 PM

HuffPo Reporter Mistakes Earplugs For Rubber Bullets

Oh yes, from Drudge…can you believe that.

The two responses with the battery and game balls are hilarious.

This is what it’s come down too…anything, anything at all…good grief.

right2bright on August 18, 2014 at 12:43 PM

AP, I think I asked this question before, but the issuance of LLF weapons like Tasers, etc.

Thing is like a lot of items, Tasers don’t always guarantee a first shot stop response.

Take into account it’s size, and that it’s built to a particular tolerance…you can raise the Amperage of the device to be 100% lethal, but it defeats the purpose, so its dialed back.

Plus, looking at the size, physical makeup of Brown, 2 shots from a Taser may have been needed, if this was a model that needed to be reloaded, there may have NOT been enough time…even if its a device where the barbs stay in place and you can dump several “shots” of juice into him, it may have worked to stop him…OR killed him also.

We may never know for sure, even after a tox screen.

Lethal force would have been completely unjustified if Brown WAS shot in the back or if he was prone in a submissive posture…reports are stating now he WASN’T…

We know that a physical altercation was ALREADY underway, when Brown broke contact…but reversed and came *back*.

Put another way: if as a armed citizen the subject broke contact, and killed him, that citizen would be charged with Homicide, because the threat went away.

Once the threat came back…well that’s on Brown. The officer may have already faced a Life threatening situation once, he used his best judgement (also remember he was alone) to try to end the htreat.

Be it 1 shot, or the whole magazine…it’s starting to sound (slowly) like a “Sad, but NOT bad” shoot.

BlaxPac on August 18, 2014 at 12:41 PM

If it took 6 gunshots that hit to bring Brown down, why do people like Mark Steyn and AP think a taser would have stopped him before he could hurt the police officer?

talkingpoints on August 18, 2014 at 12:44 PM

A 6’3″ person, grabbed by the throat by someone sitting in a standard police cruiser?

Kind of hard to believe.

Aizen on August 18, 2014 at 12:20 PM

I believe it was an SUV. I’ve also seen it described as a truck. I suppose if Mike the Gentle Giant was leaning over, it could’ve happened that way. Or reaching into the window, punching the officer, trying to grab his gun, etc.

At any rate, Dr. Baden said there were no signs of a struggle on Big Mike.

Syzygy on August 18, 2014 at 12:44 PM

Oh, yes. He is.

He hasn’t answered my relatively innoculous question of, given his glee at federal involvement in this case, would he still love federal involvement if a Republican wins in 2016? I’ve only asked him 5 times.

Bitter Clinger on August 18, 2014 at 12:43 PM

Yeah, I’m still waiting to hear from AquaQueen MumbleForce if Capt Ron Johnson is a pig?

HumpBot Salvation on August 18, 2014 at 12:45 PM

Does anyone know what kind of weapon Ferguson police carry? I’m interested in comparing the number of shots fired with the capacity of Wilson’s magazine. There used to be discussion of hearing 6 or 7 shots fired. The autopsy suggests Brown was hit 6 or 7 times.

Now we’ve got a couple of shots fired when he was running away which apparently missed Brown. At some point the numbers should add up to what Wilson was carrying.

There’s also been no mention of Wilson reloading, so I think that should be a limitation on how many times he could have fired.

Dusty on August 18, 2014 at 12:45 PM

It saddens me to think rounds might have missed their mark and been wasted.

M240H on August 18, 2014 at 12:38 PM

Thankfully, for Wilson none of those rounds hit any innocent bystanders to the whole incident.

He may be “okay” with the Brown shooting (barring the standard after action trauma anyone goes through), but having one of his bullets take out a civilian because he felt he had no choice BUT to shoot…I have friends that have pulled in the Line of Duty and that scares them more than even get shot themselves…

BlaxPac on August 18, 2014 at 12:47 PM

6 yr veteran of force gets no benefit of the doubt, but yet a thug on video strong-arming store clerk does? Ok, thanks.

Now, so I can finish the video, can someone get me an Eboncis translator? Thank ya..

hillsoftx on August 18, 2014 at 12:47 PM

What would I trust more, a Taser with a battery that slowly dies with non-use or a loaded gunpowder round? I’ve shot 30-06 ammo leftover from the Korean War, would I shoot a battery-operated Taser that had been sitting on the shelf for 60 years? Would you?

Besides, watch the Taser vids, those things aren’t exactly a boattail exiting from a rifled barrel, they’re small darts attached to wires.

Bishop on August 18, 2014 at 12:41 PM

I think a taser fired from a Glock would work…about the only taser I would trust my life too.

Tasers are great, as long as your partner has his weapon drawn…

right2bright on August 18, 2014 at 12:47 PM

This is a thread that needs the firearms and self-defense expert nonpee; where for art though, my brutha?

no one outside of police officers and soldiers should have access to ANY guns PERIOD

nonpartisan on December 15, 2013 at 9:56 AM

Bishop on August 18, 2014 at 12:47 PM

A 6’3″ person, grabbed by the throat by someone sitting in a standard police cruiser?

Kind of hard to believe.

Aizen on August 18, 2014 at 12:20 PM

I think he was 6’9″

sentinelrules on August 18, 2014 at 12:47 PM

Either way, though, “ThreePhraroah” is going to end up on the witness stand for the prosecution testifying that Officer Wilson fired at Brown’s back more than once.

Since it could just be another 6th hand retelling of what somebody might have heard from someone else, for which Twitter is notorious, I doubt he’ll be testifying. It’s Twittertown.

whatcat on August 18, 2014 at 12:48 PM

Trained cop shoots and kills unarmed kid. The cop should be charged with murder. He escalated the problem into a murder. He could have let Brown go and arrested him later, instead he shot him dead.

For those of you who think th ecop was justified; welcome to the murderous police state you have helped to create:

http://libertyfirewall.com/2013/10/08/new-hampshire-police-cant-explain-why-they-killed-a-woman/

earlgrey on August 18, 2014 at 12:48 PM

REMINDER: In America, you’re still innocent until proven guilty — unless you happen to be a dead black young man.

Ned Pepper on August 18, 2014 at 12:19 PM

And if you’re a WHITE cop, GUILTY! No need for a trial. Hang him!

Right? FOOL!

GarandFan on August 18, 2014 at 12:48 PM

Don’t these cops have tasers, by the way? The one fact that’s not in dispute as far as I know is that Brown was unarmed and yet Wilson emptied at least six shots into him, per the autopsy report, and may well have missed hitting him in the back once or twice before that.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/TASERS-INEFFECTIVE-IN-4-OFFICER-INVOLVED-SHOOTINGS-269299881.html

http://www.newsknoxcounty.com/princeton-man-custody-drugs-taser-proved-ineffective/

Vera71 on August 18, 2014 at 12:48 PM

I, too am a bit distressed with Mr Steyn. We were told in our conceal carry class that you need to feel your life and safety are at risk before you fire.

crosshugger on August 18, 2014 at 12:48 PM

I wonder how long before we hear citizen Brown was high of drugs at the time of his death.

lel2007 on August 18, 2014 at 12:33 PM

Or see the photos of the cop’s bruised and bloody face, courtesy of “gentle” Mike.

AZCoyote on August 18, 2014 at 12:43 PM

The preliminary results of the Saint Louis County Medical Examiner have come out and so far they align with the Baden autopsy and they found marijuana so far anyway…

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/08/18/county-investigation-michael-brown-was-shot-from-the-front-had-marijuana-in-his-system/

MobileVideoEngineer on August 18, 2014 at 12:49 PM

Thank you Racist KKKops of Ferguson, Missouri.

Ned Pepper on August 18, 2014 at 12:31 PM

Haters Gotta Hate. That’s you all over.

F-

Del Dolemonte on August 18, 2014 at 12:49 PM

Bishop on August 18, 2014 at 12:47 PM

no one outside of police officers and soldiers should have access to ANY guns PERIOD

nonpartisan on December 15, 2013 at 9:56 AM

Exactly and that is what the police officer was doing, making sure Brown didn’t have access to any gun…PERIOD!

right2bright on August 18, 2014 at 12:49 PM

Yeah, I’m still waiting to hear from AquaQueen MumbleForce if Capt Ron Johnson is a pig?

HumpBot Salvation on August 18, 2014 at 12:45 PM

I’m surprised by that. He gave indications that he sees all law enforcement as pigs.

Bitter Clinger on August 18, 2014 at 12:49 PM

I really think that everyone’s missing the biggest question of all.

If Wilson really was a racist bastard, and this really was a racially motivated murder, why did Wilson wait until Brown was either on the ground or running away to to blow him away?

Why didn’t he just cap Brown’s and Johnson’s azzes instead of telling them to get on the sidewalk?

UnstChem on August 18, 2014 at 12:50 PM

Ned Pepper is a dishonest agitator.

John the Libertarian on August 18, 2014 at 12:50 PM

I, too am a bit distressed with Mr Steyn. We were told in our conceal carry class that you need to feel your life and safety are at risk before you fire.

crosshugger on August 18, 2014 at 12:48 PM

Pal, a 6′+ 200lb+ street thug coming at you…your life is in danger.

right2bright on August 18, 2014 at 12:50 PM

I don’t comment here much, but seriously. How the hell is this Ned person not banned, especially with crap like his 12:19 p.m. comment?

It’s reached the point where it doesn’t contribute anything, and the guy is so far past offensive it’s ridiculous. It’s naked race-baiting at this point.

PetecminMd on August 18, 2014 at 12:51 PM

Now, so I can finish the video, can someone get me an Eboncis translator? Thank ya..

hillsoftx on August 18, 2014 at 12:47 PM

Yeah, same here.

Bitter Clinger on August 18, 2014 at 12:51 PM

The preliminary results of the Saint Louis County Medical Examiner have come out and so far they align with the Baden autopsy and they found marijuana so far anyway…

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/08/18/county-investigation-michael-brown-was-shot-from-the-front-had-marijuana-in-his-system/

MobileVideoEngineer on August 18, 2014 at 12:49 PM

Ooopsie …

UnstChem on August 18, 2014 at 12:51 PM

If it took 6 gunshots that hit to bring Brown down, why do people like Mark Steyn and AP think a taser would have stopped him before he could hurt the police officer?
talkingpoints on August 18, 2014 at 12:44 PM

That’s what i sez:
Even if using a taser were an option, some people don’t jump curl up into a ball when tased. And in this case we’re talking about a guy that needed 6 shots of lead to stop.

whatcat on August 18, 2014 at 12:52 PM

Ned Pepper is a dishonest agitator.

John the Libertarian on August 18, 2014 at 12:50 PM

Too generous. He is a filthy leftist lying coward.

Bmore on August 18, 2014 at 12:53 PM

Trained cop shoots and kills unarmed kid. The cop should be charged with murder. He escalated the problem into a murder. He could have let Brown go and arrested him later, instead he shot him dead.

earlgrey on August 18, 2014 at 12:48 PM

Gee Mr Expert, and how would he ‘arrest him later’ if he didn’t know his name? And what about “later” Mr. Expert. What if Brown had put up a fight then. Let him go again?

Go sit in the corner.

GarandFan on August 18, 2014 at 12:53 PM

One of the first stories that I read on the incident quoted a resident who indicated that their home was struck by gunfire that night and that they lived in the opposite direction that the police officer was firing. They said that the police dug the bullet out of their wall.

Was Johnson firing at Officer Wilson?

Kerplophel on August 18, 2014 at 12:53 PM

I’m so glad Mark Steyn and Allahpundit know when police are doing it wrong.

I can’t wait until they put the uniform on and show us how to do it right.

Baggi on August 18, 2014 at 12:53 PM

Barnaby Jones could always quick-draw his .38 Detective Special snubby from under his sportcoat, aim from the waist, and wing the perp on his wrist causing him to drop his gun. On top of that the bad guy is only slightly wounded and feels no shock whatsoever from the bullet hit, only a slight stain of blood and a muttered “Dang it! Owww!”

Why couldn’t Officer Wilson do that?

Bishop on August 18, 2014 at 12:54 PM

talkingpoints on August 18, 2014 at 12:44 PM

That is a very good question.

Brown is a thug, he attacked the officer and pounded on him, ran away then turned around and tried to bull rush him.

Was he on drugs? Is charging an armed policeman the act of a sane mind?

No.

Wilson acted in self defense.

dogsoldier on August 18, 2014 at 12:54 PM

Tuned in to CNN just now.They called the cop a perpetrator.

docflash on August 18, 2014 at 12:54 PM

Besides, watch the Taser vids, those things aren’t exactly a boattail exiting from a rifled barrel, they’re small darts attached to wires.

Bishop on August 18, 2014 at 12:41 PM

Tasers are much more effective when a 2nd LEO is on scene. One on one with a threat, you usually only have one chance of self defense. Best, make that one chance work as, most likely; there will be no mulligans.

HonestLib on August 18, 2014 at 12:54 PM

He should have pulled out his trusty eight shot taser….?

d1carter on August 18, 2014 at 12:55 PM

At any rate, Dr. Baden said there were no signs of a struggle on Big Mike.

Syzygy on August 18, 2014 at 12:44 PM

Same can’t be said for the cop, who reportedly was treated at a hospital after the shooting, for the injuries to his face from “gentle,” unarmed Mike.

AZCoyote on August 18, 2014 at 12:55 PM

Steyn jumps to an unsupported conclusion and Allahpundit goes along gleefully. If Steyn’s statement is not the sum total of everything that happened, and his conclusion is, therefore, premature at best or simply and pointlessly biased. Given that one eyewitness has been thoroughly discredited (Johnson), we are left only with the officer’s account. (NOTE: other witnesses were not deposed, therefore their “testimony” is little more than hearsay at this point).

There is no reason to speculate on partial information. Wait for all the available evidence to be collected and released…

CharacterOfCongress on August 18, 2014 at 12:55 PM

Ooopsie …

UnstChem on August 18, 2014 at 12:51 PM

Marijuana?

The same kind of marijuana that black guy had when he ate the face off a homeless guy in Florida several years ago?

sentinelrules on August 18, 2014 at 12:56 PM

“Rooster Cogburn is no good friend of mine! He led us straight into your hands, and now he has left me with a gang of cut-throats! Is that what they call “grit” in Fort Smith? We call it something else in Yell County.”

Galtian on August 18, 2014 at 12:57 PM

Tasers are much more effective when a 2nd LEO is on scene. One on one with a threat, you usually only have one chance of self defense. Best, make that one chance work as, most likely; there will be no mulligans.

HonestLib on August 18, 2014 at 12:54 PM

And if you’re protecting your face/head from punches or whatever your hands are already kinda busy.

whatcat on August 18, 2014 at 12:58 PM

My question to Allahpundit regarding taking down a gigantic goon like Brown with a taser is:

Do you have the sense God gave a turkey?

Cops use tasers on perps who are non-compliant. They use guns on perps engaged in potentially deadly assaults on officers.

Remember that one shot had already gone off inside the vehicle.

Officer Joseph Walker (black) was just acquitted for the shooting death of Joseph Harvey (white), a drunken ragemonkey bum rushing Walker by the side of the road in MD.

And Walker was off duty and out of his jurisdiction at the time and not trying to effect an arrest.

bildung on August 18, 2014 at 12:58 PM

Brown assaulted the cop after slamming the door once jumped in the vehicle, hit the cop in the face and tried to wrestle his gun away when it went off in the car. Brown’s prints should be on and in the vehicle and on the cops gun.
That’s why the cop him down when Brown rushed him. Self defense. Shoot til he stops.

At any rate, Dr. Baden said there were no signs of a struggle on Big Mike.

Syzygy on August 18, 2014 at 12:44 PM

P.S. Baden needs to go back and look at Brown’s fists…right and left. He’s blsck so he may not see the bruising but I bet it’s there and maybe even a hairline fracture or 2 to boot that you can see on x-ray.

gracie on August 18, 2014 at 12:59 PM

Tuned in to CNN just now.They called the cop a perpetrator.

docflash on August 18, 2014 at 12:54 PM

You mean they’re not covering the latest on that missing jet?

Bitter Clinger on August 18, 2014 at 1:00 PM

“[W]hether or not the fatal shooting of Mr Brown is a crime, it’s certainly a mistake. When an unarmed shoplifter* in T-shirt and shorts with a five-buck cigar box in one hand has to be shot dead, you’re doing it wrong.”

Bullshit. If a 6’4″ robbery suspect assaults an armed police officer, the officer must assume he is in a life and death struggle with a desperate man. If he loses control of his weapon, he may well die, and so may others once the suspect is armed. Those facts would absolutely justify shooting at a fleeing felon of proven dangerousness.

As for the autopsy evidence, having seen too many of these, what I see is a shot string, slightly off to the left of center mass and rising with recoil on successive shots at an oncoming target, with the last two taken as the officer more effectively controls the recoil and the suspect is falling forward.

We need to see the rest of the crime scene evidence and the original autopsy before we can draw any real conclusions. But what we have so far is totally consistent with shots fired at an oncoming threat, and nothing that is consistent with a suspect running away, hands raised. If Brown did that, he wasn’t struck with a bullet while he was doing that. If one of the shots struck Brown at point blank range at the very beginning of the incident there will be powder burns and residue at the entry point.

novaculus on August 18, 2014 at 1:00 PM

I have friends that have pulled in the Line of Duty and that scares them more than even get shot themselves…

BlaxPac on August 18, 2014 at 12:47 PM

Thats what the “No Hesitation” targets are for.

BobMbx on August 18, 2014 at 1:00 PM

Why couldn’t Officer Wilson do that?

Bishop on August 18, 2014 at 12:54 PM

5 shot none-the-less. Used to carry a humpback and have seen a .38 slug not penetrate a front windshield.

HonestLib on August 18, 2014 at 1:00 PM

Tasers…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DdvkLhdAJE

vondamage on August 18, 2014 at 1:00 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DdvkLhdAJE

vondamage on August 18, 2014 at 1:01 PM

The lsm has lost all credibility with their bias…..its just bloody amazing

cmsinaz on August 18, 2014 at 1:01 PM

Don’t these cops have tasers, by the way? The one fact that’s not in dispute as far as I know is that Brown was unarmed and yet Wilson emptied at least six shots into him, per the autopsy report, and may well have missed hitting him in the back once or twice before that.

Wow! Police Departments have cops that make mistakes. Who knew?

More to the point, instead of caving into the propaganda, maybe there should be a pause and wait for the full investigation to be completed. Just saying.

And for those still hostile to the idea of cops having protective gear adequate to the task I have one simple question. Why do you want to see cops die?

Happy Nomad on August 18, 2014 at 1:02 PM

We haven’t heard the officer’s version, or anything that verifies:

1. Whether Brown assaulted Wilson. We know Wilson was treated for head wounds, the gun fired in the car, and a witness saw a tug of war through the window.

2. How many shots were fired total.

3. How far away Brown was when Wilson opened fire and what direction he was turned.

4. Whether Brown “bumrushed” Wilson.

5. Whether Brown’s hands were up. If he ran when he heard gunshots in the car, it does not make sense he would turn around and run at a policeman pointing a gun at him.

There are still a lot of unanswered questions.

ezspirit on August 18, 2014 at 1:02 PM

It saddens me to think rounds might have missed their mark and been wasted.

M240H on August 18, 2014 at 12:38 PM

You’re speaking of your comments..yes?

verbaluce on August 18, 2014 at 1:02 PM

Meet me out near Terlingua tomorrow. I’ll bring a shovel.

Oldnuke on August 18, 2014 at 12:38 PM

Lets do it early. They already smell.

BobMbx on August 18, 2014 at 1:02 PM

I’m so glad Mark Steyn and Allahpundit know when police are doing it wrong.

I can’t wait until they put the uniform on and show us how to do it right.

Baggi on August 18, 2014 at 12:53 PM

I don’t hate cops – most of them are just trying to go through life the same as me. However, I am wary of them. I’ve had a few run-ins that didn’t involve a traffic stop or criminal actions and have always respectfully asserted my rights before answering any questions and everything has turned out fine. Being non-threatening while asserting my rights, I’m taking a big stab in the dark here, is probably what’s kept them from shooting me.

I’m very disappointed that Mark has taken the stance he has.

UnstChem on August 18, 2014 at 1:02 PM

Hate to say it but at this point facts are useless. No one is going to believe anything presented by the “other” side. Everyone is going to he should’a, he could’a this forever.

The “cops are always looking to beat on the black man” and the “cops should be armed with nothing but a smile and their moral righteousness” aren’t going to believe any “facts” not supporting the opinion that the cop murdered that boy.

The other side – “lawless thugs only interested in looting” and “big man probably on drugs with no respect for police” will expect the PC politicians to throw the cop to the lions and be blamed for it all.

katiejane on August 18, 2014 at 1:03 PM

REMINDER: In America, you’re still innocent until proven guilty — unless you happen to be a dead black young man.

Ned Pepper on August 18, 2014 at 12:19 PM

And if you’re a WHITE cop, GUILTY! No need for a trial. Hang him!

Right? FOOL!

GarandFan on August 18, 2014 at 12:48 PM

If I may psychologize briefly.

Ned is projecting his narrow-minded, simple-minded understanding onto others. Rather than making an effort to see things through the eyes of others, and understand how others REALLY think, he’s unable to do that; all he can do is imagine the minds of others are like his mind.

It’s called “projection” because, in this case, Ned is taking stuff that’s really inside of him and putting it on others. Projecting it; projecting his bad stuff onto others. He believes “I’m not the bigot, the black and white thinker, the one who jumps to conclusions, no, that’s YOU!”.

What I’m saying is hard to believe, but it’s true. Ned makes accusations that others are bigots, and discriminate based on skin color, because that’s what HE does. So he’s not interacting with anyone here. It’s all one-way. He’s projecting his crap onto us. We’re just props to him. We’re not even human.

LashRambo on August 18, 2014 at 1:03 PM

Unst chem

Folks will think it was injected afterwards……they wont believe it just like the autopsy report

They will never be satisfied

cmsinaz on August 18, 2014 at 1:04 PM

The cop should be charged with murder. He escalated the problem into a murder.

earlgrey on August 18, 2014 at 12:48 PM

There is absolutely no evidence that a murder occurred.

Pork-Chop on August 18, 2014 at 1:04 PM

As much as I respect Mark Steyn, he is flat out wrong. I know cops and former cops and have been told stories very similar to this one, of suspects being ordered to stop, of them attacking the police and still coming after being shot numerous times. A retired cop I know told me a story almost identical to this years ago where the suspect actually got ahold of the cop after being shot 6 or 7 times and it wasn’t until multiple officers had him pinned down that the adrenaline wore off and the effect of the bullets hit him. Michael Brown was seriously wrong and his behavior resulted in his death. That’s reality.

peacenprosperity on August 18, 2014 at 1:04 PM

Now, so I can finish the video, can someone get me an Eboncis translator? Thank ya..

hillsoftx on August 18, 2014 at 12:47 PM

Yeah, same here.

Bitter Clinger on August 18, 2014 at 12:51 PM

The situation and the reactions to it have been despair-inducing enough.

To read the tweets and comments, and listen to the video as people talk about it… holy f*ck. I just *thought* we were doomed before.

Midas on August 18, 2014 at 1:04 PM

Don’t these cops have tasers, by the way?

Now tasers in the emergency room seem to work on out of control drunks and tweakers.

HonestLib on August 18, 2014 at 1:05 PM

Spot on katiejane

cmsinaz on August 18, 2014 at 1:05 PM

Why does it seem like ed, noah and allah want to throw this cop to the mob to appease them?

peacenprosperity on August 18, 2014 at 1:05 PM

Tasers are much more effective when a 2nd LEO is on scene. One on one with a threat, you usually only have one chance of self defense. Best, make that one chance work as, most likely; there will be no mulligans.

HonestLib on August 18, 2014 at 12:54 PM

Didn’t backup arrive within minutes?

ezspirit on August 18, 2014 at 1:06 PM

We haven’t heard the officer’s version

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There are still a lot of unanswered questions.

ezspirit on August 18, 2014 at 1:02 PM

I suspect it will be an order of magnitude more enlightening than even the convenience store video, which itself was, to me, a game-changer. And yet, if the DOJ had its way, we STILL wouldn’t be aware of it, just as now we’re unaware of the cop’s version of what happened.

LashRambo on August 18, 2014 at 1:07 PM

There is absolutely no evidence that a murder occurred.

Pork-Chop on August 18, 2014 at 1:04 PM

And so far, there is no evidence that the bullets that killed Brown came from Wilson’s gun.

Maybe Brown was gunned down by a rival cigar gang (on the grassy knoll right next to badge man) for scooping up the last box of future blunts, and Wilson being there was just happenstance.

BobMbx on August 18, 2014 at 1:08 PM

We haven’t heard the officer’s version, or anything that verifies:

1. Whether Brown assaulted Wilson. We know Wilson was treated for head wounds, the gun fired in the car, and a witness saw a tug of war through the window.

2. How many shots were fired total.

3. How far away Brown was when Wilson opened fire and what direction he was turned.

4. Whether Brown “bumrushed” Wilson.

5. Whether Brown’s hands were up. If he ran when he heard gunshots in the car, it does not make sense he would turn around and run at a policeman pointing a gun at him.

There are still a lot of unanswered questions.

ezspirit on August 18, 2014 at 1:02 PM

Indeed.
For all the excuses being made, somewhat unbelievable that there still isn’t any narrative from the officer’s perspective.
The longer it takes, the more suspect it will be – though we may have long crossed that point.
And there’s a very good chance the officer would like nothing more than to share his story – but lawyers and brass are keeping him silent.

verbaluce on August 18, 2014 at 1:08 PM

What matters is none of the eye witness which seem to favor the cop will ever pick up a call from an attorney of the police unless money is involved.

Expect all witness to be anti-police if this ever goes to trial.

weedisgood on August 18, 2014 at 1:08 PM

Dr. Mary Case’s office (St. Louis County, MO) is saying Brown had marijuana in his system. Get ready for the counter spin.

GreenEnergy on August 18, 2014 at 1:08 PM

Didn’t backup arrive within minutes?

ezspirit on August 18, 2014 at 1:06 PM

Lol.

NotCoach on August 18, 2014 at 1:08 PM

I know this issue from both sides. I had a friend killed on duty, but I also know how black guys get strung up by the system.

The dude was stoned, that’s obvious. No one walks down the middle of a street sober, regardless of color.

He couldn’t out run the cop since he was fat as fk. Once he got winded, his chest started burning from the weight and smoked-out lungs. Panic set in.

Hemp turns off your higher thinking so your react by emotion and impulse. Panic creates flight or fight reactions. He couldn’t run, so he turned to fight. Man down.

That, ladies and gents, is your brain on hemp.

Legalization could possibly correct this scenario since Brown’s not stealing cigarillo’s to hide his joints in, and he’s not afraid of the hemp charge that will wreck his chances of a job. OTOH, legalized hemp also guarantees Brown would never finish tech school and spend the rest of his life in a stoned stupor.

lose-lose.

budfox on August 18, 2014 at 1:09 PM

If the first five shots didn’t take him down, what makes you think a Taser would? Even if the cop had a 21′ Taser, that’s still way too close for comfort when dealing with someone charging you.

Wendya on August 18, 2014 at 1:09 PM

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