Two eyewitness accounts of the Michael Brown shooting

posted at 12:01 pm on August 18, 2014 by Allahpundit

Some of you saw these elsewhere over the weekend but I want to put them together for those who didn’t, especially given the interest in the new autopsy report. Here’s how the attorney for Dorian Johnson, Brown’s companion and the only identified eyewitness to the shooting, described what happened:

The officer put his cruiser in reverse, Bosley said, and pulled up so close that when he opened the door, it bumped Johnson and Brown. “Through the window of his cruiser, he grabs Big Mike by the throat,” Bosley said. “Big Mike tries to move away. The officer grabs his shirt.”

Johnson, who was a student at Lincoln University, saw the officer pull out a gun. “He shoots Big Mike somewhere in the chest or arm,” Bosley said. “Dorian sees blood coming from the chest.”

Johnson took off running and hid behind the first car he saw, Bosley said. “Big Mike runs by him. He says to Dorian, ‘Keep running,’ ” Bosley said. “The officer chases Big Mike. He fires a shot and hits Big Mike in the back. Big Mike turns around. [Brown] puts his hands up. The officer shoots him five or six more times.”

Per the autopsy report, the detail about Brown being hit in the back is flat wrong and the detail about him having his hands up seems quite possibly wrong. What do other eyewitnesses say, though? Were there other eyewitnesses? Well, this guy whose profile claims he’s from St. Louis seemed to have live-tweeted the shooting on August 9th. The key bits:

His full tweet-stream that day is here. Note the third one above, though: A friend asks if Darren Wilson fired at Brown’s back and the tweeter says yes, twice. Obviously he missed but you can understand now why Johnson might have thought Brown had been hit from behind. If he was running too, glimpsed Brown running out of the corner of his eye, heard the shots, and then turned only after Brown had already turned and been hit from the front, he might have assumed (wrongly) that Brown was in the process of running when he was first hit. Either way, though, “TheePharoah” is going to end up on the witness stand for the prosecution testifying that Officer Wilson fired at Brown’s back more than once.

The other eyewitness account comes via Conservative Treehouse, which noticed a material snippet of conversation towards the end of the now widely-viewed cellphone video of the crime scene embedded below. (Brown’s body is visible so here’s your content warning.) The relevant part starts at around 6:25. Here’s how Conservative Treehouse transcribes the conversation:

#1 How’d he get from there to there?

#2 Because he ran, the police was still in the truck – cause he was like over the truck

{crosstalk}

#2 But him and the police was both in the truck, then he ran – the police got out and ran after him

{crosstalk}

#2 Then the next thing I know he coming back toward him cus – the police had his gun drawn already on him –

#1. Oh, the police got his gun

#2 The police kept dumpin on him, and I’m thinking the police kept missing – he like – be like – but he kept coming toward him

{crosstalk}

#2 Police fired shots – the next thing I know – the police was missing

I’m having trouble making out some of the beginning and the end of the audio well enough to track the transcript; I actually don’t hear the second boldfaced part and I don’t hear the part where the guy allegedly says Brown and the police was “both in the truck.” That would be new information, if true; what he says about Brown being “over the truck,” i.e. standing next to it when Wilson stopped them, fits with what he know. Either way, though, the middle part is clear. The eyewitness does seem to say “he coming back toward him,” apparently meaning Brown turned after initially running away from Wilson and came back towards him. Whether that means Brown was “bumrushing” him, as an alleged friend of Wilson’s claimed, or was just walking back is unclear. It’s also unclear from this when Wilson fired his first shot. Was it when Brown was running away, with his back to him, or was it when he had already turned and was coming towards Wilson?

Don’t these cops have tasers, by the way? The one fact that’s not in dispute as far as I know is that Brown was unarmed and yet Wilson emptied at least six shots into him, per the autopsy report, and may well have missed hitting him in the back once or twice before that. A squad equipped with a Bearcat and M4s should also have room in its inventory for non-lethal means to bring down even a big man like Brown. As Mark Steyn said, “[W]hether or not the fatal shooting of Mr Brown is a crime, it’s certainly a mistake. When an unarmed shoplifter* in T-shirt and shorts with a five-buck cigar box in one hand has to be shot dead, you’re doing it wrong.”


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liblikeaslave says that Dr. Baden totally acquitted Brown.

The rest of you are all fascist racists, therefore.

Schadenfreude on August 18, 2014 at 12:02 PM

“We are the ones we’ve been waiting for”

Schadenfreude on August 18, 2014 at 12:03 PM

Change you can believe in, after 50 years of nothing.

Schadenfreude on August 18, 2014 at 12:03 PM

6 shots can be fired in a blink.

rob verdi on August 18, 2014 at 12:04 PM

From the autopsy drawings it would appear that all the shots were aimed center of mass but went left. All except for the last 2 which were more or less centered. He got hit in the eye, pitched forward and received one more shot to the top of his head.

HotAirian on August 18, 2014 at 12:07 PM

Don’t these cops have tasers, by the way?

Lasers are great when you have a stationary target within 15′.

A 6’3″ 290 target barreling down on you or trying to drag you out of your cop car. Not so much.

Why didn’t the cop sing Brown a lullaby or offer him some skittles? Surely, that would would have worked?

HumpBot Salvation on August 18, 2014 at 12:08 PM

I think this is what a court of law is for…when all the tox reports come in and all the crime scene data has been analyzed. What injury did the officer receive and how. This episode took maybe 10 seconds and we have no idea what transpired. It’s all conjecture at this point.
Baden’s incomplete autopsy is just that…incomplete.

d1carter on August 18, 2014 at 12:09 PM

Don’t these cops have tasers, by the way?

Yeah, because when some big guy is coming at me directly and maybe his friends are lurking around / behind me, I want to pull my trusty taser….because, you know. Racism or something.

MistyLane on August 18, 2014 at 12:10 PM

Dr. Michael Baden says all of the gunshot wounds Michael Brown sustained were ‘survivable except the 1 to the top of his head’ – live video
— @BreakingNews

It’s mourning in America.
#Ferguson

Ned Pepper on August 18, 2014 at 12:12 PM

The officer put his cruiser in reverse, Bosley said, and pulled up so close that when he opened the door, it bumped Johnson and Brown.

Why was he driving on the sidewalk?

Yeah, just kidding. I’ve seen plenty of the tough guy block traffic routine.

forest on August 18, 2014 at 12:12 PM

I think this is what a court of law is for…when all the tox reports come in and all the crime scene data has been analyzed. What injury did the officer receive and how. This episode took maybe 10 seconds and we have no idea what transpired. It’s all conjecture at this point.
Baden’s incomplete autopsy is just that…incomplete.

d1carter on August 18, 2014 at 12:09 PM

Yes, but those investigations and trials take so much time. Better that we just go ahead and convict/execute the cop now. Just to make the rioters feel all better.

Bitter Clinger on August 18, 2014 at 12:12 PM

Let’s see, someone on Twitter vs medical examiner results.

Gee, who to believe?

Moesart on August 18, 2014 at 12:12 PM

He had already punched the officer and tried to grab his gun from him. Do you have any idea how tasers work? I believe they don’t just switch on and douchebag was leaving. He stopped and turned towards the officer when Wilson told him to stop and had his weapon pointed at him. Are you arguing that Brown was strolling back to discuss the problem with Wilson? Spare me!

Blake on August 18, 2014 at 12:12 PM

I cannot even begin to image what Martin Luther King would think if he saw the state of black America today. Content of character my a$$

MistyLane on August 18, 2014 at 12:12 PM

Ferguson is saved.

Schadenfreude on August 18, 2014 at 12:13 PM

As Mark Steyn said, “[W]hether or not the fatal shooting of Mr Brown is a crime, it’s certainly a mistake.

No, shooting a guy who engaged in strong arm robbery and assaulted a police officer isn’t a mistake — it’s a public service.

Stoic Patriot on August 18, 2014 at 12:13 PM

1) The issue of whether shots were fired that missed Brown should be cleared up by reconciling the total shots fired from the gun less the number of shots hitting Brown + one that discharged in the car.

2) The shot in the car is an important point. If it went into the floor or the seat, it would tend to support the officer’s claim that Brown went for – and almost got – his gun.

3) We haven’t yet seen any detailed version of the officer’s account, have we?

krkwakmgk on August 18, 2014 at 12:13 PM

“[W]hether or not the fatal shooting of Mr Brown is a crime, it’s certainly a mistake. When an unarmed shoplifter* in T-shirt and shorts with a five-buck cigar box in one hand has to be shot dead, you’re doing it wrong.”

So many mistakes in this line of reasoning I don’t know where to begin.
However the first problem is that is made from someone behind a nice safe keyboard. Not quite the same as having a 6’4″ behemoth,in shorts and tee shirt no less, charging at you. I always thought Steyn was smarter than his quote but I guess not. He should be ashamed.

rik on August 18, 2014 at 12:14 PM

Dorian Johnson’s “eyewitness account” has been completely debunked – it is obvious that he wasn’t mistaken, but rather, that he lied. He should be arrested immediately for his part in this crime spree.

Pork-Chop on August 18, 2014 at 12:14 PM

Dr. Michael Baden says all of the gunshot wounds Michael Brown sustained were ‘survivable except the 1 to the top of his head’ – live video
— @BreakingNews

It’s mourning in America.
#Ferguson

Ned Pepper on August 18, 2014 at 12:12 PM

If true, this might support the cop’s side of the story. He fired 5 non-lethal shots quickly and the guy was still coming toward him with his head down.

forest on August 18, 2014 at 12:14 PM

“Through the window of his cruiser, he grabs Big Mike by the throat,” Bosley said.

A cop sitting in a cruiser reached out his window and grapped a 6’3″ guy by the neck? Do the cops in Ferguson drive monster trucks?

Megyn Kellys Lipstick on August 18, 2014 at 12:14 PM

Don’t these cops have tasers, by the way?

One of the challenges in recreating what happened is that we’re looking at all of this not only with 20/20 hindsight, but also with all of the time that is needed to consider alternatives or other possibilities.

Lost in these reports are the details about the injuries suffered by the Officer – the claim, as far as I know that hasn’t been conclusively eliminated, that there was a struggle at the car where at least one shot was fired and Brown allegedly attempted to get the Officer’s weapon.

That move, by itself and if the case, changes the entire dynamics of the engagement, particularly if a 6 ft. 4 in. nearly 300 lbs person has turned and is charging one.

I don’t necessarily disagree with the quote from Steyn, it’s just to me, at this point, mistakes were made by both sides which escalated a situation into one where, in a split second, resulted in the application of deadly force.

Athos on August 18, 2014 at 12:14 PM

The first two was clear, then it was a barage of them shits
 
— Bruh.

 
Dibs on next registration.

rogerb on August 18, 2014 at 12:15 PM

Mmmm… Skittles… sweet sweet Skittles.

Akzed on August 18, 2014 at 12:15 PM

Don’t these cops have tasers, by the way?


Yeah, just “shoot him in the leg”. Right Allah?

Ever use a taser- by the way? Have you seen it’s effects? Understand accuracy and effectiveness under different conditions and perpetrators?

No? Well why speculate and makes comments about things you know nothing about? Then add further stupidity with the thinly veiled the police are militarized comment

Way to play LEO and add to the dialogue.

How about why didn’t the criminal surrender? Why did he try to attack the police?

Is there a person on the planet who believes that physically attacking a police officer is…a good idea that will end well?

Yes, of course. Why didn’t the police officer just let Brown attack him and possibly kill him with his own gun?

The only wrong here was what Brown did.

Marcus Traianus on August 18, 2014 at 12:15 PM

Coward KKKop initially thought he would ride this out but then ran away with his tail between his legs.

Ferguson PD were visiting him at his home to hatch his defense, cook up stories and help him flee. That is what I call Justice. Fair, Impartial, and on the run.

One neighbor said he knew Officer Wilson was on the Ferguson police force, and figured out that he might be linked to the shooting of Mr. Brown when police cars, marked and unmarked, started showing up in the neighborhood several days ago. Then on Tuesday, Officer Wilson began mowing his lawn, but “he did not finish,” said the neighbor, who wore a faded Cardinals T-shirt and camouflage shorts. “It appears they left in a hurry.”
Since then, people have come to take the couple’s mail in and picked up their dogs, but the two have not been seen.

“I don’t expect them to return,” the neighbor said.

Ned Pepper on August 18, 2014 at 12:15 PM

Lasers are great when you have a stationary target within 15′.

A 6’3″ 290 target barreling down on you or trying to drag you out of your cop car. Not so much.

Why didn’t the cop sing Brown a lullaby or offer him some skittles? Surely, that would would have worked?

HumpBot Salvation on August 18, 2014 at 12:08 PM

Exactly!!

Indianatime on August 18, 2014 at 12:16 PM

Dibs on next registration. rogerb on August 18, 2014 at 12:15 PM

So if we see a newbie handle “them shits” we’ll know it’s you?

Akzed on August 18, 2014 at 12:16 PM

Don’t these cops have tasers, by the way?

Yeah. But those only work in certain circumstances. A 6’4″ 290 pound person will NOT be stopped by a tazer. Especially when he is charging, head on, at his intended victim.

I live in a land of Rednecks. If a white man, 6’4″ 290 pounds charges at my front door Imma shoot that person.

If Michael Brown was white, we wouldn’t even be having this conversation. Race Hustlers and Black Hacks are throwing gasoline on an ant hill.

Whatevah. Let’s forget the Yazidi’s. Let’s focus on the “Gentle Gianat” Michael Brown.

Umm hmmm.

Key West Reader on August 18, 2014 at 12:16 PM

When an unarmed shoplifter* in T-shirt and shorts with a five-buck cigar box in one hand has to be shot dead, you’re doing it wrong.”

Asterisk (whatever that means) aside,
there is this:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/21/margate-walmart-shooting-gunfire-florida_n_1905239.html

http://article.wn.com/view/2014/06/03/Shoplifting_accused_runs_over_security_guard/

http://article.wn.com/view/2014/06/03/Shoplifting_accused_runs_over_security_guard/

Now, in the revised version of events, we have Big Mike punching the officer, getting out of the car, and when the officer shoots him as Big Mike tries to take his service arm, advancing on the officer.

If you’ve broken one law (Thou shalt not steal), what’s the distance between that and breaking “Thou shalt not kill”? The cited articles indicate “not much”. Note: I’ve left off the recent “Shoplifter kills three security guards in Kiev” because Kiev is certainly in an abnormal state right now. But, then again, so is Ferguson.

unclesmrgol on August 18, 2014 at 12:16 PM

As Mark Steyn said, “[W]hether or not the fatal shooting of Mr Brown is a crime, it’s certainly a mistake.

Ridiculous. A police officer has a right and and obligation to defend themselves when they are attacked – this officer should be praised, not scorned – his training served him well.

Pork-Chop on August 18, 2014 at 12:17 PM

Mark Steyn is…wait for it…wrong.

JohnBrown on August 18, 2014 at 12:17 PM

ISIS and Ferguson, obama’s world…the guy who was going to save the world.

Schadenfreude on August 18, 2014 at 12:17 PM

“ThreePhraroah” is going to end up on the witness stand for the prosecution testifying that Officer Wilson fired at Brown’s back more than once.

Which the cop had every legal right to do, given that Brown and Johnson had both reportedly assaulted the officer at/near the car, and Brown had reportedly punched the cop in the face and tried to take his gun, causing it to discharge.

At that point, Brown was a perp fleeing the scene of a violent felony.

AZCoyote on August 18, 2014 at 12:17 PM

“[W]hether or not the fatal shooting of Mr Brown is a crime, it’s certainly a mistake. When an unarmed shoplifter* in T-shirt and shorts with a five-buck cigar box in one hand has to be shot dead, you’re doing it wrong.”

The robbery suspect was 6 foot 9, weighing 292 pounds, who just broke the cop’s nose.

sentinelrules on August 18, 2014 at 12:18 PM

Wake up America – a racist is your president.

Schadenfreude on August 18, 2014 at 12:19 PM

Back in the 90′s a female Cali cop got beaten into a coma by a professional wrestler she confronted at a fast food joint, she eventually got medically retired from the force for her injuries.

I’ve worn a fully-tricked 1911 under a loose shirt and shorts, you wouldn’t know I was packing iron even if you studied me from two feet away.

This stupid “shoot him in the elbow!” crap has to stop; a guy built like a tank is rushing you and you have no idea what’s under his shirt, in his pocket, in the small of his back, if he’s loaded to the gills on PCP, if he’s a 10th level Ju-Jitsu Professor, or if he’s stone-cold homicidal insane.

Bishop on August 18, 2014 at 12:19 PM

Ned’s worried that he’s next.

CurtZHP on August 18, 2014 at 12:19 PM

The car very well have had a taser, but that doesn’t mean the officer had a taser at his immediate disposal

BuzzCrutcher on August 18, 2014 at 12:19 PM

Ned Pepper on August 18, 2014 at 12:15 PM

I’ll pay your airfare to STL to house sit for the cop. Deal is you have to wear a cop uniform and sit in the front yard. With no other cops around and I get to tweet and put on social media that the KKKop is back in his house.

Deal?

No? You uh have to do laundry today?

Fukking coward.

HumpBot Salvation on August 18, 2014 at 12:19 PM

REMINDER: In America, you’re still innocent until proven guilty — unless you happen to be a dead black young man.

Ned Pepper on August 18, 2014 at 12:19 PM

“Through the window of his cruiser, he grabs Big Mike by the throat,” Bosley said.

A 6’3″ person, grabbed by the throat by someone sitting in a standard police cruiser?

Kind of hard to believe.

Aizen on August 18, 2014 at 12:20 PM

Ned Pepper on August 18, 2014 at 12:15 PM

So, you support the black lynch mob of officer Wilson?

What about Due Process?

sentinelrules on August 18, 2014 at 12:20 PM

I see a grassy knoll……..

BobMbx on August 18, 2014 at 12:20 PM

Why didn’t the cop sing Brown a lullaby or offer him some skittles? Surely, that would would have worked?

HumpBot Salvation on August 18, 2014 at 12:08 PM

Have to admit, I LOL’d.

The bottom line here is that really no one knows why the cop felt it necessary to shoot Brown.

changer1701 on August 18, 2014 at 12:21 PM

Eyewitness testimony is unreliable under the best of circumstances. Something is happening in quick time and everyone’s understanding of the circumstances is different. Johnson may honestly believe he saw something that didn’t actually happen. Autopsy should show front or back shots.

rbj on August 18, 2014 at 12:21 PM

Dr. Michael Baden says all of the gunshot wounds Michael Brown sustained were ‘survivable except the 1 to the top of his head’ – live video
 
Ned Pepper on August 18, 2014 at 12:12 PM

 
It’s sad, really, that you don’t understand you don’t shoot to wound. You shoot until the threat ends.
 
That’s exactly what you want your government officials to do. All those non-lethal shots by the overbearing nanny-state government official you personally endorse and encourage were all failures to perform his duties at a “meets expectations” level.

rogerb on August 18, 2014 at 12:21 PM

I cannot even begin to image what Martin Luther King would think if he saw the state of black America today. Content of character my a$$ MistyLane on August 18, 2014 at 12:12 PM

MLK beat up a whore the morning of his death acc to Ralph Abernathy’s book. MLK’s FBI records were sealed for 50 years, so as not to let the sheople know the truth about his dalliances with Communists and females to which he was not married. So, I mean, I’m not trying to poke you in the eye, but who cares about his opinion of anything?

Akzed on August 18, 2014 at 12:21 PM

This stupid “shoot him in the elbow!” crap has to stop; a guy built like a tank is rushing you and you have no idea what’s under his shirt, in his pocket, in the small of his back, if he’s loaded to the gills on PCP, if he’s a 10th level Ju-Jitsu Professor, or if he’s stone-cold homicidal insane.

Bishop on August 18, 2014 at 12:19 PM

And if he’s empowered by meth and Social Justice? And charging at you like an elephant?

I’d shoot to kill, personally.

Key West Reader on August 18, 2014 at 12:21 PM

“Bruh?”

Well reading this inane post is 5 minutes I wish I could get back…

dpduq on August 18, 2014 at 12:21 PM

REMINDER: In America, you’re still innocent until proven guilty — unless you happen to be a dead black young man.

Ned Pepper on August 18, 2014 at 12:19 PM

Please explain Due Process to the Black Lynch Mob.

sentinelrules on August 18, 2014 at 12:21 PM

If Brown was charging at Wilson, which according to a friend of Wilson is what happened, and kept coming at him after a couple of shots, then of course he’s going to keep shooting until Brown goes down. It’s not clear yet what happened, but I give almost no credence to Johnson’s account. He’s not credible. “Bruh’s” live tweeting account is not very clear, but I don’t think it’s inconsistent with Wilson’s story. First, Bruh did not see what happened at the police truck. It all depends on the timing of the first 2 shots heard, were they before Brown came into view running, or after? If before, they could have been shots fired at the truck, when Wilson says Brown rushed him. Wilson says only one shot was fired, and Bruh says 2 shots fired before Brown turns around, but in the confusion, one of them could be wrong, probably Bruh. What he saw happened in seconds, through a window, and he could not see the entire scene.

Wilson claims that when he backed up to approach Brown and Johnson, and tried to open his door, they slammed his door shut. When he tried again to climb out of the car, Brown bum-rushes him and shoves him back into his car. Punches him in the face and them Johnson (the star eye-witness) grabs for the gun. Then Brown grabbed for the gun. At some point the gun goes off in the truck.

Then Brown runs and Wilson yells, “Freeze!” Brown turns around, and then charges at Wilson. Wilson starts shooting, Brown keeps charging. Wilson shoots until he goes down.

Maybe Wilson is lying, maybe his friend is lying, who knows. But it could have happened exactly the way Wilson’s friend is saying it happened.

mbs on August 18, 2014 at 12:21 PM

As Mark Steyn said, “[W]hether or not the fatal shooting of Mr Brown is a crime, it’s certainly a mistake. When an unarmed shoplifter* in T-shirt and shorts with a five-buck cigar box in one hand has to be shot dead, you’re doing it wrong.”

Steyn is just wrong here.

The shoplifting (which was more than that, since it included an assault on the store clerk) wasn’t the issue. Brown assaulted the cop and tried to take his gun, nearly shooting him in the process. That is a felony. Also Brown was the size of an NFL linebacker. If, as reported, he turned and charged at the officer (whom he had already punched in the face), the cop realistically had no choice but to shoot him as many times as necessary to stop him.

AZCoyote on August 18, 2014 at 12:21 PM

Would Steyn have felt better if the LEO had been killed because of a mistake…?Most LEO’s in a life or death situation almost always make mistakes on the side of staying alive…

d1carter on August 18, 2014 at 12:21 PM

I’m tired of this whole thing. Michael Brown is seen as a hero and cops and white people are once again evil. I wasn’t there. I don’t know what happened. But it would have been nice if the cop could have wounded Brown and spared us all of this crap. And whatever happened to dash cam videos? Wouldn’t that give a clue as to what happened?

Jack_Burton on August 18, 2014 at 12:22 PM

A black guy shot a 10 year old girl and 2 white cops yesterday in NC.

Where’s your outrage Ded Pecker?

And all you honkies out there, let’s go get our rioting on, I need some new jordans and mad dog.

HumpBot Salvation on August 18, 2014 at 12:22 PM

Mark Steyn is wrong; the officer has said all along that Michael Brown “bumrushed” him. Why do you choose to believe a thug and his companion in crime, instead of an officer with NO prior complaints or reprimands?!

A police officer has a right to use “reasonable force” and shoot if and when he is threatened; a large man rushing you, after he has ALREADY ASSAULTED YOU constitutes “threat.” Michael Brown got shot because he asked for it. And, he deserved to be shot too.

How do you know that the officer knew Brown was “unarmed?” There is NO EVIDENCE proving that the officer KNEW BROWN WAS UNARMED. The officer stopped them, told them to get out of the street, then got the radio dispatch identifying Brown as a suspect in a previous robbery so the officer returns to Brown and Johnson on the street, at which point, Brown “bumrushes” the officer INTO THE CAR, ASSAULTS THE OFFICER, then RUNS. When the officer yells freeze, Brown turns around and “bumrushes” him–at which point the officer shoots.

It’s a prima facie case of “reasonable force” in “self-defense.” Under the law, the officer had every right to shoot.

mountainaires on August 18, 2014 at 12:22 PM

1) The issue of whether shots were fired that missed Brown should be cleared up by reconciling the total shots fired from the gun less the number of shots hitting Brown + one that discharged in the car.

2) The shot in the car is an important point. If it went into the floor or the seat, it would tend to support the officer’s claim that Brown went for – and almost got – his gun.

3) We haven’t yet seen any detailed version of the officer’s account, have we?

krkwakmgk on August 18, 2014 at 12:13 PM

Of course we have not heard of any of this. It would tend to not support the desired narrative of the agitating media and race baiting leftist layabouts…

bimmcorp on August 18, 2014 at 12:23 PM

REMINDER: In America, you’re still innocent until proven guilty — unless you happen to be a dead black young man.

Ned Pepper on August 18, 2014 at 12:19 PM

Or a white cop or a white hispanic.

GFY, idiot.

HumpBot Salvation on August 18, 2014 at 12:23 PM

Is there a dress code for those allowed to rough up people at will?

Cindy Munford on August 18, 2014 at 12:23 PM

Wilson emptied at least six shots into him

Strange description of the event.

HonestLib on August 18, 2014 at 12:24 PM

AZCoyote on August 18, 2014 at 12:17 PM

Seems to me, it’s pretty simple about how to not get shot by a police officer….

Don’t resist arrest.

Don’t attack the Officer and try to take his weapon.

Don’t make any threatening moves towards the Officer – including don’t charge the Officer.

Be aware that one’s size (6 ft 4 in, 290+ lbs) can be a threat to an Officer.

However, if you do any of the above, you’ve escalated the situation and you risk having deadly force being used on you, particularly if you’ve already struck the officer and attempted to take his weapon from him.

Athos on August 18, 2014 at 12:24 PM

A black guy shot a 10 year old girl and 2 white cops yesterday in NC.

Where’s your outrage Ded Pecker?

And all you honkies out there, let’s go get our rioting on, I need some new jordans and mad dog.

HumpBot Salvation on August 18, 2014 at 12:22 PM

Exactly.

mountainaires on August 18, 2014 at 12:24 PM

Gotta “mike and record” cops, easy technology to implement.

right2bright on August 18, 2014 at 12:24 PM

A 6’3″ person, grabbed by the throat by someone sitting in a standard police cruiser?

Kind of hard to believe.

Aizen on August 18, 2014 at 12:20 PM

But don’t you know that Officer Wilson has arms like that of Elastigirl?

Bitter Clinger on August 18, 2014 at 12:25 PM

Why didn’t the cop shoot him in the pinkie toe to make him stop charging?

— New Media Narrative

HumpBot Salvation on August 18, 2014 at 12:26 PM

Ned Pepper I offered to pay your airfare to STL to house sit for the cop.

Are you going? I need to contact my travel agent to get the flight booked.

HumpBot Salvation on August 18, 2014 at 12:27 PM

Ned Pepper on August 18, 2014 at 12:19 PM

I only break this out on proper occasions. Although its still daylight…. Complete with Lyrics in case you’re too full of Fruit Loops

You’re welcome

Key West Reader on August 18, 2014 at 12:28 PM

Everything in the first eyewitness account can be discredited by the position and location of Brown when he died – no autopsy needed.

Nothing in the second eyewitness account would stand up as actual eyewitness testimony except that @TheePharoah saw Brown die. Everything else could be something that was told to him. Never does he say he saw Brown running or being shot. If he goes to police and says he saw it, that’s a whole different matter. As of now, not a single “eyewitness” of the version that claims Brown was on his knees when shot, running away when shot, or any other public housing rumor has come forward to give their statement to police that we know of. your conclusions of this “eyewitness” are really shoddy, Allah.

The third eyewitness account, the location and position of Brown’s body, and Dr. Baden’s autopsy all seem to corroborate the version of events relayed by Wilson’s friend that were first revealed on Dana Loesch’s show on The Blaze TV.

UnstChem on August 18, 2014 at 12:28 PM

“[W]hether or not the fatal shooting of Mr Brown is a crime, it’s certainly a mistake. When an unarmed shoplifter* in T-shirt and shorts with a five-buck cigar box in one hand has to be shot dead, you’re doing it wrong.”

Perp commits a felony robbery and assault against an innocent shopkeeper.

When confronted by police suspect runs, then physically charges police. We are not sure yet, but quite possibly there was also an assault with physical injuries on the LEO. But unlike you Mark, I will wait for the facts.

LEO has ordered the suspect, who is really a felon (and he knows it) to stop, which he ignores. At his own peril I might add.

LEO has a gun and a right to self-defense. Case closed. The rest is hyperbole and politics.

Marcus Traianus on August 18, 2014 at 12:28 PM

I’m not seeing the transcript of those tweets from that NRO link…am I missing something?

Bee on August 18, 2014 at 12:29 PM

REMINDER: In America, you’re still innocent until proven guilty — unless you happen to be a white cop (or a “white hispanic”) who shot a black male who assaulted you dead black young man.

Ned Pepper on August 18, 2014 at 12:19 PM

Edited for accuracy.

AZCoyote on August 18, 2014 at 12:29 PM

Would Steyn have felt better if the LEO had been killed because of a mistake…?Most LEO’s in a life or death situation almost always make mistakes on the side of staying alive…

d1carter on August 18, 2014 at 12:21 PM

Years ago, in Dayton, Ohio, a female police officer decided to try and calm down an agitated perp by talking to him with her gun holstered. He ended up shooting her, paralyzing her, and she died a few years later from the medical complications.

Officer Wilson was a bit smarter than that. And I’m glad for him.

Bitter Clinger on August 18, 2014 at 12:29 PM

Coward KKKop initially thought he would…
 
Ned Pepper on August 18, 2014 at 12:15 PM

 
Anyone else remember when ALT got banned for using the same reference as this frontpage Hotair headline?
 
http://hotair.com/archives/2013/03/29/rep-young-hey-no-disrespect-intended-by-that-ethnic-slur-i-used/

rogerb on August 18, 2014 at 12:29 PM

I don’t know the whole story yet. The bits and pieces we’ve heard don’t match however the evidence will show what happened.

PS, I hear all this concern about how the robbery video will taint the jury pool, that’s nothing to how the riots and rush to judgment will effect the witnesses. Do you think an eye witness will dispute the neighborhood version of events given the level of violence?

Tater Salad on August 18, 2014 at 12:30 PM

But don’t you know that Officer Wilson has arms like that of Elastigirl?

Bitter Clinger on August 18, 2014 at 12:25 PM

LOL. Made me spew some of the water I was drinking.

Aizen on August 18, 2014 at 12:30 PM

Coward KKKop initially thought he would ride this out but then ran away with his tail between his legs.

Ferguson PD were visiting him at his home to hatch his defense, cook up stories and help him flee. That is what I call Justice. Fair, Impartial, and on the run.

Ned Pepper on August 18, 2014 at 12:15 PM

Yeah. We should be able to lynch him right here and now with no pesky trial or nothing like that!!!

So much stupid in everything this person writes – it has to be a sock-puppet by Hotair trolling for comments. this “Ned Pepper” commenter cannot be a real person.

Monkeytoe on August 18, 2014 at 12:30 PM

REMINDER: In America, you’re still innocent until proven guilty — unless you happen to be a looting and police-charging dead black young man.

Ned Pepper on August 18, 2014 at 12:19 PM

Schadenfreude on August 18, 2014 at 12:30 PM

When did parents stop teaching their kids to not fight/argue/disrespect a police officer? Never mind I answered my own question…too many kids now do not have any responsible parenting.

maables on August 18, 2014 at 12:30 PM

As Mark Steyn said, “[W]hether or not the fatal shooting of Mr Brown is a crime, it’s certainly a mistake. When an unarmed shoplifter* in T-shirt and shorts with a five-buck cigar box in one hand has to be shot dead, you’re doing it wrong.”

Much as I love Mark Steyn, this is not only dead wrong, but actually rather stupid. People are killed by unarmed men every day. Particularly someone as big as this guy, who seems to be acting a little crazy.

It doesn’t matter what the original crime was. Once a man, unarmed or not, tries to take away an officer’s gun, as seems to have been the case here, he’s a deadly threat and shooting is justified. To just sweep it all away by calling him an unarmed shoplifter as if that’s all he was is indefensible.

There Goes the Neighborhood on August 18, 2014 at 12:31 PM

zFeed Top News @PzFeed
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JUST IN: Amnesty International just announced they’ve sent human rights team to #Ferguson; first time they’ve done that in the US.
12:00 AM – 18 Aug 2014

Thank you Racist KKKops of Ferguson, Missouri.

Ned Pepper on August 18, 2014 at 12:31 PM

It was rare for me to listen to him, but I completely tuned out Michael Savage when he declared Zimmerman guilty long before anyone knew the facts, and now Mark Steyn?? What’s next, Thomas Sowell advocating for wealth redistribution.

Megyn Kellys Lipstick on August 18, 2014 at 12:31 PM

Coward KKKop initially thought he would ride this out but then ran away with his tail between his legs.

Ned Pepper on August 18, 2014 at 12:15 PM

Agreed. This had nothing to do with the media publishing his address and providing handy directions on how to get there.

“Honey, there’s someone on the phone, they say they want to kill you, me, the kids, and the dog, and they’re going to do the deed when we least expect it. We should just go on about our lives as usual, right?”

Bishop on August 18, 2014 at 12:31 PM

Dr. Michael Baden says all of the gunshot wounds Michael Brown sustained were ‘survivable except the 1 to the top of his head’ – live video
— @BreakingNews

It’s mourning in America.
#Ferguson

Ned Pepper on August 18, 2014 at 12:12 PM

Doctors say all the Stupidity was sustainable in Ned, other
than that which resided in his Cerebrum…

ToddPA on August 18, 2014 at 12:32 PM

I wonder how long before we hear citizen Brown was high of drugs at the time of his death.

lel2007 on August 18, 2014 at 12:33 PM

Matt Novak @paleofuture · 13h
Our national disgrace. RT @JebBoone: More and more foreign news outlets sending their war correspondents to cover #Ferguson

Thank you Racist KKKops of Ferguson, Missouri.

Ned Pepper on August 18, 2014 at 12:33 PM

My name is AquaTeen, Sock of Socks: Look on my posts, ye mighty, and despair!’

Ned Pepper on August 18, 2014 at 12:15 PM

Dolce Far Niente on August 18, 2014 at 12:33 PM

And if he’s empowered by meth and Social Justice? And charging at you like an elephant?

I’d shoot to kill, personally.

Key West Reader on August 18, 2014 at 12:21 PM

I forgot to take the trash out a few nights ago. The wife had me doing the two step Serpentine like in the movie In-Laws.

HonestLib on August 18, 2014 at 12:34 PM

REMINDER: In America, you’re still innocent until proven guilty — unless you happen to be a dead black young man white cop.

Ned Pepper on August 18, 2014 at 12:19 PM

There, now isn’t that what you really meant?

Oldnuke on August 18, 2014 at 12:34 PM

The officer put his cruiser in reverse, Bosley said, and pulled up so close that when he opened the door, it bumped Johnson and Brown.

That’s assault by opening up a car door too close to someone. Kind of like “his face hit my fist”.

The angry mob believes the man who’s an accessory to a robbery just 10 minutes beforehand. As another poster wrote, once the narrative is set in some peoples’ minds, it cannot get unset. Because their minds don’t work very well.

LashRambo on August 18, 2014 at 12:35 PM

Dr. Michael Baden says all of the gunshot wounds Michael Brown sustained were ‘survivable except the 1 to the top of his head’ – live video

@BreakingNews

It’s mourning in America.
#Ferguson

Ned Pepper on August 18, 2014 at 12:12 PM

Bless you, Uncle Son,

We won’t forget you when the revolution comes…

Ray Davies, 1971

Del Dolemonte on August 18, 2014 at 12:35 PM

Thank you Racist KKKops of Ferguson, Missouri.
Ned Pepper on August 18, 2014 at 12:33 PM

Hey, it takes a villiage to put down a rabid, feral dog.

tommyboy on August 18, 2014 at 12:35 PM

REMINDER: In America, you’re still innocent until proven guilty — unless you happen to be a dead black young man.

Ned Pepper on August 18, 2014 at 12:19 PM

Or a cop based on your other posts, and Mark Steyn and AP.

talkingpoints on August 18, 2014 at 12:35 PM

Anybody in law enforcement on this thread?

Can you tell me the device the cops carry that can tell if a suspect is armed or unarmed upon immediate contact? How big is it and how does it work?

HumpBot Salvation on August 18, 2014 at 12:35 PM

A black guy shot a 10 year old girl and 2 white cops yesterday in NC.

Where’s your outrage Ded Pecker?

And all you honkies out there, let’s go get our rioting on, I need some new jordans and mad dog.

HumpBot Salvation on August 18, 2014 at 12:22 PM

I be wit yo bruh….where be NC?

BobMbx on August 18, 2014 at 12:35 PM

Tasers are great when you have a stationary target within 15′.

A 6’3″ 290 target barreling down on you or trying to drag you out of your cop car. Not so much.

Why didn’t the cop sing Brown a lullaby or offer him some skittles? Surely, that would would have worked?

HumpBot Salvation on August 18, 2014 at 12:08 PM

He had already punched the officer and tried to grab his gun from him. Do you have any idea how tasers work? I believe they don’t just switch on and douchebag was leaving. He stopped and turned towards the officer when Wilson told him to stop and had his weapon pointed at him. Are you arguing that Brown was strolling back to discuss the problem with Wilson? Spare me!

Blake on August 18, 2014 at 12:12 PM

It’s funny that I see so many people calling Allah out on this. A marine friend of mine actually had a back and forth with someone on Facebook who asked about a taser and he said…

No offense, man, but most non-lethal means don’t really work in this kind of a situation… that kid would have been well beyond most take-down methods… a taser may have slowed him down, but with that much adrenaline running through him, I don’t think for a second it would have stopped him… and I don’t think the officer pulled his weapon with the intention of firing it, he probably thought the kid would stop… I would.

I have been super critical of the cops in this case, but even eye witnesses said the kid was coming after the cop

Tasers are not that effective, and they can miss just like anything else… they work great against a relatively calm, stationary individual, they do NOT work well against a moving target at all, hell it took him 5 shots with a handgun to hit a vital point, if he had a taser he wouldn’t have done anything at all, man.

MobileVideoEngineer on August 18, 2014 at 12:36 PM

This irresponsible cop should have just grabbed a big bucket of marbles from his squad car and thrown them on the street so that the criminal would slip, like in Animal House.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwlRiq-bIms

WhatSlushfund on August 18, 2014 at 12:37 PM

Thank you Racist KKKops of Ferguson, Missouri.

Ned Pepper on August 18, 2014 at 12:33 PM

Ned are you going to STL or not.

You too big of a coward to even reply?

HumpBot Salvation on August 18, 2014 at 12:37 PM

Anybody in law enforcement on this thread?

Can you tell me the device the cops carry that can tell if a suspect is armed or unarmed upon immediate contact? How big is it and how does it work?

HumpBot Salvation on August 18, 2014 at 12:35 PM

I’m an undocumented law enforcement officer, and the device you’re asking about is the MK 2 Hindsight.

You’ll have to wait to find out how to use it.

BobMbx on August 18, 2014 at 12:37 PM

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