Two eyewitness accounts of the Michael Brown shooting

posted at 12:01 pm on August 18, 2014 by Allahpundit

Some of you saw these elsewhere over the weekend but I want to put them together for those who didn’t, especially given the interest in the new autopsy report. Here’s how the attorney for Dorian Johnson, Brown’s companion and the only identified eyewitness to the shooting, described what happened:

The officer put his cruiser in reverse, Bosley said, and pulled up so close that when he opened the door, it bumped Johnson and Brown. “Through the window of his cruiser, he grabs Big Mike by the throat,” Bosley said. “Big Mike tries to move away. The officer grabs his shirt.”

Johnson, who was a student at Lincoln University, saw the officer pull out a gun. “He shoots Big Mike somewhere in the chest or arm,” Bosley said. “Dorian sees blood coming from the chest.”

Johnson took off running and hid behind the first car he saw, Bosley said. “Big Mike runs by him. He says to Dorian, ‘Keep running,’ ” Bosley said. “The officer chases Big Mike. He fires a shot and hits Big Mike in the back. Big Mike turns around. [Brown] puts his hands up. The officer shoots him five or six more times.”

Per the autopsy report, the detail about Brown being hit in the back is flat wrong and the detail about him having his hands up seems quite possibly wrong. What do other eyewitnesses say, though? Were there other eyewitnesses? Well, this guy whose profile claims he’s from St. Louis seemed to have live-tweeted the shooting on August 9th. The key bits:

His full tweet-stream that day is here. Note the third one above, though: A friend asks if Darren Wilson fired at Brown’s back and the tweeter says yes, twice. Obviously he missed but you can understand now why Johnson might have thought Brown had been hit from behind. If he was running too, glimpsed Brown running out of the corner of his eye, heard the shots, and then turned only after Brown had already turned and been hit from the front, he might have assumed (wrongly) that Brown was in the process of running when he was first hit. Either way, though, “TheePharoah” is going to end up on the witness stand for the prosecution testifying that Officer Wilson fired at Brown’s back more than once.

The other eyewitness account comes via Conservative Treehouse, which noticed a material snippet of conversation towards the end of the now widely-viewed cellphone video of the crime scene embedded below. (Brown’s body is visible so here’s your content warning.) The relevant part starts at around 6:25. Here’s how Conservative Treehouse transcribes the conversation:

#1 How’d he get from there to there?

#2 Because he ran, the police was still in the truck – cause he was like over the truck

{crosstalk}

#2 But him and the police was both in the truck, then he ran – the police got out and ran after him

{crosstalk}

#2 Then the next thing I know he coming back toward him cus – the police had his gun drawn already on him –

#1. Oh, the police got his gun

#2 The police kept dumpin on him, and I’m thinking the police kept missing – he like – be like – but he kept coming toward him

{crosstalk}

#2 Police fired shots – the next thing I know – the police was missing

I’m having trouble making out some of the beginning and the end of the audio well enough to track the transcript; I actually don’t hear the second boldfaced part and I don’t hear the part where the guy allegedly says Brown and the police was “both in the truck.” That would be new information, if true; what he says about Brown being “over the truck,” i.e. standing next to it when Wilson stopped them, fits with what he know. Either way, though, the middle part is clear. The eyewitness does seem to say “he coming back toward him,” apparently meaning Brown turned after initially running away from Wilson and came back towards him. Whether that means Brown was “bumrushing” him, as an alleged friend of Wilson’s claimed, or was just walking back is unclear. It’s also unclear from this when Wilson fired his first shot. Was it when Brown was running away, with his back to him, or was it when he had already turned and was coming towards Wilson?

Don’t these cops have tasers, by the way? The one fact that’s not in dispute as far as I know is that Brown was unarmed and yet Wilson emptied at least six shots into him, per the autopsy report, and may well have missed hitting him in the back once or twice before that. A squad equipped with a Bearcat and M4s should also have room in its inventory for non-lethal means to bring down even a big man like Brown. As Mark Steyn said, “[W]hether or not the fatal shooting of Mr Brown is a crime, it’s certainly a mistake. When an unarmed shoplifter* in T-shirt and shorts with a five-buck cigar box in one hand has to be shot dead, you’re doing it wrong.”


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When an unarmed shoplifter* in T-shirt and shorts with a five-buck cigar box in one hand has to be shot dead, you’re doing it wrong.”

Grabbing an old man by the neck and knocking people around while stealing something isn’t “shoplifting”. “Shoplifting” is putting something in your pocket or under your shirt and quietly leaving hoping no one will notice.

Midas on August 18, 2014 at 12:40 PM

I wanted to highlight this because I still can’t believe that Steyn couldn’t discern this distinction. Who here knows and loves someone who shoves clerks around and robs from stores and then skips down the street like it’s all in a days work? Steyn doesn’t. Steyn would have sht his pants if he was that clerk. Just a kid shoplifting = right/ Maybe his own liberal kids or spouse muddied his mind on this. It is a bizzaro column.

BoxHead1 on August 18, 2014 at 2:23 PM

This story is all over the internet, if you are really following the case, I’m surprised you haven’t seen it. This is also consistent with the statements made by the police chief early on, that Wilson had injuries to his face. Like I said, the friend could be lying, Wilson could be lying, but this story is consistent with most of the evidence. Except Johnson’s account.

mbs on August 18, 2014 at 2:00 PM

I’ve looked at that account a few times now and skipped over the name Darren every time for some reason. Here I’ve been wondering what Johnson’s first name was and … well, there it is, LOL.

It appears that detail has been lost on many since you were the first I saw even mention it.

When Wilson’s story came out, it was more than obvious his version matches the scene of Brown’s death more than any other.

UnstChem on August 18, 2014 at 2:30 PM

“… while she sat in her car ….”

[Pork-Chop on August 18, 2014 at 1:38 PM]

It’s been a while (it took something like a year for authorities to do their investigation and release any info at all), so my memory is hazy and she might very well have been stuck by gunfire while still sitting in her car, but I seem to remember the gentle unarmed Carey had exited her car and was in the process of giving herself up when the final lethal hail of gunfire by law enforcement from several directions abruptly ended the life of the poor disoriented woman.

But the black community doesn’t care about that travesty. No nightly vigils, no demand for transparency, no protests about overreaction with deadly police actions. About the only difference I can see is that there was insufficient opportunity to segue from free speechifying to looting in the Carey case. Federal authorities backed by Congressional and Executive elites would never stand for looting in their comfy DC community as a response to federal police brutality. Elsewhere, not so much.

Dusty on August 18, 2014 at 2:37 PM

“Why does it seem like ed, noah and allah want to throw this cop to the mob to appease them?

peacenprosperity on August 18, 2014 at 1:05 PM
Why would there mere fact that they acknowledge there’s much unanswered mean any such thing?

verbaluce on August 18, 2014 at 1:11 PM”
They were not admitting that there were unknown facts, they were hypothesizing about what happened and all to the detriment of the cop. They could have speculated about the first altercation in the truck and what might have happened there but chose not to do so. At this point in time we do not need our sites to become advocates for either side but to present the facts as they are discovered.

inspectorudy on August 18, 2014 at 2:37 PM

If that cop grabbed that moose by the throat while seated in his vehicle, then ha must have balls the size of a Hoppity-Hop!

bigGwillie on August 18, 2014 at 2:38 PM

IndieDogg on August 18, 2014 at 1:09 PM

One thing that needs no speculation. If I, a civilian, had shot an unarmed guy this way I’d be in JAIL.

If, when i was in Afghanistan – if I had shot an unarmed Taliban in this manner – I would be facing the UCMJ.

Cops? Hell they investigate themselves. Make up their own stories and cover for each other.

Go ahead and brush it under the table – I’m sure things will be forgotten, the Ferguson police will regain all the credibility they never had to police this town.

HondaV65 on August 18, 2014 at 2:43 PM

One thing that needs no speculation. If I, a civilian, had shot an unarmed guy this way I’d be in JAIL.

If, when i was in Afghanistan – if I had shot an unarmed Taliban in this manner – I would be facing the UCMJ.

Are you telling me that MP’s, Army CID/Navy NIS/Air Force OIC (depending on your branch) wouldn’t investigate a murder if it was committed by the service member?

A JAG team wouldn’t be involved?

Cops? Hell they investigate themselves. Make up their own stories and cover for each other.

Anyone can be bias; but you seem to go further and said that the biased is already built in. As I just stated before, the system does investigate itself, but cover-ups for the most part don’t always hold.

If there was true wrongdoing it almost always comes out.

Go ahead and brush it under the table – I’m sure things will be forgotten, the Ferguson police will regain all the credibility they never had to police this town.

HondaV65 on August 18, 2014 at 2:43 PM

Well, Honda it seems you already made up your mind, the officer in this case was guilty, and cops are ALWAYS guilty of maleficence. Not much on “Innocent till Proven Guilty” are you?

Not trying to be really snarky, but by your standard when you served you and your teammates MUST have committed murder ever single day of your tour of duty…why did YOU cover it up?

BlaxPac on August 18, 2014 at 2:58 PM

*gunshots right across the street*

“RUN! Get to cover!”

-Eff that, where’s my cellphone.

Bishop on August 18, 2014 at 2:01 PM

I think gunshots in that neighborhood were not all that exciting. Unless they were “too early in the day”.

BobMbx on August 18, 2014 at 3:03 PM

Steyn’s characterization is wrong. Brown’s crime of note wasn’t shoplifting. It was robbery, which is far, far more seriou

And apparently deserves summary execution?

When did conservatives forget that its the police’s obligation to deliver suspects to the court’s for due process. Not to summarily execute before trial. It’s one of the cornerstones of our democracy. Clearly, some of you believe that it’s not meant to be extended to black citizens.

libfreeordie on August 18, 2014 at 3:05 PM

If, when i was in Afghanistan – if I had shot an unarmed Taliban in this manner – I would be facing the UCMJ.

Are you telling me that MP’s, Army CID/Navy NIS/Air Force OIC (depending on your branch) wouldn’t investigate a murder if it was committed by the service member?

A JAG team wouldn’t be involved?

Thats what “facing the UCMJ” means.

BobMbx on August 18, 2014 at 3:07 PM

When did conservatives forget that its the police’s obligation to deliver suspects to the court’s for due process. Not to summarily execute before trial. It’s one of the cornerstones of our democracy. Clearly, some of you believe that it’s not meant to be extended to black citizens.

libfreeordie on August 18, 2014 at 3:05 PM

Apparently you have perfect knowledge of the event. Care to share it with us?

BobMbx on August 18, 2014 at 3:08 PM

Anyone can be bias; but you seem to go further and said that the biased is already built in. As I just stated before, the system does investigate itself, but cover-ups for the most part don’t always hold.

If there was true wrongdoing it almost always comes out.

Like at the IRS, Benghazi, BATF, etc. Not one smidgen.

BobMbx on August 18, 2014 at 3:09 PM

I’ve been lurking in that weeds reading and watching the news and HA posts/commentary and have a few thoughts:
Michael Brown did participate actively in a strong armed robbery of the convenience store and committed a battery on the store clerk.
The officer came upon Brown and Johnson as they were leaving the store, unaware of the events that just transpired inside. Seeing them in the middle of the street, he calls/orders them to get out of the roadway, the confrontation initiates.
Brown, doped up or adrenalin stoked, comes over to the squad car where the officer is seated and strikes the officer, who is seated in the driver’s seat, not uncommon as he doesn’t suspect anything more than a jaywalker in the roadway. At this point the call comes over on the radio and the officer realizes that he’s confronting a robbery suspect. Brown may have heard the same information come over the radio and this now becomes an escalating situation where the fight in the confines of the car becomes a life or death struggle for the officer.
At some point, the officer and Brown disengage, Brown starts to walk away, thinking he just beat the officer into submission; however, the officer gets out of his car and orders Brown to halt, probably with his firearm drawn. Brown at this point, according to all accounts, has committed two “forcible felonies”: Robbery (Strong Armed) and Aggravated Battery to a Police Officer.
Brown sees and hears the officer, gets mad at the fact the officer is still in the action, and charges at him. The officer, already beaten about the face, fires in self-defense killing Brown, who according to the available evidence, was facing towards the officer and charging at him.
Have I missed anything yet?
Now comes the autopsy and new witness account that I think, supports this chain of events. The evidence is coming out as it becomes available. Prosecutors, local, county and state police and the DoJ will vet every point of information, because if they release anything erroneously the civil/criminal liability will be huge. Likewise if there is an attempt towards a police cover-up, the DoJ will hammer on it. Multiple autopsies, toxicology reviews will slow down the process but the end the more eyes on the better.
Talk of Tasers, OC/Mace and such is nonsense. It wasn’t there, the officer didn’t have it, and hypotheticals are a waste of time.

ChicagoBlues on August 18, 2014 at 3:11 PM

Well, Honda it seems you already made up your mind, the officer in this case was guilty, and cops are ALWAYS guilty of maleficence. Not much on “Innocent till Proven Guilty” are you?

Said the person defending an officer’s decision to summarily execute a a suspect before their day in court because, apparently, they weren’t able to do the job of apprehending him. On a fundamental basis, our police force should be manned with people who don’t have to kill suspects because they can’t apprehend them. If you cannot apprehend the suspect without killing them, then you need to get stronger, get faster, get better trained, get back up. Whatever it is. Execution is not acceptable, even if Mike Brown is guilty of the alleged theft.

libfreeordie on August 18, 2014 at 3:13 PM

Everyone is also forgetting the cop was on his own and there were two of them Totally disagree with Steyn on this.

Also people are suggesting Brown wasn’t dangerous. I don’t see any evidence that he wasn’t dangerous. Rather all evidence points to that he was. 18, convictions for violence, we saw him attacking the guy in the store and go back just to rough him up.

The cop is lucky to be alive, he could have died in the car already.

Esperanza on August 18, 2014 at 3:15 PM

Said the person defending an officer’s decision to summarily execute a a suspect before their day in court because, apparently, they weren’t able to do the job of apprehending him. On a fundamental basis, our police force should be manned with people who don’t have to kill suspects because they can’t apprehend them. If you cannot apprehend the suspect without killing them, then you need to get stronger, get faster, get better trained, get back up. Whatever it is. Execution is not acceptable, even if Mike Brown is guilty of the alleged theft.
 
libfreeordie on August 18, 2014 at 3:13 PM

 
And the suspects have no obligation in these exchanges, right professor?

rogerb on August 18, 2014 at 3:22 PM

And apparently deserves summary execution?

When did conservatives forget that its the police’s obligation to deliver suspects to the court’s for due process. Not to summarily execute before trial. It’s one of the cornerstones of our democracy. Clearly, some of you believe that it’s not meant to be extended to black citizens.

libfreeordie on August 18, 2014 at 3:05 PM

Apparently you have intimate knowledge of the exact sequence of events (beginning with the initial contact between Brown & the cop) which myself, the media, and virtually every individual on this planet is not privy to, which allows you to determine guilt beyond any doubt. Can you share this information with me? Better yet, have you shared this info with the anyone directly involved in the Brown case?

tanked59 on August 18, 2014 at 3:26 PM

Anyone else see the narrative changing, btw?

rogerb on August 18, 2014 at 3:27 PM

Said the person defending an officer’s decision to summarily execute a a suspect before their day in court because, apparently, they weren’t able to do the job of apprehending him. On a fundamental basis, our police force should be manned with people who don’t have to kill suspects because they can’t apprehend them. If you cannot apprehend the suspect without killing them, then you need to get stronger, get faster, get better trained, get back up. Whatever it is. Execution is not acceptable, even if Mike Brown is guilty of the alleged theft.

libfreeordie on August 18, 2014 at 3:13 PM

Well, I see that you have joined the ranks of those who have appointed themselves judge & jury, declared the police officer guilty, and seem ready to sentence this officer even though all the facts have yet to be revealed and/or discovered. And you are a teacher/professor who is responsible for educating minds, is this true?……Frightening…..

tanked59 on August 18, 2014 at 3:33 PM

Anyone else see the narrative changing, btw?

rogerb on August 18, 2014 at 3:27 PM

Absolutely.

tanked59 on August 18, 2014 at 3:35 PM

Anyone else see the narrative changing, btw?

rogerb on August 18, 2014 at 3:27 PM

If the narrative fits…

Schadenfreude on August 18, 2014 at 3:36 PM

I am going to school Allahpundit on use of force levels.

Use of force laws were made to prevent ‘excusable murders’. It clearly defines what level of force is allowed in an incident.

There are three terms, minimal, non-lethal, and lethal that are used by media, but the truth words are minimal, dangerous, and deadly. This also refers to types of assaults (latter two).

Dangerous force is an attack that can, or did, cause long lasting injury but would not endanger the life of a person. Force instance using a heel to break a tow would be considered dangerou. Force. Deadly force is when an attack would cause serious bodily injury including death.

If the report of an attack inside the police car is correct then the suspect used deadly force in an effort to injure or kill the officer. The officer does not downstep in training to dangerous force (a taser) but will use his firearm if needed to save his, or anothers life.

That last part is also essential. If you feel your life, or anothers, is potentially in danger, you can use lethal force to defend said life. This exceeds stand your ground and castle laws even. In this case we have a 300 pound giant who already assaulted the officer, demonstrating a distinct disregard not just for law but for life, who turned around and was going to try to physically struggle with the officer.

There being two suspects the officer is going to die if the struggle is neutral or lost. He has only one good training thing to fall back on, defend your own life from the assailant(s).

The officer did everything by the book as far as I can tell. I do not buy the, really badly out of line with the physical evidence, verbal evidence. In this case we had a bad guy pull a suicide by cop, and the community should have been safer for it except some decided to lie for their own gain.

OregonPolitician on August 18, 2014 at 3:36 PM

The slave of HA is consistently a slave.

Schadenfreude on August 18, 2014 at 3:36 PM

Anyone else see the narrative changing, btw?

rogerb on August 18, 2014 at 3:27 PM

Like a clock. In 6 weeks no one will believe any of this actually happened because it isn’t on the news.

One thing we can count on: The instant an incontrovertible fact comes out that disproves any theory other than this being a “justified” shooting, it will disappear off the airwaves and intertubes. Ferguson can be burned to the ground after that, and we’ll never hear about it.

Of course, the flip side is if that incontrovertible fact shows the police officer is a lying, racist turd, then Ferguson will burn to the ground, and it’ll be broadcast live with Sense-O-Round technology.

BobMbx on August 18, 2014 at 3:41 PM

Said the person defending an officer’s decision to summarily execute a a suspect before their day in court because, apparently, they weren’t able to do the job of apprehending him. On a fundamental basis, our police force should be manned with people who don’t have to kill suspects because they can’t apprehend them. If you cannot apprehend the suspect without killing them, then you need to get stronger, get faster, get better trained, get back up. Whatever it is.

libfreeordie on August 18, 2014 at 3:13 PM

You don’t care about due process, or justice. You want to believe the worst because the worst is the only thing that supports your dysfunctional worldview. Facts are slowly coming to light and the things you want to most believe about all of this are being proven to be false, like Brown being shot through the hands, and his hands ever being up. But you don’t care. You will never allow facts to interfere with your desire for this to be a cold blooded execution. As I pointed out to Ed earlier the facts from the second autopsy will just simply be ignored by people like you. All shots were to the front, and his arms were down, yet you’ll still assume the worst because the worst is the only thing that soothes your racism.

If you cannot apprehend the suspect without killing them, then you need to get stronger, get faster, get better trained, get back up. Whatever it is.

Leftist stupidity through and through. This falls into the same category as ‘shooting to injure’. Deadly force is justified when under attack whether you like it or not. The only thing not known at this time is if Wilson was actually under attack.

Don’t you ever tire of being a dumb a$$? Perhaps your dumb a$$ery from almost one year ago might promote some humility?

Here’s a simple question for you. Which of the founding fathers did not subscribe to the communitarian ethos Calhoun deploys to rationalize slavery? *sets sundial*

libfreeordie on August 21, 2013 at 9:30 AM

None. They weren’t nascent Commies like John C. Calhoun, and full blown Commies like you. Don’t you think you need to provide some proof for such a ridiculous smear there Mr. Calhoun? You’re a history perfesser, right?

NotCoach on August 21, 2013 at 9:36 AM

Oh dear God….hold on, give me 10 minutes.

libfreeordie on August 21, 2013 at 9:45 AM

NotCoach on August 18, 2014 at 3:45 PM

And apparently deserves summary execution?

When did conservatives forget that its the police’s obligation to deliver suspects to the court’s for due process. Not to summarily execute before trial. It’s one of the cornerstones of our democracy. Clearly, some of you believe that it’s not meant to be extended to black citizens.

libfreeordie on August 18, 2014 at 3:05 PM

All this time Nancy Grace has been posting as livelikeaslave.

UnstChem on August 18, 2014 at 3:53 PM

Anyone ever hear of this organization?

United States Institute of Peace

Is there a government agency that is more of a failure than this one?

Vision
A world without violent conflict.

Mission
To prevent, mitigate and resolve violent conflicts around the world by engaging directly in conflict zones and providing analysis, education and resources to those working for peace.

Kum Bay Yah

BobMbx on August 18, 2014 at 3:58 PM

Another thing, and I don’t know the law of this, what if the officer had let him get away and he had later taken hostages, hurt someone else? The guy was crazy, either naturally or from drugs, he was escalating violence. If he’s capable of trying to get a cop’s arm what else is he capable of doing to escape capture? Would libfree and Steyn be saying there was a problem if he had got away, taken hostages and killed a child? (in the district probably a black kid, they’d be saying the cops didn’t care about black kids).

Esperanza on August 18, 2014 at 4:05 PM

libfreeordie on August 18, 2014 at 3:13 PM

You left out:
-The officer claims Brown (290pds had just hit officer in the face) was charging him.
-There is forensics that fits the officer’s account.
-There is an accidental witness that supports the officer’s account.
-THere is a crazy robbery caught on tape that lends credence to the officer’s claim that he was attacked.
+THere is a witness that was involved in the robbery who is supporting Brown.
- But His statements on the night of the shooting contradict the autopsy. – Also, he failed to mention the robbery(oops) in his retelling.
+ THere is a twitter thread that supports your imagined scenario.
That’s 2 for you and 5 against.

You need some better evidence before you come swishing through these threads, hands waving with your idle gossip.

NOW LIB, tell me seriously, how the h*ck are you so confident that this cop “executed” Brown?

BoxHead1 on August 18, 2014 at 4:10 PM

The use of a taser doesn’t mean much to me. First, not everyone is incapacitated by a taser. It wasn’t long ago that a prisoner being transferred was tasered twice to little effect and was finally shot. Ineffectual tasering happens with some frequency. Second, tasering has a fairly close-in use usually to control an uncooperative arrestee. Third, in this case, it was reported there was an initial struggle for the officer’s weapon in or around the car before Brown took off. If Brown then turned to rush the officer, the officer would have little time to react. Plus he may have already indicated he would do harm to the officer by attempting to take his weapon. The guy was also huge and the officer would have lost any physical one-on-one confrontation. A person can cover 21 feet in 1.5 seconds and faster while on the run. There would have been no chance to really use a taser if Brown was 30 feet away and then rushed the policeman.

Laddy on August 18, 2014 at 4:12 PM

Said the person defending an officer’s decision to summarily execute a a suspect before their day in court because, apparently, they weren’t able to do the job of apprehending him.

OMG you are either dense as a Depleted Uranium round, or just ignorant.

Subject was killed in a shooting. His death is NOT in dispute..saying he was executed is a “dog whistle” of the lowest order. A court and jury will decide if the officer killed him was justified or not.

On a fundamental basis, our police force should be manned with people who don’t have to kill suspects because they can’t apprehend them.

You obviously never been in a fight for your life, or in (thankfully) involved in same. If you did you wouldn’t sit there spouting such nonsense. Not every fight goes the way you expect, and you have ZERO evidence other than your own personal prejudices to ascertain if this officer was doing anything such as stalking and killing WITH MALICE, Brown.

Could Brown have surrendered? Yes he COULD have, and if so, the FINAL autopsy report will show that the subject had up and close fatal wounds to his person…OTOH It can corroborate that he was in a CQ fight with the officer before being hit. You don’t know, and for now, until proven otherwise, you should leave it at that

At best, the statements (some from those Homeboys videotaping and viewing) suggests that after struggling with the officer BROWN broke contact, then came BACK at the officer…so in THAT light, Brown initiated 2 attacks with the result of him being fatally shot.

If you cannot apprehend the suspect without killing them, then you need to get stronger, get faster, get better trained, get back up. Whatever it is. Execution is not acceptable, even if Mike Brown is guilty of the alleged theft.

libfreeordie on August 18, 2014 at 3:13 PM

The theft is NOT on the table other than to give a possible motive on WHY the fight was started.

Look, in the REAL adult world, even the best trained people will make mistakes that aren’t in the manuals…that’s why there’s leeway given in assessing such incidents…there are some variables that are too wide to ponder…

Did drugs cause him to react this way? Was Wilson a closest serial killer? ANYTHING is POSSIBLE, but only an investigation will rule out everything except what happened.

In the meantime, using words like “executed” et al and your Playground mentality that EVERY fight should be fair, isn’t BLEEPING real. Grow the hell up and either get out there and experience the reality or STFD & STFU.

BlaxPac on August 18, 2014 at 4:21 PM

NOW LIB, tell me seriously, how the h*ck are you so confident that this cop “executed” Brown?

BoxHead1 on August 18, 2014 at 4:10 PM

livelikeaslave was shadowing Brown with a camera when it all went down and refuses to go to the police. Coward!

UnstChem on August 18, 2014 at 4:31 PM

If you cannot apprehend the suspect without killing them, then you need to get stronger, get faster, get better trained, get back up. Whatever it is. Execution is not acceptable, even if Mike Brown is guilty of the alleged theft.

libfreeordie on August 18, 2014 at 3:13 PM

Maybe little Mikey shouldn’t have brought fists to a gun fight. You resist arrest, try to gain control of a cop’s gun and execute him with it…you run the risk of getting shot. Pretty simple concept. Oh and maybe you shouldn’t be stealing stuff.

And LOL at the execution meme..you clowns really are running out of narratives aren’t you?

HumpBot Salvation on August 18, 2014 at 4:50 PM

Hotair has gone full-liberal. THIS is why you never take chances with a thug.

abobo on August 18, 2014 at 5:16 PM

I wanted to highlight this because I still can’t believe that Steyn couldn’t discern this distinction. Who here knows and loves someone who shoves clerks around and robs from stores and then skips down the street like it’s all in a days work? Steyn doesn’t. Steyn would have sht his pants if he was that clerk. Just a kid shoplifting = right/ Maybe his own liberal kids or spouse muddied his mind on this. It is a bizzaro column.

BoxHead1 on August 18, 2014 at 2:23 PM

Mark Steyn – never has someone so smart gone so stupid so bad.

VorDaj on August 18, 2014 at 6:12 PM

“[W]hether or not the fatal shooting of Mr Brown is a crime, it’s certainly a mistake. When an unarmed shoplifter* in T-shirt and shorts with a five-buck cigar box in one hand has to be shot dead, you’re doing it wrong.”

Not if he is assaulting a police officer. Especially if he outweighs said police officer by a hundred pounds or so.

Count to 10 on August 18, 2014 at 6:40 PM

And LOL at the execution meme..you clowns really are running out of narratives aren’t you?

HumpBot Salvation on August 18, 2014 at 4:50 PM

The claimed the same thing with Zimmerman and Martin, compete with images of a small child on his knees being executed. They feel too empowered by the image to give it up for reality.

Count to 10 on August 18, 2014 at 6:44 PM

LA Deputy in critical condition from a beating by an unarmed suspect.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-deputy-lakewood-mall-20140817-story.html

This is why Cops do not get into a fist sight with a suspect who is bigger and stronger than they are. With all due respect to Mark and Allah, of course…

CalFed on August 18, 2014 at 9:19 PM

If you cannot apprehend the suspect without killing them, then you need to get stronger, get faster, get better trained, get back up. Whatever it is. Execution is not acceptable, even if Mike Brown is guilty of the alleged theft.

libfreeordie on August 18, 2014 at 3:13 PM

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You may have just out-done yourself (and that’s quite a feat) for a new “most sorry-assed comment you have ever made.”
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IF … any suspect initiates violent physical force with a law enforcement officer, then anything resembling “diplomatic tact” is OUT-THE-WINDOW . . . . . period.

If ANY disarmed suspect who has initiated VIOLENT PHYSICAL FORCE … with a law enforcement officer, gets KILLED by ANY physical force (includes gun fire) used in reciprocation by the police officer, then the death is disqualified as being an “execution.”

listens2glenn on August 18, 2014 at 11:30 PM

The four shots to Brown’s arm indicated the officer pulled his shots to the left because of his jerking the trigger or by not having his finger tip on the trigger in a proper manner. This is very understandable due to the threat of bodily harm and not having more time to fire as trained. His shots were well placed considering the rushing person rapidly approaching him. I can not begin to imagine the fear the officer faced and still be able to fire and stop the bumrushing giant! It definitely indicates a hurried and desperate shooting. The last two shots show a more professional attempt at stopping the possible attacker. The target was also a lot closer. It is amazing that the officer fired six shots and all six hit the target. If a three hundred pound six foot five inches giant is ” bumrushing” me I would take this as a deadly threat! I have no way of ascertaining if Brown was uttering threading words or did not say anything.
It is my understanding that one fires three shots when in fear of a life threatening danger. The first two are fired at center mass and the third at the head. The officer fired four shots hurried aimed at center mass. He pulled to the left with these shots that hit Brown’s arm. The huge hulk was still charging and the officer fired the last two shots aimed for the head. The officer shots were fired as he was trained. I seriously doubt that he even knew how many times he shot. He shot until the threat was eliminated. One has to understand these six shots were fired within a very few seconds possibly well under FIVE SECONDS! One does not shoot, stop to see what’s happens next, and then shoot again. One shoots until the danger is eliminated. In this case it took six shots to end the threat.
I know the officer is just as upset as the family is. He never started this duty day or any other duty day intending to shoot anyone. I pray that GOD helps the officer and Brown’s family in their time of grief.
People must tell the truth and stop inciting violence.

harvey1 on August 19, 2014 at 11:53 AM

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