Pew poll: 65% of blacks say police response in Ferguson has gone too far — versus 33% of whites

posted at 8:01 pm on August 18, 2014 by Allahpundit

Blacks split 65/20 while whites split 33/32, with fully 35 percent of whites saying they don’t know. That’s another measure of the racial divide on Ferguson, how many people from each race are paying attention to what’s happening in Ferguson: 54 percent of blacks say they’re following the story very closely versus 25 percent of whites. Meanwhile, 80 percent of blacks say the Brown shooting raises important issues about race while just 37 percent of whites agree. (Forty-seven percent of whites think race is getting more attention than it deserves.) Sometimes I can’t shake the feeling that Hopenchange did not, in fact, usher in a new post-racial dawn in America.

Believe it or not, the “police use of force” question isn’t the one with the starkest racial divide. Try this on for size:

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That’s quite a gap to bridge, but it explains why Obama and Holder have the FBI in Ferguson investigating, why they’re ordering a third, DOJ-run autopsy of Brown’s body, and why Holder himself now feels obliged to drop in. They’re going to do what they can to make black voters believe that someone they trust is conducting a serious inquiry, even if they think St. Louis County isn’t. Maybe Holder will end up prosecuting Darren Wilson for civil-rights violations if he’s acquitted in state court, a la the LAPD officers after the Rodney King beating 20+ years ago. Or maybe not: Holder tried to placate lefties last year by promising to look into civil-rights violations possibly committed by George Zimmerman against Trayvon Martin and then quietly let that slide down the memory hole as people moved on. They can worry about Wilson later. Right now, with riots having already taken place and the National Guard being called out, they’re going to do what they can to appease skeptics of the process to keep a lid on things.

Will a federal investigation stop the looting, though? Chris Hayes was in Ferguson last night:

The talking point du jour about the “security problem,” i.e. looters, is that they don’t represent most protesters and might not even be residents of Ferguson themselves. They’re opportunists, allegedly using the demonstrations over the shooting as a pretext to ransack local businesses. Hayes is saying, I guess, that the protests will go on until Wilson is charged, which means the looters will go on having crowds to hide in, but his comment seems to imply more than that, as if the violence is itself is best understood as a reaction to the supposed injustice of Wilson not being charged. Which is it, then? Violence as opportunism or violence against injustice?

Via Tim Cavanaugh, here’s Don Lemon offering his own theory about that. Money quote: “People have to stop making excuses for the people who are doing bad things by saying ‘I understand these people are frustrated. I was understanding of that in the beginning, although I did not condone the violence . . . But now it is just stupidity and it’s not helping anything.”


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That’s a keeper, David! :-D

Newtie and the Beauty on August 18, 2014 at 10:28 PM

Count me among those who think the police has not gone far enough.

Tired of the silky gloves and sensitivity, time to really crack down on these looting thugs.

Norwegian on August 18, 2014 at 10:33 PM

Preezy Obysmal says that he will be keeping an eye on the National Guard, but he makes no such claim of keeping an eye on the New Black Panthers and Nation of Islam agitators.

onlineanalyst on August 18, 2014 at 10:39 PM

A cop who over-reacts and kills a bug dumb kid (petty thief or not) is a blot on any department.

A Taser would have done the job and prevented chaos.

Lethal force is too quickly chosen by some in blue.

And endangers us all.

profitsbeard on August 18, 2014 at 8:26 PM

Nonsense. We don’t know if Ferguson carries Tasers.

If they do, Tasers have to be aimed as carefully as a gun and they are one-shot devices, you miss and the device becomes useless except as a contact-only sparker. Typical maximum range of a Taser is only 15 feet.

There are plenty of cases where the attacker pulls out the barbs and continues the attack, if they are big enough and can tolerate it.

If the officer misses he has to drop the Taser and go for his gun.

All this time the guy that outweighs him by 100lb and 4″ in height is charging him from twenty feet away. A normal person can close that distance in a few seconds.

slickwillie2001 on August 18, 2014 at 10:42 PM

Preezy Obysmal says that he will be keeping an eye on the National Guard, but he makes no such claim of keeping an eye on the New Black Panthers and Nation of Islam agitators.
onlineanalyst on August 18, 2014 at 10:39 PM

Dey be down wid da schtruggle…

Newtie and the Beauty on August 18, 2014 at 10:42 PM

crrr6 on August 18, 2014 at 9:59 PM

The incident report that officer filed on the day of the killing has not been released, nor has the official autopsy report. Instead, we’ve seen selective leaking by the chief and the officer’s friend of information calculated to make the deceased look bad and the officer look justified. Other information which has been released, such as the autopsy conducted by the family, casts doubt on the story being put forth by the officer’s representatives. For example, if there was a struggle for the gun in the close confines of the vehicle and the gun was discharged, why was there no gunpowder residue anywhere on Brown’s body?

There are a lot of questions yet to be answered. I will wait until we see some actual evidence rather than self-serving statements of third parties before I make a final conclusion.

cam2 on August 18, 2014 at 11:17 PM

The incident report that officer filed on the day of the killing has not been released, nor has the official autopsy report. Instead, we’ve seen selective leaking by the chief and the officer’s friend of information calculated to make the deceased look bad and the officer look justified. Other information which has been released, such as the autopsy conducted by the family, casts doubt on the story being put forth by the officer’s representatives. For example, if there was a struggle for the gun in the close confines of the vehicle and the gun was discharged, why was there no gunpowder residue anywhere on Brown’s body?

There are a lot of questions yet to be answered. I will wait until we see some actual evidence rather than self-serving statements of third parties before I make a final conclusion.

cam2 on August 18, 2014 at 11:17 PM

More stupid from you. There likely IS gunpowder residue on Brown’s clothing; Baden was allowed to do an autopsy on the body but they did not hand over his clothing. The clothing is being analyzed by the official investigation which has not been released yet.

There was likely no gunpowder residue on Brown’s exposed skin because the inside shot missed him entirely, and the outside shots were too far away.

Try and keep yourself better informed if your are going to do this.

slickwillie2001 on August 18, 2014 at 11:21 PM

Try and keep yourself better informed if your are going to do this.

slickwillie2001 on August 18, 2014 at 11:21 PM

Hate to break it to you, but we’re equally ill-informed, since the police have released neither the officer’s official account of what happened nor the autopsy. So your speculation that there may be gunpowder residue on Brown’s clothing is just that: speculation.

cam2 on August 18, 2014 at 11:48 PM

Hate to break it to you, but we’re equally ill-informed, since the police have released neither the officer’s official account of what happened nor the autopsy. So your speculation that there may be gunpowder residue on Brown’s clothing is just that: speculation.

cam2 on August 18, 2014 at 11:48 PM

That’s why I said “There likely IS gunpowder residue on Brown’s clothing”, dumbass.

Do you understand that when I said “likely”, I was acknowledging that I was speculating?

slickwillie2001 on August 18, 2014 at 11:53 PM

Do you understand that when I said “likely”, I was acknowledging that I was speculating?

slickwillie2001 on August 18, 2014 at 11:53 PM

Yes, I am familiar with the word “likely.” I was pointing out that both of us are speculating. Dumbass.

cam2 on August 19, 2014 at 12:24 AM

A cop who over-reacts and kills a bug dumb kid (petty thief or not) is a blot on any department.

A Taser would have done the job and prevented chaos.

Lethal force is too quickly chosen by some in blue.

And endangers us all.

profitsbeard on August 18, 2014 at 8:26 PM

18 years old is an adult, and would be charged as such and 6’3″ and about 300 pounds is clearly not a “kid”.
I’m not sure about “dumb” but I can see “violent”.

Assault or any violence in the commission of a robbery in Missouri is a Class B FELONY, Robbery in the 2nd degree, under statute 569.030; not petty theft.

So lets try that again.

“A cop who shoots a violent felon fleeing the scene of a crime”… oh, not nearly as persuasive.

Now I see why you changed his age, size, and the crime he committed. However changing the facts to make a more persuasive argument doesn’t always persuade as you’d hope.

It does persuade me that you think you don’t have a case under the facts as they really are, but if you’d like to try that again with “adult male violent felon” feel free.

gekkobear on August 19, 2014 at 12:35 PM

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