Nixon calls out National Guard to Ferguson

posted at 8:01 am on August 18, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

Get ready for a real militarization in Ferguson, Missouri. After two nights of unrest following a softer approach by the state highway patrol, Governor Jay Nixon has ordered the National Guard to deploy in Ferguson to enforce a midnight curfew. Nixon blamed outside agitators for the continuing confrontations in the street after the shooting of Michael Brown, an unarmed black teenager suspected of taking part in a strongarm robbery just before the fatal confrontation:

Missouri’s governor said on Monday he would send the National Guard into the St. Louis suburb of Ferguson to restore calm after authorities forcibly dispersed a crowd protesting last week’s fatal shooting of an unarmed black teen by police.

Gov. Jay Nixon signed an executive order deploying the U.S. state militia, saying demonstrators had thrown Molotov cocktails and shot at police as well as a civilian, a description of the night’s events diverging widely from some eyewitness accounts.

“Tonight, a day of hope, prayers, and peaceful protests was marred by the violent criminal acts of an organized and growing number of individuals, many from outside the community and state, whose actions are putting the residents and businesses of Ferguson at risk,” Nixon said in a statement on his website.

The commander of the state highway patrol, Captain Ron Johnson, went from hero to enemy in a few short hours after ordering action against would-be rioters before the curfew went into effect:

In a local church, people gave a standing ovation on Sunday afternoon to Capt. Ron Johnson of the Missouri Highway Patrol.

But hours later on W. Florissant Ave. — near where Officer Darren Wilson killed unarmed Michael Brown with six bullets — Johnson was seen as the enemy. …

The people of Ferguson rose to their feet and exploded in applause. They needed a hero.

But by 11 p.m., and a mile away, a small band of protesters again clashed with Capt. Johnson’s highway cops.

Police claim they were assaulted. They responded with tear gas.

Johnson explained why police, after falling back the previous night and allowing rioters to go on a rampage, responded with teargas and a more aggressive strategy last night and this morning. In part, Johnson insisted, it had to do with police forces defending themselves from attack by Molotov cocktails, as well as protecting the public and property:

Sunday night marked the second evening of a state-imposed midnight-5 a.m. curfew Nixon put in place, a decision he said was necessary to prevent looters from doing more damage but has been criticized by many in the Ferguson community and elsewhere.

Police officials have acknowledged that they fired several smoke canisters and at least one tear gas canister Sunday, and many of the hundreds of officers in Ferguson Sunday evening appeared in riot gear. Protesters said the police acted without being provoked, while the police reported that they were responding to gunfire and Molotov cocktails thrown by members of the crowd. Missouri State Highway Patrol Capt. Ron Johnson said one protester shot another and that the victim was listed in critical condition early Monday morning. He also said he was forced to “elevate the level” of police response after some crowd members threw bottles at officers.

In other Ferguson news, the Brown family released the results of a private autopsy conducted on a pro bono basis by Michael Baden. Brown was hit by at least six bullets in the shooting — but none of the bullets struck him from behind, as his friend claimed:

“There were at least six entry wounds, there might have been seven, but we’ll have to correlate that with what was found in the first autopsy,” Baden, who retired from the New York state police in 2011, told the Wall Street Journal.

He cautioned against drawing conclusions from the autopsy. “Right now there is too little information to forensically reconstruct the shooting,” he told the Times, but added: “In my capacity as the forensic examiner for the New York State Police, I would say, ‘You’re not supposed to shoot so many times.’”

He also told the Times about Brown’s head wounds.

“This one here looks like his head was bent downward,” he said, indicating a wound at the top of Brown’s head. “It can be because he’s giving up, or because he’s charging forward at the officer.”

Baden, 80, a veteran medical examiner who has performed 20,000 autopsies, reviewed the autopsies of John F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King Jr. and hosted the HBO show “Autopsy,” said the bullets hit Brown in the front, but the absence of gunpowder showed they were not fired at close range. Baden also said nothing indicated Brown had been in an altercation. This seems to contradict the statements of Brown’s friend, Dorian Johnson, who said the officer now identified as Darren Wilson grabbed Brown’s neck with one hand and shot him with the other.

So do the direction of the bullets. Johnson had claimed that Brown was running away with his hands up when he was shot. The hands-up posture has been adopted by protestors in Ferguson as a rebuke to the police for the shooting. However, the autopsy finding about the shot to the arm appears to contradict that part of Johnson’s statement as well:

The teen was struck once in the top of head, once in the forehead and four times in the arm, Dr. Baden said. Some of the shots to his arm went through the limb and entered his chest and lungs, according to Dr. Baden, who served for 25 years in the medical examiner’s office in New York City and another 25 years with the New York State Police before entering private practice.

If Brown’s arms were up when he was shot, then Johnson’s claim seems difficult to reconcile with this evidence, although Brown’s arms could have come down between shots, too. The lack of gunpowder suggests that Brown was at least some distance from Officer Darren Wilson when he was shot, though, which intensifies the question about the use of lethal force, given that Brown was unarmed at the time.

However, at least in Baden’s autopsy — performed on behalf of Brown’s family — Wilson didn’t shoot Brown as he fled, as Johnson claimed. That claim played a large part in stoking the rage that led to the riots. Perhaps the Department of Justice thinks it will find something more than Baden did in his autopsy, but Baden’s report and its provenance will be difficult to refute. Maybe the National Guard can calm the situation long enough for everyone to catch their breath and catch up to the facts in the case.


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When you need military gear, you need people with military training to use it.

ConstantineXI on August 18, 2014 at 8:06 AM

Oh man, I read this headline and the music just flooded back into my head:

“Tin soldiers and Nixon coming. We’re finally on our own.”

TKindred on August 18, 2014 at 8:07 AM

Somuch for all that ” TALKING ” crap huh?

TX-96 on August 18, 2014 at 8:08 AM

It’s mourning in America
#Ferguson

Ned Pepper on August 18, 2014 at 8:08 AM

Celebrate diversity!

Galtian on August 18, 2014 at 8:08 AM

*sips coffee*

BigGator5 on August 18, 2014 at 8:09 AM

Holder has ordered as many more autopsies as it takes until Whitey is found guilty of murdering one of Holder’s people.

Bishop on August 18, 2014 at 8:09 AM

So, can Dorian Johnson be charged with felonies for his lies that has helped set off all these rampages?

Bitter Clinger on August 18, 2014 at 8:10 AM

Johnson explained why police, after falling back the previous night and allowing rioters to go on a rampage, responded with teargas and a more aggressive strategy last night and this morning. In part, Johnson insisted, it had to do with police forces defending themselves from attack by Molotov cocktails, as well as protecting the public and property:

Yup. Confront rioters with worse equipment and weaker force and what you’ll get is less effective law enforcement and emboldened criminals.

However, at least in Baden’s autopsy — performed on behalf of Brown’s family — Wilson didn’t shoot Brown as he fled, as Johnson claimed. That claim played a large part in stoking the rage that led to the riots.

I really doubt that. That claim didn’t stoke rage leading to the riots — it served as an illegitimate excuse to unleash ill-founded, pre-existing rage and covetousness.

Stoic Patriot on August 18, 2014 at 8:10 AM

Obama/Holder: “Dr Baden has acted STUPIDLY”

Who’s up for a Molotov cocktail summit?

LordMaximus on August 18, 2014 at 8:11 AM

Oh man, I read this headline and the music just flooded back into my head:

“Tin soldiers and Nixon coming. We’re finally on our own.”

TKindred on August 18, 2014 at 8:07 AM

I trust the National Guard a lot more than I do ill trained city police forces to carry M16′s

ConstantineXI on August 18, 2014 at 8:11 AM

The commander of the state highway patrol, Captain Ron Johnson, went from hero to enemy in a few short hours

The heart bleeds….

Bitter Clinger on August 18, 2014 at 8:11 AM

I trust the National Guard a lot more than I do ill trained city police forces to carry M16′s

ConstantineXI on August 18, 2014 at 8:11 AM

Of course, the Left’s refrain to that will always be “Kent State”.

Bitter Clinger on August 18, 2014 at 8:12 AM

I guess Officer Johnson is a professional and not a race pimp, maybe he could deputize Sharpton and ol’ Al can run the show.

Bishop on August 18, 2014 at 8:13 AM

When you need military gear, you need people with military training to use it.

ConstantineXI on August 18, 2014 at 8:06 AM

Yes, at least 6 weeks of basic training required to don camoflage pants.

katy the mean old lady on August 18, 2014 at 8:13 AM

About time this has gone on long enough.

gophergirl on August 18, 2014 at 8:14 AM

Oh man, I read this headline and the music just flooded back into my head:

“Tin soldiers and Nixon coming. We’re finally on our own.”

TKindred on August 18, 2014 at 8:07 AM

That is funny and, considering Jay Nixon is a Dem, a bit ironic.

Bitter Clinger on August 18, 2014 at 8:16 AM

They did loot the Papa John’s for the raw dough and meat.If they can get the ovens out of the place their set.

docflash on August 18, 2014 at 8:16 AM

It’s mourning in America
#Ferguson

Ned Pepper on August 18, 2014 at 8:08 AM

Crocodile tears and looting in America.

The only people in mourning are his family.

mudskipper on August 18, 2014 at 8:16 AM

I demand a battalion from the Nation of Islam.

katy the mean old lady on August 18, 2014 at 8:16 AM

It’s mourning in America
#allmynarrativeshavecrumbledtothegroundlikethethugmikey

Ned Pepper on August 18, 2014 at 8:08 AM

HumpBot Salvation on August 18, 2014 at 8:17 AM

The tox report should be fun.

katy the mean old lady on August 18, 2014 at 8:18 AM

Well anybody get killed in Ferguson overnight? I saw that the National Guard is coming in – about time.

gophergirl on August 18, 2014 at 7:52 AM

2 dead and 6 wounded – on the South Side of Chicago.

Obama and the media don’t care.

kcewa on August 18, 2014 at 8:18 AM

About time they called in the Guard. I was in LA for the Rodney King debacle, right in the thick of it; it wasn’t until the National Guard showed up that that mess stopped.

datripp on August 18, 2014 at 8:18 AM

‘You’re not supposed to shoot so many times.’”

Easy for Baden to say, when he wasn’t the one being charged by a 300 pound, 6’4 guy who had just punched him in the face and tried to take his gun from him a few seconds earlier.

When you’re shooting at a target that is moving rapidly towards you with the likely intent to kill you, you fire as many shots as you can.

AZCoyote on August 18, 2014 at 8:18 AM

Brown was hit by at least six bullets in the shooting — but none of the bullets struck him from behind, as his friend claimed:

What a shock. The original “story” is continuing to collapse, just as I expected it to. This is rapidly turning into another Duke Lacrosse/George Zimmerman case. How many more “Alfred Dreyfus” trials are we going to have to put up with?

I’m more irritated by the rush of all the main writers on the site to condemn the police and support the looters/rioters. Maybe next time you guys will wait for the facts to come out.

Doomberg on August 18, 2014 at 8:19 AM

It’s clear why the DoJ is insisting on a third autopsy. They need one that fits the narrative that this was all about a bad racist cop. That’s why they tried squelching the video of their martyr stealing just before he was killed. Now, if there is foresnic evidence that Brown wasn’t shot while trying to give up…….

Well, this hasn’t been about Brown for some time but the filthy animals looting and rioting still need a reason.

Happy Nomad on August 18, 2014 at 8:20 AM

It’s mourning in America
#Ferguson

Ned Pepper on August 18, 2014 at 8:08 AM

Agreed. The community that continues to riot shows how idiotic and depraves some portions of America are.

the people who continue to stoke the fires of racial hatred without evidence or facts, and indeed in contradiction of the facts we do have, show how must hatred certain segments of society have for themselves and their country.

It is sad that some people refuse to act like adults or act rationally.

Already, 90% of what the racialists claim happened to Mike Brown has been disproven.

– He was not some pure, innocent victim – he was a 6′ 4″, 300lb man who had just strong-arm robbed a store.

– He was not shot in the back.

– He did not have his hands up in surrender.

Now, it may be that the shooting was unjustified and the cop is in the wrong. But, the idea that some white cop just, out of the blue, decided to execute a black man is ludicrous and not substantiated by any of the evidence we have thus far.

Yet, rather than calm down and agree to wait for all the facts, you have already come to a conclusion. And you want to pretend to a be an honest, reasonable person?

Monkeytoe on August 18, 2014 at 8:20 AM

Have the Rams cut Michael Sam yet?

Great time to do it, I think.

BuckeyeSam on August 18, 2014 at 8:21 AM

You know it’s bad when the Kurds are offering to provide peacekeepers.

Bishop on August 18, 2014 at 8:22 AM

I’m more irritated by the rush of all the main writers on the site to condemn the police and support the looters/rioters. Maybe next time you guys will wait for the facts to come out.

Doomberg on August 18, 2014 at 8:19 AM

It is still hard to reconcile the fact that Brown, apparantly, wasn’t armed and the fact he was struck by six if not seven bullets.

Happy Nomad on August 18, 2014 at 8:22 AM

Maybe the National Guard can calm the situation long enough for everyone to catch their breath and catch up to the facts in the case.

“Facts” haven’t been a factor for the rioters and pillagers yet – and they won’t be a factor in the future. Justice equals vengence, period. Facts are for law abiders and truth seekers.

Oopsdaisy on August 18, 2014 at 8:22 AM

I’m more irritated by the rush of all the main writers on the site to condemn the police and support the looters/rioters. Maybe next time you guys will wait for the facts to come out.

Doomberg on August 18, 2014 at 8:19 AM

I don’t think anyone supports the looters/rioters.

You can be upset with police behavior in detaining journalists for apparently no reason and not be in favor of looters/rioters.

You can be upset generally with the militarization of police in this country and not support looters/rioters.

I doubt anyone here “supports” the looters and rioters.

Monkeytoe on August 18, 2014 at 8:22 AM

The lack of gunpowder suggests that Brown was at least some distance from Officer Darren Wilson when he was shot, though, which intensifies the question about the use of lethal force, given that Brown was unarmed at the time.

This ME didn’t have access to Brown’s clothes, which could have gunpowder residue on them.

Bitter Clinger on August 18, 2014 at 8:23 AM

About time they called in the Guard. I was in LA for the Rodney King debacle, right in the thick of it; it wasn’t until the National Guard showed up that that mess stopped.

datripp on August 18, 2014 at 8:18 AM

You mean Maxine Waters chanting “no justice, no peace” didn’t calm the waters?

Happy Nomad on August 18, 2014 at 8:24 AM

It’s mourning in America
#Ferguson

Ned Pepper on August 18, 2014 at 8:08 AM

Honey, give it up.

Johnson lied about the whole scene to save his butt.

Brown, probably high, made a choice to rob a store. When he ran into the cops, he made the choice to charge the cop (based on the location of the bullets, all the stories about the surrenduring and the hands up and the running away and being shot in the back were total fabrications). He paid with his life.

Lessons?

Don’t do drugs.
Don’t steal.
Don’t assault armed police officers.

Also, lying about circumstances of shooting can cause riots.

Oh and linking this to Trayvon-definitely high-also attacked someone who was armed, also paid with his life, doesn’t support the poor, innocent gentle giant narrative.

talkingpoints on August 18, 2014 at 8:25 AM

SSDD

Idont see anything changing with the guard…..the people wont be happy

cmsinaz on August 18, 2014 at 8:25 AM

Michael Brown, an unarmed black teenager suspected of taking part in a strongarm robbery

The man was 6’4″ and weighed 290 pounds. “Teenager” Uh huh.

He was a thug.

Key West Reader on August 18, 2014 at 8:25 AM

Maybe the governor and the National Guard should tell the NBPP to hit the pike and stop acting as if their agitation is serving as “a better PO-lice force.” The NBPP goons are an outside bunch, stoking riotous conditions. They are inciting violence.

onlineanalyst on August 18, 2014 at 8:25 AM

“Autopsies” are the new “recounts”, just keep doing them until you get what you need.

Howcome on August 18, 2014 at 8:25 AM

It is still hard to reconcile the fact that Brown, apparantly, wasn’t armed and the fact he was struck by six if not seven bullets.

Happy Nomad on August 18, 2014 at 8:22 AM

I don’t know why the shooting started, so can’t say whether or not it is justified.

But, I don’t think you can make any determination based on the number of shots. Once someone determines they must shoot another person to protect themselves, they are generally not going to stop at one bullet and then re-check the situation.

The issue is why the first shot was fired. If that was justified, the fact that he kept pulling the trigger is probably irrelevant.

People always focus on the number of shots, as if that is the issue. But, are police trained to shoot once, and then check out what’s going on? Or, are they trained that once the decision to shoot is made, to fire a number of shots at the target to stop the target?

I believe it is the latter.

Monkeytoe on August 18, 2014 at 8:26 AM

Idont see anything changing with the guard…..the people wont be happy

cmsinaz on August 18, 2014 at 8:25 AM

I give about 2 sh!ts for their “happiness”.

katy the mean old lady on August 18, 2014 at 8:27 AM

Michael Brown, an unarmed black teenager suspected of taking part in a strongarm robbery

The man was 6’4″ and weighed 290 pounds. “Teenager” Uh huh.

He was a thug.

Key West Reader on August 18, 2014 at 8:25 AM

Also, it is no longer “suspected”. His friend/accomplice admitted it was them who committed the robbery and are on the video.

It is now a fact that he committed the robbery.

Monkeytoe on August 18, 2014 at 8:27 AM

It is still hard to reconcile the fact that Brown, apparantly, wasn’t armed and the fact he was struck by six if not seven bullets.

Happy Nomad on August 18, 2014 at 8:22 AM

Not really. Since those first shots kept hitting Brown in the arm, it is easily explains that Brown would have kept charging at Wilson until Wilson hit him in the head the first time and quickly fired again with the shot into the top of his head.

Bitter Clinger on August 18, 2014 at 8:27 AM

I doubt anyone here “supports” the looters and rioters.

Monkeytoe on August 18, 2014 at 8:22 AM

There has definitely been an anti-cop vibe on HA. Whether that translates into supporting the looters and rioters is another matter.

But one aspect that HA should make clear but has fallen woefully short is the suggestion that race was a factor. There has been a lot of innuendo (the Brown family says their precious snowflake was executed) but nobody can point to this situation and say that racism was part of the situation.

Happy Nomad on August 18, 2014 at 8:28 AM

You know it’s bad when the Kurds ISIS are offering to provide peacekeepers.

Bishop on August 18, 2014 at 8:22 AM

Only because you made me spit up my coffee.

BuckeyeSam on August 18, 2014 at 8:30 AM

Ask for 50 African American St Louis area cops to go undercover with the protesters and bring down the trouble makers. This should have been over in 2 days.

huckleberryfriend on August 18, 2014 at 8:30 AM

There has definitely been an anti-cop vibe on HA.

Happy Nomad on August 18, 2014 at 8:28 AM

Ya think?

katy the mean old lady on August 18, 2014 at 8:30 AM

But one aspect that HA should make clear but has fallen woefully short is the suggestion that race was a factor. There has been a lot of innuendo (the Brown family says their precious snowflake was executed) but nobody can point to this situation and say that racism was part of the situation.

Happy Nomad on August 18, 2014 at 8:28 AM

I don’t disagree that there is no evidence as yet to support the conclusion that race was a factor in the shooting.

I don’t know what HotAir can do about that?

Monkeytoe on August 18, 2014 at 8:30 AM

There has definitely been an anti-cop vibe on HA. Whether that translates into supporting the looters and rioters is another matter.

But one aspect that HA should make clear but has fallen woefully short is the suggestion that race was a factor. There has been a lot of innuendo (the Brown family says their precious snowflake was executed) but nobody can point to this situation and say that racism was part of the situation.

Happy Nomad on August 18, 2014 at 8:28 AM

For many, white cop/black perp is all that is needed to scream “racism”.

Bitter Clinger on August 18, 2014 at 8:31 AM

It is now a fact that he committed the robbery.

Monkeytoe on August 18, 2014 at 8:27 AM

So what, I need a new pair of shoes and some beef jerky. Social justice.

Bishop on August 18, 2014 at 8:31 AM

On the radio just now, “Another peaceful protest turned violent last night…”

Um… *shaking my head*

Fallon on August 18, 2014 at 8:32 AM

The man was 6’4″ and weighed 290 pounds. “Teenager” Uh huh.

He was a thug.

Key West Reader on August 18, 2014 at 8:25 AM

Mere moments until CNN / DNC starts referring to him as “the lovable moppet Michael Brown.”

viking01 on August 18, 2014 at 8:32 AM

The lack of gunpowder suggests that Brown was at least some distance from Officer Darren Wilson when he was shot, though, which intensifies the question about the use of lethal force, given that Brown was unarmed at the time.

Dr Baden, specifically, stated he could not make that determination because he was not given access to the decedent’s clothing.

Resist We Much on August 18, 2014 at 8:32 AM

an unarmed black teenager…

Not a teenager.

Stop perpetuating the media meme. http://ace.mu.nu/archives/351190.php

Bee on August 18, 2014 at 8:32 AM

You know it’s bad when Detroit is advertising in Ferguson:

“Come to Detroit for some peaceful relaxation, vacation packages available.”

Bishop on August 18, 2014 at 8:33 AM

When you need military gear, you need people with military training to use it.
ConstantineXI on August 18, 2014 at 8:06 AM

Yup.

whatcat on August 18, 2014 at 8:33 AM

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Tonight in #Ferguson, police are arresting/threatening reporters. Video on Livestream. But you go on back to watching Kardashians, America.
10:14 PM – 17 Aug 2014

Ned Pepper on August 17, 2014 at 11:27 PM

Considering the fact that some of those reporters cannot tell the difference between ear plugs and rubber bullets, perhaps, they should go back to watching the Kardashians.

Resist We Much on August 18, 2014 at 8:33 AM

Key West Reader on August 18, 2014 at 8:25 AM

Exactly.

Bee on August 18, 2014 at 8:33 AM

I demand a battalion from the Nation of Islam.

katy the mean old lady on August 18, 2014 at 8:16 AM

They’ve been on the ground for the past week or so…

Key West Reader on August 18, 2014 at 8:34 AM

***

But one aspect that HA should make clear but has fallen woefully short is the suggestion that race was a factor. There has been a lot of innuendo (the Brown family says their precious snowflake was executed) but nobody can point to this situation and say that racism was part of the situation.

Happy Nomad on August 18, 2014 at 8:28 AM

If this were a white kid with the same attitude of the kid shown on that tape and pulling the stunts with the officer, I’d be disappointed the officer didn’t take him down with one or two shots from the beginning.

Under the circumstances, there is no reason to be confronting cops in this manner. Put them in reasonable fear, they should put you down. With a kid this size, a cop doesn’t have to wait to be on his back with the suspect about ready to get his weapon.’

Who is the heck charges a cop?

BuckeyeSam on August 18, 2014 at 8:35 AM

an unarmed black teenager…

Not a teenager.

Stop perpetuating the media meme. http://ace.mu.nu/archives/351190.php

Bee on August 18, 2014 at 8:32 AM

It seems Ed would rather throw himself in as a “journalist” than a blogger these days.

Bitter Clinger on August 18, 2014 at 8:35 AM

It is still hard to reconcile the fact that Brown, apparantly, wasn’t armed and the fact he was struck by six if not seven bullets.

Happy Nomad on August 18, 2014 at 8:22 AM

After I saw this article, most of my doubt fell away that the shooting was anything other than self-defense.

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/08/168698-eyewitness-recalls-important-detail-background-video-mins-ferguson-shooting/

2 Then the next thing I know he doubled back toward him cus – the police had his gun drawn already on him –

[there is dispute here whether he says "doubled back" or "coming back."]
#1. Oh, the police got his gun
#2 The police kept dumpin on him, and I’m thinking the police kept missing – he like – be like – but he kept coming toward him

I don’t think anyone supports the looters/rioters.

You can be upset with police behavior in detaining journalists for apparently no reason and not be in favor of looters/rioters.

You can be upset generally with the militarization of police in this country and not support looters/rioters.

I doubt anyone here “supports” the looters and rioters.

Monkeytoe on August 18, 2014 at 8:22 AM

I agree that it’s fine to be upset with the police with arresting reporters, but Hot Air criticized the “militarized” response to the crisis when it’s become clear that such a response is badly needed and overdue.

I’m not sure how complaining the police are being too harsh on violent mobs of looters and rioters can be construed as anything other than supporting looters and rioters.

Doomberg on August 18, 2014 at 8:35 AM

Tonight in #Ferguson, police are arresting/threatening reporters. Video on Livestream. But you go on back to watching Kardashians, America.
10:14 PM – 17 Aug 2014

Ned Pepper on August 17, 2014 at 11:27 PM

You would think that one guy could repeat his famous phrase, “The police acted stupidly.”

Who was that guy again, I’m forgetting his name but supposedly his mere election was going to heal the violence and strife.

Bishop on August 18, 2014 at 8:35 AM

You know it’s bad when Detroit is advertising in Ferguson:

“Come to Detroit for some peaceful relaxation, vacation packages available.”

Bishop on August 18, 2014 at 8:33 AM

You should see the deal I got for a ski vacation in Afghanistan.

katy the mean old lady on August 18, 2014 at 8:35 AM

I demand a battalion from the Nation of Islam.

katy the mean old lady on August 18, 2014 at 8:16 AM

It’ll take ‘em a while to get to Ferg from the Mexican border crossing…

viking01 on August 18, 2014 at 8:36 AM

Hey, Neddie, I thought that you said the Gentle Giant had been shot in the back.

What happened?

Resist We Much on August 18, 2014 at 8:36 AM

And, don’t worry. Barry will be along pretty soon to throw water gasoline on this morning’s embers.

Fallon on August 18, 2014 at 8:36 AM

The narrative is in place. Facts don’t matter at this point.

Even if the rioting calms down, It’ll be back when the cop either isn’t charged or is acquitted. And it’s becoming clear that there is no case against him, so we have all that to look forward to. On top of that, the Injustice Department will abuse its authority and bring a bogus civil rights case against him for strictly political reasons, completing the cycle of idiocy and destruction.

forest on August 18, 2014 at 8:36 AM

I guess Officer Johnson is a professional and not a race pimp, maybe he could deputize Sharpton and ol’ Al can run the show.

Bishop on August 18, 2014 at 8:13 AM

He’s no professional. He essentially apologized for Officer Wilson’s conduct, and told the black crowd their rage was justified, and that he has his own droopy-pants black son at home so he knows how the Brown family feels. IOW, he condemned his own officer before the mob, without any trial and before the official police investigation had even concluded.

A competent professional would have told the crowd not to jump to conclusions before the facts are known. A competent professional would have reminded the mob that witness accounts are often wildly inaccurate. A competent professional would have defended his own officer, or at the very least reminded the crowd that cops have the same right to the presumption of innocence that criminal suspects do.

Johnson doesn’t need to deputize Sharpton; he’s already a mini Sharpton himself.

AZCoyote on August 18, 2014 at 8:37 AM

Brown was hit by at least six bullets in the shooting — but none of the bullets struck him from behind, as his friend claimed:

So another lie goes up in smoke, this time by an outside observer hired by the family to find any shred of possible civil rights violations. I read his statement and boy does he go way out on a limb in explaining how it still might be possible that Brown had been surrendering, surreal.

Johnnyreb on August 18, 2014 at 8:38 AM

Hey, Neddie, I thought that you said the Gentle Giant had been shot in the back.

What happened?

Resist We Much on August 18, 2014 at 8:36 AM

Nedster didn’t mean the back… back.

He meant the back of the back which is the front.

viking01 on August 18, 2014 at 8:38 AM

Someone go wake Aquateen.

katy the mean old lady on August 18, 2014 at 8:38 AM

7 Killed, 29 Wounded In Chicago…

No riot.

Resist We Much on August 18, 2014 at 8:40 AM

There has definitely been an anti-cop vibe on HA.

Happy Nomad on August 18, 2014 at 8:28 AM

I don’t agree with this. I think the vibe is anti-militarization of police. I am one of those who agrees that most law enforcement agencies have gone too far down the road of militarization.

But, I think part of the problem is that nobody has really defined what they mean by that.

Here is what I mean.

I don’t mean that police should not have riot gear, or SWAT teams, or training to handle riots or situations where the bad guys have big guns.

I mean that many law enforcement agencies have become to enamored with their toys, have trained up a little too much on military techniques, and are much too quick to break out the big guns and the aggressive, military style tactics for situations that don’t call for it.

That is what happens when you get big, expensive equipment and do a ton of training on it. You want to use it every chance you can.

And, I understand law enforcement’s perspective – the new equipment and tactics reduce the risk of harm to themselves, so they want to use it in every situation. So, why not throw a flash-bang grenade at every warrant search or warrant arrest? Why not respond to every call with a SWAT team? (this is a bit of hyperbole, but you get the point).

It’s a difficult issue and a fine line, and requires thinking and discretion by law enforcement agencies and politicians. But, I think the discussion should be had and people should be conscious of it. I think law enforcement should be more circumspect in breaking out the big guns and military tactics.

And, as far as equipment goes – there is something to be said for perception. Making their riot uniform look like military uniforms probably doesn’t help when the rioters already believe (incorrectly) that they are at war with the police. There really is no tactical need for the police to be wearing cammo and military style uniforms. that is purely, I think, a perception thing, but sometimes perception can mean a lot.

Now, does that mean that the police in Ferguson were wrong in how they responded to the riots – I don’t know, I don’t really have enough facts. I do think they were wrong in how they responded to the reporters they detained.

Monkeytoe on August 18, 2014 at 8:40 AM

It is still hard to reconcile the fact that Brown, apparantly, wasn’t armed and the fact he was struck by six if not seven bullets.

Happy Nomad on August 18, 2014 at 8:22 AM

You shoot until the threat has ended.

Basic armed defense 101.

Been there, done that.

cozmo on August 18, 2014 at 8:41 AM

Johnson doesn’t need to deputize Sharpton; he’s already a mini Sharpton himself.

AZCoyote on August 18, 2014 at 8:37 AM

Sadly, Captain Johnson has revealed himself to be the Jocelyn Elders of Highway Patrol.

viking01 on August 18, 2014 at 8:41 AM

Someone go wake Aquateen.

katy the mean old lady on August 18, 2014 at 8:38 AM

Yeah, I want to hear Aquanet Hunger Strike tell us the hippie slang term for National Guardsmen.

/notreally

CurtZHP on August 18, 2014 at 8:42 AM

AZCoyote on August 18, 2014 at 8:37 AM

Yeah…I scroooed up, went and read some of the QOTD from last night and found out all that info, but only after I had already posted here.

In penance I will use milk instead of the usual scotch on my Wheaties this morning.

Bishop on August 18, 2014 at 8:42 AM

It is still hard to reconcile the fact that Brown, apparantly, wasn’t armed and the fact he was struck by six if not seven bullets.

Happy Nomad on August 18, 2014 at 8:22 AM

Not at all.

Nighttime, a violent confrontation with a 6’4″ 300lb man who had just strong-arm robbed a store (That means his weapons were his fists and intimidating physique) and was likely charging the cop. In an Adrenaline-filled situation like that one or two bullets isn’t going to take him down. Especially if the cop’s aim is a bit off, as the Autopsy showed (not many rounds near “center mass” in that image).

In those kinds of situations, it usually takes 4-5 or more shots, depending on the caliber of the round and the type of bullets. Do we even know what kind of weapon the officer was using? If it was a regular 9mm semi-auto, then there wouldn’t be much stopping power there, and multiple bullets would have been necessary to bring him down. Frankly, were I the cop in that situation, I would have emptied the gun into him. But then, I’m not a cop.

wearyman on August 18, 2014 at 8:43 AM

Nedster didn’t mean the back… back.

He meant the back of the back which is the front.

viking01 on August 18, 2014 at 8:38 AM

Soooo, when the Gentle Giant was running away, he was actually running toward the officer.

Just imagine how much fun Ned has everyday. You and I only got Wednesdays in elementary school to celebrate Opposite’s Day! For Ned, everyday is Opposite’s Day.

Resist We Much on August 18, 2014 at 8:43 AM

There has definitely been an anti-cop vibe on HA.

Happy Nomad on August 18, 2014 at 8:28 AM

Ya think?

katy the mean old lady on August 18, 2014 at 8:30 AM

I really think a lot of this sudden anti-police sentiment is coming from fears of Obama/the Democrats using the police to harass or harm conservatives the same way the IRS is being used, and it’s not an unreasonable fear given the other things we’ve seen from this administration.

The problem is it’s being taken way too far. The police have basic peacekeeping duties that they need to be able to perform, and part of the reason they’ve held back have been hysterical denunciations of them being “too militarized” in their response to dangerous, violent mobs.

Doomberg on August 18, 2014 at 8:45 AM

The lack of gunpowder suggests that Brown was at least some distance from Officer Darren Wilson when he was shot, though, which intensifies the question about the use of lethal force, given that Brown was unarmed at the time.

No, it doesn’t. Gunpowder residue tests aren’t even measured beyond 36″ because it’s useless.

The most that can be said is that Brown was at least 36″ away. And 3 feet isn’t a whole hell of a lot of distance when it’s a 6′+ man charging you.

ButterflyDragon on August 18, 2014 at 8:47 AM

That depends on what the meaning of “back” is.

Dongemaharu on August 18, 2014 at 8:47 AM

I regularly compete in casual tactical pistol competitions and more than once I’ve popped off more rounds than I should even though I know EXACTLY where and when I’ll be shooting.

Throw some real-life ahole charging at me when it’s actually life and death, I can’t guarantee I’m not going to empty on the guy either and continue dry-firing after the mag is done.

Bishop on August 18, 2014 at 8:48 AM

Just imagine how much fun Ned has everyday. You and I only got Wednesdays in elementary school to celebrate Opposite’s Day! For Ned, everyday is Opposite’s Day.

Resist We Much on August 18, 2014 at 8:43 AM

It’s all because of a warp in the space-time continuum.

Ned will explain further when he gets back from the Federation of Planets convention.

viking01 on August 18, 2014 at 8:48 AM

I really think a lot of this sudden anti-police sentiment is coming from fears of Obama/the Democrats using the police to harass or harm conservatives the same way the IRS is being used, and it’s not an unreasonable fear given the other things we’ve seen from this administration.

Doomberg on August 18, 2014 at 8:45 AM

But, it shouldn’t be fear of any one administration, the point is any administration can do those things. We should always have some fear of overly militarized law enforcement.

The problem, as some people (myself included), see it, is that if you train and equip law enforcement like a military, they will start to act like and think of themselves as a military.

As I said in a comment up thread, that doesn’t mean that police should have no equipment or training to handle things like riots, but we should be having discussions about these things, because I don’t believe anyone can deny that law enforcement generally has become much more militarized over the last 30 years. Some of that is probably necessary, but some of it likely is not.

Monkeytoe on August 18, 2014 at 8:49 AM

You should see the deal I got for a ski vacation in Afghanistan.

katy the mean old lady on August 18, 2014 at 8:35 AM

You crack me up… Thanks, I needed this!

Key West Reader on August 18, 2014 at 8:49 AM

Now, does that mean that the police in Ferguson were wrong in how they responded to the riots – I don’t know, I don’t really have enough facts. I do think they were wrong in how they responded to the reporters they detained.

Monkeytoe on August 18, 2014 at 8:40 AM

So, you don’t think the Ferguson PD should have brought riot gear and riot tactics to a riot? Chief Johnson smugly changed things up and let them loot and riot to their hearts content- how’d that work out?

As to those reporters, I’m sorry but I can’t get worked up when a couple of left-leaning pajamaboy reporters start mouthing off to the cops after they’ve been told to leave the McDonalds. And the horror that a WaPo reporter couldn’t get through to his mom from jail!

Happy Nomad on August 18, 2014 at 8:50 AM

It is still hard to reconcile the fact that Brown, apparantly, wasn’t armed and the fact he was struck by six if not seven bullets.

Happy Nomad on August 18, 2014 at 8:22 AM

It’s not hard to reconcile if the story reported by the cop’s friend (and confirmed by at least one witness account) is accurate: that the 6’4, 296 pound Brown turned toward the cop and charged at him after the cop ordered him to stop.

Keep in mind that Brown had already assaulted the cop at his vehicle, and tried to take his gun from him. The cop was out there alone, with only his gun to defend himself. A huge and aggressive suspect who has already attacked him is now charging at him again.

When you’re shooting at a target that is moving rapidly towards you with the likely intent to kill you, you fire as many shots as you can.

AZCoyote on August 18, 2014 at 8:50 AM

Ned will explain further when he gets back from the Federation of Planets convention.

viking01 on August 18, 2014 at 8:48 AM

Err, he’s at ComicCon… Dressed like SouperDouche

Key West Reader on August 18, 2014 at 8:50 AM

Baden needs to high tail it back to NYC as he has work literally stacking up on him..13 shot Sat alone!

Privatize It on August 18, 2014 at 8:51 AM

And, don’t worry. Barry will be along pretty soon to throw water gasoline on this morning’s embers.

Fallon on August 18, 2014 at 8:36 AM

After Saturday night, I really thought things would calm down. Indeed, I’d been thinking that Sharpton and Jackson, while somewhere around there, had been somewhat muffled.

But I watched about five minutes of Sharpton yesterday afternoon, and I couldn’t believe the gas he was throwing on the fire. I think he realized that he had to breathe more life in the beast, or it would expire. So, now MO has the NG going in.

BuckeyeSam on August 18, 2014 at 8:51 AM

The man was 6’4″ and weighed 290 pounds. “Teenager” Uh huh.

He was a thug.

Key West Reader on August 18, 2014 at 8:25 AM

I don’t imagine that this was the type of death panel to which Sarah Palin was referring, but at 6’4″ and 290 lbs at the age of 18, he was a diabetic/coronary/cerebrovascular incident waiting to happen.

As anyone from Merry, Old England will tell you, there’s only a finite amount of medical dollars.

Resist We Much on August 18, 2014 at 8:51 AM

The issue is why the first shot was fired. If that was justified, the fact that he kept pulling the trigger is probably irrelevant.

People always focus on the number of shots, as if that is the issue. But, are police trained to shoot once, and then check out what’s going on? Or, are they trained that once the decision to shoot is made, to fire a number of shots at the target to stop the target?

I believe it is the latter.

Monkeytoe on August 18, 2014 at 8:26 AM

Fixed it for you. Once a person feels there is a situation that requires the use of deadly force, you use enough force to end that situation. It does not matter if he shot 2 or 6 times, if he felt there was still a threat, he should keep shooting until that threat stops or he runs out of ammo. A 6 foot+ 290 pound man charging at you is a serious threat.

Johnnyreb on August 18, 2014 at 8:52 AM

Hot Air criticized the “militarized” response to the crisis when it’s become clear that such a response is badly needed and overdue.

Doomberg on August 18, 2014 at 8:35 AM

Er, no. The criticism was regarding the militarization of police departments across the country, e.g. does East Snotville, Iowa – population 142 – really need a fleet of MRAPs?

If you need a “militarized response” you do what is being done now, albeit belatedly. Call in the NG. You don’t dress up Bubba and Gomer in camos and let them play soldier.

whatcat on August 18, 2014 at 8:52 AM

In a local church, people gave a standing ovation on Sunday afternoon to Capt. Ron Johnson of the Missouri Highway Patrol.

But hours later on W. Florissant Ave. — near where Officer Darren Wilson killed unarmed Michael Brown with six bullets — Johnson was seen as the enemy.

I’m sick and tired of the media’s stoking the embers like this. There’s no indication the people at the Church are the same as the people who were rioting. That they would write this in the face of the elementary school logic of the issue shows the malevolent nature of those in the media.

Dusty on August 18, 2014 at 8:53 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xpcrDzy344

And this vid here is famous. Go to about 1:10 or so and see the slo-mo version of how quickly a guy can close the distance on even a trained cop with a open-carry rig.

Bishop on August 18, 2014 at 8:53 AM

When you’re shooting at a target that is moving rapidly towards you with the likely intent to kill you, you fire as many shots as you can.

AZCoyote on August 18, 2014 at 8:18 AM

You fire until the person is down and dead or they will kill you.

dogsoldier on August 18, 2014 at 8:53 AM

I know this might seem a little wacky, but it IS possible for a conservative to 1)oppose government overreach and conclude this particular officer used unnecessary force on an unarmed man, 2) reject the notion said man was an innocent teen, 3)reject rioting while supporting peaceful protest against an increasingly militarized police force.

It’s just disturbing to me how we sometimes impose the same monolithic thought that the left accuses us of having.

Bee on August 18, 2014 at 8:53 AM

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