Quotes of the day

posted at 8:01 pm on August 17, 2014 by Allahpundit

Missouri Highway Patrol Capt. Ronald S. Johnson said in a briefing just before 3 a.m. that police began using smoke bombs early this morning after learning that men were on the roof of Red’s BBQ. Police were going to walk West Florissant Avenue in teams, but that plan changed with the report of men on the roof.

Authorities then heard that there was a shooting victim near Red’s, a police car was shot at, and a man stood in the street with a handgun.

Tear gas and smoke bombs were used to disperse a group of defiant protesters. By the time officers moved protesters from the scene, the shooting victim had been taken by private vehicle to a hospital, Johnson said. He did not know whether the victim was a protester.

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Chuck Canterbury, president of the Fraternal Order of Police, a union that represents more than 325,000 officers nationwide, defended the actions of the Ferguson and St. Louis County police. He said he had spoken with officers there who told him they have been responding to violence from people who have looted, started fires and thrown rocks and bottles at them…

“You don’t retreat,” said Canterbury, a 26-year veteran of the Horry County Police Department in Conway, S.C. “We have to protect property and we have to protect people.”

Much of the high-tech gear seen in Ferguson is to protect police, he said.

The military appearance is “more a perception than reality,” he said. “They are two different things. The military is trained to engage and law enforcement is trained to defuse.”

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We’ve been told for days now that that the reason there was rioting in Ferguson is because protesters were “provoked” by militarized police. I agree with some of my colleagues that cops should look like cops (see Kevin’s excellent piece here), and it is deeply unsettling to see police atop armored vehicles training weapons on protesters. On the other hand, there is no justification to throw projectiles at police, no matter what kind of uniforms they are wearing or what kind of vehicles they have, nor is there any justification for destroying or stealing other people’s property.

Now, we’ve had a real world test of the “provocation” thesis. The highway patrol came in with a much softer and friendlier posture and it seemed to work Thursday night in reducing tensions, but it didn’t last night. Shamefully, the cops evidently stood by while looters destroyed and stole things. We’ve heard an awful lot about the function of police in our society the last few days. Well, how about this as a function? Protect the property of innocent people.

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Sonny Dayan, owner of St. Louis Cordless Communications, tells National Review Online police prevented him from returning to his business while it was being looted and the police did nothing to stop the crime.

Dayan says police would not let him walk down the street to his business, a cell phone service and supply store, despite letting looters run through the streets and into stores. “As far as I know my business is burning down, I’m getting calls from the alarm left and right, you got to get here, you got to get here,” he says. “They [the alarm company] called the police. The police said, “We cannot come help you because it’s not our job anymore. We got kicked out.” ”

He says police told him they would call him when it was safe to return to his store, but never did. When he did make it back to his store a few hours later on Saturday morning, he found several Ferguson residents standing guard and waiting to help him clean up. He says police came into his store on Saturday to make sure he was OK, but offered no explanation as to why they would not protect his store. “My store or my business, it’s nothing that they worry about,” he says. “It’s the last thing they worry about.”

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In rural western Maine, the Oxford County Sheriff’s Office, which had not reported a murder in more than 20 years, asked for an MRAP. Cpl. George Cayer, wrote in his request that Maine’s western foothills face a “previously unimaginable threat from terrorist activities.”

In Orange County, Florida, masked officers in tactical gear helped state inspectors raid barber shops in 2010 to find people cutting hair without a license. Using a mini battering ram and pry bar at times, police arrested dozens of people. Officials said they found illegal items such as drugs and a weapon.

McSweeney said it’s hard to argue that police shouldn’t use the best equipment available.

“It’s tempting to say, ‘Shouldn’t we wear these things? Shouldn’t we approach this as if we could get shot?’” he said. “How do you say no to that question?”

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The limits of the Parker approach became apparent during Watts, which started over a traffic arrest and escalated into rioting that claimed 34 lives. Parker himself called for support from the California National Guard. Activists found soldiers patrolling the streets of Los Angeles to be a fitting symbol. They had long considered the LAPD an occupying army. Parker had the opposite reaction: He wanted those toys for his officers…

They’ve also been used as crowd control, even during peaceful demonstrations, which is what happened in Ferguson. Some consider this a misapplication of SWAT, but the real problem is deeper: This was its original function, developed in Delano, Calif., by police looking to control—some would say intimidate—Cesar Chavez’s striking United Farm Workers. It was Daryl Gates, a Parker protégé, who liked what Delano was doing. By 1967, Los Angeles had its own SWAT units.

After the department’s SWAT team prevailed in violent confrontations with Black Panthers and SLA guerrillas—and with help from a Hollywood television series named “S.W.A.T.” and generous Justice Department grants—thousands of U.S. police departments began buying the high-powered weapons, body armor, and other SWAT accoutrements.

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To be clear: I cheered Paul’s comments, I support most of the reforms under consideration, I want lower incarceration rates and fewer people dying when a no-knock raid goes wrong. But there may be trade-offs here: In an era of atomization, distrust and economic stress, our punitive system may be a big part of what’s keeping crime rates as low as they are now, making criminal justice reform more complicated than a simple pro-liberty free lunch.

But the military hardware issue, the BearCats and grenade launchers and what we’ve seen unfold in Ferguson — that does seem easy, uncomplicated, clear. Crime rates rise and fall, but crime-fighting is a constant for police; dealing with terrorism and insurrection, however, decidedly is not. Yet for decades we’ve been equipping our cops as though the Symbionese Liberation Army were about to come out of retirement, as if every burst of opportunistic lawlessness could become another Watts, as though the Qaeda sleeper cells we feared after 9/11 were as pervasive in life as they are on “24” or “Homeland.”

And this is where it’s ended: with a bunch of tomfool police playing soldier, tear-gassing protesters, arresting journalists and turning Ferguson into a watchword for policing at its worst.

Time to take their toys away.

***

To use a recent example, if you or I had gunned down an unarmed man on a street at high noon how long would it be before you were identified as a suspect… which by the way is how the officer in Ferguson should be treated? I’m guessing nanoseconds would be the answer and how long before the police started leaking their suspicions as facts? Again nanoseconds. The officer in Ferguson was only identified after six days and then begrudgingly…

And along the way we are served up the usual pap about how hard a police officer’s life is and how we should respect the police. Here is a newsflash. No one in this nation is drafted to be a policeman. Not only is it a choice, it is a choice that requires the individual to compete for a limited number of positions. If the job is too hard, they should find something else to do that doesn’t involve carrying a gun and brutalizing the citizenry. And respect is a two-way street. You gotta give it to get it.

The real question we should be asking is not whether cops need MRAPs and drones, they don’t. The real question is why American police on American streets have rules of engagement more liberal when it comes to the use of deadly force than those a soldier in Afghanistan works under? If an Afghan was killed under the same circumstances as Michael Brown, the soldier involved and probably his immediate supervisor would be facing a court martial. If you doubt the degree to which our police are militarized ponder that question.

***

The different uniforms are meant for different kinds of policing: The traditional blue coat is for the policeman who walks a beat, and the ridiculous stormtrooper suits are for those who roll through in an MRAP.

Which sort of policing would you prefer?

People in places such as Ferguson, Mo., often talk about the police as though they were an occupying force, and there is, in Ferguson and in many other places, a strong racial component. During my time in Philadelphia, the city had a black mayor, a black police commissioner, and a heavily black police force, and the city’s worst crime was concentrated in two black neighborhoods. Police innovations such as sending extra patrols to schools at dismissal time were criticized by community leaders who complained that the police were “targeting” black neighborhoods. Which, of course, they were: That’s where the crime was. The police were of course in an impossible position: On the one hand, they were regarded as unwelcome intruders; on the other, they could not simply abandon those neighborhoods.

But they might seem a little bit less like an occupying force if they didn’t dress like one. If they weren’t armed like one. If they didn’t roll through like one. If they weren’t being told, and telling themselves, that they are “at war.”

And though I recognize that the police have a difficult task, they might also get a little more support from communities such as Ferguson if they were doing their job. Peel again: “Recognize always that the test of police efficiency is the absence of crime and disorder, and not the visible evidence of police action in dealing with them.”

That sound like Ferguson, Mo., to you? Or Chicago? Or Detroit? Or Los Angeles?

***

[W]hen the police are dressed like combat troops, it’s not a fashion faux pas, it’s a fundamental misunderstanding of who they are. Forget the armored vehicles with the gun turrets, forget the faceless, helmeted, anonymous Robocops, and just listen to how these “policemen” talk. Look at the video as they’re arresting the New York Times and Huffington Post reporters. Watch the St Louis County deputy ordering everyone to leave, and then adding: “This is not up for discussion.”

Really? You’re a constable. You may be carrying on like the military commander of an occupying army faced with a rabble of revolting natives, but in the end you’re a constable. And the fact that you and your colleagues in that McDonald’s are comfortable speaking to your fellow citizens like this is part of the problem. The most important of the “nine principles of good policing” (formulated by the first two commissioners of the Metropolitan Police in 1829 and thereafter issued to every officer joining the force) is a very simple one: The police are the public and the public are the police. Not in Ferguson. Long before the teargassing begins and the bullets start flying, the way these guys talk is the first indication of how the remorseless militarization has corroded the soul of American policing.

Which brings us back to the death of Michael Brown. Let’s assume for the sake of argument that everything the police say about this incident is correct. In that case, whether or not the fatal shooting of Mr Brown is a crime, it’s certainly a mistake. When an unarmed shoplifter* in T-shirt and shorts with a five-buck cigar box in one hand has to be shot dead, you’re doing it wrong

A startling number of American readers wrote to say, with remarkable insouciance, that the US could not afford the luxury of First World policing. Large tracts of America had too many illegal immigrants, drug gangs, racial grievances, etc. Maybe. But the problem is that, increasingly, this is the only style of law enforcement America’s police culture teaches – not only for the teeming favelas, but for the leafy suburbs and the rural backwaters and the college-town keg party, too.

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Via Reason TV.


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My Dream Blues

novaculus on August 18, 2014 at 2:38 AM

31giddyup on August 18, 2014 at 2:32 AM

love that Sierra pine air..
well tell us all girl… what campground?..
elevation… weather report??..
bald eagles and golden???
bears ????
grilling or Q.. or your fancy cooker??
good wines??

going2mars on August 18, 2014 at 2:38 AM

31giddyup on August 18, 2014 at 2:32 AM

I am exhausted. Wish I could chase you around this thread.Good night to you my lady.

KCB on August 18, 2014 at 2:39 AM

BlaxPac,
I use to assemble, test, and ship computers for Mountain Computer in Scotts Valley (Santa Cruz mountains).
Never questioned the science behind it all. You must have pretty good talent to toss one together.
Building arms, always good to have planning stages, makes the project worth the wait.
Came thisclose to Red Rock. Temps to hot to go at the time. I imagine waking up at dawn around there has got to be goregous.
High elevations for me in the Sierras are just an hour and a half away. I’m very grateful for that.
Has one encounter with a bear a long time ago and was trailed by a mountain lion once.
Don’t ever want to encounter that kind of thing again.
Walked slowly backwards from the bear, avoided looking at him in the eyes, and prayed like crazy. Bear went back to eating whatever was laying in front of him. Dropped a sandwich on trail for the mountain lion, went off trail, double back to the direction I came from and ran like crazy. Neither encounter was far from camp.

31giddyup on August 18, 2014 at 2:45 AM

BlaxPac on August 18, 2014 at 2:34 AM

that cop and I would think a few others in the department will just pack it in..
if they are close to the retirement numbers…get out..

going2mars on August 18, 2014 at 2:46 AM

31giddyup on August 18, 2014 at 2:32 AM

I am exhausted. Wish I could chase you around this thread.Good night to you my lady.

KCB on August 18, 2014 at 2:39 AM

Hehe. Goodnight sweet Ken.

31giddyup on August 18, 2014 at 2:46 AM

31giddyup on August 18, 2014 at 2:46 AM

SMOOCH!

KCB on August 18, 2014 at 2:49 AM

31giddyup on August 18, 2014 at 2:45 AM

Never had the pleasure of meeting Mr. Bear in his own domain…and hope I never will, at least not without a .44 in my hand…or a .445 LOL

Worse I had to deal with was snakes while deer hunting and a few rounds of birdshot from pistol took care of that.

I LOVED Red Rock, it was the best part of being in NV, even better than being in Vegas…I got some great pics too, somewhere in a box (10 yrs ago)…hopefully by next year this time I will have enough $ aside to go back.

Only downside was getting used to the extreme dry heat…my nose bled a little the first day or two, but a little saline and I got acclimatised okay.

BlaxPac on August 18, 2014 at 2:55 AM

that cop and I would think a few others in the department will just pack it in..
if they are close to the retirement numbers…get out..

going2mars on August 18, 2014 at 2:46 AM

Pretty much count on it…Of course the troublemakers will claim they’re leaving because of guilt/racism whatever…sigh.

And will anyone take their place? Hell, who’d WANT to, after all this?

BlaxPac on August 18, 2014 at 2:58 AM

31giddyup on August 18, 2014 at 2:32 AM

love that Sierra pine air..
well tell us all girl… what campground?..
elevation… weather report??..
bald eagles and golden???
bears ????
grilling or Q.. or your fancy cooker??
good wines??

going2mars on August 18, 2014 at 2:38 AM

Pinecrest – Owned/operated by Dodge Ridge ski resort folks.
Small lake, very popular. Since it’s end of season, kids on their way back to school, not as crowded.
They allow most water vessels except ski jets/boats (messes up the fishing).
Camps, no hookups. Grilled. Bald Eagles. No wolves, serenaded by coyotes though.
Pinecrest – elev. 5700
Darndanelles – elev. 9600+, spent time by the river up there.
Weather in the 70′s low 80′s daytime

31giddyup on August 18, 2014 at 3:02 AM

well, well, i thought furegon was doing ok tonight…maybe not so much

Nixon calls out the National Guard

Tonight, a day of hope, prayers, and peaceful protests was marred by the violent criminal acts of an organized and growing number of individuals, many from outside the community and state, whose actions are putting the residents and businesses of Ferguson at risk. I join the people of Ferguson, and all Missourians, in strongly condemning this criminal activity that included firing upon law enforcement officers, shooting a civilian, throwing Molotov cocktails, looting, and a coordinated attempt to block roads and overrun the Unified Command Center. These violent acts are a disservice to the family of Michael Brown and his memory, and to the people of this community who yearn for justice to be served, and to feel safe in their own homes. Given these deliberate, coordinated and intensifying violent attacks on lives and property in Ferguson, I am directing the highly capable men and women of the Missouri National Guard to assist Colonel Ron Replogle and the Unified Command in restoring peace and order to this community.”

i think it is a good idea…given that the looters were going iont neighboring town to loot

they need a bigger footprint

r keller on August 18, 2014 at 3:04 AM

And will anyone take their place? Hell, who’d WANT to, after all this?

BlaxPac on August 18, 2014 at 2:58 AM

if you were Mr Johnson would you want to be the chief…when this is over??.
better be a lot of money and perks on the table..

going2mars on August 18, 2014 at 3:07 AM

that cop and I would think a few others in the department will just pack it in..
if they are close to the retirement numbers…get out..

going2mars on August 18, 2014 at 2:46 AM

Pretty much count on it…Of course the troublemakers will claim they’re leaving because of guilt/racism whatever…sigh.

And will anyone take their place? Hell, who’d WANT to, after all this?

BlaxPac on August 18, 2014 at 2:58 AM

Refreshing to hear someone to express this…the cop side, Blax. I didn’t work for LE. Sister was a crime technician. I was close with her department. The things that cops and their families that have to go through…so much BS….when things like this happen. Just good to hear you speaking up and trying to set some people straight. Much appreciated.

31giddyup on August 18, 2014 at 3:07 AM

Hugs to all!

31giddyup on August 18, 2014 at 1:59 AM

Hi, Rhonda. :) Hope you are doing well.

<– Nodding off.

Axe on August 18, 2014 at 3:12 AM

UGH, it is 3am, and I better turn in…

To one and all, 31giddyup, going2mars and the rest of you lurkers out there, I bid you all a good night and remember:

America is worth the fightFight On.

BlaxPac on August 18, 2014 at 3:12 AM

31giddyup on August 18, 2014 at 3:02 AM

sounds fantastic….. sighs…
and in the teardrop too…
I bet it looks cute next to the big trees..
why did you ever leave the place?..

going2mars on August 18, 2014 at 3:13 AM

Night Blax- Keep fighting the good fight. Great chatting with ya.

31giddyup on August 18, 2014 at 3:17 AM

the Gov calls out the national guard..!!

“Following coordinated attacks on civilians and law enforcement, Governor Nixon signs executive order directing Missouri National Guard resources to Ferguson”

https://governor.mo.gov/news/archive/following-coordinated-attacks-civilians-and-law-enforcement-governor-nixon-signs

going2mars on August 18, 2014 at 3:19 AM

Places like Ferguson are PERFECT for The “Daisy Cutter“!!……..Turn The Skies There BLACK with them!!

williamg on August 18, 2014 at 3:19 AM

31giddyup on August 18, 2014 at 3:02 AM

sounds fantastic….. sighs…
and in the teardrop too…
I bet it looks cute next to the big trees..
why did you ever leave the place?..

going2mars on August 18, 2014 at 3:13 AM

So easy to travel with and operate. Fits into tight spots. Just unhook and hand roll it in.
Didn’t want to leave. Responsibilities called us out of the woods.
You’ll get yours done, I know you will. It will be worth it.

31giddyup on August 18, 2014 at 3:21 AM

Greets one who is Axe.
Not much longer before the ZZZZZs embrace you.
I’m doing well, just pooped trying to be 18 when my body reminds me….not.
And you? Doing well?

31giddyup on August 18, 2014 at 3:24 AM

Places like Ferguson are PERFECT for The “Daisy Cutter“!!……..Turn The Skies There BLACK with them!!

williamg on August 18, 2014 at 3:19 AM

Hey WG,
Daisy cutters aren’t too picky about who they cut. There’s some good people stuck there. Don’t want to hurt them, right?

31giddyup on August 18, 2014 at 3:26 AM

You’ll get yours done, I know you will. It will be worth it.

31giddyup on August 18, 2014 at 3:21 AM

I am still moving lines around on the screen…
I cant decide if I want to go tiny or larger trailer size..
tiny is easy all around..
but you can get more stuffs in a tall unit..
rafts swell in the sun.. and if its on top I will have to let more air out..
or I could roll it into the bottom of a taller unit
and turn the upper half into sleeping ..
so I am mumbling ideas still..
I like small..so far…6X12..

going2mars on August 18, 2014 at 3:34 AM

I’m doing well, just pooped trying to be 18 when my body reminds me….not.
And you? Doing well?

31giddyup on August 18, 2014 at 3:24 AM

Everything’s different. :) But, yes. I think so.

. . . pain in the butt being 18 in the middle and not-so-much on the outside, isn’t it? :)

Hold the fort. I’m back to sea.

<– Jumps.

Axe on August 18, 2014 at 3:37 AM

going2mars on August 18, 2014 at 3:34 AM

Any way you can rent something similar to the size you and do a dry run? Find the kinks you want to work around on your own plans?
Oh, what’s become of the Stewart story. Haven’t even skimmed the sites yet, came directly to HA.

31giddyup on August 18, 2014 at 3:43 AM

Oh, what’s become of the Stewart story. Haven’t even skimmed the sites yet, came directly to HA.

31giddyup on August 18, 2014 at 3:43 AM

nothing yet.. I doubt there will be..
unless they have way better video that what’s on youtube..
TS skipped Michigan today..
so all is quiet on that front today..

going2mars on August 18, 2014 at 3:46 AM

Places like Ferguson are PERFECT for The “Daisy Cutter“!!……..Turn The Skies There BLACK with them!!

williamg on August 18, 2014 at 3:19 AM

Hey WG,
Daisy cutters aren’t too picky about who they cut. There’s some good people stuck there. Don’t want to hurt them, right?

31giddyup on August 18, 2014 at 3:26 AM

,,,MAYBE…..there’s no way of knowing……we can sort that out later…..when it’s safe….there’s probably some “good” M U S L I M S, too……..doesn’t matter…

…..I’m just sick of it…..anyone still there is just a tool for The Media….as long as it is there – The Media can use it as a diving board for their narrative….it there’s nothing but a Crater left – they have to look elsewhere for a source through which to Megaphone their narrative…..there will be a hiccup in their narrative…..that’s when the Second part of my plan kicks in…..

williamg on August 18, 2014 at 3:49 AM

Any way you can rent something similar to the size you and do a dry run?

31giddyup on August 18, 2014 at 3:43 AM

I am thinking about a drive to a place that sells them..
see how big they are.. the interior is like 6’6″..
I would like 4′.. 6′x12′x4′ would be a fatboy teardrop..
maybe I should buy a smaller raft…

going2mars on August 18, 2014 at 3:54 AM

Any way you can rent something similar to the size you and do a dry run?

31giddyup on August 18, 2014 at 3:43 AM

I am thinking about a drive to a place that sells them..
see how big they are.. the interior is like 6’6″..
I would like 4′.. 6′x12′x4′ would be a fatboy teardrop..
maybe I should buy a smaller raft…

going2mars on August 18, 2014 at 3:54 AM

Sounds like a very good plan. They might even be willing to help you out with suggestions or direct you to some other builder who’s done something closer to what you want. We learned from our first drop how we wanted the one we have now, to be ergonomically correct for our needs. Makes a world of difference.

This last trip we learned to have the teardrop makers business cards with his website addy on it. So many people stopped to chat with us. Learning to cut the conversation short and hand them the card. Got down to recreatin’ business instead of chattin’.

31giddyup on August 18, 2014 at 4:03 AM

31giddyup on August 18, 2014 at 4:03 AM

this guy builds quality stuff..
a smaller shorter thinner something like this..

http://beckercustomtrailers.com/trailers/sport/7-x-22-premium-aluminum-toyhauler

I like the viewing platform on this one…
its only 14′ long..
but I like the V fronts better..

http://beckercustomtrailers.com/trailers/sport/75-x-14-aluminum-moto-hauler-viewing-deck

going2mars on August 18, 2014 at 4:10 AM

This is one of the most asinine outrages I’ve ever heard of.

A man is dead and, rather than focus on that and wait for the facts — or demand the facts, also perfectly reasonable — we’re witnessing a national paroxysm of wailing from the right and the left, from every politician who thinks they can score a point on the big scoreboard, and every lawyer who sniffs a buck, about police departments (not only those in Ferguson, mind you, but all police departments everywhere) becoming “militarized.”

Fine, debate the notion all you want. But, the fact of the matter is, it has nothing whatsoever to do with Ferguson, MO.

Mr. Brown was shot with a standard issue handgun. Not a howitzer or a rocket launcher. No protesters have been hit by a missile from a drone or killed by an artillery strike. Molotov cocktails and bricks are flying, but we don’t want to talk about that. We’re incensed at police officers having riot gear or armored vehicles.

The size of the vehicles in the police department motor pool did not cause Mr. Brown’s death and it hasn’t had a bloody thing to do with the rioting in Ferguson. Nothing, period.

Oh, and for the uninformed in the media, tear gas is not a new super weapon. It’s been around a while.

IndieDogg on August 18, 2014 at 4:14 AM

Like them both G2M. Hope you get some answers you want and soon. Gotta get some “joy” drawing done instead of work all the time. (Note: nagging from a friend is good sometimes.)

I’m nodding off. So good to chat with you dear friend. Rest well when the time comes.

Night Axe, WG, r keller, IndieDogg, and HA lurkers.

Blessings

31giddyup on August 18, 2014 at 4:28 AM

31giddyup on August 18, 2014 at 4:28 AM

I am nodding off too 31…
thanks for the ideas again…
sleep well and be safe…

ps…morning COL..!!
have a great day..

going2mars on August 18, 2014 at 4:30 AM

Good morning ladies and gentlemen. I always seem to come on just when everybody leaves.

The thing in MO is being coordinated. It’s about revolution and control. I wish someone would look into Soros’ involvement in these things.

crankyoldlady on August 18, 2014 at 4:54 AM

crankyoldlady on August 18, 2014 at 4:54 AM

Good morning COL. Looks like the curfew idea was a complete failure. I don’t approve of curfews anyway. Law abiding people obey them, but not the criminals. So what is the point?

cat_owner on August 18, 2014 at 5:08 AM

They need to stop assuming these criminals are poor disgruntled children and come down on them as the rented thugs they are.

crankyoldlady on August 18, 2014 at 5:14 AM

crankyoldlady on August 18, 2014 at 5:14 AM

Yes well I think they are trying to. The governor called in the national guard. I don’t think Nixon has a clue what he’s doing though.

cat_owner on August 18, 2014 at 5:27 AM

I don’t know what the NG is going to do. Throw sandbags at them?

crankyoldlady on August 18, 2014 at 5:45 AM

Premeditated attacks to invoke violence
-Johnson

Bringing in national guard

They really thought he was going to bring calm into the chaos……not

cmsinaz on August 18, 2014 at 6:06 AM

Complete farce (Perry indictment)
-morning joe

cmsinaz on August 18, 2014 at 6:08 AM

Via politico. Dear leader back in Dc talking to business leaders about his amnesty plan

Its coming folks

cmsinaz on August 18, 2014 at 6:11 AM

Complete farce (Perry indictment)
-morning joe

cmsinaz on August 18, 2014 at 6:08 AM

If there is anything the Morning Jew crew knows it is complete farce.

Happy Nomad on August 18, 2014 at 6:57 AM

Its coming folks

cmsinaz on August 18, 2014 at 6:11 AM

and so would a revolution.

renalin on August 18, 2014 at 6:59 AM

Bringing in national guard

They really thought he was going to bring calm into the chaos……not

cmsinaz on August 18, 2014 at 6:06 AM

More important, IMO, is the smug way they thought on Friday that bringing in a black chief to lead enforcement was going to solve all the problems. The last couple of days have proven that theory wrong.

I maintain my position that it was not “over militarization” of the police when the riots started because you don’t go up against people with guns and molotov cocktails as if the police were there as part of some community relations effort.

Happy Nomad on August 18, 2014 at 7:00 AM

Happy Nomad on August 18, 2014 at 6:57 AM

heh

renalin on August 18, 2014 at 6:59 AM

yup

Happy Nomad on August 18, 2014 at 7:00 AM

agree

cmsinaz on August 18, 2014 at 7:10 AM

so the baltimore mayor is implying the police need to deal with the looters/rioters differently…

how? the looters/rioters are going to continue throwing malatov cocktails and the police have to do something different????

what am i missing?

cmsinaz on August 18, 2014 at 7:13 AM

how? the looters/rioters are going to continue throwing malatov cocktails and the police have to do something different????

what am i missing?

cmsinaz on August 18, 2014 at 7:13 AM

The police do have to do something different. I’m thinking summary execution for anybody caught looting.

Seriously, the stories over the weekend show that the cops aren’t doing a damned thing except crowd dispersal. They are allowing stores to be robbed and torched because they don’t want to engage the filthy animals out there who are pretending that the rioting has anything to do with “justice” for a black thug.

Happy Nomad on August 18, 2014 at 7:25 AM

Happy Nomad on August 18, 2014 at 7:25 AM

i think if they did anything stop the rioters, folk would cry foul- police brutality, not letting them have their constitutional right to peacefully protest

it a no win situation for them

cmsinaz on August 18, 2014 at 7:33 AM

i think if they did anything stop the rioters, folk would cry foul- police brutality, not letting them have their constitutional right to peacefully protest

it a no win situation for them

cmsinaz on August 18, 2014 at 7:33 AM

So, are they going to let Ferguson burn for the weeks (if not months) it will take to finish all the investigations and, presumably, charge and put on trial one or more member of the PD?

They need to shut he rioting down right now- and shame on Brown’s family for egging the rioting and looting on and not condemning it.

Happy Nomad on August 18, 2014 at 7:38 AM

Good morning ladies and gentlemen. I always seem to come on just when everybody leaves.

The thing in MO is being coordinated. It’s about revolution and control. I wish someone would look into Soros’ involvement in these things.

crankyoldlady on August 18, 2014 at 4:54 AM

Morning COL and mid 80sF and showers off and on through tomorrow. Family got home late last night and I will see them when I get home this afternoon. You have been getting up earlier lately.

Wish you well and fist bumps to the rest. Time to catch up on last nights QOTD comments. To answer your question last week….Tennis.

HonestLib on August 18, 2014 at 7:40 AM

So, are they going to let Ferguson burn for the weeks (if not months) it will take to finish all the investigations and, presumably, charge and put on trial one or more member of the PD?

They need to shut he rioting down right now- and shame on Brown’s family for egging the rioting and looting on and not condemning it.

Happy Nomad on August 18, 2014 at 7:38 AM

It will stop now that the weekend is over.

kcewa on August 18, 2014 at 7:45 AM

They need to shut he rioting down right now- and shame on Brown’s family for egging the rioting and looting on and not condemning it.

Happy Nomad on August 18, 2014 at 7:38 AM

no argument here, the national guard coming, will they be any different?

cmsinaz on August 18, 2014 at 7:48 AM

its not about michael brown anymore, its about the crushing rate of poverty young folks are facing. that will continue.

-African American reporter on msnbc

renalin on August 18, 2014 at 7:52 AM

It will stop now that the weekend is over.

kcewa on August 18, 2014 at 7:45 AM

Why? Because the rioters had to go to their jobs?

Happy Nomad on August 18, 2014 at 7:52 AM

Well anybody get killed in Ferguson overnight? I saw that the National Guard is coming in – about time.

gophergirl on August 18, 2014 at 7:52 AM

the national guard coming, will they be any different?

cmsinaz on August 18, 2014 at 7:48 AM

Entirely depends on what ROE they are given. The LA National Guard was effective at law enforcement in the Upper Ninth Ward and New Orleans East after Katrina but that was because they were given the ability to do their jobs.

With a Dem governor and the way this has devolved into a race war, I’m guessing that the National Guard will really only be there to help sweep up the glass after another round of looting.

Happy Nomad on August 18, 2014 at 7:56 AM

its not about michael brown anymore, its about the crushing rate of poverty young folks are facing. that will continue.

-African American reporter on msnbc

renalin on August 18, 2014 at 7:52 AM

Seriously, who would hire any of those in the crowd protesting or looting? Work ethic? Language skills? I shudder at illegal immigrants not have English-speaking skills. How about these protesters? They’re so stupid they don’t even suspect anything. Just because you draw breath doesn’t entitle you to draw a paycheck.

BuckeyeSam on August 18, 2014 at 8:10 AM

Why? Because the rioters had to go to their jobs?

Happy Nomad on August 18, 2014 at 7:52 AM

They’ll be sleeping it off.

kcewa on August 18, 2014 at 8:11 AM

Well anybody get killed in Ferguson overnight? I saw that the National Guard is coming in – about time.

gophergirl on August 18, 2014 at 7:52 AM

2 dead and 6 wounded – on the south side of Chicago.

kcewa on August 18, 2014 at 8:15 AM

Worse I had to deal with was snakes while deer hunting and a few rounds of birdshot from pistol took care of that.

BlaxPac on August 18, 2014 at 2:55 AM

When out and about in the woods I always have my Judge with me.

HonestLib on August 18, 2014 at 8:32 AM

Good Morning, Y’all!

For America to proper, we must remain free. For America to remain free, we must be prosperous.

My take: Obama Takes a Break From Vacation to “Fix Everything”… Except the Thing That Matters Most…the Economy.

kingsjester on August 18, 2014 at 8:42 AM

williamg on August 18, 2014 at 3:12 AM

On a lighter note. I think I’ve met that dude in the crocheted beer can hat in the Soulard District in St. Louis, lol.

Fallon on August 18, 2014 at 8:51 AM

kingsjester on August 18, 2014 at 8:42

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The gist of his defense of The Lightbringer was the fact that ordinary Americans take vacations also.

I would take exception to that also. Few can afford vacations and I would like to add we now have a new entry to the dictionary: “Staycation,” invented a few years ago.

Further, King Putz vacations are exercises in putrid excess and disgusting lavish opulence, contrasted by millions of citizens out of work.

Imperious reader and family are piggish, living large while the nation struggles.

dogsoldier on August 18, 2014 at 9:27 AM

kingsjester on August 18, 2014 at 8:42 AM

Apologies! I forgot to add, great write up, as usual KJ.

dogsoldier on August 18, 2014 at 9:28 AM

Thank you, my friend!

kingsjester on August 18, 2014 at 10:35 AM

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