Ooops. Germans apparently were spying on Kerry, Hillary Clinton

posted at 4:01 pm on August 16, 2014 by Jazz Shaw

Well, this is certainly going to be awkward all the way around, though completely predictable.

German secret agents intercepted one of Hillary Clinton’s phone calls while she was US secretary of state and also listened in to a call by John Kerry, her successor, it emerged this weekend, in an embarrassing reversal of the spying scandal that blew up when it was revealed last year that America bugged Angela Merkel’s mobile phone.

Mrs Clinton was on a US government plane when German intelligence services overheard her call and, against their own internal protocol, stored it, intelligence sources told German media.

The intercepted phone call took place in 2012 between Mrs Clinton and Kofi Annan, the former United Nations secretary general, who had just returned from negotiations in Syria and wanted to brief her, the German weekly Der Spiegel reported on Saturday.

Der Spiegel also claimed that agents from the state intelligence services listened in on a phone call by John Kerry, the current US secretary of state – and that Germany has been spying on its NATO ally Turkey since 2009.

Can we just start from the default point of acknowledging that, regardless of how outraged everyone likes to act, all of the allies are probably spying on each other, or at least trying to? Israel spies on us, Germany spies on us, we spy on everyone. We might let Canada off the hook here because, honestly, who cares what the Canadians are up to unless it involves taking Justin Beiber back. The interesting part of the German “explanation” here is how they characterize the interception of Kerry’s phone call.

German intelligence sources have tried to minimise the impact of the revelations by explaining that the interception of the phone calls of both secretaries of state was only done “by accident”.

The secret agents had not meant to hear Mrs Clinton’s call or to keep the recording of it, according to a joint media investigation published on Friday by Sudddeutsche Zeitung, a German broadsheet newspaper and NDR and WDR, two German regional public broadcasting outlets.

A source told the outlets that the fact that the recording of the phone call had not been immediately destroyed, as is apparently routinely done if allies’ phone calls are picked up by accident, was “idiocy”.

Wait… so you picked up – and recorded – a call from our Secretary of State by accident? How exactly does that happen? You’re going through the mail and suddenly there’s a DVD there which you assume is for more free minutes from America On Line, but when you pop it into your laptop… oops!

Also, just how bad is our data protection that SecState calls are being routinely intercepted and “destroyed” by our friends?

In any event, this will likely require some backtracking from Angela Merkel. You may recall her speech when she demanded “action” from the United States to “rebuild the shattered trust” between our nations. And these intercepted phone calls took place well before the revelations of our spying on them, so this wasn’t some sort of tit for tat maneuver.

A bit of a sticky wicket, eh? Oh, wait.. .that’s the Brits.


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A bit of a sticky wicket, eh?

Are you referring to our previous SoS Hubby, there Jazz?

:ewww, gross:

But hey, at this point, what difference does it make?

BlaxPac on August 16, 2014 at 4:08 PM

Germans taking lessons from the NSA.

Bitter Clinger on August 16, 2014 at 4:08 PM

It’s funny that this is even talked about.

Every country spies on every other country, and if they don’t, they’re being irresponsible.

everdiso on August 16, 2014 at 4:08 PM

Also, just how bad is our data protection that SecState calls are being routinely intercepted and “destroyed” by our friends?

Hillary and Kerry aren’t smart enough to not use unencrypted cell phones for official business.

Bitter Clinger on August 16, 2014 at 4:10 PM

Of course.

CW on August 16, 2014 at 4:11 PM

everdiso on August 16, 2014 at 4:08 PM

Close the thread, the essential commentary is this.

thebrokenrattle on August 16, 2014 at 4:14 PM

Say no to Fascism. Say NO to militarize police force in American communities Jazz. Just say NO.

coolrepublica on August 16, 2014 at 4:15 PM

Ooops. Germans apparently were spying on Kerry, Hillary Clinton

But the Germans are our friends! The Israelis are our friends! Why on earth would our friends spy on us?

Welcome to the real world. Not black and white, and no John Wayne to right wrongs and punish evil doers.

Dr. ZhivBlago on August 16, 2014 at 4:16 PM

Kommen Sie hier, Kerry!

http://fap.to/images/39/1163237220/bbw-porn/Mistress-C-German-BBW-femdom-3.jpg

Seth Halpern on August 16, 2014 at 4:17 PM

So what were they saying? And why is this coming out now?

Inquiring minds want to know.

kcewa on August 16, 2014 at 4:18 PM

Say no to Fascism. Say NO to militarize police force in American communities Jazz. Just say NO.

coolrepublica on August 16, 2014 at 4:15 PM

Say NO to bad grammar. Just say no.

kcewa on August 16, 2014 at 4:19 PM

Hey! do the Germans know anything about some emails we’re looking for…?

Dolce Far Niente on August 16, 2014 at 4:19 PM

It’s funny that this is even talked about.

Every country spies on every other country, and if they don’t, they’re being irresponsible.

everdiso on August 16, 2014 at 4:08 PM

Does Canada spy on everyone too ditzo? Do tell.

slickwillie2001 on August 16, 2014 at 4:20 PM

Ooops. Germans apparently were spying on Kerry, Hillary Clinton

It was probably all part of a study by the German Health Ministry to better understand the mentally deranged.

VorDaj on August 16, 2014 at 4:21 PM

Say no to Fascism. Say NO to militarize police force in American communities Jazz. Just say NO.

coolrepublica on August 16, 2014 at 4:15 PM

Say NO to bad grammar. Just say no.

kcewa on August 16, 2014 at 4:19 PM

And just say “no” to off topic farts.

Bitter Clinger on August 16, 2014 at 4:22 PM

Say no to Fascism. Say NO to militarize police force in American communities Jazz. Just say NO.

coolrepublica on August 16, 2014 at 4:15 PM

Say NO to bad grammar. Just say no.

kcewa on August 16, 2014 at 4:19 PM

Its important to cr that people believe she is foreign born and of dark skin pigmentation. Hence the ESL-quality posting.

(She is actually the execrable midget nonpartisan, who graduated Harvard Law after he came back from Viet Nam.)

Dolce Far Niente on August 16, 2014 at 4:23 PM

Germans taking lessons from the NSA.

Bitter Clinger on August 16, 2014 at 4:08 PM

It’s only fair as the NSA took lessons from the East German STASI and the TSA has taken lessons from the old German Gestapo.

VorDaj on August 16, 2014 at 4:23 PM

Does Canada spy on everyone too ditzo? Do tell.

slickwillie2001 on August 16, 2014 at 4:20 PM

I would imagine they do. They may not have as intricate a spy network as we do, but I would imagine they do some spying.

Can’t believe I’m saying this, but I agree with this particular post by everdiso. Stopped clocks and all that.

Bitter Clinger on August 16, 2014 at 4:24 PM

Kinder, könnt Ihr “scheinheilig” sagen?

ddh on August 16, 2014 at 4:24 PM

Say NO to bad grammar. Just say no.

kcewa on August 16, 2014 at 4:19 PM

Pay a little less attention to my grammar, and a little more attention to “conservative” bloggers advocating we militarize our police force as a necessity.

coolrepublica on August 16, 2014 at 4:25 PM

The call was unencrypted. Would you encrypt anything if you were talking to Kofi Annan? No need to, because the other end leaks like a sieve anyway.

But this should take quite a bit of the wind out of the left’s attempt to generate outrage in Germany.

unclesmrgol on August 16, 2014 at 4:26 PM

Does Canada spy on everyone too ditzo? Do tell.

slickwillie2001 on August 16, 2014 at 4:20 PM

Yep

British intelligence agency GCHQ used port scanning as part of the “Hacienda” program to find vulnerable systems it and other agencies could compromise across at least 27 countries, German news site Heise Online has revealed.

One of the documents states that full scans of network ports of 27 countries and partial scans of another five countries had been carried out. Targets included ports using protocols such as SSH (Secure Shell) and SNMP (Simple Network Management Protocol), which are used for remote access and network administration.

The documents also reveal “Landmark,” a program started by the Canadian spy agency CSEC to find what it calls ORBs (Operational Relay Boxes), which are used to hide the location of the attacker when it launches exploits against targets or steals data, Heise said. For example, during an exercise in February 2010, eight groups of three “network exploitation analysts” were able to find 3,000 potential ORBs, which could then potentially be used by CSEC.

kcewa on August 16, 2014 at 4:27 PM

Its important to cr that people believe she is foreign born and of dark skin pigmentation. Hence the ESL-quality posting.

(She is actually the execrable midget nonpartisan, who graduated Harvard Law after he came back from Viet Nam.)

Dolce Far Niente on August 16, 2014 at 4:23 PM

Thanks.

kcewa on August 16, 2014 at 4:28 PM

Hey! do the Germans know anything about some emails we’re looking for…?

Dolce Far Niente on August 16, 2014 at 4:19 PM

Ouch. I just snorted my milk out my nose.

unclesmrgol on August 16, 2014 at 4:28 PM

It’s only fair as the NSA took lessons from the East German STASI and the TSA has taken lessons from the old German Gestapo.

VorDaj on August 16, 2014 at 4:23 PM

And it’s obvious that our current President hasn’t had any lessons from anyone.

unclesmrgol on August 16, 2014 at 4:30 PM

Say no to Fascism. Say NO to militarize police force in American communities Jazz. Just say NO.

coolrepublica on August 16, 2014 at 4:15 PM

Fascism is merely a whistle stop on the railroad to Eutopia.

unclesmrgol on August 16, 2014 at 4:31 PM

Pay a little less attention to my grammar, and a little more attention to “conservative” bloggers advocating we militarize our police force as a necessity.

coolrepublica on August 16, 2014 at 4:25 PM

Then stick your notions in the correct thread.

Bitter Clinger on August 16, 2014 at 4:35 PM

And it’s obvious that our current President hasn’t had any lessons from anyone.

unclesmrgol on August 16, 2014 at 4:30 PM

Oh, that’s not true. He took many lessons from Saul Alinsky, Jeremiah Wright, Karl Marx, Bill Ayers, King George III, King Louis XVI, Benito Mussolini, Adolf Hitler, Joesph Stalin, the Queen of Hearts and Joe Isuzu.

VorDaj on August 16, 2014 at 4:38 PM

I think I trust the Abwehr more anyway.

formwiz on August 16, 2014 at 4:39 PM

Maybe Hillary can bring the Germans a button with the word “überladen” written on it.

Oh, wait. Lurch has her job now.

Maybe Lurch can bring the Germans a button with the word “überladen” written on it.

After all, he’d just be following in the footsteps of one of the greatest Secretaries of State ever, according to the media.

Aizen on August 16, 2014 at 4:44 PM

Wish I had the ability to spy back on the trash in DC without fear of incarceration or the garbage in the IRS abusing me.

I hate those DC mongrels and their thieving bureaucrat constituents with such a passion that I rejoice when I hear of any ill befalling any of them.

Smegley on August 16, 2014 at 5:11 PM

Say no to Fascism. Say NO to militarize police force in American communities Jazz. Just say NO.

coolrepublica on August 16, 2014 at 4:15 PM

I’m a bit confused, what does this have to do with Germany spying on Clinton and Kerry?

RINO in Name Only on August 16, 2014 at 5:14 PM

Come on, Angie, give us something.

Kissmygrits on August 16, 2014 at 5:16 PM

OOPS

Awkward.

Give me a break. I would be disappointed in Germany if they hadn’t done this – and it is in no way “AWKWARD” for them.

Grow up.

Pork-Chop on August 16, 2014 at 5:23 PM

Every single country ON THE PLANET intercepts electronic communications to the extent it is able to do so — every single one. I am getting rather tired of the phony surprise and trying to create news out of this. Talking on a cell phone is not secure. Sending email is like sending a postcard.

Stop the fake outrage. This is being ginned up by people who for some reason want us to neuter our own intelligence capabilities.

crosspatch on August 16, 2014 at 5:31 PM

*Overly dramatic tone* I am OUTRAGE by this BETRAYL! How DARE they spie on their FRIENDS?!

/s

ThePrez on August 16, 2014 at 5:37 PM

Then stick your notions in the correct thread.

Bitter Clinger on August 16, 2014 at 4:35 PM

Threadnormativity is cis-thread racism.

F X Muldoon on August 16, 2014 at 5:39 PM

Germans apparently were spying on Kerry, Hillary Clinton

Now that’s a tell-all book I’d buy.Do they also have Obama’s school transcripts?

MaiDee on August 16, 2014 at 6:27 PM

Every nation spies on every other nation. Only the naive doesn’t know that.

sadatoni on August 16, 2014 at 6:55 PM

Every nation spies on every other nation. Only the naive doesn’t know that.

sadatoni on August 16, 2014 at 6:55 PM

Truly. I do think spying on Merkel’s private cell phone was a bridge too far, but even then I can’t get too worked up about it.

If a nation were truly worried about securing communications from another, they would not be using such open means. We have the technology to stop this, we just prefer to bitch and cry “You spied on us! How dare you!!”.

BillH on August 16, 2014 at 7:11 PM

Every nation spies on every other nation. Only the naive doesn’t know that.

sadatoni on August 16, 2014 at 6:55 PM

Truly. I do think spying on Merkel’s private cell phone was a bridge too far, but even then I can’t get too worked up about it.

If a nation were truly worried about securing communications from another, they would not be using such open means. We have the technology to stop this, we just prefer to b*tch and cry “You spied on us! How dare you!!”.

BillH on August 16, 2014 at 7:11 PM

Whats with the anti Canadian crack,,,,”Who cares about what Canada does or thinks”,,, They are a great friend and ally. I hate it when some yank blurts out their American arrogance while they can’t even name the capital of the nation of Canada. Just ask your friends basic questions about Canada and they will not know a thing.

garydt on August 16, 2014 at 7:26 PM

They’re still trying to decipher the code words “Fort Marcy Park” which Killary kept texting.

viking01 on August 16, 2014 at 7:35 PM

Whats with the anti Canadian crack,,,,”Who cares about what Canada does or thinks”,,, They are a great friend and ally. I hate it when some yank blurts out their American arrogance while they can’t even name the capital of the nation of Canada. Just ask your friends basic questions about Canada and they will not know a thing.

garydt on August 16, 2014 at 7:26 PM

Okay, this started with a pointed question I asked the troll everdiso about spying in Canada, a shot since he is a Canadian troll that comes here and pretends he is an American, telling us who to vote for.

I agree with what you said about Canada.

slickwillie2001 on August 16, 2014 at 7:55 PM

Thanks Slick Willie ,,, yeah I know now that Everdisco is a Canadian, its amazing he knows that much about American politics while the Americans know so little of Canada.

garydt on August 16, 2014 at 11:22 PM

A source told the outlets that the fact that the recording of the phone call had not been immediately destroyed, as is apparently routinely done if allies’ phone calls are picked up by accident, was “idiocy”.

This implies that some allies’ phone calls are indeed picked up on purpose.
And: How routine is the routine, anyway? How often does this “accidental eavesdropping” happen, that they need a routine to deal with it?

AesopFan on August 17, 2014 at 1:13 AM

A bit of a sticky wicket, eh?

This was always a truly ho-hum aspect of the Snowden leaks.

Everybody spies on everybody, friend or foe. The only ones who don’t are those who can’t manage it – but even they keep trying.

Germany’s reaction was for public relations then, so they deserve double the blowback now.

Fortunately, they already have the word for it!

Adjoran on August 17, 2014 at 1:43 AM

Good for them. They SHOULD be keeping an eye on a couple of people who can generously be described as morally and mentally bankrupt who could well be ‘leading’ the most powerful nation on the planet. That kind of tends to affect them in a good many ways.

And quite frankly if they can concoct a way for either or both of those treasonous wrecking balls to suffer a regrettable accident, I say jolly well go for it. The situation with our electorate pool is that desperate.

LawfulGood on August 17, 2014 at 2:31 AM

The fact that I. as a loyal conservative American could be cheered by the fact that German intelligence intercepted calls from MY country’s serial Secretary of State officeholders…says more about the state of my own nation than it does about me, or about the German government.

Thank God SOMEone is keeping an eye on these knuckleheads.

orangemtl on August 17, 2014 at 8:51 PM

The fact that I. as a loyal conservative American could be cheered by the fact that German intelligence intercepted calls from MY country’s serial Secretary of State officeholders…says more about the state of my own nation than it does about me, or about the German government.

orangemtl on August 17, 2014 at 8:51 PM

Precisely my point.

I am not only unsurprised but even GLAD that another civilized Western nation is keeping an eye on the pack of clowns we call a government. And were I them I would join Israel in wondering about a contingency plan to disable the Democrat leadership before the world’s superpower was destroyed from within.

LawfulGood on August 30, 2014 at 3:56 AM