Wait a sec: Ferguson police chief says initial contact with Brown wasn’t connected to robbery; Update: Cop figured it out during stop?

posted at 4:41 pm on August 15, 2014 by Allahpundit

Why’d they release the surveillance footage then? The point, I thought, was to show that Darren Wilson wasn’t hassling Michael Brown and Dorian Johnson because they were black but because he knew they were suspects in a felony. But he didn’t know.

Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson told reporters Friday that “the initial contact between” Michael Brown and the police officer who fatally shot him was not related to the alleged convenience store robbery committed nearby a short time earlier.

The officer approached Brown not because of the robbery, but “because they were walking down the middle of the street blocking traffic,” Jackson said.

In case there’s any ambiguity:

Johnson acknowledged in interviews that they were walking in the middle of the street but says no drivers were honking or yelling at them about blocking traffic. And he claims that when Wilson drove up, his first words were, “Get the f*** on the sidewalk.” Assuming that’s true, evidently it wasn’t the sound of a cop nervous that he’d just stumbled across two suspects in a convenience store robbery, it was the sound of a cop who was pissed off that a couple of jaywalkers weren’t moving fast enough. If Wilson ends up being tried, much will be made of just how pissed off he was when he pulled his gun. Also, Sean Davis smartly points out that this may have implications for Wilson’s defense under the Missouri statute governing police use of deadly force. A cop’s allowed to shoot a suspect who’s attempting to escape from custody if he reasonably believes (a) that deadly force is needed to make the arrest and (b) that the suspect committed a felony. He can’t use the convenience store robbery for the second part of that now. And purely as a PR matter, it’s obviously harder for Wilson and the PD to defend a lethal encounter that began with a stop for jaywalking than one that began with a stop for robbery. The public may not want to admit it but they’re willing to let cops play rougher with suspects accused of more dangerous crimes. Blocking traffic is annoying but it shouldn’t lead to a man lying dead on the asphalt.

So why’d they release the footage? Seems like they did it not to suggest something about Wilson’s state of mind in arresting Brown but something about Brown’s state of mind in being arrested by Wilson. It was always hard to believe that someone detained for blocking traffic would turn desperate enough to grab at a cop’s gun. It’s not as hard to believe that someone who thought he was being hauled in on a felony charge might have panicked. One thing I’m still unclear on, though, is when Wilson finally learned that Brown was a suspect in the robbery. He didn’t know it when he first stopped him; did he find out during the encounter? Watch this clip of the Ferguson police chief from earlier this morning describing the timeline. A description of the suspects in the robbery was allegedly sent out over police radio before Wilson encountered Brown. Maybe Wilson wasn’t paying attention to his radio or had it off or whatever. What if he turned it on while Brown was in the squad car, though, and suddenly realized who he had? What if Brown heard the radio broadcast too and panicked? I’m spitballing but who knew what and when will matter when a jury has to decide whose version of the shooting it believes.

Update: Sorry, bad facts in the last paragraph about Brown being inside the squad car. Here’s how the NYT describes what police say happened:

The police on Sunday said they were still trying to sort out the exact details, but they released what they said was the fullest account of the shooting that they could provide. Just after noon on Saturday, the police said, an officer in a patrol car approached Mr. Brown and another man. As the officer began to leave his vehicle, one of the men pushed the officer back into the car and “physically assaulted” him, according to the police department’s account.

A struggle occurred “over the officer’s weapon,” and at least one shot was fired inside the car, Chief Belmar said. The two left the car, and the officer shot Mr. Brown about 35 feet away from the vehicle, the police reported. Several shots were fired from the officer’s weapon.

Assuming Brown was the one who allegedly pushed Wilson, he may have been inside the car but he wasn’t sitting there listening to the police radio. Then again, if Wilson had the window down, the police radio may have been audible to both men while they were talking. If a description of Brown as the robbery suspect came across at the wrong time, it might have set both of them off.

Update: Verrrry strange that the Ferguson police chief wasn’t clearer during his presser about what Wilson did and didn’t know, but here you go. He told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch later that Darren Wilson appeared to have pieced together Brown’s involvement in the convenience store robbery while he was talking to him:

Jackson said the officer was aware cigars had been taken in the robbery of a store nearby, but did not know when he encountered Brown and Dorian Johnson that they might be suspects. He stopped them because they were walking in the street, Jackson said.

But Jackson told the Post-Dispatch that the officer, Darren Wilson, saw cigars in Brown’s hand and realized he might be the robber.

Did Wilson tell Brown that he suspected him of the robbery because of the cigars?


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Well duh! Did you just get done reading the comments from all the other Brown shooting threads?

UnstChem on August 15, 2014 at 4:43 PM

No, it shows that this “kid” was a thug, a hoodlum, and that he is physical.

Not some choir boy walking down street…

right2bright on August 15, 2014 at 4:43 PM

Why’d they release the surveillance footage then? The point, I thought, was to show that Darren Wilson wasn’t hassling Michael Brown and Dorian Johnson because they were black but because he knew they were suspects in a felony

To undercut the moral indignation at Michael Brown being killed, and to undermine the credibility of witnesses and his friend’s version of events which portray him in a good light, duh.

Stoic Patriot on August 15, 2014 at 4:44 PM

Officer didn’t know of the robbery, but Brown sure did.

ctmom on August 15, 2014 at 4:44 PM

oh, those rotten, bad racist cops trying to transform this churchgoing, thoughtful young honors student into a common street thug who would brutalize a poor, minimum-wage night clerk in order to rob the place of a pack of $3 cigars. impossible to believe.

anotherJoe on August 15, 2014 at 4:45 PM

“oops”

this dumb cracker is so fired.

everdiso on August 15, 2014 at 4:45 PM

This police chief is an idiot. He’s only made things worse.

ladyingray on August 15, 2014 at 4:45 PM

First, Mr. Johnson is not very reliable. Second, Mike Brown knew he had just robbed the store. What if he reacted in violent way toward the cop? I’m just asking…I know no more than anyone else.

d1carter on August 15, 2014 at 4:45 PM

No, it shows that this “kid” was a thug, a hoodlum, and that he is physical.

Not some choir boy walking down street…

right2bright on August 15, 2014 at 4:43 PM

In America thugs and hoodlums and even black people of all stripes of life have rights.

coolrepublica on August 15, 2014 at 4:46 PM

“Did you put your bullet in, Barney?”

portlandon on August 15, 2014 at 4:47 PM

So, the obvious conclusion to be drawn is: We still need more definitive information.

Bitter Clinger on August 15, 2014 at 4:47 PM

What ever the truth is, we definitely need more MRAPS and more camo pants for town police departments.

/lawandordersocalledconservative

SirGawain on August 15, 2014 at 4:48 PM

Holder must already be lining up the fed “civil rights” indictments. This guy is toast.

cdog0613 on August 15, 2014 at 4:48 PM

In America thugs and hoodlums and even black people of all stripes of life have rights.

coolrepublica on August 15, 2014 at 4:46 PM

Not if they’re trying to steal a loaded gun.

sentinelrules on August 15, 2014 at 4:49 PM

“oops”

this dumb cracker is so fired.

everdiso on August 15, 2014 at 4:45 PM

Sooooo, whose the racist now?

Bitter Clinger on August 15, 2014 at 4:49 PM

The chief is reporting what the officer told him. It is irrelevant if the officer had tried to detain Brown for a robbery investigation vs. telling Brown and the other guy to ge out of the street and Brown assaulting the cop.

Any person who grabs for your gun is obviously extremely dangerous.

Blake on August 15, 2014 at 4:50 PM

Maybe Allah can clarify. There were two encounters between the officer and Brown. In the first, the officer told him to get out of the street and drove away. The officer then drove back (in reverse), and the struggle ensued. When the chief said the officer didn’t know “initially,” did he mean 1) the officer didn’t know when he told them to get out of the road but knew when he came back and tried to apprehend Brown or 2) the officer had no knowledge whatsoever until after the shooting?

Infidoll on August 15, 2014 at 4:50 PM

Why all need to wait for the court proceedings.

Meanwhile the family speaks.

Schadenfreude on August 15, 2014 at 4:50 PM

This police chief is an idiot. He’s only made things worse.

ladyingray on August 15, 2014 at 4:45 PM

It was going to come out at some point. Don’t blame him.

jim56 on August 15, 2014 at 4:50 PM

In America thugs and hoodlums and even black people of all stripes of life have rights.

coolrepublica on August 15, 2014 at 4:46 PM

In America, white cops and white Hispanics have no rights. The unfortunates in this group are considered automatically guilty.

darwin on August 15, 2014 at 4:50 PM

Holder must already be lining up the fed “civil rights” indictments. This guy is toast.

cdog0613 on August 15, 2014 at 4:48 PM

Nonsense.

George Zimmerman has been waiting over a year for Holder’s “civil rights” indictments.

sentinelrules on August 15, 2014 at 4:50 PM

Ferguson Keystone KKKop Thomas Jackson

Ned Pepper on August 15, 2014 at 4:51 PM

In America thugs and hoodlums and even black people of all stripes of life have rights.

coolrepublica on August 15, 2014 at 4:46 PM

Yes, and store owners have a right to be free and safe.

You don’t rob, you don’t get in trouble.

Schadenfreude on August 15, 2014 at 4:51 PM

Officer didn’t know of the robbery, but Brown sure did.

ctmom on August 15, 2014 at 4:44 PM

That would explain why Brown might’ve done something that led to the cop opening fire. Geez, this really is Trayvon all over again. It was probably a justifiable shooting, but the shooter helped instigate the whole thing when he could’ve just as easily minded his own business.

Doughboy on August 15, 2014 at 4:52 PM

In America thugs and hoodlums and even black people and even cops of all stripes of life have rights.

coolrepublica on August 15, 2014 at 4:46 PM

Yeah, like the presumption of innocence in shooting incidents.

questionmark on August 15, 2014 at 4:52 PM

They released the info on Brown with photos, police report, etc due to FOIA requests from the media.

dforston on August 15, 2014 at 4:52 PM

So, where are all the apologies from the statists who bought into the “mis-reporting” here?

corona79 on August 15, 2014 at 4:52 PM

Allah, is there info suggesting that Brown was inside the police car? It was my understanding that the witnesses placed him outside the car grappling with the officer, who was inside the car. One female witness said something to the effect that it looked like the officer was trying to pull him in, while Brown had one hand on the door trying to push away.

cam2 on August 15, 2014 at 4:53 PM

George Zimmerman has been waiting over a year for Holder’s “civil rights” indictments.

sentinelrules on August 15, 2014 at 4:50 PM

Hehehehe

CW on August 15, 2014 at 4:53 PM

I’m spitballing but who knew what and when will matter when a jury has to decide whose version of the shooting it believes.

Until then, let’s riot and loot and burn down America
/Al Charlatan

burrata on August 15, 2014 at 4:54 PM

Nonsense.

George Zimmerman has been waiting over a year for Holder’s “civil rights” indictments.

sentinelrules on August 15, 2014 at 4:50 PM

True. But it was plainly obvious from the very beginning that the Zimmerman case all together was pure garbage. Not so much here. We need some more facts. (Not that it mattes to Holder et. al.)

cdog0613 on August 15, 2014 at 4:54 PM

I’m spitballing but who knew what and when will matter when a jury has to decide whose version of the shooting it believes.

So you’re assuming the cop will be charged? Even before the investigation is ongoing? How like the black animals out there claiming that Michael Brown was executed? At least stop at suggesting the Grand Jury is going have a hard time determining whether to indict or not.

Happy Nomad on August 15, 2014 at 4:54 PM

Sorry Allah, didn’t read your post to the end. You’d have thought, if the officer knew at some point during the encounter, the Chief would have clarified to misperception by now.

Infidoll on August 15, 2014 at 4:55 PM

A cop’s allowed to shoot a suspect who’s attempting to escape from custody if he reasonably believes (a) that deadly force is needed to make the arrest and (b) that the suspect committed a felony. He can’t use the convenience store robbery for the second part of that now.

He can’t use the store robbery, but he can use the assault on him (the cop) that occurred in the car when Brown allegedly tried to take his gun.

There are reports that the cop was assaulted by Brown during that incident, and that the cop has injuries to his face as a result. There are also reports that Brown tried to take the cop’s gun and that the gun discharged in the car. If Brown did strike the cop, and/or if he tried to shoot the cop with his own gun, those are felonies too.

AZCoyote on August 15, 2014 at 4:55 PM

Today has been a good day.

I haven’t seen so many deflated, whining liberals since the Hobby Lobby decision.

Today has been a good day.

sentinelrules on August 15, 2014 at 4:55 PM

If the video is accurate he not only stole from the store he assaulted someone. So yes his frame of mind would likely be affected being confronted by a cop.

CW on August 15, 2014 at 4:55 PM

Reading comprehension is your friend, Allahpundit.

He can’t use the convenience store robbery for the second part of that now.

Why not? This is what the police chief said MULTIPLE TIMES!

Police chief repeats multiple times: Officer who shot Michael Brown was not aware of robbery when he made initial contact

Initial contact. Read that over and over again. Initial contact.

How about this.

1) Cop see’s jaywalkers.
2) Cop stops jaywalkers for jay walking.
3) Cop gets ID’s of Jaywalkers.
4) Cop finds out they are suspects in a robbery.
5) Cop makes arrest.

Do I know that happened? Nope. But I’m not stupid enough to say he can no longer use it as a defense.

Baggi on August 15, 2014 at 4:55 PM

A cop’s allowed to shoot a suspect who’s attempting to escape from custody if he reasonably believes (a) that deadly force is needed to make the arrest and (b) that the suspect committed a felony.

But assaulting an officer is a felony, as is trying to steal his gun. Now, we do not yet know if Brown was actually trying to surrender.

rbj on August 15, 2014 at 4:55 PM

This police chief is an idiot. He’s only made things worse.

ladyingray on August 15, 2014 at 4:45 PM

Yes, in that we’re still only getting sketchy details about what happened between Wilson and Brown. At least he’s showing credibility in not trying to tie Wilson’s stop of Brown directly to the robbery. But it would be nice to have the Ferguson PD’s complete timeline of events with full details. At some point, we will get that but it may not be soon.

Bitter Clinger on August 15, 2014 at 4:55 PM

Wait a sec….we just spent the last hour discussing this very subject on the other thread.
Al Gore :sigh:

HornetSting on August 15, 2014 at 5:00 PM

Ferguson police chief says initial contact with Brown wasn’t connected to robbery

So? What difference does it make what the original stop was for? You would think that someone who just robbed a store would know better than to be walking down the middle of the street blocking traffic to the point that the police had to get involved. Everything we know about this criminal so far shows that he had utter contempt for the rule of law or common decency. We now know that he had committed several crimes before he was stopped and that he liked to confront and intimidate people as he committed multiple felonies. Who cares what the original stop was for and what difference does it make? A criminal has been removed from the public.

HotAirian on August 15, 2014 at 5:00 PM

Why is it that time seems to stop for people the instant contact is made?

Allah? Is it possible that the officer reported the contact? ID’d these two, or attempted to? Is it possible that in reporting the contact, the desk reported that these two fit the description of two recent robbers?

Sheesh.

BKeyser on August 15, 2014 at 5:02 PM

Ferguson Keystone KKKop Thomas Jackson

Ned Pepper on August 15, 2014 at 4:51 PM

Did you copy that off DKos too?

TarheelBen on August 15, 2014 at 5:02 PM

It was going to come out at some point. Don’t blame him.

jim56 on August 15, 2014 at 4:50 PM

I’m talking about his skill at managing the dissemination of information. He’s incompetent in handling it.

ladyingray on August 15, 2014 at 5:03 PM

I’m spitballing but who knew what and when will matter when a jury has to decide whose version of the shooting it believes.

Not as much as race will if the jury is mostly black. But then everyone already knows that.

VorDaj on August 15, 2014 at 5:03 PM

1) Cop see’s jaywalkers.
2) Cop stops jaywalkers for jay walking.
3) Cop gets ID’s of Jaywalkers.
4) Cop finds out they are suspects in a robbery.
5) Cop makes arrest.

Do I know that happened? Nope. But I’m not stupid enough to say he can no longer use it as a defense.

Baggi on August 15, 2014 at 4:55 PM

Excellent points all around. The key will be WHEN he found out about robbery. I could easily foresee a scenario where he found out about the robbery during the course of contact for “jaywalking”, made an attempt to arrest for the robbery, the suspect grabs for the officer’s gun, a struggle ensues, and….well you know the rest.

cdog0613 on August 15, 2014 at 5:03 PM

The Chief needs to put out the entire story, not just pieces and parts. The entire story will shed the proper light.

Tater Salad on August 15, 2014 at 5:03 PM

So why’d they release the footage?

Because the national media demanded the release by an FOI request. Even the Brown family are calling for calmness and sanity. Let the investigation go forward and tell the NATIONAL MEDIA TO GO HOME!

Rovin on August 15, 2014 at 5:03 PM

Sales are up.

Jackson and Sharpton are goof for guns ‘n ammo.

Schadenfreude on August 15, 2014 at 5:04 PM

How many times was Brown shot?

Was he shot after he was on the ground, already riddled with bullets?

This pig just wanted to kill someone.

Aquateen Hungerforce on August 15, 2014 at 5:04 PM

In America thugs and hoodlums and even black people of all stripes of life have rights.

coolrepublica on August 15, 2014 at 4:46 PM

And resisting arrest or attacking a police officer / trying to get that officer’s weapon reduces those rights…because the police also have rights.

Even leftard DeBlasio of NYC is on record saying to not resist arrest or attack police officers – that one’s rights are intact and will be fully honored in the judicial process.

But Cool, like other fascists, believe that one groups rights are superior to the rights of another group – particularly if they don’t like that other group.

Athos on August 15, 2014 at 5:05 PM

This pig just wanted to kill someone.

Aquateen Hungerforce on August 15, 2014 at 5:04 PM

Maybe stop celebrating pig brutality and murder

Aquateen Hungerforce on August 15, 2014 at 4:51 PM

Take your own advice, choomed one.

Schadenfreude on August 15, 2014 at 5:06 PM

So why’d they release the footage?

Because the national media demanded the release by an FOI request. Even the Brown family are calling for calmness and sanity. Let the investigation go forward and tell the NATIONAL MEDIA TO GO HOME!

Rovin on August 15, 2014 at 5:03 PM

Did you see the latest conference by Brown/Attorneys….there’s going to be a sixth night of violence.
Not to mention the geniuses accusing the police of photoshopping the video.

HornetSting on August 15, 2014 at 5:07 PM

I’m spitballing but who knew what and when will matter when a jury has to decide whose version of the shooting it believes.

.
You left spitballing WAY BEHIND in the rear view mirror, AP.

The surveillance video shows Michael Brown push the clerk one time when the clerk confronts him for what is normally classified as shoplifting – not the robbery term which is usually used for a theft of cash through the use of force. The cigars taken would not generate a felony charge anywhere in this country.

“Shoplifting” is extremely common and viewed as No Big Deal by the under 30 crowd of all races and income levels. Doesn’t matter what WE think about it, but it is NOT something the police usually get involved in.

The “justice system” in this day and age would only arrest Michael Brown for the assault IF the store clerk insisted on pressing charges and the video would most likely DETER a prosecuting attorney from wanting to BOTHER a judge with the case.

It would be pled down to a fine. Most teenagers and young adults these days in urban areas are well aware they would just get a slap on the wrist if charges were pressed … which makes a COUNTER case with regard to motivation for Michael Brown to try to grab the officer’s gun.

At this point, we know NOTHING of any substantial factual basis with regards to why a routine police interaction went so wrong.

The police administration in Ferguson is inept, at best. Saying they have been ridiculously slow in providing information is an understatement.

PolAgnostic on August 15, 2014 at 5:07 PM

The Chief needs to put out the entire story, not just pieces and parts. The entire story will shed the proper light.

Tater Salad on August 15, 2014 at 5:03 PM

It’s my understanding that the Chief has nothing to do with the ongoing investigation—the County officials and the FBI are doing this. The “Chief” should not be doing any more press conferences in my opinion, since he’s not any longer involved in processing facts.

Rovin on August 15, 2014 at 5:08 PM

In America thugs and hoodlums and even black people of all stripes of life have rights.

[coolrepublica on August 15, 2014 at 4:46 PM]

As do police officers. While I’m not positive about what R2B is responding to, the fact that Brown was not only no angel, but had recently left the scene of a crime he committed, colors the events in a way that is not good for Brown. If Wilson’s character turns out to be good, it’ll be all that much harder to sympathize with Brown or believe Johnson for that matter.

That’s one reason, I suspect, that Johnson admitted to the two being the two in the Quik Trip video. Denying it in any way will stain any and all other testimony he might offer as to the events in the meetup with Wilson.

Dusty on August 15, 2014 at 5:08 PM

How many times was Brown shot?

Was he shot after he was on the ground, already riddled with bullets?

This pig just wanted to kill someone.

Aquateen Hungerforce on August 15, 2014 at 5:04 PM

I want my husband to come home safe tonight.
He’s not a pig.
Just stop already.

HornetSting on August 15, 2014 at 5:08 PM

It sure would be interesting to hear the police dispatch tapes after the store clerk called 911…

Seven Percent Solution on August 15, 2014 at 5:09 PM

The Chief needs to put out the entire story, not just pieces and parts. The entire story will shed the proper light.

Tater Salad on August 15, 2014 at 5:03 PM

This is the biggest problem of all. No doubt, they’re still conducting a departmental investigation of the shooting. But they need to either put out a fuller account of the story or put out nothing more than a “we’re still investigating” blurb. This drip-drip-drip just isn’t cutting it.

Bitter Clinger on August 15, 2014 at 5:09 PM

Clown said “Pig” bottoms up .

Don’t drink too much though. There will be plenty of chances. We don’t want anyone getting too drunk especially when it comes to tipping time.

CW on August 15, 2014 at 5:09 PM

This pig just wanted to kill someone.

Aquateen Hungerforce on August 15, 2014 at 5:04 PM

Is this Charles Manson, or a wanked out New Black Panther Party racist fascist posting?

Either way, the IQ is well below room temp….oh, hi Jimbo….

Athos on August 15, 2014 at 5:09 PM

Hot D*mns:

https://twitter.com/WesleyLowery

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Police chief repeats multiple times: Officer who shot Michael Brown was not aware of robbery when he made initial contact

canopfor on August 15, 2014 at 5:10 PM

Let’s do this like a kids game of duck duck goose.

If I post PIG you cannot drink, if you do you lose.

When Clown posts PIG you drink.

There are no losers in liberal world so you can keep playing even if you lose.

Clown on people!

CW on August 15, 2014 at 5:11 PM

Did you see the latest conference by Brown/Attorneys….there’s going to be a sixth night of violence.
Not to mention the geniuses accusing the police of photoshopping the video.

HornetSting on August 15, 2014 at 5:07 PM

Yep, I did Sting. And the media is eating up and repeating tons of speculation, not facts.

Rovin on August 15, 2014 at 5:11 PM

Aquateen Hungerforce on August 15, 2014 at 5:09 PM

Looks like the wanker is begging for a ban-hammer….

Athos on August 15, 2014 at 5:11 PM

How many times was Brown shot?

Was he shot after he was on the ground, already riddled with bullets?

This pig just wanted to kill someone.

Aquateen Hungerforce on August 15, 2014 at 5:04 PM

Speaking of pigs, you are the biggest one around here. Actually, you are lower than pigs. More like a mosquito.

Bitter Clinger on August 15, 2014 at 5:11 PM

Aquateen Hungerforce on August 15, 2014 at 5:04 PM

What rock did you crawl out from under?

TarheelBen on August 15, 2014 at 5:12 PM

Aug 15, 2014 at 4:55 pm Bitter Clinger
This police chief is an idiot. He’s only made things worse.
ladyingray on August 15, 2014 at 4:45 PM
Yes, in that we’re still only getting sketchy details about what happened between Wilson and Brown. At least he’s showing credibility in not trying to tie Wilson’s stop of Brown directly to the robbery. But it would be nice to have the Ferguson PD’s complete timeline of events with full details. At some point, we will get that but it may not be soon.

He’s hurting his credibility by releasing information discrediting Brown while failing to release documents such as the officer’s incident report and the autopsy that could help test the veracity of the officer’s version of events.

cam2 on August 15, 2014 at 5:12 PM

So why’d they release the footage? Seems like they did it not to suggest something about Wilson’s state of mind in arresting Brown but something about Brown’s state of mind in being arrested by Wilson.

Good grief. The released the video because it is obviously relevant to the rest of the case. If they had not released it the question would have been ‘why are you hiding this evidence’?

slickwillie2001 on August 15, 2014 at 5:13 PM

[Aquateen Hungerforce on August 15, 2014 at 5:04 PM]

You are sooo lame. Not only are you not persuasive, you’re not even good at promoting outrage with your comment. Either take some classes so you can learn how to be good at it, or hire a sockpuppet to do your work for you.

Dusty on August 15, 2014 at 5:13 PM

HornetSting on August 15, 2014 at 5:08 PM

Please tell your pig husband not to indiscriminately kill anyone tonight. Or any night. In fact, tell him to get a real job.

Aquateen Hungerforce on August 15, 2014 at 5:09 PM

Do you know what a police officer goes through after a shooting? The investigation, even if it is considered a clean shoot? It us a thorough cleaning and takes many, many months.
Police officers carry a weapon for a reason.
He has a job. A thankless job. It is a tough job.

HornetSting on August 15, 2014 at 5:13 PM

Even the Brown family are calling for calmness and sanity.
Rovin on August 15, 2014 at 5:03 PM

In a very left-handed way. The spox said the video was released to fuel anger – but, y’know, don’t riot.

I expect rioting tonight.

whatcat on August 15, 2014 at 5:13 PM

Please tell your pig husband not to indiscriminately kill anyone tonight. Or any night. In fact, tell him to get a real job.

Aquateen Hungerforce on August 15, 2014 at 5:09 PM

Good point. We should have cities and towns that are police free. You will no doubt, choose to live in one of those cities and feel completely safe.

Start your petition now with your hometown. Your neighbors will thank you.

darwin on August 15, 2014 at 5:13 PM

tThis feels like Treyvon Martin and George Ziimmerman all over again. Just hope that Missouri handles things better than Florida did. But, we have many of the same players back for Act II.

Techster64 on August 15, 2014 at 5:13 PM

Capitalist hog, raise your hand.

Schadenfreude on August 15, 2014 at 5:13 PM

Please tell your pig husband not to indiscriminately kill anyone tonight. Or any night. In fact, tell him to get a real job.

Aquateen Hungerforce on August 15, 2014 at 5:09 PM

I hope for your sake no one ever assaults you or breaks into your home. Because you certainly have no respect for the people who would look into it on your behalf.

Bitter Clinger on August 15, 2014 at 5:14 PM

tell him to get a real job.

Aquateen Hungerforce on August 15, 2014 at 5:09 PM

That’s rich coming from a clown.

CW on August 15, 2014 at 5:14 PM

cam2 on August 15, 2014 at 5:12 PM

Good point, the incident report and autopsy report should be released.

Athos on August 15, 2014 at 5:14 PM

Did you see the latest conference by Brown/Attorneys….there’s going to be a sixth night of violence.
Not to mention the geniuses accusing the police of photoshopping the video.

HornetSting on August 15, 2014 at 5:07 PM

Yep, I did Sting. And the media is eating up and repeating tons of speculation, not facts.

Rovin on August 15, 2014 at 5:11 PM

Agreed, Rovin. Agreed.

HornetSting on August 15, 2014 at 5:14 PM

Capitalist hog, raise your hand.

Schadenfreude on August 15, 2014 at 5:13 PM

heh.

CW on August 15, 2014 at 5:14 PM

The things that seem relevant to the crim symps is funny. They are looking for anything.

Buddahpundit on August 15, 2014 at 5:15 PM

In America thugs and hoodlums and even black people of all stripes of life have rights.

coolrepublica on August 15, 2014 at 4:46 PM

I think you’ll find those right greatly diminished once you assault a police officer. Don’t believe me? Give it a try! I’ll wait.

stvnscott on August 15, 2014 at 5:16 PM

I hope for your sake no one ever assaults you or breaks into your home. Because you certainly have no respect for the people who would look into it on your behalf.

Bitter Clinger on August 15, 2014 at 5:14 PM

Ha! That’s a good one. It’s weird you think the pigs “look into” anything on my “behalf.”

Pigs exist to collect revenue for the corporations they are employees of. That and harass decent citizens going about their business.

When there is any actual danger, pigs tend to run away. Unless they know they can get away with murder.

Aquateen Hungerforce on August 15, 2014 at 5:16 PM

Good point. We should have cities and towns that are police free. You will no doubt, choose to live in one of those cities and feel completely safe.

Start your petition now with your hometown. Your neighbors will thank you.

darwin on August 15, 2014 at 5:13 PM

I am sure he will be right on it.

CW on August 15, 2014 at 5:16 PM

He has a job. A thankless job. It is a tough job.

HornetSting on August 15, 2014 at 5:13 PM

Please ignore Aqua nutcase and tell your husband thanks from me.

darwin on August 15, 2014 at 5:16 PM

So what . . . his subsequent behavior and that of the police officer probably have a direct connection to his recent, criminal behavior. This issue is far from over and the quick condemnation of the police officer is typical left, anti authority crap.

rplat on August 15, 2014 at 5:17 PM

Good grief. The released the video because it is obviously relevant to the rest of the case. If they had not released it the question would have been ‘why are you hiding this evidence’?

slickwillie2001 on August 15, 2014 at 5:13 PM

Aside from everyone was asking for it to be released. And FOI demands were flying for it. Yeah, that wasn’t quite AP’s shining moment in querydom.

whatcat on August 15, 2014 at 5:17 PM

Hey Clown, per WIKI there are three N. American types of clowns.

The Hobo: Migratory and finds work where he travels. Down on his luck but maintains a positive attitude.

The Tramp: Migratory and does not work where he travels. Down on his luck and depressed about his situation.

The Bum: Non-migratory and non-working.

I take you as the BUM type.

CW on August 15, 2014 at 5:17 PM

HornetSting on August 15, 2014 at 5:13 PM

Unfortunately, the troll doesn’t care in the least.

He has his hate, his volumes of misinformation, his asshattery, his projection, and is likely little more than a sociopath.

He deserves both pity and contempt…and if not a ban-hammer, then a good GAZE from all of us. Maybe it will return to Stormfront or Kos or DU or Indymedia….

Athos on August 15, 2014 at 5:18 PM

Oh and Clown you have a little something dribbling down your chin. Sure you don’t need a Kleenex?

I bet you’re mommy is tiring of your grunting and cursing. She likely will call child welfare on herself soon enough for her failure.

CW on August 15, 2014 at 5:19 PM

That and harass decent citizens going about their business.

Aquateen Hungerforce on August 15, 2014 at 5:16 PM

Well since you’re not decent you have nothing to fear.

darwin on August 15, 2014 at 5:19 PM

Please ignore Aqua nutcase and tell your husband thanks from me.

darwin on August 15, 2014 at 5:16 PM

+100

Athos on August 15, 2014 at 5:19 PM

Ha! That’s a good one. It’s weird you think the pigs “look into” anything on my “behalf.”

Pigs exist to collect revenue for the corporations they are employees of. That and harass decent citizens going about their business.

When there is any actual danger, pigs tend to run away. Unless they know they can get away with murder.

Aquateen Hungerforce on August 15, 2014 at 5:16 PM

Yeah, I’m sure you would never dial 911 if faced with an imminent threat, tough guy.

Bitter Clinger on August 15, 2014 at 5:19 PM

Word of the Day: Timeline.

Expression of the Day: What did they know, and when did they know it.

Regardless, the looting was an inexcusable disgrace.

BuckeyeSam on August 15, 2014 at 5:20 PM

And purely as a PR matter, it’s obviously harder for Wilson and the PD to defend a lethal encounter that began with a stop for jaywalking than one that began with a stop for robbery.

This is the first use of the term “jaywalking” that I recall in this case, and it’s not what has been previously reported. “Jaywalking” is crossing the street to get to the other side outside of crossing areas, roughly at a right angle to the street.

All previous reports have said the officer stopped them for “walking on the street” and thereby impeding traffic. I took that to mean walking in the direction of the street. Thus the request to “walk on the f’n sidewalk”.

This is a significant difference. Can we get this right?

slickwillie2001 on August 15, 2014 at 5:20 PM

Pigs exist to collect revenue for the corporations they are employees of. That and harass decent citizens going about their business.

When there is any actual danger, pigs tend to run away. Unless they know they can get away with murder.

Cartoon Network on August 15, 2014 at 5:16 PM

You were afraid to answer my simple question in the other thread, so let me try again.

Why do you call law enforcement officers “pigs”? Are you a leftover hippie from the 1960s?

Del Dolemonte on August 15, 2014 at 5:20 PM

I hope for your sake no one ever assaults you or breaks into your home. Because you certainly have no respect for the people who would look into it on your behalf.

Bitter Clinger on August 15, 2014 at 5:14 PM

Ha! That’s a good one. It’s weird you think the pigs “look into” anything on my “behalf.”

Pigs exist to collect revenue for the corporations they are employees of. That and harass decent citizens going about their business.

When there is any actual danger, pigs tend to run away. Unless they know they can get away with murder.

Aquateen Hungerforce on August 15, 2014 at 5:16 PM

105 officers killed in the line of duty in 2013.
126 officers killed in the line of duty in 2012.
179 officers killed in the line of duty in 2011.
They run toward danger. Not away.

HornetSting on August 15, 2014 at 5:21 PM

How stupid is everyone.

1) Wilson responds to robbery call

2) Wilson has no idea who the suspect is

3) Wilson finds him in the middle of the street

faraway on August 15, 2014 at 5:21 PM

Aquateen Hungerforce on August 15, 2014 at 5:16 PM

My goodness. You’re a warped, sick one.

TarheelBen on August 15, 2014 at 5:21 PM

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