Video: The Michael Brown surveillance footage

posted at 2:01 pm on August 15, 2014 by Allahpundit

Via Gateway Pundit, there’s no sound and the video doesn’t include the confrontation between Brown and the convenience store owner of which everyone’s now seen still photos, but America’s hungry for new scraps of information so here you go. You do see Brown reach across the counter here and then step back with something in his hand; you also see the store owner come around the counter and follow him out as Brown goes to leave. You don’t see what happens next but other customers in the store seem to be focused on the two men off-camera. Presumably that’s when the alleged robbery happened.

One other interesting note: You don’t get a good look at his face but Brown’s companion has a haircut similar to Dorian Johnson’s, the friend of Brown who was with him when the shooting happened. Is that Johnson in the store with him? I ask because every interview I’ve seen with him begins with Johnson saying that he and Brown were simply walking down the street (“we wasn’t causing any harm to nobody”) when Darren Wilson rolled up on them and said “Get the f*** on the sidewalk” out of the blue. That made it sound like some cop had decided to harass two black kids for no particular reason. If Brown was the suspect in a robbery, though, and Johnson had reason to know that, then obviously Johnson’s version of what happened is, shall we say, selective. That doesn’t mean his account of the actual shooting is a lie but a defense attorney will have a field day with it.

By the way, has anyone in the media interviewed the convenience store owner? I can understand why he’d want to lie low but he’s the best source of information out there right now on what happened. Was it a robbery or was it, as MSNBC has grandly taken to calling it, a mere “scuffle”?

Update: And here’s footage of the actual confrontation. It looks like the store owner goes to block the door and Brown pushes him out of the way. Then the store owner reaches for him as he’s leaving and Brown steps toward him before the guy backs off.

Update: Yep, that’s Dorian Johnson in the vid with Brown.

An incident report said surveillance cameras captured video of Michael Brown going into a convenience store in the St. Louis suburb of Ferguson, Missouri, just before noon Saturday, August 9, 2014. Brown is seen handing a box of Swisher Sweets to Dorian Johnson and then “an apparent struggle or confrontation seems to take place with Brown” and a store clerk, the report said.

Johnson reportedly returned the cigars to the counter. The clerk then tried to stop him when Brown allegedly tried to leave the store with a box of Swisher Sweets in his hand.

The report said another confrontation ensued, during which “Brown, still holding a box (of) Swisher Sweets in his right hand, grabs (the clerk) by the shirt with his left hand. Brown aggressively pulls (the clerk) in close to him and then immediately pushes him back in to a display rack. Johnson continues out the door and out of camera frame. (The clerk), no longer between Brown and the door, stops and watches Brown as he walks towards the exit door. Brown then abruptly turns back around and advances on (the clerk). Brown towers over (the clerk) appearing to intimidate him. Brown then turns back around and walks out of camera view.”


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He was and ALWAYS had been 18. In fact that’s why the news said he had no ADULT criminal record because he had just turned 18 shortly before the incident and this would have been his first adult charge.

MobileVideoEngineer on August 15, 2014 at 3:42 PM

I’m a glass half full kind of guy.

cozmo on August 15, 2014 at 3:37 PM

You started drinkin’ too soon – QOTD is at least 3-4 hours from now.

whatcat on August 15, 2014 at 3:42 PM

Which means they likely won’t be able to rely on the law that allows for deadly force to be used while apprehending someone who committed a forcible robbery.

jim56 on August 15, 2014 at 3:28 PM

Actually, using Deadly Force can be used IF the officer was in such a dire situation or a imminent loss of his life, that doing so was his only option.

BlaxPac on August 15, 2014 at 3:44 PM

Does anyone know if this is the Quick Trip store…?

d1carter on August 15, 2014 at 2:59 PM

According to other news reports, this is the Quick Trip store that was vandalized in the riots.

talkingpoints on August 15, 2014 at 3:44 PM

Don’t most school districts use an August or September cutoff for kindergarten?

jim56 on August 15, 2014 at 3:38 PM

Wait you went to college??? Could have fooled all of us.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 15, 2014 at 3:40 PM

I read as him being unsure on which month he starts attending kindergarten.

whatcat on August 15, 2014 at 3:45 PM

He was and ALWAYS had been 18. In fact that’s why the news said he had no ADULT criminal record because he had just turned 18 shortly before the incident and this would have been his first adult charge.

MobileVideoEngineer on August 15, 2014 at 3:42 PM

Thought so.

sentinelrules on August 15, 2014 at 3:45 PM

I’m a glass half full kind of guy.

cozmo on August 15, 2014 at 3:37 PM

Heh.

There IS no glass, Neo.

Open your eyes!

BlaxPac on August 15, 2014 at 3:48 PM

The police summarily killed Brown without due process, and what they did would be just as criminal if he’d been a drug addict or frequented strip clubs or whatever.

In cases of taking a human life, the burden of proof should be on the ones taking that life, not the one whose life was taken.

Brown is not on trial here, nor should he be. It’s up to the cops to explain to us what happened, to provide proof that what they did was justified. If they can’t do that satisfactorily, they should be punished. It’s simple as that.

Ned Pepper on August 15, 2014 at 3:28 PM

While true, it does not mean that Brown’s actions and past are not relevant. If the story is that the cop stopped Brown (apparently not knowing Brown was a suspect in the robbery) and Brown reacted violently, that could explain some things.

So, does Brown have a violent history? That is a valid question. Was Brown on drugs at the time, that is a valid question.

The media/left have for days been presenting the picture of a sweet, little, teenage boy who was murdered for no reason on the street.

Now, it turns out, the sweet, little, teenage boy was a large, 6′ 4″ man, who had just openly and brazenly robbed a store.

so, narratives do matter – which is why the left has pushed the narrative of a “good” and “teenage” boy, as opposed to a nearly 300 lb man who robs stores.

that he is large and had just robbed a store doesn’t mean he deserved to get shot to death. But it does add context into what happened. And will likely add more context as we learn further details of what happened.

It may certainly be that shooting was completely unjustified, but it may be that the shooting was justified. We don’t know.

We do know the riots are unjustified. Anyone who was harmed or had property destroyed/stolen during the riots did not deserve that.

Monkeytoe on August 15, 2014 at 3:49 PM

He was and ALWAYS had been 18. . . .

MobileVideoEngineer on August 15, 2014 at 3:42 PM

Dorian Gray?

Monkeytoe on August 15, 2014 at 3:51 PM

Except there’s no report on that part of this situation.

jim56 on August 15, 2014 at 3:39 PM

Yet you seem willing to exclude a justifiable use of force scenario in the absence of full information. Why would you do that?

If he’s willing to assault an elderly store owner for a handful of cheap cigars, what is he prepared to do to stay out of jail?

I don’t know what happened, and neither do you. There are a range of possibilities and I don’t rule any of them out. But don’t pretend a 6’4″ 300 lb thug who has committed a strong arm robbery and assaulted an elderly store owner within the hour has no reason to fear arrest on contact with the police, no propensity to acts of violence, and didn’t pose a deadly threat if he assaulted that police officer.

novaculus on August 15, 2014 at 3:52 PM

“Brown could have been my son”

right2bright on August 15, 2014 at 3:58 PM

whatcat on August 15, 2014 at 3:42 PM

Bite me

BlaxPac on August 15, 2014 at 3:48 PM

Bite me

In fact, everybody just bite each other.

I’m in a very good mood and y’all ain’t gonna’ harsh my mellow.

I won’t even go after the bluegilled hagfish ’til later. That is how good of a mood I am in.

cozmo on August 15, 2014 at 3:59 PM

Nothing like photographic evidence.

Actually, using Deadly Force can be used IF the officer was in such a dire situation or a imminent loss of his life, that doing so was his only option.

BlaxPac on August 15, 2014 at 3:44 PM

If you’ve been clocked by some 6′ 4″ 300 lb dude that just hit a convenience store (is the cop still in the hospital?), yeah, you probably do think it’s on the line.

formwiz on August 15, 2014 at 3:59 PM

novaculus on August 15, 2014 at 3:37 PM

.
Quote from press conference via canopfor above says the officer was NOT aware of the QT incident.

Wesley Lowery @WesleyLowery · 8s

Police chief repeats multiple times: Officer who shot Michael Brown was not aware of robbery when he made initial contact

PolAgnostic on August 15, 2014 at 4:00 PM

Here in the PNW in the year 2002 there was a street scuffle with decidedly different results. The perp was pepper sprayed which did not prevent him from tackling the officer causing his gun to fall out of the holster. The miscreant retrieved the weapon and emptied the contents into the officer. The officer used restraint and paid the price, had he shot the unarmed man he also would have lost. There were dozens of crying witnesses that had things went the other way, would have shifted their empathy.

Steady_Rest on August 15, 2014 at 4:03 PM

You started drinkin’ too soon – QOTD is at least 3-4 hours from now.

whatcat on August 15, 2014 at 3:42 PM


Well … cozmo’s also a “pants off” kind of guy come the weekend …

… it’s undoubtedly a complex process – his pant’s maybe half off … he may be half in the bag …

… we just need to wait for the video.

;->

PolAgnostic on August 15, 2014 at 4:04 PM

It’s unusual for a 17 year old to go to college. Wasn’t he starting college now?

jim56 on August 15, 2014 at 3:31 PM

Kids here in Colorado can start taking college classes without waivers (and many do) after their HS Sophomore year.

UnstChem on August 15, 2014 at 4:05 PM

Which means they likely won’t be able to rely on the law that allows for deadly force to be used while apprehending someone who committed a forcible robbery.

jim56 on August 15, 2014 at 3:28 PM

It’s a Fox News/Rush Limbaugh lie that fists and feet are used more than guns to kill people in this country, right?

UnstChem on August 15, 2014 at 4:08 PM

A few years back I was watching an NBC reporter doing a live interview with a Cuban store owner whose business had just been burned down during the Liberty City riots.
She asked him why he thought that blacks who had been here so much longer than Cubans were still living in such poor conditions and were unemployed.
He answered “because they’re lazy and violent.”
Needless to say the interview abruptly ended.

bluesdoc70 on August 15, 2014 at 4:10 PM

Here is the link to the story..

Steady_Rest on August 15, 2014 at 4:11 PM

PolAgnostic on August 15, 2014 at 4:00 PM

I’m fully aware of that fact. All the officer who shot Brown may have known is that he stopped two knuckleheads walking down the middle of the road and was suddenly assaulted by a 6’4″ 300 lb thug.

He may well not have known that thug had just committed a strong arm robbery, feared arrest and understood that having passed his 18th birthday he was looking at something substantially worse than juvie.

But if that giant is clubbing him and trying to take his weapon, the officer doesn’t need to know anything else. The thug is a deadly threat to the officer and to the community, and the officer’s use of force was justified even if the guy was fleeing.

novaculus on August 15, 2014 at 4:12 PM

Brown is not on trial here, nor should he be. It’s up to the cops to explain to us what happened, to provide proof that what they did was justified. If they can’t do that satisfactorily, they should be punished. It’s simple as that.

Ned Pepper on August 15, 2014 at 3:28 PM

Absolutely, the cop needs to justify the shooting, but the cop is still innocent until proven guilty. There are far too many incidents of cops lying about the situation in order to justify their actions. Hopefully, we can get enough information to make a definitive determination either way.

corkie on August 15, 2014 at 4:12 PM

Kids here in Colorado can start taking college classes without waivers (and many do) after their HS Sophomore year.

UnstChem on August 15, 2014 at 4:05 PM

Oh Yeah? Here in Texas we have Early college High School where a kid can have their first two years of college under their belt before graduating high school. My 14 year old daughter just finished the TSI test (Texas equivalent of the SAT) scoring as a high school senior. She will have real college classes as a 9th grader.

cozmo on August 15, 2014 at 4:13 PM

So… I still don’t understand why the kid had to die.

He had an altercation and robbed a store, but that is rarely a death sentence… at least in non-Muslim countries.

He is a very big kid, and I can see how that could be intimidating, but a cop should be up to the task of dealing with a very big teen ager.

There really is no excuse for killing him.

But that does not excuse the violence that has come after either.

I assume there will be a trial or what ever happens when a policeman kills someone. I hope that punishment is in line with the seriousness of taking the life a teenager, even a wayward teen ager.

petunia on August 15, 2014 at 4:20 PM

Somebody better quickly dust off some video of Michael Brown, perhaps some cute footage of him at around the age of 12 or 13 or so, showing him smiling and politely holding the door for his grandmother at a family birthday party.

Something! The college talk is a start, but the narrative here is just slipping away far too quickly! What are “family attorney’s” coming to these days? Don’t they know what their job is? Scheesh!

Also, maybe NBC (or ABC) can do some creative editing of these video tapes to suggest that the store owner was just joshing with Brown and Johnson about the Swisher Sweets. Perhaps they could do a lengthy interview with the store owner and then edit it way down and in key spots to suggest that he had really wanted those two fine young men to have those cigars free of charge.

Plus, once a photo or photos of the officer’s injury(s) are released, the networks will have to immediately put their “photoshop” experts to work reducing the visible injury(s) to nothing more than a mere scratch or two, ones that he could have easily gotten elsewhere.

Trochilus on August 15, 2014 at 4:22 PM

This is an American tragedy. It truly is.

The rioting is wrong. Of course, but that kid, died because he stole some cigars? Wow. That is really really sad.

petunia on August 15, 2014 at 4:22 PM

If they had video of the struggle (in the police car), it would not calm anyone down.
If they had video of Michael Brown actually assaulting the officer, it would not calm anyone down.
The people who are taking to the streets don’t want to be ‘calmed down’.
If Michael Brown’s parents came forward and said that their son was a thug wannabe, and that the cop was acting in self-defense….it wouldn’t calm anyone down.

The people rioting don’t care about the facts, they have co-opted this incident as an excuse for lawlessness.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 15, 2014 at 4:23 PM

So… I still don’t understand why the kid had to die.

He had an altercation and robbed a store, but that is rarely a death sentence… at least in non-Muslim countries.

He is a very big kid, and I can see how that could be intimidating, but a cop should be up to the task of dealing with a very big teen ager.

There really is no excuse for killing him.

But that does not excuse the violence that has come after either.

I assume there will be a trial or what ever happens when a policeman kills someone. I hope that punishment is in line with the seriousness of taking the life a teenager, even a wayward teen ager.

petunia on August 15, 2014 at 4:20 PM

You keep posting the same sh.it numerous times. We get it. But why don’t you just wait for the facts to come out specific to the shooting before all the conjecture.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 15, 2014 at 4:25 PM

We do know the riots are unjustified. Anyone who was harmed or had property destroyed/stolen during the riots did not deserve that.

Monkeytoe on August 15, 2014 at 3:49 PM

We also know that the militarized law enforcement response towards peaceful protestors, private property owners, and journalists was unjustified. Any non-rioter who was threatened, gassed, or arrested by jumped-up mall ninjas did not deserve that.

Centerfire on August 15, 2014 at 4:25 PM

Trochilus on August 15, 2014 at 4:22 PM

You think stealing cigars should get a death sentence? Or that a cop shouldn’t be trained to deal with a violent teen? Even a really really really big violent teen?

This killing was not justified by the video of him committing a small robbery. Not in the least.

I am not excusing the riots either. That was totally opportunist criminal behavior. And should be punished strongly too.

But this kid died over some cigars! That is shocking!!! His life is done, he has not future life on Earth, because he stole some cigars! That should not be.

petunia on August 15, 2014 at 4:26 PM

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 15, 2014 at 4:25 PM

Petunia is an attention whore.

cozmo on August 15, 2014 at 4:26 PM

Wesley Lowery @WesleyLowery · 8s

Police chief repeats multiple times: Officer who shot Michael Brown was not aware of robbery when he made initial contact
PolAgnostic on August 15, 2014 at 4:00 PM

Doesn’t mean the suspect wasn’t.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 15, 2014 at 4:27 PM

He is a very big kid, and I can see how that could be intimidating, but a cop should be up to the task of dealing with a very big teen ager.

petunia on August 15, 2014 at 4:20 PM

How many physical fights you been in? Hate to tell you but cops are not all ninja, super dooper know all the tricks type people. So is a 5′ 4″ female cop up to the task?

arnold ziffel on August 15, 2014 at 4:28 PM

Except there’s no report on that part of this situation.

jim56 on August 15, 2014 at 3:39 PM

Yet you seem willing to exclude a justifiable use of force scenario in the absence of full information. Why would you do that?

If he’s willing to assault an elderly store owner for a handful of cheap cigars, what is he prepared to do to stay out of jail?

I don’t know what happened, and neither do you. There are a range of possibilities and I don’t rule any of them out. But don’t pretend a 6’4″ 300 lb thug who has committed a strong arm robbery and assaulted an elderly store owner within the hour has no reason to fear arrest on contact with the police, no propensity to acts of violence, and didn’t pose a deadly threat if he assaulted that police officer.

novaculus on August 15, 2014 at 3:52 PM

I’m not ruling that out. I’m just saying there’s no police report on that part of this incident so we don’t know what happened in that part.

jim56 on August 15, 2014 at 4:29 PM

The people rioting don’t care about the facts, they have co-opted this incident as an excuse for lawlessness.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 15, 2014 at 4:23 PM

I think the rioting has stopped now. And there is no excuse for that.

But many people seem to think this video is significant, that he stole some cigars, is somehow an excuse for his death. And I find that attitude appalling.

I respect the police. They have a very hard, dangerous job. But they also have a great deal of power. Power over life and death. And that power can’t be given to people without the proper respect for the lives of citizens.

The teenager is dead. Forever.

petunia on August 15, 2014 at 4:30 PM

So is a 5′ 4″ female cop up to the task?

arnold ziffel on August 15, 2014 at 4:28 PM

This is the first time I have heard that the cop was a 5’4″ woman.

That may be a mitigating factor, but it also has implications for women’s rights. If she can’t do the job of a man, maybe this isn’t the best place for her.

petunia on August 15, 2014 at 4:32 PM

No Petunia – the question to be answered is because the man – he is no kid – stole some cheap cigars did that change his perceptions of the cop leading up to their exchange. Clearly if there was a physical struggle or an attempt to go for the gun – the cop will have no trouble. That we still don’t know. What we do know now is that Brown’s companion has already been lying in his statements, and his description of what happened isn’t going to hold much water anymore. He in fact will be up for charges for the theft I would guess.

Zomcon JEM on August 15, 2014 at 4:32 PM

No Petunia – the question to be answered is because the man – he is no kid – stole some cheap cigars did that change his perceptions of the cop leading up to their exchange. Clearly if there was a physical struggle or an attempt to go for the gun – the cop will have no trouble. That we still don’t know. What we do know now is that Brown’s companion has already been lying in his statements, and his description of what happened isn’t going to hold much water anymore. He in fact will be up for charges for the theft I would guess.

Zomcon JEM on August 15, 2014 at 4:32 PM

The 18 year old “man” is dead.

That tips the scale pretty far, in my opinion.

petunia on August 15, 2014 at 4:34 PM

Was Brown shot down from behind in the street while fleeing as some reports suggest?

DarkCurrent on August 15, 2014 at 4:34 PM

msnbc2 08/15/14

LIVE VIDEO: Family of Michael Brown holds presser conference
The family of Michael Brown and their attorneys, Anthony D. Gray, Esq. and Daryl D. Parks, Esq. host press conference addressing the recent comments of Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc2/watch/live-video-family-of-michael-brown-holds-presser-conference-318540867613

canopfor on August 15, 2014 at 4:29 PM

canopfor on August 15, 2014 at 4:35 PM

jim56 on August 15, 2014 at 4:29 PM

Since were so inquisitive earlier, another poster was kind enough to help you out.

http://www.bakersfieldnow.com/news/local/Daughter-of-woman-killed-in-gold-chain-robbery-talks-about-events-of-that-night-167118745.html

Jason58 on August 15, 2014 at 3:37 PM

arnold ziffel on August 15, 2014 at 4:35 PM

I’m fully aware of that fact. All the officer who shot Brown may have known is that he stopped two knuckleheads walking down the middle of the road and was suddenly assaulted by a 6’4″ 300 lb thug.

He may well not have known that thug had just committed a strong arm robbery, feared arrest and understood that having passed his 18th birthday he was looking at something substantially worse than juvie.

But if that giant is clubbing him and trying to take his weapon, the officer doesn’t need to know anything else. The thug is a deadly threat to the officer and to the community, and the officer’s use of force was justified even if the guy was fleeing.

novaculus on August 15, 2014 at 4:12 PM

.
Ok… first point, I was merely trying to make sure you were aware of the latest status based on the press conference. The trolls of al stripes have been flaming people for any gap in knowledge.

Second point ties back to my first and second page posts regarding this incident in context to some folks over the top comments in the last few days – specifically, “shoplifting” is extremely common and viewed as No Big Deal by the under 30 crowd. Doesn’t matter what WE think about it, but it is NOT something the police usually get involved in.

Third point – the “justice system” in this day and age would only arrest Michael Brown for the assault IF the store clerk insisted on pressing charges and the video would most likely DETER a prosecuting attorney from wanting to BOTHER a judge with the case. It would be pled down to a fine. Most teenagers and young adults these days in urban areas are well aware they would just get a slap on the wrist if charges were pressed … which makes a COUNTER case with regard to motivation for Michael Brown to try to grab the officer’s gun.

At this point, we know NOTHING of any substantial factual basis with regards to why a routine police interaction went so wrong.

PolAgnostic on August 15, 2014 at 4:35 PM

Petunia is an attention whore.

cozmo on August 15, 2014 at 4:26 PM

You call me a whore? Because I disagree with you?

Nice.

petunia on August 15, 2014 at 4:35 PM

petunia on August 15, 2014 at 4:30 PM

Please, Miss Deep Thinker, link to the posts here that say the kid stealing cigars is an excuse for his death.

I’ll wait.

Dolce Far Niente on August 15, 2014 at 4:36 PM

DarkCurrent on August 15, 2014 at 4:34 PM

We don’t know. That story came from the dead guy’s accomplice.

cozmo on August 15, 2014 at 4:36 PM

Wesley Lowery @WesleyLowery · 8s

Police chief repeats multiple times: Officer who shot Michael Brown was not aware of robbery when he made initial contact

It would be interesting to know if the store owner chose to report the robbery soon afterwards, or only came forward later. Such events may not be rare in his neighborhood, but there may be little to gain by reporting them.

Many such small thefts probably go unreported, and perhaps this was not Brown’s first such event. That is pure speculation, but his brazen and bullying demeanor does not speak of “opening-night jitters”. Both his intimidating size and the low dollar-value of the theft could easily discourage the storeowner from pursuing a complaint.

I wonder if Brown was already known to the local PD as a troublemaker, and one of “the usual suspects”? The information shouldn’t change facts one way or the other, but might add some context.

bofh on August 15, 2014 at 4:37 PM

petunia on August 15, 2014 at 4:35 PM

No, I called you that because it is what you are. You could be hagfish’s dumber sister.

I think you were called that many times back during the 2012 primaries.

cozmo on August 15, 2014 at 4:38 PM

This is the first time I have heard that the cop was a 5’4″ woman.

That may be a mitigating factor, but it also has implications for women’s rights. If she can’t do the job of a man, maybe this isn’t the best place for her.

petunia on August 15, 2014 at 4:32 PM

Not good at reading comprehension? I merely used that as an example since you postulated that “any” po po should be able to handle a big teenager.

You ever been in a fight?

arnold ziffel on August 15, 2014 at 4:38 PM

It’s unusual for a 17 year old to go to college. Wasn’t he starting college now?

jim56 on August 15, 2014 at 3:31 PM

Kids here in Colorado can start taking college classes without waivers (and many do) after their HS Sophomore year.

UnstChem on August 15, 2014 at 4:05 PM

He was to start vocational college to get his HVAC trade papers, probably a two-year deal. Don’t know entrance requirements in MO, might not need to finish HS.

slickwillie2001 on August 15, 2014 at 4:39 PM

petunia on August 15, 2014 at 4:34 PM

Tips the scales of what? That he can assault an officer and try and take his gun? Do you know that didn’t happen? No, you don’t.

All I said is if that happened the cop is not going to be in trouble. You have convicted the cop already. Maybe he deserves it maybe he doesn’t. The cop didn’t know he had stolen something or so says the PD. If you assault a cop – a big if – then you can figure your odds of becoming dead are going to go up dramatically.

Zomcon JEM on August 15, 2014 at 4:41 PM

Brown family holding a press conference right now.

Michael Brown was killed execution-style- only thing that matters (I guess the whole stealing stuff is normal for the Browns).

Claiming it a civil rights crime.

Thanks to all the blacks involved (Obama, Holder, the state Police chief that just took over)

Most important thing is getting the cop that killed “Mike.”

No appeal for the black animals to stop with the rioting.

Happy Nomad on August 15, 2014 at 4:41 PM

We don’t know. That story came from the dead guy’s accomplice.

cozmo on August 15, 2014 at 4:36 PM

Trying to catch up on the story. It’s not in the news here.

Where was the body found?

DarkCurrent on August 15, 2014 at 4:42 PM

The 2002 story I mentioned above the perp did not even steal cigars, he was just running around in the street naked, yelling at people and impeding traffic. However since the officer was shot to death it left nothing to anchor anyones indignation. If the officer had shot him he might have died for just being a naked nuisance, a lesser offence than robbery.

Steady_Rest on August 15, 2014 at 4:43 PM

HN – thanks for the update.

So we are done here. Typical. Blacks are the most racist group in this country – in fact if polling data is to be believed, blacks agree with that statement.

Zomcon JEM on August 15, 2014 at 4:43 PM

Now the presser has a local politician:

Mike was no angel, parents never said otherwise. I guess they can’t hide behind years-old pictures the way Trayvon Martin’s parents did.

Reason why all this is going on is that the cop needs to be lynched. Nevermind the eyewitness is the other guy stealing stuff in that video.

Happy Nomad on August 15, 2014 at 4:44 PM

So we are done here. Typical. Blacks are the most racist group in this country – in fact if polling data is to be believed, blacks agree with that statement.

Zomcon JEM on August 15, 2014 at 4:43 PM

Yeah, apparently blacks can just walk in and demand stuff. No repercussions because the police should be hands-off when it comes to this stuff.

Happy Nomad on August 15, 2014 at 4:46 PM

It’s not in the news here.

Where was the body found?

DarkCurrent on August 15, 2014 at 4:42 PM

I figured that. He was found in the street, but no report on wounds or details from law enforcement at this time.

Gateway Pundit has been covering this closely.

cozmo on August 15, 2014 at 4:47 PM

Cousin of the Brown family speaking.

The video is a diversion to take away from what happened on that road. Lots of emphasis on hands up being the universal sign for surrender.

Still no call from these despicable people to stop the rioting. In fact a call for continued (wink wink) peaceful protests. That’s not the same thing as condemning the black animals out there with Molotov cocktails.

Happy Nomad on August 15, 2014 at 4:50 PM

Still no call from these despicable people to stop the rioting. In fact a call for continued (wink wink) peaceful protests. That’s not the same thing as condemning the black animals out there with Molotov cocktails.

Happy Nomad on August 15, 2014 at 4:50 PM


What rioting?

There have been no police reports corroborated by media of ANY rioting since Monday.

Why do you keep trotting out that dead horse and kicking it?

PolAgnostic on August 15, 2014 at 4:55 PM

You lose all credibility linking to Daily Kos. It’s the right Michael Brown as he is from Troy, MO and he was in town to “go to college.”
Raquel Pinkbullet on August 15, 2014 at 3:29 PM

Quite infrequently, I’ll comment at Daily Kos and link to conservative sites. Those clowns will say I’ve lost all my credibility too. You’ve got that in common with them.

Given he graduated from Normandy High School, it would’ve been a long daily commute from Troy.

Please provide a “credible” link that it’s the same Michael Brown’s arrest record.

Having done that, please, provide a “credible” link that supports your assertion he is from Troy and was in town to “go to college”.

Good Luck.

rukiddingme on August 15, 2014 at 5:01 PM

What rioting?

PolAgnostic on August 15, 2014 at 4:55 PM

Yeah the crowd dispersal techniques (tear gas, rubber bullets, and bean bags) was just the Ferguson PD’s contribution to this extended “Night Out” effort by the local citizenry.

Happy Nomad on August 15, 2014 at 5:07 PM

ou think stealing cigars should get a death sentence? Or that a cop shouldn’t be trained to deal with a violent teen? Even a really really really big violent teen?

petunia on August 15, 2014 at 4:26 PM

Have you ever been punched in the face by a big bruiser like this guy? No? I suspect if you had, you would have a completely different take what the officer may have been feeling/thinking.

stvnscott on August 15, 2014 at 5:08 PM

Yeah the crowd dispersal techniques (tear gas, rubber bullets, and bean bags) was just the Ferguson PD’s contribution to this extended “Night Out” effort by the local citizenry.

Happy Nomad on August 15, 2014 at 5:07 PM

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The statement MADE BY THE FERGUSON POLICE DEPARTMENT (since you ignore anything that doesn’t fit your talking points) both IMMEDIATELY BEFORE AND AFTER their use of tear gas on AUGUST 13th was they had declared the PROTEST was OVER and were ordering the crowd of ~ 100 people to disperse.

NO rioting.

NO looting.

One report of an officer hit in the ankle by a brick thrown hours before.

One picture of some young African-American men trying to light a Molotov cocktail (which suggests a certain amount of incompetence in making a Molotov cocktail – if the bottle is filled with gas the challenge would be to get it out of your hand before it explodes – not getting it lit) but no evidence of the lit Molotov cocktail being used.

But YOU get a lot of fun kicking a dead horse.

PolAgnostic on August 15, 2014 at 5:22 PM

Petunia is an attention whore.

cozmo on August 15, 2014 at 4:26 PM

You call me a whore? Because I disagree with you?

Nice.

petunia on August 15, 2014 at 4:35 PM

While I admit that I would have used other terminology, you’re omitting the adjective. The adjective puts the phrase in another context.

307wolverine on August 15, 2014 at 5:25 PM

He was to start vocational college to get his HVAC trade papers, probably a two-year deal. Don’t know entrance requirements in MO, might not need to finish HS.

slickwillie2001 on August 15, 2014 at 4:39 PM

Obviously in no way am I suggesting there’s any credibility to the notion the kid is 17. My real point is that when someone like jimbo starts throwing around dumbass comments like “it’s unusual for 17-year-olds to …” which are easily proved wrong, there’s not much faith he’ll come to smart conclusions about events that don’t have much information.

I’ve done actual old school research (actual tree fiber publications, not Wikipedia) about a topic, and then went to an online newspaper article on the topic, only to find 2 out of 500 comments had any merit about the topic. The rest were speaking out their collective azzes.

Based on that anecdote, less than 1% of everyone knows anything factual about what they profess to know (Reagan knew the number to be even lower for Dims). I’m sure that percentage is higher here, since there are many here who do their own research.

UnstChem on August 15, 2014 at 5:27 PM

While I admit that I would have used other terminology, you’re omitting the adjective. The adjective puts the phrase in another context.

307wolverine on August 15, 2014 at 5:25 PM

Are you saying whores don’t like attention?

UnstChem on August 15, 2014 at 5:28 PM

The 18 year old “man” is dead.

That tips the scale pretty far, in my opinion.

petunia on August 15, 2014 at 4:34 PM

You’re really pissed that the media didn’t post pictures of Micheal Brown when he was 3-years-old so they could push the narrative again that it’s open season on black children by whites again.

Do you even give a damn that scores of REAL black children are being murdered by other blacks in places like Chicago? Probably not, cause it doesn’t fit your bigoted worldview.

UnstChem on August 15, 2014 at 5:35 PM

You’re really pissed that the media didn’t post pictures of Micheal Brown when he was 3-years-old so they could push the narrative again that it’s open season on black children by whites again.

Do you even give a damn that scores of REAL black children are being murdered by other blacks in places like Chicago? Probably not, cause it doesn’t fit your bigoted worldview.

UnstChem on August 15, 2014 at 5:35 PM

I’m really surprised that the Browns’ lawyer didn’t come up with a nicely-posed picture of Brown when he was fourteen or so, maybe in a little sailor outfit. I’ve been expecting it. He’s really slipping.

slickwillie2001 on August 15, 2014 at 5:47 PM

I’m not ruling that out. I’m just saying there’s no police report on that part of this incident so we don’t know what happened in that part.

jim56 on August 15, 2014 at 4:29 PM

Which means they likely won’t be able to rely on the law that allows for deadly force to be used while apprehending someone who committed a forcible robbery.

jim56 on August 15, 2014 at 3:28 PM

novaculus on August 15, 2014 at 6:05 PM

PolAgnostic on August 15, 2014 at 4:35 PM

Thanks for trying to keep me up to speed. I don’t know where you live, but I was a public defender for 12 years and I can guarantee you that video would get Brown charged with multiple felonies in this jurisdiction. Unless he had a clean record, no chance of a misdemeanor plea, either.

novaculus on August 15, 2014 at 6:11 PM

So… I still don’t understand why the kid had to die.

petunia on August 15, 2014 at 4:20 PM

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They don’t have tasers in Missouri, that’s why… have you been paying attention? Really. I want to know.

ExpressoBold on August 15, 2014 at 6:24 PM

I don’t know if shoving someone on the way to the door after the theft would qualify as “forcible” robbery.

jim56 on August 15, 2014 at 2:12 PM

It’s not so much “forcible robbery” since anytime you rob someone of something you are taking it by force. I believe the term would be “strong arm robbery” since he was using his body to intimidate his victim into submission.

Liberty or Death on August 15, 2014 at 6:26 PM

I don’t know if shoving someone on the way to the door after the theft would qualify as “forcible” robbery.

jim56 on August 15, 2014 at 2:12 PM

Dumb. He got out of the store with the goods using force. To think differently is silliness.

CW on August 15, 2014 at 6:37 PM

Looks like the second-guessers are out in force today. It’s either “Well, that’s not really him” and if that doesn’t work, “Well, it’s not bad enough to merit killing him.” Okay, you arm-chair cops, tell me this, when a suspect is wrestling with a police officer, what’s one of the #1 things he’s going to try to take from him? Here’s a hint: It makes loud bang noises.

So the claim that Brown was unarmed is only true because he was shot before he had the opportunity to take the officer’s gun away. You get that, you thick-skulled idiots? That’s what can happen when you resist arrest!

And no, he “didn’t deserve to die” because of whatever strawman you’re throwing out, he died because he assaulted a cop. What he “deserves” doesn’t factor into it, but it would take an adult to understand that.

R. Waher on August 15, 2014 at 6:59 PM

Don’t know what they call it, but “Switzer Sweets” cigarillos are popular in drug circles because you can pull some of the tobacco out from the cigar and put the drug of choice into it and smoke it.
Be interesting to see the toxicology report on the kid.

thelastminstrel on August 15, 2014 at 7:25 PM

Unless he had a clean record, no chance of a misdemeanor plea, either.

novaculus on August 15, 2014 at 6:11 PM

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According to the media (AAcckk!! Pffft!! Furball) Michael Brown had NO previous run ins with the police.

One shove, absent any injury to the person shoved, will not get you a felony charge in this part of Ohio and our PA is REALLY conservative.

Ditto the shoplifting activity in conjunction with it. The other side of the coin may be our PA would much rather spend his budget on putting SERIOUS bad guys in jail.

Interesting to note the corporation that owns the QT has stated their clerk didn’t call the police (another person did) and did not turn over the video until a search warrant was served.

I’ve done a ride along with our Sheriff’s department. They are professional, courteous and put up with more crap than I could ever tolerate … but the Sargent I rode with took pride in the fact that his department did not engage in what her referred to as “Mickey Mouse ‘control’ tactics”.

Oh, and for the readers … I HAVE been rousted on one occasion by two Mickey Mouse town clowns who pulled me over and then acknowledged WHAT they has pulled me over for was outside their jurisdiction and they were going to “detain me in my car” until the Sheriff’s car showed up.

The Sheriff showed up in 10 minutes, sent the two yahoos on their way, apologized to me for them detaining me on a “civil issue” outside their jurisdiction but said since he had been sent at the request of another department he was going to have to fill out a report. We spent 10 minutes taking care of the paperwork and we both went on our way.

No fuss, no muss and I just warned my wife and kids – if the town clowns stop you for anything, be polite and cooperative and if they step over a line … I’ll hire a lawyer who’ll bankrupt the town for their widely known incompetence (the Sheriff was a good sort who made clear just how despised this little group of yahoos were within the profession and that it would take little effort to find “expert witnesses to testify about them routinely exceeding their authority”).

PolAgnostic on August 15, 2014 at 7:59 PM

Pol: In Ohio, what Brown did was a felony.

Ohio:

Chapter 2911: ROBBERY, BURGLARY, TRESPASS AND SAFECRACKING

2911.01 Aggravated robbery.
(A) No person, in attempting or committing a theft offense, as defined in section 2913.01 of the Revised Code, or in fleeing immediately after the attempt or offense, shall do any of the following:

(1) Have a deadly weapon on or about the offender’s person or under the offender’s control and either display the weapon, brandish it, indicate that the offender possesses it, or use it;

(2) Have a dangerous ordnance on or about the offender’s person or under the offender’s control;

(3) Inflict, or attempt to inflict, serious physical harm on another.

(B) No person, without privilege to do so, shall knowingly remove or attempt to remove a deadly weapon from the person of a law enforcement officer, or shall knowingly deprive or attempt to deprive a law enforcement officer of a deadly weapon, when both of the following apply:

(1) The law enforcement officer, at the time of the removal, attempted removal, deprivation, or attempted deprivation, is acting within the course and scope of the officer’s duties;

(2) The offender knows or has reasonable cause to know that the law enforcement officer is a law enforcement officer.

(C) Whoever violates this section is guilty of aggravated robbery, a felony of the first degree.

(D) As used in this section:

(1) “Deadly weapon” and “dangerous ordnance” have the same meanings as in section 2923.11 of the Revised Code.

(2) “Law enforcement officer” has the same meaning as in section 2901.01 of the Revised Code and also includes employees of the department of rehabilitation and correction who are authorized to carry weapons within the course and scope of their duties.

Effective Date: 09-16-1997

2911.02 Robbery.
(A) No person, in attempting or committing a theft offense or in fleeing immediately after the attempt or offense, shall do any of the following:

(1) Have a deadly weapon on or about the offender’s person or under the offender’s control;

(2) Inflict, attempt to inflict, or threaten to inflict physical harm on another;

(3) Use or threaten the immediate use of force against another.

(B) Whoever violates this section is guilty of robbery. A violation of division (A)(1) or (2) of this section is a felony of the second degree. A violation of division (A)(3) of this section is a felony of the third degree.

(C) As used in this section:

(1) “Deadly weapon” has the same meaning as in section 2923.11 of the Revised Code.

(2) “Theft offense” has the same meaning as in section 2913.01 of the Revised Code.

Effective Date: 07-01-1996

R.C. 2911.01 — Aggravated robbery.
R.C. 2911.02 — Robbery.
Force; Harm to victim

State v. Thomas, 106 Ohio St. 3d 133 — Defendant put down two bags of stolen groceries soon after leaving the store. An off duty cop followed him to a laundromat, then escorted him back to the store. Near the door there was a struggle and the officer was hit in the face. Held that this did not take place while the defendant was committing a theft offense as the groceries had been abandoned, nor did it happen while the defendant was fleeing immediately after committing a theft offense. Also see State v. Turner (Sept. 27, 1983), Franklin App. No. 83AP-226.

State v. Frunza, Cuyahoga App. No. 82053, 2003-Ohio-4809 — Though pushing a stroller against a store employee blocking exit could not reasonably be construed as an attempt to inflict physical harm, subsequent assaults could.

State v. King (August 27, 1981), Franklin Co. App. No. 80AP-968, unreported (1981 Opinions 2699) — Use of force in a robbery must be for the purpose of depriving the owner of his property, not merely to escape detention.

State v. Cohen (1978), 60 Ohio App. 2d 182 — Force not proved where defendant and another approached a man sleeping on the steps of the courthouse, rolled him over and took his watch and wallet. Victim remained asleep throughout.

State v. Carter (1985), 29 Ohio App. 3d 148 — Removal of purse from elderly victim’s firm grasp was sufficient proof of force to sustain robbery conviction. Also see State v. Pace (September 16, 1980), Franklin Co. App. No. 80AP-200, unreported (1980 Opinions 2926); State v. Camp (December 23, 1982), Franklin Co. App. No. 82AP-575, unreported (1982 Opinions 3915, 3918-3919).

State v. Johnson (1988), 61 Ohio App. 3d 204 — Considered along with the rest of the charge, instruction relating force to purse snatching did not remove the question of force from the jury’s consideration.

State v. Bush (1997), 119 Ohio App. 3d 146 — Defendant ignored clerk’s demand he return beer to cooler, then returned a half hour later, made sure the store was empty, then escorted clerk to cash register, taking cash, food stamps, and on his way out of the store, another 6-pack. (1) Testimony as to first incident was properly admitted as went to element of force or threat of force. (2) Clerk’s state of mind may be relevant as to proof of force. (3) It was error to instruct the jury “the force element of robbery is satisfied if the fear of the alleged victim was of such a nature as in reason and common experience is likely to induce a person to part with property against her will…”

State v. Furlow (1992), 80 Ohio App. 3d 146 — The force element of robbery requires a showing of actual or potential harm to a person. Simply taking a wallet and bills from the firmer than usual grip of the victim (who the defendant had asked for change) was insufficient to establish the element of force. Also see State v. Grubbs (1998), 129 Ohio App. 3d 730, 733.

State v. McSwain (1992), 79 Ohio App. 3d 600 — (1) In an aggravated robbery prosecution based on violence, it is not necessary to prove that the victim actually suffered serious physical harm. Rather it must be proven that the defendant inflicted or attempted to inflict such harm. (2) The mens rea element of the theft element of aggravated robbery is knowingly. Since no culpable mental state is specified for the harm element, recklessness applies.

State v. Eley (1978), 56 Ohio St. 2d 169 — To prove aggravated robbery, serious physical harm does not have to have been the actual result. It is sufficient that the jury have a basis for reasonably concluding that there was an attempt to inflict serious physical harm as defined by R.C. 2901.01(E).

Conservative4Ever on August 16, 2014 at 10:37 AM

My husband, retired cop in liberal Ca just informed that the law here gives peace officers cover for using deadly force on a fleeing felon. Now that includes even if you believe with reasonable cause he’s a felon. I don’t know if that is still the case or if it is the same in Mo.

But if it is, this officer may get off even if he shot The kid in the back!

Nana on August 16, 2014 at 12:53 PM

Well, the mods. and one writer at Red State think Allapundit is struggling on this issue:”Our friends at HotAir and Ace of Spades struggle to create a robbery related reason for the altercation. For instance, Allahpundit makes this conjecture:”

It’s a good thing 98% of you guys and gals are not posting at Red State re. any thing going on in Ferguson since I’m sure you would be disagreeing with the lynching of the Chief and the Office under investigation. Go register there and start commenting as you do here and see how long you last before you are booted off site. I give most of you 5 days at the max.

Thank God for HA.

they lie on August 16, 2014 at 4:59 PM

Well, the mods. and one writer at Red State think Allapundit is struggling on this issue:”Our friends at HotAir and Ace of Spades struggle to create a robbery related reason for the altercation. For instance, Allahpundit makes this conjecture:”

It’s a good thing 98% of you guys and gals are not posting at Red State re. any thing going on in Ferguson since I’m sure you would be disagreeing with the lynching of the Chief and the Office under investigation. Go register there and start commenting as you do here and see how long you last before you are booted off site. I give most of you 5 days at the max.

Thank God for HA.

they lie on August 16, 2014 at 4:59 PM

I’ve been banned from there.
my crime was saying if I said something they thought deserved banning I would not argue.

pi*sy little bit*hes who love the smell of their own f*rts over there.

dmacleo on August 16, 2014 at 6:24 PM

If Brown had been white we would have never heard a thing about any of this.

If the cop had been black, ditto.

This is a race-baiters wet dream.

The cop’s apparent over-reaction has provided them with a glorious election year tool.

Look for this to be dragged out at least until November.

That’s the plan: never let a stoked-up crisis go to waste.

Thanks, officer Over-React.

Handing Obama and his gang a potent political weapon.

profitsbeard on August 17, 2014 at 4:29 PM

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