Ferguson residents on CNN: That’s not Michael Brown in the surveillance video

posted at 3:21 pm on August 15, 2014 by Allahpundit

Via Mediaite, a reminder that no modern tragedy can escape Truther-ization. One woman in the clip, speculating on why the cops waited to release the surveillance footage, says, “It took so long for them to do that because they Photoshopped him.” That’s how cognitive dissonance works in the digital age. In fact, the basic argument made to Don Lemon here seems to be, “It wasn’t him, and even if it was, you’re smearing him, and even if you aren’t, he deserved a jury trial, not summary execution by cop.” The shooting must have been unjustified; take whatever logical path you need to in order to arrive at that conclusion. And needless to say, there are people on the other side following the opposite “logic.”

The woman in the hat is more interesting because she claims the man in the surveillance video was wearing different clothes than Michael Brown was when he was shot. Don Lemon doesn’t ask her how she knows that but I’ve seen that same point made on Twitter today — supposedly, the guy in the clip is wearing shorts and sandals whereas the photo of Michael Brown lying dead on the ground shows him wearing khaki pants and sneakers. I’m not going to link that photo but I’ve seen it and it’s pretty clearly the same clothes. Brown’s shorts were long (as you can see in the surveillance video) and appear to have slipped down a bit sometime before he died; the angle of the photo makes it look as though they run almost to his ankle. That’s probably where the “pants” idea is coming from. The sneakers/sandals confusion is likely due to how his sneakers look in some of the stills from the surveillance video. If you only saw the two images on the right-hand side here, the shadows and cross-wise bands might make you think Brown was wearing something with straps and no heel. The actual footage makes clear that they’re sneakers. And although there’s no Cardinals cap on Brown in the death photo, as there is on the man in the video, there was a Cardinals cap on the ground at the crime scene. There’s a photo of it in the gallery here. But needless to say, none of this will convince anyone who’s invested in a conspiracy theory.

There is one good point made here, though. Ed made it himself in a post this morning. Why’d it take the cops days to accuse Brown of a robbery and to release the footage? The narrative from the beginning was that a rogue cop decided to hassle two black teens who were minding their own business for no reason, then shot one of them in cold blood. If you accepted the first part of that narrative, the second part was easier to swallow. Go figure that a man looking for a fight might be quick to anger with deadly force. But Wilson apparently wasn’t looking for a fight and the PD knew it. He was looking for a robbery suspect. Why didn’t the PD emphasize that sooner?

Update: Hooooold the phone.

So Wilson wasn’t looking for a robbery suspect? Why’d he stop Brown and Johnson, then? More coming in a new post.

Update: Apparently Dorian Johnson has ‘fessed up to the convenience store robbery.

The friend who was with Michael Brown when he was shot and killed by a police officer near St. Louis over the weekend is reportedly confirming that he and Brown had taken part in the theft of cigars from a convenience store that day.

That word comes from the attorney for Dorian Johnson, speaking to MSNBC. Police in Ferguson had earlier announced that Brown was suspected of taking cigars from the convenience store in what was described as a “strong-arm robbery.”


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Do Clowns take tips? And how much should I give. I really loved the performance.

CW on August 15, 2014 at 5:00 PM

Give generously. Today the lad found out his beloved hero was a common criminal on the lam from the law after committing a strong-arm robbery. You just know that’s gotta hurt.

whatcat on August 15, 2014 at 5:04 PM

I suspect after today the kid will drop the claim to being the finest steak-eating legal mind in the word. So what’s next? I’m betting on world-renowned sushi-eating Costume Designer for the top Hollywood studios.

whatcat on August 15, 2014 at 4:59 PM

He seems perfectly content living in delusion for sure. Good for him. The world needs clowns even the crazy ones.

CW on August 15, 2014 at 5:04 PM

That’s even more than Preezy Perfect Pleats.

(If you don’t count the perks).

WhirledPeas on August 15, 2014 at 5:04 PM

That, everyone, is HotAir.

*golfclap*

Most of the degenerates here can’t be honest about cheering the death of black people. I’m glad you’re man ehough to own it.

Aquateen Hungerforce on August 15, 2014 at 4:42 PM

You want black men to die unnecessarily.

And your sky god doesn’t frighten me.

Aquateen Hungerforce on August 15, 2014 at 4:52 PM

Those comments have pretty much crossed the line and are ban-hammer worthy. They also illustrate the bigotry instilled in you before this story even happened.

Nobody here started calling Micheal Brown a thug until it came out he was robbery suspect. Up to that point, the only people disparaged were those committing looting and arson in the name of Micheal Brown which, by your comments, suggest you’re fine with it.

UnstChem on August 15, 2014 at 5:05 PM

The world needs clowns even the crazy ones.

CW on August 15, 2014 at 5:04 PM

Besides we gotta have someone to mock. He can handle the overflow from Obama’s mockworthyness.

whatcat on August 15, 2014 at 5:06 PM

LOL. What an epic meltdown by aqua teeny. Reminds me when capitalist hog lost his shit. That was on a cop thread as well

HumpBot Salvation on August 15, 2014 at 5:07 PM

Hmmm calling him Clown was even more on topic than I thought

The origin of the word “clown” is uncertain. It first appears around the 1560s and may come from a Scandinavian linguistic root meaning “clumsy, boorish fellow”

Ding,ding, ding. That pretty much nails it.

CW on August 15, 2014 at 5:07 PM

Brown family attorney thinks Saddam Hussein is in prison lol.

He has said this not once, but on several occasions.

WhirledPeas on August 15, 2014 at 4:53 PM

Saw that too. Almost choked on my haggis.

Del Dolemonte on August 15, 2014 at 5:17 PM

Take it from a Photoshop user, it’s difficult to photoshop a video because you would have to photoshop each frame of it.

TarheelBen on August 15, 2014 at 3:45 PM

That is because you are using the standard commercial version, the Illuminati who “found” this video are using the NSA inspired “Photoshop – Black Helicopter Version”

Reuben Hick on August 15, 2014 at 5:23 PM

There is a simple way to never have to deal with police officers. Don’t commit a crime and respect their authority.

Tater Salad on August 15, 2014 at 5:23 PM

Capitalist hog, raise both hands.

Schadenfreude on August 15, 2014 at 5:24 PM

Bush did it.

Viator on August 15, 2014 at 5:27 PM

Brown family attorney thinks Saddam Hussein is in prison lol.

He has said this not once, but on several occasions.

WhirledPeas on August 15, 2014 at 4:53 PM

Saw that too. Almost choked on my haggis.

Del Dolemonte on August 15, 2014 at 5:17 PM

Got his law degree from the same place Jimbo did?

slickwillie2001 on August 15, 2014 at 5:30 PM

Bush did it.

Viator on August 15, 2014 at 5:27 PM

Or, maybe it was that darn Sarah Palin, putting survey marks on a map again! Doesn’t she ever stop?

Pork-Chop on August 15, 2014 at 5:31 PM

Aquateen Hungerforce on August 15, 2014 at 3:35 PM

Today I’ve been wondering if you’re the fries or shake. After reading plenty of your comments, you are definitely the shake.

Closet Optimist on August 15, 2014 at 5:31 PM

Already shown to be liars. Browns friend already copped to the robbery and admitted it was them in the picture.

What next for these fine citizens? Slip and fall gigs?

Lonetown on August 15, 2014 at 5:32 PM

Hotair has always had a few cranks and idiots, but this place is little different from Stormfront now.

Over 95% of you are straight up fascists.

Aquateen Hungerforce on August 15, 2014 at 4:31 PM

Well thank goodness you’re not fascist racists; you were certain this church going kid with no possible violence inn his heart was innocent from day 1.

Nope, you’re so clever you KNEW this 6’4″ child could never have done anything wrong and was pure as the driven snow…

Why? He had the RIGHT skin color; and a non-racist knows you MUST judge someone based solely on skin color.

White guy, guilty, black guy, innocent. Why Skin color…

Nope, you’re not racist at all, because you’re the one who is focused solely on skin color.

I Dream of a day when we can judge a man based solely on the color of his skin, with no regard for the content of his character.

That’s the dream, right? I mean YOUR dream of course.

No? So why is skin color the only thing you’re in any way interested in at any point?

gekkobear on August 15, 2014 at 5:33 PM

Seems everyone is missing the point of the video. It has nothing to do with the fact he robbed someone.

Has everything to do with this was one huge guy who was in a frame of mind that he was going to do whatever he wanted.

If he’s going to push the shopkeeper back like that, I have no doubt in my mind he would have pushed a cop back too.

ButterflyDragon on August 15, 2014 at 5:37 PM

The Race Card and Capitalist hog, both banned, raise your hands.

Schadenfreude on August 15, 2014 at 5:38 PM

For those who are unaware, teenagers don’t usually smoke cigars, they empty the shells of tobacco and stuff them with pot…

Reminds me of Treyvon. The ingredients he purchased at thee convenience store are used to make Drank.

hdc77494 on August 15, 2014 at 5:38 PM

Those comments have pretty much crossed the line and are ban-hammer worthy.

UnstChem on August 15, 2014 at 5:05 PM

Don’t ban him. We need people to laugh at.

After further thought, I think he’s more like Meatwad.

Closet Optimist on August 15, 2014 at 5:40 PM

I wonder if Rand Paul will chime in on the new developments in this situation … something like …

“It is vital that we demilitarize those evil, murderous police so that poor, innocent black children like little Mikey Brown aren’t forced by the white race to steal borrow cigars from their local, racist convenience store.”

Pork-Chop on August 15, 2014 at 5:42 PM

If he’s going to push the shopkeeper back like that, I have no doubt in my mind he would have pushed a cop back too.

ButterflyDragon on August 15, 2014 at 5:37 PM

The security camera video will be very important if this case ever goes to trial. Imagine how this will play to a jury.

Pork-Chop on August 15, 2014 at 5:44 PM

According to progressive dogma, young black men are free to rob and kill at will, without consequence, because – social justice or something like that.

Rebar on August 15, 2014 at 5:45 PM

No? So why is skin color the only thing you’re in any way interested in at any point?

gekkobear on August 15, 2014 at 5:33 PM

My youngest brother and his wife have a 3-year-old girl, and an infant boy. They are both adopted and black.

I get so disgusted with the ignorant, bigoted questions they get from others (none from my immediate or extended family) based solely on skin color.

UnstChem on August 15, 2014 at 5:47 PM

Don’t ban him. We need people to laugh at.

After further thought, I think he’s more like Meatwad.

Closet Optimist on August 15, 2014 at 5:40 PM

Oh, I too believe the fools should keep flapping their ignorant gums. I was just pointing out how over-the-line the comments were.

UnstChem on August 15, 2014 at 5:50 PM

That’s not Michael Brown in the surveillance video

Why of course not! The fellow accomanying the unknown doppleganger for the gentle giant Michael Brown however is the one and only Darin Johnson, the very witness who told us all: we weren’t do’in nothin’, just mindin’ our own business walkin’ in the street and THE MAN just grabs my freind Michael and shoots gentle Mikey down for no good reason. Imagin’ that! THE MAN shoots him dead for J-walkin’!

We know it was Darin Johnson because Darin Johnson’s attorney just confirmed the identification. One wonders how much of this Darin Johnson’s attorney knew or should have known of this before hand.

It seems, when it comes to H8in people simply will not give up their scapegoats.

Mike OMalley on August 15, 2014 at 5:52 PM

Hotair has always had a few cranks and idiots, but this place is little different from Stormfront now.

Over 95% of you are straight up fascists.

Aquateen Hungerforce on August 15, 2014 at 4:31 PM

So the conservatives at Hot Air, who support individual liberty, limited government, free market capitalism, the Constitution, and a civil, ordered society – we’re the fascists? Wow, you really ARE warped.

TarheelBen on August 15, 2014 at 5:52 PM

I think Michael Brown’s parents owe a sincere and public appology to the police officer who they have repeatedly accused of murder. They owe an appology the officer’s family. They owe an appology to the riot victims and they owe a public appology to America.

Mike OMalley on August 15, 2014 at 5:59 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb7594F6ffE

vlad martel on August 15, 2014 at 6:01 PM

Hotair has always had a few cranks and idiots, but this place is little different from Stormfront now.

Over 95% of you are straight up fascists.

Aquateen Hungerforce on August 15, 2014 at 4:31 PM

Have to take your word for it because I’ve never been to Stormfront and it sounds like you are familiar with it.

slickwillie2001 on August 15, 2014 at 6:03 PM

Maybe stop celebrating pig brutality and murder, and I won’t be so quick to label you a fascist.

Aquateen Hungerforce on August 15, 2014 at 4:51 PM

Nobody here is celebrating. We are, however, interested in the truth. And not riot and loot first, get the truth later.

TarheelBen on August 15, 2014 at 6:03 PM

According to progressive dogma, young black men are free to rob and kill at will, without consequence, because – social justice or something like that.

Rebar on August 15, 2014 at 5:45 PM

In a nutshell, yeah. Unless the black men/women are Republicans, then probably not.

Eastwood Ravine on August 15, 2014 at 6:09 PM

We need a SPECIAL PROSECUTOR for Obama’s TRS SCANDAL….

Realdemocrat1 on August 15, 2014 at 6:30 PM

Hotair has always had a few cranks and idiots, but this place is little different from Stormfront now.

Over 95% of you are straight up fascists.

Aquateen Hungerforce on August 15, 2014 at 4:31 PM

Hot Air always had a few “Republicans” that touted themselves as edgy young Conservatives, but they’re little different from the low information voters that put obama in office.

You can only have one allegiance between rationalization and the truth. Grow up, Son.

hawkdriver on August 15, 2014 at 6:33 PM

This is a PHONY LIBERAL ISSUE…..They are spinning like tops trying to confuse facts……Liberals are really angry that videos came out showing BIG MIKE BROWN grabbing that store clerk by the throat and shoving him aside…..

Realdemocrat1 on August 15, 2014 at 6:35 PM

He can handle the overflow from Obama’s mockworthyness.

whatcat on August 15, 2014 at 5:06 PM

No, that’s a bottomless bucket. Ain’t no overflow from that.

Oldnuke on August 15, 2014 at 6:36 PM

That’s not robbery….that’s shopliftin’

Realdemocrat1 on August 15, 2014 at 6:46 PM

That’s not robbery….that’s shopliftin’

Realdemocrat1 on August 15, 2014 at 6:46 PM

Technically, that’s true. However, why the hell did the kid act threatening? He was trying to act like a wannabe bouncer.

I’ve come to the conclusion that neither side is in the right. The cop did not have to use lethal force, but that kid stupidly did not cooperate. The militerization of police should be a continuing issue, they overreacted – I will not say disproportionately because that word has become cliched. The did not need to look like they were about to storm Fallujah. They’ve changed tactics resulting in peaceful protests, and the media gets new info. The release has not been orchestrated, rather it’s opportune.

Cr4sh Dummy on August 15, 2014 at 7:28 PM

That’s not robbery….that’s shopliftin’

Realdemocrat1 on August 15, 2014 at 6:46 PM

You are either a liar or have an extreme ignorance of the law. Which is it?

That was a Strong-Armed Robbery. There isn’t even a shred of doubt that it was in fact a Strong-Armed Robbery in all 57 states.

Conservative4Ever on August 15, 2014 at 7:29 PM

I’ve come to the conclusion that neither side is in the right. The cop did not have to use lethal force, but that kid stupidly did not cooperate. The militerization of police should be a continuing issue, they overreacted – I will not say disproportionately because that word has become cliched. The did not need to look like they were about to storm Fallujah. They’ve changed tactics resulting in peaceful protests, and the media gets new info. The release has not been orchestrated, rather it’s opportune.

Cr4sh Dummy on August 15, 2014 at 7:28 PM

On what evidence have you wrongly assumed that Officer Wilson should not have used “lethal force?”

Conservative4Ever on August 15, 2014 at 7:30 PM

The police officer acted SMARTLY and the police have to protect themselves and citizens when American ISIS FIGHTERS start rioting……

Realdemocrat1 on August 15, 2014 at 7:46 PM

Conservative4Ever on August 15, 2014 at 7:29 PM

I was just makin’ a funny…..

It was classic STRONG-ARMED ROBBERY case…..

Realdemocrat1 on August 15, 2014 at 7:48 PM

Technically, that’s true. However, why the hell did the kid act threatening? He was trying to act like a wannabe bouncer.

I’ve come to the conclusion that neither side is in the right. The cop did not have to use lethal force, but that kid stupidly did not cooperate. The militerization of police should be a continuing issue, they overreacted – I will not say disproportionately because that word has become cliched. The did not need to look like they were about to storm Fallujah. They’ve changed tactics resulting in peaceful protests, and the media gets new info. The release has not been orchestrated, rather it’s opportune.

Cr4sh Dummy on August 15, 2014 at 7:28 PM

This is nonsense, it appears to be based on one or two pro-Brown ‘witnesses’ anecdotal reports in the media.

IF a perp tries to take your gun away you absolutely can use lethal force.
IF a perp is beating on you through the car window, you absolutely can use lethal force.
IF a perp that you are trying to arrest charges you, you absolutely can use lethal force.

slickwillie2001 on August 15, 2014 at 8:03 PM

The people in that video are as dumb as they come.
That was definitely Michael Brown towering over that poor store clerk.

Nevertheless, I’ll need to hear more than half-assed excuses from the police to be convinced the that this cop killed for a good reason. It’s smelling more rancid every time the coppers speak.

kregg on August 15, 2014 at 8:28 PM

So this buddy of mine who actually visits stormfront a lot(he is an Obama voter and says he likes to read up on the enemy, whatever that means). He is sitting here with me and just told me he is 100% positive he has seen a poster on stormfront with the name Aquateen Hungerforce.

The Notorious G.O.P on August 15, 2014 at 10:01 PM

Seems everyone is missing the point of the video. It has nothing to do with the fact he robbed someone.

Has everything to do with this was one huge guy who was in a frame of mind that he was going to do whatever he wanted.

If he’s going to push the shopkeeper back like that, I have no doubt in my mind he would have pushed a cop back too.

ButterflyDragon on August 15, 2014 at 5:37 PM

Indeed.

They keep saying that Brown was actually gentle by nature. It might even be true, at least part of the time.

But there’s no doubt from that video that at this time he was not the slightest bit gentle. He took a box of cigars, then it seems the clerk says something to him, and he pushes him back hard, and it looks like he takes several more boxes.

It’s very easy at this point to imagine him responding to the policeman just like that clerk, when he was told to move out of the middle of the street. If people have any doubt, they should look at that video again, and see if Brown seems like the kind of guy who would try to take a gun away from a cop, and wind up getting shot.

That doesn’t prove in itself that the shooting was justified, but the likelihood of it being unjustified just keeps shrinking.

There Goes the Neighborhood on August 15, 2014 at 11:12 PM

Doyle Hargrave on August 15, 2014 at 11:47 PM

GTFO

slickwillie2001 on August 16, 2014 at 12:10 AM

There is one good point made here, though. Ed made it himself in a post this morning. Why’d it take the cops days to accuse Brown of a robbery and to release the footage?

Uh, because it took a FOIA request by the St. Louis Post-Dispatch to get the report?

Normally, that would be the job of The Smoking Gun, but I guess the newspaper was on this first.

The report is made available as soon as it is complete. The version of the report provided by the newspaper includes a cross-reference to the Michael Brown shooting report.

unclesmrgol on August 16, 2014 at 12:46 AM

Doyle Hargrave on August 15, 2014 at 11:47 PM

Liberal troll at work.

unclesmrgol on August 16, 2014 at 12:48 AM

They PhotoShopped a video.

hawkdriver on August 16, 2014 at 7:12 AM

Dorian Johnson, the friend who was present when Michael Brown was shot, will not be charged in relation to the robbery in which Brown was a suspect, CNN is reporting.

First, if you look at the video, Dorian picked up the Swisher Sweets that MB grabbed, then dropped, then put them back on the counter.

Second, MB assaulted the clerk. Dorian never touched him.

Third, J-56IQ is a hoot! Keep it coming, Big Guy!

BigAlSouth on August 16, 2014 at 8:03 AM

LOL. What an epic meltdown by aqua teeny.

HumpBot Salvation on August 15, 2014 at 5:07 PM

This isn’t his first time. A little while back, when his hero Ron Paul got in trouble for sending out racist newsletters, our young aquatic friend got a bit flustered and defensive on his behalf, with entertaining results.

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/12/21/video-ron-paul-bails-out-of-interview-with-cnn-after-being-pressed-on-racist-newsletters/

RINO in Name Only on August 16, 2014 at 11:09 AM

Closet Optimist on August 15, 2014 at 5:31 PM

He must be the shake because I’ve always thought he was an order of fries short of a Happy Meal.

ButterflyDragon on August 15, 2014 at 5:37 PM

Excellent point. I hadn’t thought of that aspect, yet. (There is the part of Johnson’s story that says the cruiser door “bounced back” into Wilson as he was exiting the vehicle; the initial police story said it was pushed back into him.)

GWB on August 16, 2014 at 2:21 PM

This is a painful reminder to me that the first and only person I ever heard promoting the idiotic crap at Loose Change was an otherwise responsible and enjoyable black guy I worked with. Jarrod, wherever you are, I hope you have become a full American and not one of these lunatic dissident kooks who see white, blue-eyed devils in every alley.

Jaibones on August 16, 2014 at 2:31 PM

Ya can’t fix stupid! These people are destroying their town, shops/businesses… where they shop, or use to, lol… Who’d want to open a business there now?

soapyjeans on August 17, 2014 at 12:09 AM

“They should have release that video on Sunday”

Well I wonder why they didn’t?

Here is a news flash for her: Obama DOJ Tried To Stop Release Of Mike Brown Robbery Video

conservativeBC on August 17, 2014 at 12:48 AM

Ya can’t fix stupid! These people are destroying their town, shops/businesses… where they shop, or use to, lol… Who’d want to open a business there now?

soapyjeans on August 17, 2014 at 12:09 AM

People think I’m crazy and racist for saying that someday in the future, entire sections of cities if not whole cities may have to be declared ‘incorrigible’ or some similar status, with their children made to go to school with painful consequences if they won’t shut up and learn and the adults forced to be productive for once in their d@mn lives with even nastier penalties for abusing drugs, alcohol or the support system.

I always tell them to think about the alternative we’re already heading toward. If I can get them to seriously comprehend the brute anarchy at the end of that road…they usually shut up.

LawfulGood on August 17, 2014 at 12:20 PM

Why’d it take the cops days to accuse Brown of a robbery and to release the footage?

Uh, could it have been the riots that occupied most of their time after this incident?

el hombre on August 18, 2014 at 11:25 AM

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