Ferguson police identify officer in Michael Brown shooting

posted at 10:41 am on August 15, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

The Ferguson police released the name of the officer involved in the shooting of Michael Brown, an unarmed black teen, whose death set off a riot and then a tense standoff with police in the St. Louis suburb. The shooter was Officer Darren Wilson, a six-year veteran of the Ferguson police force, who was treated for injuries and has not — as yet — been considered the target of a criminal investigation. However, the police also released the report of the incident, which stated that Brown himself was considered the prime suspect in another crime:

The police officer who fatally shot unarmed teen Michael Brown, prompting days of unrest in Ferguson, Missouri and rallies nationwide, has been identified as Darren Wilson.

Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson made the announcement Friday morning, having previously refused citing concerns over the officer’s safety.

Jackson said that Wilson had been an officer in the force for six years and no disciplinary action was taken against him. Wilson was treated for injuries after the shooting, Jackson said.

According to the police report, this incident may have been the consequence of an earlier strong-arm robbery. Another Ferguson police officer had been investigating a strong-arm robbery at a convenience store and had seen several angles from the store’s surveillance cameras of the suspects. The officer identified Brown as the primary suspect, and the witness to the shooting that has been talking with the media about those circumstances as Brown’s suspected partner in the robbery. Huffington Post reporter Ryan J. Reilly captured the report page in this tweet:

It is worth remembering that this incident is related to another incident detailed under Ferguson Police Report #2014-12391 as well as St. Louis County Police Report #2014-43984. In that incident, Brown was fatally wounded involving an office of this department. I responded to that scene and observed Brown. After viewing Brown and reviewing this video, I was able to confirm that Brown is the primary suspect in this incident. A second person, also at that scene, identified himself as being with Brown. That person was later identified as Dorian Johnson. After observing Johnson and reviewing the video, I confirmed that he is the second suspect in this incident.

That was the investigating officer’s opinion, not an adjudicated fact — but it does suggest why a confrontation between Brown, Johnson, and the police may have escalated quickly. Reilly also tweeted four pictures from the camera system in the report:

Reilly was one of the two journalists arrested on Wednesday night in Ferguson. Wesley Lowery of the Washington Post is the other, and is also tweeting from the same report. Lowery notes here that the convenience store was a Quik Trip:

One Quik Trip was destroyed in the riot that led to the police response this week. There may be more than one Quik Trip in Ferguson, but if it’s the same one that burned this week, it would be a very strange coincidence.

The police didn’t have much else to say, which made some residents angry — but not all that many, Lowery reports:

Today’s reveal raises all sorts of questions, not the least of which is why the Ferguson PD didn’t release the information about the Quik Trip robbery sooner. It doesn’t justify shooting an unarmed man in the back as he’s running away if that’s actually what happened, but that claim came from the man who is a suspected accomplice in the earlier robbery — and would explain why the police officer might have taken an interest in Brown and Johnson in the first place. Assuming that the officer investigating the strong-arm robbery is correct in identifying Brown and Johnson, it calls into question the entire narrative of the shooting that has been provided mainly by Johnson himself.

If the Ferguson police had been more forthcoming about the incident up front, much of this week’s drama might have been avoided, or at least somewhat mitigated.

Update: Expect this to come up a lot in the days ahead:

If Brown and Johnson were fleeing from a felony theft, the shooting may have been justified under Missouri law — which may explain why the police handed out the report on the strong-arm robbery. But they still have not released the report on the shooting itself, and it doesn’t explain why it took six days to get around to discussing the robbery.


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Mr. Brown’s toxicology’s going to be interesting…What pumped an already big bully up to do such a damn stupid thing and put us where we are today?

gracie on August 15, 2014 at 12:56 PM

So, a package of cigar wrappers. That’s a capitol felony. Does anyone here imagine that the shopkeeper, had he been armed, would have shot Brown over a package of cigar wrappers?

eh on August 15, 2014 at 12:38 PM

Uh, the cost of the item isn’t the determining factor here.

gwelf on August 15, 2014 at 12:42 PM

He also assaulted the clerk.

slickwillie2001 on August 15, 2014 at 12:56 PM

Let’s see how quickly CNN and MSNBC stop covering this situation.

TarheelBen on August 15, 2014 at 12:57 PM

When will people learn to wait for the FACTS to come in before jumping to conclusions. Haven’t we learned anything from the Duke lacross case and the Trayvon Martin case? These race hustlers just can’t help themselves. Everything is race to them regardless of facts.

Ta111 on August 15, 2014 at 12:57 PM

Now we know why Obama was so sullen yesterday during his press conference.

He knew the facts behind the case.

sentinelrules on August 15, 2014 at 12:37 PM

Yep. He was briefed. Said it upthread, but I bet the Sharpton rally gets canceled.

Missy on August 15, 2014 at 12:57 PM

So do you suppose Aqua rode his clown bike away honking his big horn the whole time? Too funny.

CW on August 15, 2014 at 12:57 PM

Later, you mostly incipient fascists/ISIS supporters.

Have a wonderful day working with the Statists to excuse inexcusable State actions!

Aquateen Hungerforce on August 15, 2014 at 12:47 PM

Tell the folks at Wendy’s I said High!

Del Dolemonte on August 15, 2014 at 12:57 PM

He also assaulted the clerk.

slickwillie2001 on August 15, 2014 at 12:56 PM

That was the strong armed part. If he had just run out the door…but ooohhhh noooo, he’s gotta be a doofus and knock around a little guy running his store….

gracie on August 15, 2014 at 12:58 PM

Forcibly stealing property is a Class B felony in Missouri. Seems harsh to me if it was less than a $50 box of cigars, but that’s what it says:

http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/C500-599/5690000030.HTM

jim56 on August 15, 2014 at 12:51 PM

Guess, you didn’t bother to actual reading about what happened or looked at the actual physical evidence and testimony as to what happened.

Robbery is the crime of taking or attempting to take something of value by force or threat of force or by putting the victim in fear. At common law, robbery is defined as taking the property of another, with the intent to permanently deprive the person of that property, by means of force or fear.

You’re not much of a lawyer jimbo3. Just another ignorant coward that shows his stupidity every time he posts.

HumpBot Salvation on August 15, 2014 at 12:59 PM

He also assaulted the clerk.

slickwillie2001 on August 15, 2014 at 12:56 PM

Assault + theft = robbery

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robbery
Wikipedia
At common law, robbery is defined as taking the property of another, with the intent to permanently deprive the person of that property, by means of force or fear.

LashRambo on August 15, 2014 at 12:59 PM

Excuse me, but didn’t you read the post? The post is about the stop being the result of the robbery investigation.

Dusty on August 15, 2014 at 12:45 PM

Perhaps I misread, but the post above (imho) certainly does NOT lay out any information that directly connects the robbery and the stop. Wilson was NOT the officer who investigated the robbery. There is NO mention made of the robbery information being passed to the police force before the stop of Brown and Johnson. And there is NO mention made that Wilson was making the stop because of the robbery.

Now, if it’s my poor reading skills this morning, fine. Please point out where those assertions were made in Ed’s post. If it’s not my reading comprehension, then it might be poor reporting on Ed’s part – everybody has off days. Or, it might be that none of that evidence was actually presented by the police. In which case, folks are jumping to a conclusion.

GWB on August 15, 2014 at 12:59 PM

When will people learn to wait for the FACTS to come in before jumping to conclusions. Haven’t we learned anything from the Duke lacross case and the Trayvon Martin case? These race hustlers just can’t help themselves. Everything is race to them regardless of facts.

Ta111 on August 15, 2014 at 12:57 PM

Never. They will never learn. As these posts and comment threads have shown, not even here at HotAir are we immune from the conclusion-jumpers.

Missy on August 15, 2014 at 12:59 PM

Let’s see how quickly CNN and MSNBC stop covering this situation.

TarheelBen on August 15, 2014 at 12:57 PM

I’m sure NewsBusters will have a field day over the next 24 hours with this story.

Del Dolemonte on August 15, 2014 at 12:59 PM

To quote Ethan Edwards, maybe he needed killin.

kingsmill on August 15, 2014 at 12:25 PM

So, kingsmill is saying the cop may have been justified, legally and perhaps morally?

That’s beyond the pale? When you admit we don’t know a lot?

Sounds like you’ve come to a conclusion already.

gwelf on August 15, 2014 at 12:40 PM

I don’t think that’s how kingsmill meant that, and it reads different.
But ok – maybe he meant it as you’re parsing it.
(I’m mostly annoyed he’d drag John Ford into it.)

The only conclusion I’ve come to is that people insist I’ve come to a conclusion. Maybe indeed the officers gun was grabbed and maybe when (according to several witnesses) Brown’s hands were up the officer still had some legitimate reason to keep shooting from a distance. But I do wonder – it seems more than many others – what that could possibly be.

verbaluce on August 15, 2014 at 12:59 PM

most of the witnesses distance statements that I have seen seem to be based off Dorian Johnson statement.
theres a credibility issue there.
still need more info before making any judgements.

dmacleo on August 15, 2014 at 1:00 PM

The “stop” was with in an hour (or was it 10 mintues) of the robbery. And they had descriptions. And I know they have the radio thingys where they do all that cop talk and tell each other about crimes and what to look out for and all that… DUH.

Walter L. Newton on August 15, 2014 at 12:47 PM

Please point out where in Ed’s post that link is made. Because I’m missing it. (Just because they have radios doesn’t mean the information was passed, nor that all officers received the information.)

GWB on August 15, 2014 at 1:02 PM

When will people learn to wait for the FACTS to come in before jumping to conclusions. Haven’t we learned anything from the Duke lacross case and the Trayvon Martin case? These race hustlers just can’t help themselves. Eve

rything is race to them regardless of facts.

Ta111 on August 15, 2014 at 12:57 PM

They just move on to the next story they can milk.

CW on August 15, 2014 at 1:02 PM

Brown’s hands were up the officer still had some legitimate reason to keep shooting from a distance. But I do wonder – it seems more than many others – what that could possibly be.

verbaluce on August 15, 2014 at 12:59 PM

Since we weren’t there and we don’t have all the info then there is no way to say what it could possibly be.

Walter L. Newton on August 15, 2014 at 1:03 PM

Forcibly stealing property is a Class B felony in Missouri. Seems harsh to me if it was less than a $50 box of cigars, but that’s what it says:

http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/C500-599/5690000030.HTM

jim56 on August 15, 2014 at 12:51 PM

Forcible being the key word.

Syzygy on August 15, 2014 at 1:03 PM

It’s sick that you think so.

[eh on August 15, 2014 at 12:51 PM]

I guess you haven’t seen the photocaptures of the video of the robbery suspect manhandling the shopkeeper. It seems to me you are not only the sick one, if you continue to defend rampant and arbitrary criminal thuggery, but part of the cancer afflicting civilized society.

Dusty on August 15, 2014 at 1:03 PM

If Brown and Johnson were fleeing from a felony theft, the shooting may have been justified under Missouri law — which may explain why the police handed out the report on the strong-arm robbery. But they still have not released the report on the shooting itself, and it doesn’t explain why it took six days to get around to discussing the robbery.

Forcibly stealing property is a Class B felony in Missouri. Seems harsh to me if it was less than a $50 box of cigars, but that’s what it says:

http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/C500-599/5690000030.HTM

jim56 on August 15, 2014 at 12:51 PM

Please tell me you deal in contract law and not criminal law. I shudder to think of you as a defense attorney. By the way, what year?

HonestLib on August 15, 2014 at 1:04 PM

Or, it might be that none of that evidence was actually presented by the police. In which case, folks are jumping to a conclusion.
GWB on August 15, 2014 at 12:59 PM

I haven’t heard if there even were any procedural connection between the two incidents, e.g. an ABP, radioed description of robbery & a suspect ID or the like to which the officer was responding.

whatcat on August 15, 2014 at 1:06 PM

Forcibly stealing property is a Class B felony in Missouri. Seems harsh to me if it was less than a $50 box of cigars, but that’s what it says:

http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/C500-599/5690000030.HTM

jim56 on August 15, 2014 at 12:51 PM

My guess, he wanted more than the cigars.

CW on August 15, 2014 at 1:06 PM

Maybe indeed the officers gun was grabbed and maybe when (according to several witnesses) Brown’s hands were up the officer still had some legitimate reason to keep shooting from a distance. But I do wonder – it seems more than many others – what that could possibly be.

verbaluce on August 15, 2014 at 12:59 PM

What do you think it was, verby? Spill it.

HumpBot Salvation on August 15, 2014 at 1:07 PM

It’s not the cigar wrappers. Use your head. It’s a violent assault in the perpetration of a robbery, a crime of violence against a person, not a mere theft.. The problem isn’t in the value of the stolen goods but in the demonstrated threat to the community posed by a violent criminal.

novaculus on August 15, 2014 at 12:47 PM

All I read in the report and saw in the video stills was a scuffle over a package of cigar wrappers.

The letter of the law notwithstanding, can you acknowledge that there’s some distance between swiping a package of cigar wrappers then puffing up at a convenience store clerk when he tries to get them back from you and the scenario you might ordinarily think of when you hear the phrase, “violent assault in the perpetration of a robbery”?

eh on August 15, 2014 at 1:07 PM

GWB on August 15, 2014 at 12:59 PM

You have an ax to grind, and it’s showing. We’ll know soon enough if the cop knew about the robbery, but it’s plausible he did. A reasonable assumption.

LashRambo on August 15, 2014 at 1:07 PM

It sure is a shame if the perp traded his life for a measly box of cigars.

Especially when he could have waited a few days and gotten Air Jordans or a super-screen TV for free.

/

viking01 on August 15, 2014 at 1:08 PM

Please point out where in Ed’s post that link is made. Because I’m missing it. (Just because they have radios doesn’t mean the information was passed, nor that all officers received the information.)

GWB on August 15, 2014 at 1:02 PM

Whether Ed points it out or not – there is a connection …

Officer Darren Wilson was one of the officers who responded to the area after a dispatcher gave a description of the store robbery suspect over the police radio.

http://wqad.com/2014/08/15/michael-brown-suspected-of-robbery-just-before-he-was-fatally-shot-in-ferguson/

Are you actually doubting that the officer stopped Brown because he fit the description of the robbery suspect?

Pork-Chop on August 15, 2014 at 1:08 PM

Please tell me you deal in contract law and not criminal law. I shudder to think of you as a defense attorney. By the way, what year?

HonestLib on August 15, 2014 at 1:04 PM

Oh any type of law for that one would be scary. He clearly lacks comprehension skills which is death whether it be criminal or contract. I say he is a Poser with a capital P.

CW on August 15, 2014 at 1:08 PM

The boy in the video stills looks like a charming, well-mannered young man at the store to spread civility and friendship.

If this is the deceased, surely he was executed while offering to wash and hand-wax the squad car.

nico on August 15, 2014 at 1:09 PM

Are you actually doubting that the officer stopped Brown because he fit the description of the robbery suspect?

Pork-Chop on August 15, 2014 at 1:08 PM

Probably another one that doesn’t care. You know , narrative and all.

CW on August 15, 2014 at 1:10 PM

Mr. Brown’s toxicology’s going to be interesting…What pumped an already big bully up to do such a damn stupid thing and put us where we are today?

gracie on August 15, 2014 at 12:56 PM

This is not about Mr. Brown.

Dealt with my share of tweakers and you can crack the bull two or three times on them and they jump up charging with amazing strength. They, in-of-themselves, can be a dangerous weapon. They get within 11′ of you, and you can now be in a life and death situation with an “unarmed” person.

I read a lot of books.

HonestLib on August 15, 2014 at 1:10 PM

It is amazing- If Michael Brown had shot this cop: Lib, Verb, and Aqua would be screaming to withhold judgment until the trial was over!!!!!

melle1228 on August 15, 2014 at 12:40 PM

+1

gwelf on August 15, 2014 at 12:43 PM

Says you.
I certainly have far less of an opinion of George Zimmerman than many here – and don’t support the cartoonish caricature of Travon Martin sold and embraced by many here – but I fully supported that verdict in that trial.
And for the record, I think Mumia is right where he belongs.

verbaluce on August 15, 2014 at 1:10 PM

So, a package of cigar wrappers. That’s a capitol felony. Does anyone here imagine that the shopkeeper, had he been armed, would have shot Brown over a package of cigar wrappers?

eh on August 15, 2014 at 12:38 PM

Uh, the cost of the item isn’t the determining factor here.

gwelf on August 15, 2014 at 12:42 PM

It’s sick that you think so.

eh on August 15, 2014 at 12:51 PM

It’s sick that you think your are psychic.

BTW, when someone is “forcing” someone to do something; they are using a form of violence. The victim normally does not know where that violence will lead and as such it is quite REASONABLE TO USE VIOLENCE BACK. The shop keeper was about a FOOT SHORTER than Brown. Violence back would have probably required some sort of force that would have either killed Brown or at the least hurt him badly enough to incapacitate him. It is quite sick that you would second guess a victim of violence.

melle1228 on August 15, 2014 at 1:11 PM

The letter of the law notwithstanding, can you acknowledge that there’s some distance between swiping a package of cigar wrappers then puffing up at a convenience store clerk when he tries to get them back from you and the scenario you might ordinarily think of when you hear the phrase, “violent assault in the perpetration of a robbery”?

eh on August 15, 2014 at 1:07 PM

Guess it depends on what side of the stealing and puffing up you are on. Or whether you are 6’4″ and 290lbs or 5’6″ and 140lbs.

But glad to know..in your mind..someone has to be beaten to within an inch of their lives to warrant a robbery designation.

HumpBot Salvation on August 15, 2014 at 1:11 PM

For Assquateen

Schadenfreude on August 15, 2014 at 1:11 PM

Says you.
I certainly have far less of an opinion of George Zimmerman than many here – and don’t support the cartoonish caricature of Travon Martin sold and embraced by many here – but I fully supported that verdict in that trial.
And for the record, I think Mumia is right where he belongs.

verbaluce on August 15, 2014 at 1:10 PM

Then my respect for you grew..

melle1228 on August 15, 2014 at 1:12 PM

If this is the deceased, surely he was executed while offering to wash and hand-wax the squad car.

nico on August 15, 2014 at 1:09 PM

He was executed for trying to return to the clerk and apologize for assaulting him.

Rev Al said so.

sentinelrules on August 15, 2014 at 1:12 PM

All I read in the report and saw in the video stills was a scuffle over a package of cigar wrappers.

The letter of the law notwithstanding, can you acknowledge that there’s some distance between swiping a package of cigar wrappers then puffing up at a convenience store clerk when he tries to get them back from you and the scenario you might ordinarily think of when you hear the phrase, “violent assault in the perpetration of a robbery”?

eh on August 15, 2014 at 1:07 PM

Apparently you do. I think you’re wrong. A theft is a theft. And an assault is an assault. It’s clear to me both those things happened. What is an assault supposed to look like? Like that. What is a theft? You take something.

A guy kills someone, and then takes his shoes. They’re just shoes, and, he’s dead, what does he need them for? That’s how a criminal thinks. The legal system says, robbery in the course of a killing, that makes it much more serious. Capital murder. But they were just shoes, whines the criminal.

“They were just cigars, and I hardly hurt him, if at all”. That’s how criminals think. They don’t care about other people, or how other people experience things.

LashRambo on August 15, 2014 at 1:13 PM

LOL Don Lemon interviewing protestors who are saying the po-po photoshopped the photos of Brown at the convenience store.

They’re (the po-po) trying to ‘besmirtch’ his reputation.

It was NOT Mike Brown!

Omg.

WhirledPeas on August 15, 2014 at 1:14 PM

They photo shopped those videos
- someone on Cnn right now

Holy cow

Smh

cmsinaz on August 15, 2014 at 1:14 PM

My guess, he wanted more than the cigars.

CW on August 15, 2014 at 1:06 PM

Agreed. Being “denied” may have led to further poor choices resulting in his warranty being canceled.
As Saint Trayvon quickly learned… don’t try to murder an armed Neighborhood Watch guy.

Last fall there was a ghetto shooting where the motivation was his “friend’s” football team winning instead of his.
When that sense of entitlement gets denied all bets are suddenly off.

viking01 on August 15, 2014 at 1:14 PM

It’s sick that you think so.

eh on August 15, 2014 at 12:51 PM

Look in the mirror. If you were the victim you’d think differently.

CW on August 15, 2014 at 1:14 PM

Well, once again a supposedly innocent young black man who reporters say was “gunned down” is revealed to have been violently assaulting one or more persons as a prelude to his death. And on top of that the store that was robbed got torched in rioting that resulted from the inflammatory reporting of the shooting. What a coincidence!

Gee, maybe “the Reverend” Al Sharpton, aka Mr. Tawana Brawley, owes society an apology for stoking the flames of racial hatred once again.

JayVee on August 15, 2014 at 1:15 PM

Oh any type of law for that one would be scary. He clearly lacks comprehension skills which is death whether it be criminal or contract. I say he is a Poser with a capital P.

CW on August 15, 2014 at 1:08 PM

I rarely make things personal, unless I am trying to joke, but in this case Jimbo3/Jim56 has bragged out loud about being a top notch attorney. If I ever bragged out loud here about being the best of the best pilot…..well I am just ask me!

HonestLib on August 15, 2014 at 1:15 PM

Jinx whirled :)

cmsinaz on August 15, 2014 at 1:15 PM

Agreed. Being “denied” may have led to further poor choices

viking01 on August 15, 2014 at 1:14 PM

When someone stands up to a punk the punk tends to move on…to another victim.

CW on August 15, 2014 at 1:16 PM

Says you.
I certainly have far less of an opinion of George Zimmerman than many here – and don’t support the cartoonish caricature of Travon Martin sold and embraced by many here – but I fully supported that verdict in that trial.
And for the record, I think Mumia is right where he belongs.

verbaluce on August 15, 2014 at 1:10 PM

Then my respect for you grew..

melle1228 on August 15, 2014 at 1:12 PM

Agreed.

I just wish verby was as level-headed when it came to the federal government and the Obama administration.

gwelf on August 15, 2014 at 1:16 PM

The only one that said his hands were up or that he was shot in the back was the second suspect, Dorian Johnson.

The 6’4″ 290 pound man, “Big Mike”, AND his buddy Dorian would be a difficult arrest to make on your own. When there are two suspects and one of them out weighs you by over 100 pounds it is tough.

From the video, it appears he had no problem intimidating smaller people.

Did he play football? Did he know how to throw his weight around?

If I were a cop on the street, I would own a personal gopro.

A gun may saved his life, but the gopro might have saved his future.

barnone on August 15, 2014 at 1:17 PM

Says you.
I certainly have far less of an opinion of George Zimmerman than many here – and don’t support the cartoonish caricature of Travon Martin sold and embraced by many here – but I fully supported that verdict in that trial.
And for the record, I think Mumia is right where he belongs.

verbaluce on August 15, 2014 at 1:10 PM

Crap, now I can’t say you’ve never gotten anything right in your commenting history here. Then again, I don’t recall you ever supporting the Zimmerman verdict in actual threads about it.

Now about this.

Maybe indeed the officers gun was grabbed and maybe when (according to several witnesses) Brown’s hands were up the officer still had some legitimate reason to keep shooting from a distance. But I do wonder – it seems more than many others – what that could possibly be.

verbaluce on August 15, 2014 at 12:59 PM

What do you think it was, verby? Spill it.

HumpBot Salvation on August 15, 2014 at 1:07 PM

HumpBot Salvation on August 15, 2014 at 1:17 PM

“They were just cigars, and I hardly hurt him, if at all”. That’s how criminals think. They don’t care about other people, or how other people experience things.

LashRambo on August 15, 2014 at 1:13 PM

eh doesn’t care.

Just another dreamer living in the land of candy canes, rainbows, and unicorns.

CW on August 15, 2014 at 1:18 PM

You have an ax to grind, and it’s showing. We’ll know soon enough if the cop knew about the robbery, but it’s plausible he did. A reasonable assumption.

LashRambo on August 15, 2014 at 1:07 PM

I do? Oh, that’s right, you and I tussled before over something where I suggested we actually get the facts. If that’s what you consider an “ax to grind” then fine.

Are you actually doubting that the officer stopped Brown because he fit the description of the robbery suspect?

Pork-Chop on August 15, 2014 at 1:08 PM

OK, that’s information that isn’t in the above post. And I think I missed it in another story I read. Thank you. With that information, it is very unlikely that the stop was made ignorant of the connection. I stand corrected. Thanks again for the info and link, Pork-Chop. (There’s too much flying about on this and I am not keeping up with every story.)

GWB on August 15, 2014 at 1:19 PM

cmsinaz on August 15, 2014 at 1:15 PM

Lol and then Wolfie: “Well, the photos are blurry”.

Omg.

WhirledPeas on August 15, 2014 at 1:19 PM

He also assaulted the clerk.

slickwillie2001 on August 15, 2014 at 12:56 PM

https://twitter.com/MarkDice/status/500314969221906432/photo/1

davidk on August 15, 2014 at 1:19 PM

One thing to hold on to – it is possible that BOTH people involved were in the wrong. It is also entirely possible that the officer was legally authorized to shoot Mr Brown in the back as he fled, but that doesn’t mean it was the wise or prudent thing to do.

GWB on August 15, 2014 at 12:48 PM

Exactly. Much agreed.

Bee on August 15, 2014 at 1:20 PM

A package of cigar wrappers.

I remember when the people at HA were so anti-fascist that the mere presence of law enforcement in the case of a land-poacher who surrounded himself with an armed gang was the beginning of the end for our democracy.

First they came for the land poachers,
And I did nothing, for I was all hat and no cattle.

eh on August 15, 2014 at 1:20 PM

They photo shopped those videos
- someone on Cnn right now

Holy cow

Smh

cmsinaz on August 15, 2014 at 1:14 PM

Somebody black said that?

sentinelrules on August 15, 2014 at 1:20 PM

Probably another one that doesn’t care. You know , narrative and all.

CW on August 15, 2014 at 1:10 PM

You should darn well know better than to make that sort of accusation about me, CW.

GWB on August 15, 2014 at 1:20 PM

If anyone added to the “cartoonish character” of Trayvon it was the refined, soft-spoken, articulate Rachel Jeantel.

viking01 on August 15, 2014 at 1:21 PM

They photo shopped those videos
- someone on Cnn right now

Holy cow

Smh

cmsinaz on August 15, 2014 at 1:14 PM

CNN article on website has some quotes of people complaining that the police released those photos. A few days ago they were complaining that the police wouldn’t release details of the whole investigation.

You can please some of the people some of the time…

Walter L. Newton on August 15, 2014 at 1:21 PM

A gun may saved his life, but the gopro might have saved his future.

barnone on August 15, 2014 at 1:17 PM

No matter how the trial turns out. Heck they could have video proving the officer’s innocence and his future is still bleak. The Race baitors and hustlers will destroy you. Truth be damned.

CW on August 15, 2014 at 1:21 PM

LOL Don Lemon interviewing protestors who are saying the po-po photoshopped the photos of Brown at the convenience store.

They’re (the po-po) trying to ‘besmirtch’ his reputation.

It was NOT Mike Brown!

Omg.

WhirledPeas on August 15, 2014 at 1:14 PM

And, no doubt, Don Lemon is eating it up, and saying that he “understands” where they’re coming from.

And CNN wonders why their ratings are in the toilet.

Pork-Chop on August 15, 2014 at 1:22 PM

GWB on August 15, 2014 at 1:20 PM

All you had to do was read about the story elsewhere.

Playing dumb-but I didn’t read it above- is weak. Terribly weak sauce. You know it.

CW on August 15, 2014 at 1:23 PM

sentinelrules on August 15, 2014 at 1:20 PM

Several. They said the reason it took the police 5 days to release the photos is because they were busy photoshopping them to look like Michael Brown.

WhirledPeas on August 15, 2014 at 1:23 PM

The letter of the law notwithstanding, can you acknowledge that there’s some distance between swiping a package of cigar wrappers then puffing up at a convenience store clerk when he tries to get them back from you and the scenario you might ordinarily think of when you hear the phrase, “violent assault in the perpetration of a robbery”?

eh on August 15, 2014 at 1:07 PM

Did you not see “Big Mike” choking the store clerk?

If a 6’4″ 290 lb person choked you AND you filled out a police report, would you want them to arrest that person?

If not, you are either a moron or just stoking the comments.

(and now I realize I am feeding the troll. Palm to head)

barnone on August 15, 2014 at 1:24 PM

If Brown assaulted the police officer, as several witnesses have testified (and the police say the cop was treated for injuries), doesn’t that constitute a felony? It seems to me the question comes down to whether the final shots which killed Brown were justified.

tarheelkate on August 15, 2014 at 1:24 PM

A package of cigar wrappers.

eh on August 15, 2014 at 1:20 PM

You’re pretty slow. It is about how he got them and the violence involved. GO f yourself. You’re playing games. Tiresome little kids should not be playing online.

CW on August 15, 2014 at 1:25 PM

eh on August 15, 2014 at 1:07 PM

The facts always put the seriousness of the crime in perspective. A friend of mine, and his wife, were both murdered in their gun store in separate armed robberies. Of course those were more serious crimes.

But there is very good reason to draw the felony line at violence of any kind. Here we have a 300 pound thug assaulting an older and much smaller victim. Suppose the man had struck his head when he fell and was seriously injured or killed?

In a way, the minimal value of stolen property makes the violence employed even worse. This thug risked the safety of an innocent man for a bunch of cheap cigars?

And don’t tell me it doesn’t happen. People regularly go to prison for manslaughter for deaths they caused when they “only” meant to give the victim a garden-variety beating. You know, swollen lip, black eyes, nothing to get excited about.

The line is drawn at violence, and for damned good reason.

We don’t have the information we need to make informed judgments in this situation yet. But the laws on violence against the person weren’t re-written yesterday just to trap misguided minority youth who really aren’t bad guys even if they occasionally assault elderly store owners in strong-arm robberies.

Exit question: If this thug had a handgun, do you doubt for an instant he would have used it in that robbery? How much more dangerous would that scenario be?

novaculus on August 15, 2014 at 1:25 PM

Several. They said the reason it took the police 5 days to release the photos is because they were busy photoshopping them to look like Michael Brown.

WhirledPeas on August 15, 2014 at 1:23 PM

Hahahahahahahahhaahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Black Twitter must be extra hilarious today.

sentinelrules on August 15, 2014 at 1:25 PM

Did you not see “Big Mike” choking the store clerk?

If a 6’4″ 290 lb person choked you AND you filled out a police report, would you want them to arrest that person?

If not, you are either a moron or just stoking the comments.

(and now I realize I am feeding the troll. Palm to head)

barnone on August 15, 2014 at 1:24 PM

Eh’s an idiot.

CW on August 15, 2014 at 1:26 PM

A package of cigar wrappers.

I remember when the people at HA were so anti-fascist that the mere presence of law enforcement in the case of a land-poacher who surrounded himself with an armed gang was the beginning of the end for our democracy.

First they came for the land poachers,
And I did nothing, for I was all hat and no cattle.

eh on August 15, 2014 at 1:20 PM

Actually, it was attempting to take an officers gun and shoot him with it that did him in.

Now where do you live? I need a new TV and computer.

And here’s you a chant you can use.

No Loot. No Shoot.

HumpBot Salvation on August 15, 2014 at 1:26 PM

Lol whirled

They are hating what is coming out

cmsinaz on August 15, 2014 at 1:26 PM

verbaluce on August 15, 2014 at 1:10 PM

I don’t know what happened in this case, but if, as some claim, the cop did shoot Brown multiple times from a distance after Brown had raised his hands and stopped resisting, then I would certainly want to know the reason why.

Once a suspect has stopped resisting, force — especially deadly force — should no longer be used.

But we don’t know the facts here and as is so often the case, most of the initial reports turn out to be inaccurate. The first reports I read about this case said that Brown had been stopped by the cop for nothing more than walking in the middle of the street. Now we learn that Brown had just robbed a store and assaulted a clerk. Similarly, in the Trayvon Martin case, the initial reports were claiming that Martin was a little black kid, innocently walking home from the store with his candy when he was shot in the back. It was a couple of days later before we learned that Martin was a 6-ft tall football player who had punched and jumped on a pudgy hispanic guy and had pinned him to the ground and was beating on him when the hispanic guy shot him in the chest.

AZCoyote on August 15, 2014 at 1:26 PM

A package of cigar wrappers.

I remember when the people at HA were so anti-fascist that the mere presence of law enforcement in the case of a land-poacher who surrounded himself with an armed gang was the beginning of the end for our democracy.

First they came for the land poachers,
And I did nothing, for I was all hat and no cattle.

eh on August 15, 2014 at 1:20 PM

Eh.

First of all, there’s many here who are saying it’s possible that the cop in this situation had no justification for what he did and that a thorough investigation is called for.

Second, are you saying a rancher not paying his land usage fees and being pushed off of land because of tortoises (while the Reid family arranges for their crony supporters to violate the sacred tortoise habitat) is the same as assault and robbery and a cop shooting someone in self defense?

gwelf on August 15, 2014 at 1:27 PM

LOL Don Lemon interviewing protestors who are saying the po-po photoshopped the photos of Brown at the convenience store.

They’re (the po-po) trying to ‘besmirtch’ his reputation.

It was NOT Mike Brown!

Omg.

WhirledPeas on August 15, 2014 at 1:14 PM

And, no doubt, Don Lemon is eating it up, and saying that he “understands” where they’re coming from.

And CNN wonders why their ratings are in the toilet.

Pork-Chop on August 15, 2014 at 1:22 PM

CNN: The network of black holes swallowing missing jets.

Bitter Clinger on August 15, 2014 at 1:27 PM

Yes sentinel

Indeed Walter

cmsinaz on August 15, 2014 at 1:28 PM

So who are the conspiracy nuts now?

CW on August 15, 2014 at 1:29 PM

A package of cigar wrappers.

eh on August 15, 2014 at 1:20 PM

‘wrappers’???

You’re not very bright are you?

faraway on August 15, 2014 at 1:29 PM

First they came for the land poachers,
And I did nothing, for I was all hat and no cattle.

eh on August 15, 2014 at 1:20 PM

Stay on topic and play nice and folks will treat you with respect. Lets just get the truth out in the open. You don’t like conservatives and will never agree with them. Fine, why waste your time trolling as I am sure you got something better to do. Me, I am digging through my locker at work trying to find that last Depends…that way I can make it home without stopping.

Stay or go, but have fun in a nice and enjoyable way.

HonestLib on August 15, 2014 at 1:29 PM

A guy kills someone, and then takes his shoes. They’re just shoes, and, …

LashRambo on August 15, 2014 at 1:13 PM

But…Brown didn’t kill anybody. You see how you can’t sell this as a justified use of deadly force without pretending that Brown did something other than what he is alleged to have done?

eh on August 15, 2014 at 1:29 PM

CW on August 15, 2014 at 12:57 PM

I actually drove my BMW to a steak lunch and now am back at work finishing a presentation for a Fortune 50 company.

How is your fascinating day going, pig jock sniffer?

Aquateen Hungerforce on August 15, 2014 at 1:29 PM

Why did Big Mike commit a Hate Crime on this poor immigrant? Over some cigar wrappers?

faraway on August 15, 2014 at 1:30 PM

Look in the mirror. If you were the victim you’d think differently.

CW on August 15, 2014 at 1:14 PM

I actually put that question earlier: Does anyone here believe that the store clerk, had be been armed, would have shot someone over a package of cigar wrappers?

eh on August 15, 2014 at 1:31 PM

Once a suspect has stopped resisting, force — especially deadly force — should no longer be used.
.

AZCoyote on August 15, 2014 at 1:26 PM

Did you read the last part of Ed’s post?

CW on August 15, 2014 at 1:31 PM

But…Brown didn’t kill anybody.

eh on August 15, 2014 at 1:29 PM

eh would prefer that criminals kill a few cops first… just to balance things out. Like those dirty Jews./

faraway on August 15, 2014 at 1:31 PM

If Brown assaulted the police officer, as several witnesses have testified (and the police say the cop was treated for injuries), doesn’t that constitute a felony? It seems to me the question comes down to whether the final shots which killed Brown were justified.

tarheelkate on August 15, 2014 at 1:24 PM

Right. All we know at this point is the reason why Officer Wilson was called to the scene. We still don’t have all the facts about what occurred between Brown and Wilson. But I’m more inclined to believe the Ferguson Chief of Police over the statement of the Johnson guy who was with Brown at the convenience store.

TarheelBen on August 15, 2014 at 1:31 PM

I read a lot of books.

HonestLib on August 15, 2014 at 1:10 PM

I watch ADAM-12 on MeTV. I know how these things work.

One Adam’12; See the man.

davidk on August 15, 2014 at 1:31 PM

LOL Don Lemon interviewing protestors who are saying the po-po photoshopped the photos of Brown at the convenience store.

They’re (the po-po) trying to ‘besmirtch’ his reputation.

It was NOT Mike Brown!

Omg.

WhirledPeas on August 15, 2014 at 1:14 PM

“Haters gotta Hate!”

Ned Pepper, 24/7

Del Dolemonte on August 15, 2014 at 1:32 PM

Perhaps if the Ferguson PD had spent some of that money used to buy DoD equipment on a good PR person with authority to disseminate info into the community in a timely manner, million$ in damage could have been prevented, and their town wouldn’t look like a war zone.
The City of Ferguson needs to reassess their priorities.

Another Drew on August 15, 2014 at 1:32 PM

All you had to do was read about the story elsewhere.

Playing dumb-but I didn’t read it above- is weak. Terribly weak sauce. You know it.

CW on August 15, 2014 at 1:23 PM

I haven’t had time. Sorry if that isn’t good enough. My difficulty was always with stating that fact as if it were self-evident. Pork-Chop delivered the goods and I said I was wrong. But I’m not “all about the narrative” and you should know that.

It seems to me the question comes down to whether the final shots which killed Brown were justified.

tarheelkate on August 15, 2014 at 1:24 PM

In the legal sense, yes. And, no, to some people – even if there were unedited video of the guy hacking officer Wilson up with a machete – him having shot Wilson to death will never be “justified”. sigh

GWB on August 15, 2014 at 1:32 PM

Does anyone here believe that the store clerk, had be been armed, would have shot someone over a package of cigar wrappers?

eh on August 15, 2014 at 1:31 PM

No, but the poor immigrant did defend himself after 300 lb. Big Mike’s Hate Crime.

faraway on August 15, 2014 at 1:33 PM

Why did Big Mike commit a Hate Crime on this poor immigrant? Over some cigar wrappers?

faraway on August 15, 2014 at 1:30 PM

Was the store clerk LBGT?

barnone on August 15, 2014 at 1:33 PM

Wrt the idea of photo-shopping the security cam pics, allow me to say this. If you are a photo-shopper, I’m sure you’ll appreciate the challenge of shopping those pictures: not impossible, but difficult. But far more importantly, if the store clerk wasn’t roughed up by Brown, that information would inevitably get out. You don’t ‘shop an event that includes living witnesses.

Immolate on August 15, 2014 at 1:33 PM

Poor AquaTeen living in a land of delusion short pecker and all. Gawd you’re hilarious. Are their people as crazy as you in the real world? Are you even functional?

CW on August 15, 2014 at 1:33 PM

But…Brown didn’t kill anybody. You see how you can’t sell this as a justified use of deadly force without pretending that Brown did something other than what he is alleged to have done?

eh on August 15, 2014 at 1:29 PM

The stealing of cigars and even the menacing of the store clerk are somewhat separate from the circumstances that got him killed (which we don’t know yet). I say “somewhat” because we do know he wasn’t the angel he was portrayed as, though those acts alone would not warrant having deadly force used.

Bitter Clinger on August 15, 2014 at 1:33 PM

You see how you can’t sell this as a justified use of deadly force without pretending that Brown did something other than what he is alleged to have done?

eh on August 15, 2014 at 1:29 PM

Something other than the reported assault on the cop? Because that is what likely led to the shooting, not the prior assault on the store clerk (or the robbery).

AZCoyote on August 15, 2014 at 1:34 PM

A guy kills someone, and then takes his shoes. They’re just shoes, and, …

LashRambo on August 15, 2014 at 1:13 PM

But…Brown didn’t kill anybody. You see how you can’t sell this as a justified use of deadly force without pretending that Brown did something other than what he is alleged to have done?

eh on August 15, 2014 at 1:29 PM

You’re really slow. You don’t even get the most basic points. You’re the one excusing crimes based on the minimal value of the property stolen through violence. You really cannot be this dense..no way.

CW on August 15, 2014 at 1:35 PM

You see how you can’t sell this as a justified use of deadly force without pretending that Brown did something other than what he is alleged to have done?

eh on August 15, 2014 at 1:29 PM

He is alleged to have assaulted the officer in the patrol car and attempted to seize the officer’s gun.

If that is the case, and then he gave up the struggle for the gun and attempted to flee, then yes, that gets a person shot under the laws of many states.

Missy on August 15, 2014 at 1:35 PM

Yes sentinel

Indeed Walter

cmsinaz on August 15, 2014 at 1:28 PM

???

Walter L. Newton on August 15, 2014 at 1:35 PM

tarheelkate on August 15, 2014 at 1:24 PM

Getting physical with an office is not automatically assault. The pig will generally charge you with assault, but if the detainment was illegal, if the pig is acting under color of law, or if you feel your life is in jeopardy, you have an absolute right to fight back against an aggressive and or abusive officer. If they end up killing you, they would still be unjustified and it would not matter that they claimed you “assaulted” them if you were legally defending yourself against unlawful police action.

Aquateen Hungerforce on August 15, 2014 at 1:36 PM

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