An interview with a would-be Western jihadi

posted at 7:21 pm on August 15, 2014 by Noah Rothman

The estimates vary as to how many citizens of Western countries have traveled to the Middle East with the intention of joining with Islamic State fighters. A July estimate suggested that as many as 10,000 foreigners could be in Syria fighting alongside anti-Assad rebels, including the Islamic State. Another 3,000 ISIS militants were believed to hold European or other Western passports, and another 100 were believed to be American citizens.

Western intelligence officials have surely been losing sleep over the nature of the threat posed by Western citizens, trained in Jihad, but carrying identification which allows them to easily transit into and out of the West. In July, it was revealed that Moner Mohammad Abusalha, an American who fought alongside ISIS in Syria and executed a suicide attack on pro-Assad forces in May, traveled freely to and from the United States undetected before carrying out his mission.

For some, it is hard to comprehend the urge to leave the West and to live under and fight for Sharia law. That is why this interview with the British national, Abu Rumaysah, is illuminating (Via Tom Gara and Charles Lister):

It’s a scary portrait of a person of conviction, sober and in their right mind, who openly pines for the day when the U.K., too, is a Sharia state and refuses to renounce terror in order to achieve that objective. The report ends with the terrifying fact that at least 500 British citizens are currently fighting and training in the Islamic state.

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Who said he’s in his ‘right mind’?

Just because someone can speak does not make them a good thinker, or even sane.

Terrorists need to be put down like rabid raccoons. Quickly and without mercy, then burn the body.

Diluculo on August 15, 2014 at 7:26 PM

Lord willing, they’ll all be killed while they’re there.

307wolverine on August 15, 2014 at 7:31 PM

Someone that is radicalized cannot be reasoned with. You cannot peacefully co-exist with them. They must killed. This is a fight between good and evil. They personify evil. Choose your side…

rmkdbq on August 15, 2014 at 7:32 PM

I guess they couldn’t get an interview with an actual Western jihadi like Obama.

VorDaj on August 15, 2014 at 7:33 PM

Someone that is radicalized cannot be reasoned with.

rmkdbq on August 15, 2014 at 7:32 PM

He is not “radicalized”. He is a dedicated follower of Mohammad, the founder of Islam and all Muslim’s “Perfect Man”, and his commands and examples.

VorDaj on August 15, 2014 at 7:41 PM

Western intelligence officials have surely been losing sleep over the nature of the threat posed by Western citizens, trained in Jihad, but carrying identification which allows them to easily transit into and out of the West.

No, U.S. intelligence officials are too worried about the threats posed by U.S. veterans and TEA Party members to care about islamist jihadists.

ROCnPhilly on August 15, 2014 at 7:44 PM

So that’s what aquateenhungerforce looks like.

RickB on August 15, 2014 at 7:57 PM

Let them go back, and take away their passports. Let them live in the Stone Age, and when they want to come back to the West to see their friends, tell them we have a new Berlin Wall.

And if they raise weapons against the West, turn their stone huts into parking lots. This is a situation where Total War will have to be justified.

Washington Fancy on August 15, 2014 at 7:58 PM

Find and kill. No compunction.

Mason on August 15, 2014 at 9:46 PM

The Islamists say they love death more than non-Moslems love life. Their definition of “peace” is when all live under Sharia. When they say Islam is the “religion of peace,” that is the “peace” to which they refer.

Either we will exterminate this existential threat to civilization or they will kill us all. Thus we conservatives better get involved in party politics where we each live and ensure we elect the kind of people who will help lead the fight to defeat this threat to all of us.

Four books I can recommend:

“The Looming Tower — Al Qaeda and the Road to 9/11” by Lawrence Wright

“They Must Be Stopped,” by Grigette Gabriel

“Stealth Jihad” and “The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades),” by Robert Spencer

Thank you.
Cold Warrior

Cold Warrior on August 15, 2014 at 10:01 PM

He and his kind are no different than communists in their desire for a tyrannical state. Because they won’t, just like the communist leaders didn’t, have to live under its rules. Remember the nomenklatura.

rlwo2008 on August 15, 2014 at 10:12 PM

History repeats like a bad hot pepper.

These criminals look much like the Thugs or Thuggee of India. An organized bad of murders and thieves. They to placed their origin to the 14th Century and were decent from the seven Muslim tribes.

jpcpt03 on August 15, 2014 at 10:14 PM

Top baby name in Britain: Mohammed.

PattyJ on August 15, 2014 at 10:52 PM

Most interesting thing on HA today.

forest on August 16, 2014 at 12:08 AM

Why would the British government want to stop muslims from leaving? They should send them off with a swift kick in the butt. Take you friends and your kids with you. American muslims should go too.

Dan_Yul on August 16, 2014 at 1:44 AM

They are just getting started. And who is going to stop ISIS? The EU?
American boys and girls? Western progressive intellectuals, artists, and jourNolists? The American Democrat Party? The UK Labor Party? The European socialists? I expect ISIS will achieve some surprise major victory within a year. Jordan may be able to defend Jordan. Lebanon with the help of Hezboullah may be able to defend Lebanon. The Kurds with our help will defend Kurdistan. In my opinion Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, both of whom helped create ISIS, are ripe plums. Turkey will defend Turkey. Iran will defend itself and Shia Iraq. ISIS is a Sunni creation so Sunnis everywhere are of two minds. Developments in the Syrian War may be a key indicator.

Viator on August 16, 2014 at 7:46 AM

Doyle what is wrong with you?


You’re vile.

CW on August 16, 2014 at 7:47 AM

Mr. Hargrave may be one of those lefty plants, leaving vile comments on conservative sites. Or maybe he is not. The fact that they do not ever refer to the topic of the story increases my belief that “Hargrave” is just a lefty plant. But, it is up to Hot Air/Town Hall to review their comment boards.

Town Hall continues to prove it is just too damn lazy to police its own operations. This was a terrific story that I would have liked to share with friends of various political views. But Hargrave’s comments are so vile it poisons the whole process. You cannot even email the author from this site.

In the meantime I’m spending a lot more time over at Red State.

doufree on August 16, 2014 at 8:03 AM

VorDaj is spot on. There’s nothing “radicalized” about this guy. He’s simply following the teachings of Islam.

If Britain were smart they’d give these guys a ride to the airport and then motivate the rest of their Muslim population to emigrate, too.

CVMA-Dredd on August 16, 2014 at 8:17 AM

I see we have a troll, who wants casual readers of HotAir put the Tea Party/Repbublicans/Conservatives in the “low I.Q. racists mold”.

Dude, way too over the top. Try again before you are banned.

HonestLib on August 16, 2014 at 8:38 AM

Why not let these savages renounce their British citizenship and go fight for the Islamic State? Britain is better off without them, and we can hope that they meet their 72 virgins soon.

thuja on August 16, 2014 at 9:00 AM

Cold Warrior on August 15, 2014 at 10:01 PM

Is your premise that all followers of Islam are for jihad as practiced by Islamic fundamentalism. I guess the better way to ask is that, do you think all followers of Islam practice Islamic fundamentalism in one form or another.

Reason I ask is that way back many moons ago when I first heard the word jihad it had a broader meaning, unlike today. Don’t get me wrong, I am not taking up for any religion, but I just wonder if a broad brush is the way to go.

Here is what jihad means to most Muslims I know and I know quite a few. Hey, just trying to have an interesting conservation and ain’t looking for a shouting match; as which happens now all too frequently when one steps out of the box.

“Contrary to the common belief that is embodied in the misinterpretation of “jihad” as “holy war,” Islamic jihad does not refer solely to fighting in the way of Allah. This, in fact, is a special case of jihad. The Qur’anic concept of jihad refers to exerting efforts, in the form of struggle against or resistance to something, for the sake of Allah. This effort can be fighting back armed aggression, but can also be resisting evil drives and desires in one’s self. Even donating money to the needy is a form of jihad, as it involves struggling against one’s selfishness and inner desire to keep one’s money for one’s own pleasures. Jihad can, therefore, be subdivided into armed jihad and peaceful jihad. Armed jihad is only temporary and is a response to armed aggression. Once the aggression has ceased, armed jihad comes to an end. Armed jihad, thus, can take place only when there is an aggressive, external enemy.

Causes of peaceful jihad, on the other hand, are always existent, which is why this form of jihad is permanent. One major form of peaceful jihad is the war of the Muslim against his “nafs,” an Arabic term that may be translated as the “lower self,” and which refers to the individual’s inferior drives and evil motives. This most dangerous enemy never disappears, hence this war knows no end.

The other form of peaceful jihad involves every act of peaceful struggle undertaken by the Muslim against external sources of evil. Preaching the message of Islam in a hostile environment, opposing an evil act, and all such peaceful good actions are instances of jihad because they involve some form of resistance and struggle to achieve a good goal. For instance, the Prophet’s patience at the accusations and abuse that the disbelievers directed at him for preaching the Qur’an was peaceful jihad:

Therefore [O Muhammad!] be patient with what they say, and glorify your Lord by praising Him before the rising of the sun and before its setting, and during hours of the night do also glorify [Him], and during parts of the day, that you may be well satisfied (20.130).

It is interesting to note how the terms “jihad” and “Islam” relate to each other in Arabic and in the Qur’anic sense. Linguistically, the general term “jihad,” which refers to “struggle” and “resistance,” has almost exactly the opposite meaning of the general term “Islam,” which means “surrender” or “submission.” The Qur’anic “jihad,” however, which is about resisting the lower self and other sources and forms of evil, is the route that the individual must take to attain the state of Qur’anic “Islam” or “submission to Allah.”

Although Islamic jihad is a Qur’anic concept, the Qur’an, in reality, is rarely consulted for understanding this concept. The widespread misunderstanding of jihad can only be attributed to an endemic neglect of the Qur’an, not only by non-Muslims, but by Muslims as well. The Qur’an has charged Muslims with the responsibility of educating others about its message and disseminating its teachings. Unfortunately, Muslims have had a big share in propagating the common misunderstanding that jihad is all about violence. Many Muslims think that “jihad” means “holy war.” It is a sad but undeniable fact that many Muslims learn about Islamic practices and concepts, such as jihad, from secondary, often unreliable, sources. It is not uncommon even for cultural beliefs and narratives to be among those sources.

Those who misunderstand the Qur’anic term jihad as armed jihad only have totally failed to notice, among other things, this particularly important fact: in the majority of verses in which the Qur’an talks about fighting the enemy, it uses variations of the word “qital,” which means “fighting.”

HonestLib on August 16, 2014 at 9:00 AM

The Muslim mind is a classic study in cognitive dissonance.

RebeccaH on August 16, 2014 at 9:11 AM

The Muslim mind is a classic study in cognitive dissonance.

RebeccaH on August 16, 2014 at 9:11 AM

Evil is smart. Evil does not pull up in a dented up dirty van and yell “hey snot nose kid, hop in my van because I am going to do all kind of terrible tings to you for days then cut you up while you are still alive and bury you to die a slow death”.

No, Evil rides up in a nice ice cream truck clutching s cute little puppy and nicely asks “hey little girl do you know who owns this puppy that I rescued right around the corner. Hop in and have a free ice-cream and lets take this cute puppy to your parents”.

My point is that Evil, if it has the time, wraps itself in “good” and hides the Evil until the true being can come out of the shadows.

Since the bite of the apple Evil has been at play. Finally, Evil needs folks to look at the host as Evil, and not the parasite.

What do I know….just a dumb old RedNeck with a ‘puter, internet connection and a brand new spanking GED.

HonestLib on August 16, 2014 at 9:37 AM

Thomas Jefferson was a ‘terrorist’ according to Team Obama.

Crazy Muslims? Not so much. Why is that? Hmmm….

Tard on August 16, 2014 at 1:24 PM

Dan_Yul on August 16, 2014 at 1:44 AM

Indeed. A few bits of paperwork to renounce your British citizenship, then off you go. Meanwhile, a quick phone call to the nearest drone control centre as a special leaving present for when they get to Syria or Iraq.

Teleros on August 16, 2014 at 1:43 PM

Wouldn’t the logical thing to do be to flag names of anyone traveling there and detain and deport immediately upon their return? Get passenger lists of all incoming flights.
Some have legitimate reasons for travel. Isolating them and vetting them for return might be a pain in the rear but is a smaller pain than another 911 type event.
Young men with no apparent roots to the community other than an apartment need to be #1 of the list.
They can’t hurt you if they can’t come back!

HIltonHeadGuy on August 17, 2014 at 3:16 PM

we have the same issues here in Australia. A recent show on one of our public (npr like) news channels was very similar in showing the mindset of some of these people

wakey74 on August 18, 2014 at 12:15 AM