Quotes of the day

posted at 10:41 pm on August 14, 2014 by Allahpundit

Attorney General Eric Holder released the following statement Thursday following his meeting earlier today with President Obama to discuss the latest developments in Ferguson, Missouri:…

“For one thing, while the vast majority of protests have been peaceful, acts of violence by members of the public cannot be condoned. Looting and willful efforts to antagonize law enforcement officers who are genuinely trying to protect the public do nothing to remember the young man who has died. Such conduct is unacceptable and must be unequivocally condemned.

“By the same token, the law enforcement response to these demonstrations must seek to reduce tensions, not heighten them. Those who peacefully gather to express sympathy for the family of Michael Brown must have their rights respected at all times. And journalists must not be harassed or prevented from covering a story that needs to be told.

“At a time when we must seek to rebuild trust between law enforcement and the local community, I am deeply concerned that the deployment of military equipment and vehicles sends a conflicting message.”

***

Another officer asked us to wait and called a supervisor. After a few minutes, he came back and told us this was a “hot zone” and that he couldn’t guarantee our safety. We thanked him and said that we didn’t expect him to, and yet we still wanted to reach the protest site. He said we couldn’t walk down the street and that we would have to get there some other way.

“What would happen if we walked down the street?” Flores asked.

“You’re not going to walk down the street. If you insist on going down here, and you want to disobey the orders of the police that have been given to you, thoroughly and fairly, you’ll most likely be placed under arrest.”

“On what charges?” I ask.

“Disobeying the directions of a police officer,” he answers…

This is what a media blackout looks like.

***

Michelle McCaskill, media relations chief at the Defense Logistics Agency, confirms that the Ferguson Police Department is part of a federal program called 1033 that distributes hundreds of millions of dollars of surplus military equipment to civilian police forces across the United States. The materials range from small items, such as pistols and automatic rifles, to heavy armored vehicles such as the MRAPs used in Afghanistan and Iraq…

Since the creation of the 1033 program by Congress in the early 1990s, the program has distributed $4.3 billion of excess equipment, ranging from innocuous office supplies to bomb-disposing robots and other advanced technology. The flood of military supplies — along with the continuing drug war and grant programs from other federal agencies that provide military-style equipment — has pushed the culture of police forces far from its law-enforcement roots…

St. Louis County law enforcement agencies received twelve 5.56 millimeter rifles and six .45 caliber pistols from the Department of Defense between Aug. 2, 2010, and Feb. 13, 2013, a Missouri public safety official confirmed Thursday. Ferguson, Mo., is within St. Louis County. The Pentagon allows information on “tactical” equipment to be released only at a county level, so which police department(s) in the county received the weaponry is not available.

***

But part of the problem with the program, according to the ACLU, is a lack of transparency and oversight. Few restrictions are placed on what equipment law enforcement can request or how they use it. The organization concluded that the only significant restriction placed on departments is that they not sell whatever equipment they receive. In fact, departments are required to use the equipment that they receive within one year, which Dansky said could actually incentive the use of the equipment even when it’s unnecessary.

“The program contains a built-in incentive,” she said. “As these local police departments receive this equipment, there are no meaningful constraints on their ability to use it.”

“If all you have is a hammer,” she added, “everything looks like a nail.”

***

What is beyond dispute is that since Ferguson erupted in response to this tragic incident, the authorities haven’t done much to instill public confidence. Not only have they declined to release relevant details, much like the police officer in question is accused of doing, they have escalated the situation very quickly by engaging in a series of clashes with understandably upset demonstrators…

[T]his situation calls for a political force that will defend the Bill of Rights, rather than practice identity politics. That means ensuring that peaceful property owners are free of looters and law-abiding demonstrators are not crushed by SWAT teams. It also means taking an appropriately skeptical view of both police claims and Al Sharpton…

If libertarians and the best kind of conservative have any insight, it is this: government works for the people whose tax dollars sustain and support it, not the other way around. When this basic order of things gets reversed, Ferguson isn’t too far around the corner.

***

If you want an indication about where someone sits on the dividing line between conservative and libertarian, sometimes it’s as simple as how they answer this question: how do you feel about cops? Do you naturally tend to trust them, viewing them as a necessary and needed hedge acting in defense of law and order? Or are you naturally suspicious of them, believing them to be little more than armed tax collectors and bureaucrats with a tendency to violence and falsehood in service of their whims? Are cops the brave individuals who stand between the law-abiding and those who would rob, rape, and kill, or are they the low-level tyrannical overpaid functionaries of the administrative state, more focused on tax collection in the form of citations, property grabs, and killing the occasional family dog?…

The population of Ferguson has reacted with obvious frustration, followed by an overreaction of rioting and looting. The cops have responded by what seems from all appearances to be a massive crackdown on protesters and criminals alike, an escalation of arrests that includes tear gassing people for doing little more than yelling epithets from their own back yards. And so those people stopped throwing bad words and started throwing bricks and molotov cocktails…

“Justice is the end of government,” James Madison wrote in Federalist 51. “It is the end of civil society. It ever has been and ever will be pursued until it be obtained, or until liberty be lost in the pursuit.” It can be lost because of the mob, or it can be lost because of the response to the mob – and conservatives who believe in law and order should understand that. Responsible governance in this situation would involve de-escalation and conciliation, not militarization.

***

I guess the question is, after again remembering that we should never condone the looting or destruction of property of innocent bystanders: Are we really okay with asking people to just accept that cops can gun down a teenager and whitewash the whole incident and take that laying down or just “oh well, that’s life sometimes”? Because I’m not. I think if the cops don’t believe that there’s some line that will cause the public to rise up in arms against them we are in deep trouble…

I guess in the final analysis I’m fine with the criticisms of the very obvious excesses of the Ferguson riots but I’m not as willing as many are to categorically condemn the impulse. In fact, I’m glad that the impulse still exists within America to say that there’s a point beyond which they won’t be pushed by the authorities even if they do look more like a Marine division than a police force these days. And I understand the anger and frustration and with police brutality that led to this particular situation, even though, again, we can’t say definitively what happened in the Michael Brown situation.

When America dumped a bunch of the Crown’s tea into Boston Harbor the British called us rioters, looters, and worse. What’s happening in Ferguson is maybe not that, but our country was founded on the impulse of being willing to take only so much crap from a disconnected and unresponsive government, and I hope that impulse isn’t gone forever.

***

While there is no simple fix to race relations in any part of American life, there is an obvious way to reduce violent law enforcement confrontations while also building trust in cops: Police should be required to use wearable cameras and record their interactions with citizens. These cameras—various models are already on the market—are small and unobtrusive and include safeguards against subsequent manipulation of any recordings…

According to a year-long study of the Rialto, Calif., police department, the use of “officer worn cameras reduced the rate of use-of-force incidents by 59 percent” and “utilization of the cameras led to an 87.5 percent reduction in complaints” by citizens against cops.

Such results are the reason that the ACLU is in favor of “police body-mounted cameras,” as long as various privacy protections and other concerns are addressed. And it also explains growing support for the policy among elected officials. In the wake of Eric Garner’s chokehold death in July, New York City’s public advocate is pushing a $5 million pilot program in the city’s “most crime-plagued neighborhoods” as a means of restoring trust in the police.

***

There’s something else, harder to discuss but, like so many such things, urgent nonetheless. Deep breath: The black community cannot pretend that the stereotype of black men as violent comes out of nowhere.

Young black men commit about 50 percent of the murders in this country, 14 times more than young white men. Or, where do murder rates among young white men go up each summer the way they do among black ones in cities like Chicago? “Flash robs” happen when large groups of teens beset a store and steal from it, and I’m sorry, but these are rarely white affairs.

There are reasons for things like these. However, we are being unrealistic to expect America to watch these things and think it’s okay because the boys don’t have Dads and decent-paying low-skill jobs aren’t always easy to find. Let’s face it: If Korean boys regularly did things like this, we’d all be scared to death of them…

I wonder if the black community could step it up some on this. We need to devote some more energy to figuring out what we can do about The Violence, because among all else that it destroys, it feeds a perception bias that ends up killing innocents like Michael Brown.


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Ratso!

OmahaConservative on August 14, 2014 at 10:42 PM

Ratso!

Doc Holliday on August 14, 2014 at 10:42 PM

Dang it!

Doc Holliday on August 14, 2014 at 10:43 PM

Calling all Wenches, Rude Buffoons, loons and trolls…

OmahaConservative on August 14, 2014 at 10:43 PM

Pickle Soup…

oscarwilde on August 14, 2014 at 10:43 PM

Damn that OC… Damn him all to heck….

oscarwilde on August 14, 2014 at 10:43 PM

blah blah blah! It’s QOTD time!

coolrepublica on August 14, 2014 at 10:44 PM

WA-WA-WA-WHAT??

Tard on August 14, 2014 at 10:44 PM

Evening, Oscar, Doc and Omaha.

crankyoldlady on August 14, 2014 at 10:45 PM

The Great Unifiers aren’t helping.

TimBuk3 on August 14, 2014 at 10:45 PM

“acts of violence by members of the public cannot be condoned.” — the criminal Eric Holder

Gee … that’s just great. You can’t condone mindless rioting. Wow …

Holder ought to be sharing a jail cell with these rioting lunatics. And Barky should be in an orange jumpsuit down the corridor.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on August 14, 2014 at 10:45 PM

Ratso!

OmahaConservative on August 14, 2014 at 10:42 PM

Doc Holliday on August 14, 2014 at 10:42 PM

Ferguson!

cozmo on August 14, 2014 at 10:45 PM

Sounds like we have a racist QOTD tonight.

RickB on August 14, 2014 at 10:45 PM

COL….:)

Doc Holliday on August 14, 2014 at 10:46 PM

Those looters are going to do to Ferguson exactly what happened in LA after the Rodney King riots, run away the businesses leaving the residents no place to shop…

Hey COL…

OmahaConservative on August 14, 2014 at 10:46 PM

Michelle McCaskill, media relations chief at the Defense Logistics Agency

No relation, right?

/

Mark Boabaca on August 14, 2014 at 10:46 PM

Clear and cold tonight. Isn’t there a meteor shower?

crankyoldlady on August 14, 2014 at 10:46 PM

Obama cut a jig
While his people rioted against the pigs

SouthernGent on August 14, 2014 at 10:47 PM

Reporting for duty, OC

captnjoe on August 14, 2014 at 10:48 PM

Isn’t there a meteor shower?

crankyoldlady on August 14, 2014 at 10:46 PM

Missed it by that much.

cozmo on August 14, 2014 at 10:48 PM

Reporting for duty, OC

captnjoe on August 14, 2014 at 10:48 PM

Good to see you catnip…

OmahaConservative on August 14, 2014 at 10:49 PM

Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious

cat_owner on August 14, 2014 at 10:49 PM

Hey y’all, been a while, good to see ya!

captnjoe on August 14, 2014 at 10:50 PM

http://www.breakingnews.com/

Michael Brown fatally shot in Ferguson, Mo.
12m

Editor’s note:

@*NN, citing unnamed an unnamed source, is reporting that Ferguson, Mo., police will release on Friday the name of the officer who shot Michael Brown. – Jimmy
Read more on www.*nn.com

canopfor on August 14, 2014 at 10:50 PM

Jim56: “The cop and his wife should be shot!”

Verba: “What happened is awful but the Tea Party is to blame.”

Libfree: “If corporatists hadn’t conspired with white southerners back in 1856 to burn down black churches, Reagan would never have been elected.”

Everdiso: “My pants are tight!”

Joana/Meredith: “All you raggedy azzholes do is insult other people because you’re stupid and ugly and are morans! I’m smart! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!”

Bishop on August 14, 2014 at 10:50 PM

Hey y’all, been a while, good to see ya!

captnjoe on August 14, 2014 at 10:50 PM

Yo ho ho.

crankyoldlady on August 14, 2014 at 10:50 PM

An elderly black neighbor lady told me today that the Ferguson police need to shoot first at the looters and ask questions later…

OmahaConservative on August 14, 2014 at 10:51 PM

I see Ratso was onto this thread like a duck onto a June bug.

viking01 on August 14, 2014 at 10:52 PM

I support armed militias in every neighborhood.

I don’t trust the government

weedisgood on August 14, 2014 at 10:52 PM

[sets out "We Reserve The Right To Serve Whomever We Dang Well Please, DAMMIT!!" signage...activates wireless drink stations and drone delivery service...usual caveats apply...sends out first round of Whatchudrinkin's in Brand-Spankin'-New Double Whatchudrinkin' glasses...enters under "Friday Eve Shenanigans"...]

Newtie and the Beauty on August 14, 2014 at 10:53 PM

An elderly black neighbor lady told me today that the Ferguson police need to shoot first at the looters and ask questions later…

OmahaConservative on August 14, 2014 at 10:51 PM

Well, that is the “Traditional” method of dealing with looter’s and rioters… Not saying that I approve, mind you, or that I do not approve, just pointing out it is the traditional method of dealing with them.

oscarwilde on August 14, 2014 at 10:53 PM

I see Ratso was onto this thread like a duck onto a June bug.

viking01 on August 14, 2014 at 10:52 PM

Poor Ratso is licking what used to be his nutz right now…

OmahaConservative on August 14, 2014 at 10:53 PM

I don’t trust the government

weedisgood on August 14, 2014 at 10:52 PM

Oh crap! I agree with the dopey dope head.

cozmo on August 14, 2014 at 10:54 PM

“Such conduct is unacceptable and must be unequivocally condemned.”

Right, because simply condemning violence and mass looting will decrease it.

/s

Aizen on August 14, 2014 at 10:54 PM

oscarwilde on August 14, 2014 at 10:53 PM

I tend to agree with her…

OmahaConservative on August 14, 2014 at 10:54 PM

weedisgood on August 14, 2014 at 10:52 PM

coolrepublica on August 14, 2014 at 10:44 PM

FLAGGED!

Feckin’ seagulls… >:-(

Newtie and the Beauty on August 14, 2014 at 10:55 PM

weedisgood on August 14, 2014 at 10:52 PM

Oh crap! I agree with the dopey dope head.

cozmo on August 14, 2014 at 10:54 PM

Leaves you felling a little sick inside doesn’t it…

oscarwilde on August 14, 2014 at 10:55 PM

I support armed militias in every neighborhood.

I don’t trust the government

weedisgood on August 14, 2014 at 10:52 PM

No you don’t.

Bishop on August 14, 2014 at 10:55 PM

Buffoon tonight. Definitely a buffoon.

gh on August 14, 2014 at 10:55 PM

OmahaConservative on August 14, 2014 at 10:53 PM

Poor Ratso. Some things just weren’t meant to be.

viking01 on August 14, 2014 at 10:55 PM

Old Hotness: We are the 99%.
New Hotness: Hands Up. Don’t Shoot.

Coming to a city near you, just in time for election squirrel season.

HumpBot Salvation on August 14, 2014 at 10:56 PM

Feckin’ seagulls… >:-(

Newtie and the Beauty on August 14, 2014 at 10:55 PM

Yup. Shittin’ all over the place…

OmahaConservative on August 14, 2014 at 10:56 PM

Leaves you felling a little sick inside doesn’t it…

oscarwilde on August 14, 2014 at 10:55 PM

The word that comes to mind is “icky.”

viking01 on August 14, 2014 at 10:56 PM

oscarwilde on August 14, 2014 at 10:53 PM

I tend to agree with her…

OmahaConservative on August 14, 2014 at 10:54 PM

Unfortunately, it also never ends up leading anywhere good.

oscarwilde on August 14, 2014 at 10:57 PM

too bad you didn’t paste the part relevant to Ferguson:

There is no evidence that any such equipment has yet been used in the Brown case and its aftermath. But such “police militarization” is just one element of an often toxic relationship between minority communities and local police.

the only scary thing in Ferguson has been a conventional SWAT van. BTW, this is St. Louis County/Region. St Louis City, St. Charles and all surrounding areas cooperate.

People have this fantasy (like Instapundit) that every where we have this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kajhu7qgojU

a silly vid about an over eager GA suburban town that has tracked vehicle.

These are your fantasies…not reality. The cops have Not fired their weapons at protesters. OK?

I guess I’m not so much of a libertarian as I thought…reality is reality…we have to protect lots of folks and property. We have to protect the police from violent criminals.

r keller on August 14, 2014 at 10:57 PM

Joana/Meredith: “All you raggedy azzholes do is insult other people because you’re stupid and ugly and are morans! I’m smart! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!”

Bishop on August 14, 2014 at 10:50 PM

They were all funny but the last one was a 100% direct hit.

CW on August 14, 2014 at 10:58 PM

We noticed a strange absence today of our usual infestation of trolls in the John McWhorter thread: The True Stereotypes Behind Michael Brown’s Death

Odd isn’t it?

Young black men commit about 50 percent of the murders in this country, 14 times more than young white men. Or, where do murder rates among young white men go up each summer the way they do among black ones in cities like Chicago? “Flash robs” happen when large groups of teens beset a store and steal from it, and I’m sorry, but these are rarely white affairs.

slickwillie2001 on August 14, 2014 at 10:58 PM

I support armed militias in every neighborhood.

I don’t trust the government

weedisgood on August 14, 2014 at 10:52 PM

I’d suggest Iraq, but the hash laws are pretty rigid.

HumpBot Salvation on August 14, 2014 at 10:58 PM

Leaves you felling a little sick inside doesn’t it…

oscarwilde on August 14, 2014 at 10:55 PM

The word that comes to mind is “icky.”

viking01 on August 14, 2014 at 10:56 PM

When those who cannot be trusted to make a good decision to save their lives, start making good decisions, the rest of us should realize that the end is very close…

oscarwilde on August 14, 2014 at 10:59 PM

Hi ya COL, how’s things up the road?

OC, I miss that dude that gave me my nic, anybody seen him lately?

captnjoe on August 14, 2014 at 11:00 PM

Newtie and the Beauty on August 14, 2014 at 10:53 PM

Bought this for the first time this week. It’s pretty good.

Don’t do virtual beer.

Argh… preview shows their site doesn’t do links properly. Go to: “our beers”, then “bottles”; then tankhouse. Very nice.

gh on August 14, 2014 at 11:00 PM

I don’t trust the government

weedisgood on August 14, 2014 at 10:52 PM

.
Oh crap! I agree with the dopey dope head.

cozmo on August 14, 2014 at 10:54 PM

.
Great . . . . now I’ve got to rethink my whole perspective.

listens2glenn on August 14, 2014 at 11:00 PM

[sends out Febreeze "Teen Spirit" scented spray via drone delivery service...y'all know what to do...enters under "Good Housekeeping"...]

Newtie and the Beauty on August 14, 2014 at 11:00 PM

So does the officer have the presumption of innocence?

Rhetorical question. We all know he doesn’t.

CW on August 14, 2014 at 11:01 PM

captnjoe on August 14, 2014 at 11:00 PM

Hasn’t been around much lately…

OmahaConservative on August 14, 2014 at 11:01 PM

r keller on August 14, 2014 at 10:57 PM

They should all get an M2 Abrams because you just never know.

Bishop on August 14, 2014 at 11:01 PM

An elderly black neighbor lady told me today that the Ferguson police need to shoot first at the looters and ask questions later…

OmahaConservative on August 14, 2014 at 10:51 PM

yeah, i’ve read that the local residents in Ferguson are none too happy about the outsiders.

that is what really pi**es me off…everyone is furthering their own pet agenda, and making themselves the story. Meanwhile, the people of Ferguson are not on the street at night…they shop during the say, and shelter in place at night.

r keller on August 14, 2014 at 11:02 PM

I’d suggest Iraq, but the hash laws are pretty rigid.

HumpBot Salvation on August 14, 2014 at 10:58 PM

We saw what happened when the militarized cops showed up at the Bundy ranch.
That’s the only solution to this for of government overreach

Agree with me and maybe we can have a joint together some time.

weedisgood on August 14, 2014 at 11:04 PM

Leaves you felling a little sick inside doesn’t it…

oscarwilde on August 14, 2014 at 10:55 PM

Well, even the idiots are right once in a while.

too bad you didn’t paste the part relevant to Ferguson:

r keller on August 14, 2014 at 10:57 PM

If you insist.

cozmo on August 14, 2014 at 11:05 PM

maybe we can have a joint together some time.

weedisgood on August 14, 2014 at 11:04 PM

You need a life and I bet your house stinks.

CW on August 14, 2014 at 11:05 PM

Evening All

CoffeeLover on August 14, 2014 at 11:06 PM

I wonder what parties Barry and Michelle are attending tonight.

cat_owner on August 14, 2014 at 11:06 PM

Hi CL.

crankyoldlady on August 14, 2014 at 11:07 PM

Leaves you felling a little sick inside doesn’t it…
oscarwilde on August 14, 2014 at 10:55 PM

The word that comes to mind is “icky.”
viking01 on August 14, 2014 at 10:56 PM

I have a shower in the back room…plenty of soaps and big fwuffy towels available…

Anything to get rid of the icky feeling…

Newtie and the Beauty on August 14, 2014 at 11:07 PM

I’ve got a feeling “Eric Holder has released a statement…” will become a running joke around here.
IF WE ARE SMART.

Tard on August 14, 2014 at 11:07 PM

I wonder what parties Barry and Michelle are attending tonight.

cat_owner on August 14, 2014 at 11:06 PM

.
Cynic !

listens2glenn on August 14, 2014 at 11:08 PM

I have a shower in the back room…
Newtie and the Beauty on August 14, 2014 at 11:07 PM

Coed?

cozmo on August 14, 2014 at 11:08 PM

Hey there Beauty! *smooch!*

captnjoe on August 14, 2014 at 11:08 PM

crankyoldlady on August 14, 2014 at 11:07 PM

(waving)Just read they found the 2 missing Amish girls in Upstate NY. So glad to read something good for a change.

CoffeeLover on August 14, 2014 at 11:08 PM

r keller on August 14, 2014 at 11:02 PM

I really feel for the regular law abiding folks there…

OmahaConservative on August 14, 2014 at 11:09 PM

(waving)Just read they found the 2 missing Amish girls in Upstate NY. So glad to read something good for a change.

CoffeeLover on August 14, 2014 at 11:08 PM

I didn’t know they were missing. Did they run away?

crankyoldlady on August 14, 2014 at 11:09 PM

Agree with me and maybe we can have a joint together some time.
weedisgood on August 14, 2014 at 11:04 PM

I’m sorry, but solicitation for prostitution is not allowed on premises. Either clean up your act or take it to another establishment.

Newtie and the Beauty on August 14, 2014 at 11:09 PM

So does the officer have the presumption of innocence?

CW on August 14, 2014 at 11:01 PM

Of course not. That would be prejudice !!

Oh wait….

viking01 on August 14, 2014 at 11:10 PM

Leaves you felling a little sick inside doesn’t it…

oscarwilde on August 14, 2014 at 10:55 PM
.

The word that comes to mind is “icky.”

viking01 on August 14, 2014 at 10:56 PM

.
I have a shower in the back room…plenty of soaps and big fwuffy towels available…

Anything to get rid of the icky feeling…

Newtie and the Beauty on August 14, 2014 at 11:07 PM

.
That reminds me . . . . . how many of you have ever had your hands inside the warm body-cavity of a freshly killed deer?

listens2glenn on August 14, 2014 at 11:11 PM

Evening All
CoffeeLover on August 14, 2014 at 11:06 PM

Good to see you, CL!

[sends out a round of Whatchudrinkin's and a Whatheshavin' for Alien's Little Friend...usual caveats apply...enters under "Friday Eve Follies"...]

Newtie and the Beauty on August 14, 2014 at 11:11 PM

RIP T’Pring

For you “deaths come in threes” believers, I guess she’s the third. Or maybe not famous enough?

My dead pool money is on Ted Turner.

Brat on August 14, 2014 at 11:12 PM

listens2glenn on August 14, 2014 at 11:08 PM

Hey well the semi retired President has to have some fun once in awhile.

cat_owner on August 14, 2014 at 11:12 PM

Hundreds of young black men shot dead by other young black men every year (and that’s just in Chicago).

Barack Obama and Eric Holder: “Yawn”.

One young black man shot dead by a white cop.

Barack Obama and Eric Holder: “OMG!, OMG!!, OMG!!!”.

VorDaj on August 14, 2014 at 11:13 PM

They should all get an M2 Abrams because you just never know.

Bishop on August 14, 2014 at 11:01 PM

I think the Doraville GA people have their hands full with that little thing they have.

r keller on August 14, 2014 at 11:13 PM

My dead pool money is on Ted Turner.

Brat on August 14, 2014 at 11:12 PM

He isn’t that old is he? I’d say Doris Day.

crankyoldlady on August 14, 2014 at 11:13 PM

Newtie and the Beauty on August 14, 2014 at 11:07 PM

Got a rubber ducky?

Hi Newtie. My smooch receptors are Tingley

SpongePuppy on August 14, 2014 at 11:14 PM

Coed?
cozmo on August 14, 2014 at 11:08 PM

Yes, Cozmo, kilts are allowed… :P

Newtie and the Beauty on August 14, 2014 at 11:14 PM

That reminds me . . . . . how many of you have ever had your hands inside the warm body-cavity of a freshly killed deer?

listens2glenn on August 14, 2014 at 11:11 PM

Pervert !!!

Oh, you mean when gutting one… never mind.

(ducks and runs)

viking01 on August 14, 2014 at 11:14 PM

Anything to get rid of the icky feeling…

Newtie and the Beauty on August 14, 2014 at 11:07 PM

Come as you are ?

gh on August 14, 2014 at 11:15 PM

CL is here. Time to put a pot of coffee on and have some cakes.

SpongePuppy on August 14, 2014 at 11:16 PM

listens2glenn on August 14, 2014 at 11:11 PM

Not dear, just the occasional fowl, pig and once a taun-taun.

cozmo on August 14, 2014 at 11:17 PM

Hey there Beauty! *smooch!*
captnjoe on August 14, 2014 at 11:08 PM

Hey, Capt!

*smoooooch!*

Newtie and the Beauty on August 14, 2014 at 11:17 PM

Newtie and the Beauty on August 14, 2014 at 11:07 PM

Got a rubber ducky?

Hi Newtie. My smooch receptors are Tingley

SpongePuppy on August 14, 2014 at 11:14 PM

Run Newtie, run, his smooch receptors are bad…

oscarwilde on August 14, 2014 at 11:17 PM

Got a rubber ducky?
Hi Newtie. My smooch receptors are Tingley
SpongePuppy on August 14, 2014 at 11:14 PM

Sparkie had his own set up in his storage room, SP…you should SEE the rubber ducky collection! o_O

Newtie and the Beauty on August 14, 2014 at 11:18 PM

crankyoldlady on August 14, 2014 at 11:09 PM

All the details aren’t out that I’ve seen at least. Apparently they were selling something at the road’s edge in front of their house. Some car picked them up and they were dropped off 10-15 miles from their home.

I didn’t know but Amish people don’t take pictures so police had to make an artist’s sketch.

So I read they were dropped off, they knocked on a house’s door and the person who answered had heard of 2 missing girls on news. Police came and reunited girls with family.

CoffeeLover on August 14, 2014 at 11:18 PM

Anything to get rid of the icky feeling…

Newtie and the Beauty on August 14, 2014 at 11:07 PM

Ride through a car wash in the back of a pickup should do it.

partsnlabor on August 14, 2014 at 11:18 PM

Hundreds of young black men shot dead by other young black men every year (and that’s just in Chicago).

Barack Obama and Eric Holder: “Yawn”.
.
One young black man shot dead by a white cop.

Barack Obama and Eric Holder: “OMG!, OMG!!, OMG!!!”.

VorDaj on August 14, 2014 at 11:13 PM

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It’s okay for “black on black” gang related shootings to occur.

But if a “cracker” law-enforcement professional kills a “black anybody”, then it’s RACISM !

That’s pretty much been the narrative for most of thirty some odd years, now.

listens2glenn on August 14, 2014 at 11:19 PM

cozmo on August 14, 2014 at 11:08 PM

Bring your own Loofah sponge. Not bill O’Reilly’s

SpongePuppy on August 14, 2014 at 11:19 PM

crankyoldlady on August 14, 2014 at 11:13 PM

Mid 70s but age doesn’t matter. I just have a feeling about him.

Anyway, yes Doris Day is up there, right along with Kirk Douglas. I think he is 97.

Brat on August 14, 2014 at 11:19 PM

Ring of Fire

Schadenfreude on August 14, 2014 at 11:19 PM

I have no clue why this is a national story other than it allows the media to perpetuate the narrative that “cops” (aka “the man” aka “republicans” even if they’re not) are victimizing black people (aka democrat voters.)

7K young black males were murdered two years ago, 94 percent of them were killed by other young black males. That’s the problem.

AYNBLAND on August 14, 2014 at 11:19 PM

So I read they were dropped off, they knocked on a house’s door and the person who answered had heard of 2 missing girls on news. Police came and reunited girls with family.

CoffeeLover on August 14, 2014 at 11:18 PM

I wonder what that was about. They’re lucky they aren’t dead.

crankyoldlady on August 14, 2014 at 11:19 PM

Newtie and the Beauty on August 14, 2014 at 11:18 PM

Whatever happened to that guy? He was kind of weird.

He ans SWalker would have gotten along great.

cozmo on August 14, 2014 at 11:19 PM

He can sink a nation and scapegoat a great deal
But taking any responsibly to him just does not appeal
He has less class than a crap filled gunnysack
When he cries for anyone but himself the tears run down his back
He will never be an enlightened and honorable man
‘Cause he gets his philosophy from a old Fascist and Marxist garbage can
He has so many pathologies it would make Freud’s knees knock
And his wife’s hate filled looks could stop a cuckoo clock
If he would just take responsibility for something sometime somewhere
His MSM frogs would probably give him the Croix-de-Guerre
His cronies and sheeple zombies get the pie and cake
And all the rest of America and it’s Constitution get is another bellyache
You might forget his lawlessness, smears and class and race warfare yell
But you’ll never forget the deranged President from Hell!

VorDaj on August 14, 2014 at 11:19 PM

CL is here. Time to put a pot of coffee on and have some cakes.

SpongePuppy on August 14, 2014 at 11:16 PM

Hey (waving at ya :) )

oscarwilde on August 14, 2014 at 11:17 PM

(waving) now that made me spittle my coffee LOL

CoffeeLover on August 14, 2014 at 11:20 PM

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