Quotes of the day

posted at 10:41 pm on August 14, 2014 by Allahpundit

Attorney General Eric Holder released the following statement Thursday following his meeting earlier today with President Obama to discuss the latest developments in Ferguson, Missouri:…

“For one thing, while the vast majority of protests have been peaceful, acts of violence by members of the public cannot be condoned. Looting and willful efforts to antagonize law enforcement officers who are genuinely trying to protect the public do nothing to remember the young man who has died. Such conduct is unacceptable and must be unequivocally condemned.

“By the same token, the law enforcement response to these demonstrations must seek to reduce tensions, not heighten them. Those who peacefully gather to express sympathy for the family of Michael Brown must have their rights respected at all times. And journalists must not be harassed or prevented from covering a story that needs to be told.

“At a time when we must seek to rebuild trust between law enforcement and the local community, I am deeply concerned that the deployment of military equipment and vehicles sends a conflicting message.”

***

Another officer asked us to wait and called a supervisor. After a few minutes, he came back and told us this was a “hot zone” and that he couldn’t guarantee our safety. We thanked him and said that we didn’t expect him to, and yet we still wanted to reach the protest site. He said we couldn’t walk down the street and that we would have to get there some other way.

“What would happen if we walked down the street?” Flores asked.

“You’re not going to walk down the street. If you insist on going down here, and you want to disobey the orders of the police that have been given to you, thoroughly and fairly, you’ll most likely be placed under arrest.”

“On what charges?” I ask.

“Disobeying the directions of a police officer,” he answers…

This is what a media blackout looks like.

***

Michelle McCaskill, media relations chief at the Defense Logistics Agency, confirms that the Ferguson Police Department is part of a federal program called 1033 that distributes hundreds of millions of dollars of surplus military equipment to civilian police forces across the United States. The materials range from small items, such as pistols and automatic rifles, to heavy armored vehicles such as the MRAPs used in Afghanistan and Iraq…

Since the creation of the 1033 program by Congress in the early 1990s, the program has distributed $4.3 billion of excess equipment, ranging from innocuous office supplies to bomb-disposing robots and other advanced technology. The flood of military supplies — along with the continuing drug war and grant programs from other federal agencies that provide military-style equipment — has pushed the culture of police forces far from its law-enforcement roots…

St. Louis County law enforcement agencies received twelve 5.56 millimeter rifles and six .45 caliber pistols from the Department of Defense between Aug. 2, 2010, and Feb. 13, 2013, a Missouri public safety official confirmed Thursday. Ferguson, Mo., is within St. Louis County. The Pentagon allows information on “tactical” equipment to be released only at a county level, so which police department(s) in the county received the weaponry is not available.

***

But part of the problem with the program, according to the ACLU, is a lack of transparency and oversight. Few restrictions are placed on what equipment law enforcement can request or how they use it. The organization concluded that the only significant restriction placed on departments is that they not sell whatever equipment they receive. In fact, departments are required to use the equipment that they receive within one year, which Dansky said could actually incentive the use of the equipment even when it’s unnecessary.

“The program contains a built-in incentive,” she said. “As these local police departments receive this equipment, there are no meaningful constraints on their ability to use it.”

“If all you have is a hammer,” she added, “everything looks like a nail.”

***

What is beyond dispute is that since Ferguson erupted in response to this tragic incident, the authorities haven’t done much to instill public confidence. Not only have they declined to release relevant details, much like the police officer in question is accused of doing, they have escalated the situation very quickly by engaging in a series of clashes with understandably upset demonstrators…

[T]his situation calls for a political force that will defend the Bill of Rights, rather than practice identity politics. That means ensuring that peaceful property owners are free of looters and law-abiding demonstrators are not crushed by SWAT teams. It also means taking an appropriately skeptical view of both police claims and Al Sharpton…

If libertarians and the best kind of conservative have any insight, it is this: government works for the people whose tax dollars sustain and support it, not the other way around. When this basic order of things gets reversed, Ferguson isn’t too far around the corner.

***

If you want an indication about where someone sits on the dividing line between conservative and libertarian, sometimes it’s as simple as how they answer this question: how do you feel about cops? Do you naturally tend to trust them, viewing them as a necessary and needed hedge acting in defense of law and order? Or are you naturally suspicious of them, believing them to be little more than armed tax collectors and bureaucrats with a tendency to violence and falsehood in service of their whims? Are cops the brave individuals who stand between the law-abiding and those who would rob, rape, and kill, or are they the low-level tyrannical overpaid functionaries of the administrative state, more focused on tax collection in the form of citations, property grabs, and killing the occasional family dog?…

The population of Ferguson has reacted with obvious frustration, followed by an overreaction of rioting and looting. The cops have responded by what seems from all appearances to be a massive crackdown on protesters and criminals alike, an escalation of arrests that includes tear gassing people for doing little more than yelling epithets from their own back yards. And so those people stopped throwing bad words and started throwing bricks and molotov cocktails…

“Justice is the end of government,” James Madison wrote in Federalist 51. “It is the end of civil society. It ever has been and ever will be pursued until it be obtained, or until liberty be lost in the pursuit.” It can be lost because of the mob, or it can be lost because of the response to the mob – and conservatives who believe in law and order should understand that. Responsible governance in this situation would involve de-escalation and conciliation, not militarization.

***

I guess the question is, after again remembering that we should never condone the looting or destruction of property of innocent bystanders: Are we really okay with asking people to just accept that cops can gun down a teenager and whitewash the whole incident and take that laying down or just “oh well, that’s life sometimes”? Because I’m not. I think if the cops don’t believe that there’s some line that will cause the public to rise up in arms against them we are in deep trouble…

I guess in the final analysis I’m fine with the criticisms of the very obvious excesses of the Ferguson riots but I’m not as willing as many are to categorically condemn the impulse. In fact, I’m glad that the impulse still exists within America to say that there’s a point beyond which they won’t be pushed by the authorities even if they do look more like a Marine division than a police force these days. And I understand the anger and frustration and with police brutality that led to this particular situation, even though, again, we can’t say definitively what happened in the Michael Brown situation.

When America dumped a bunch of the Crown’s tea into Boston Harbor the British called us rioters, looters, and worse. What’s happening in Ferguson is maybe not that, but our country was founded on the impulse of being willing to take only so much crap from a disconnected and unresponsive government, and I hope that impulse isn’t gone forever.

***

While there is no simple fix to race relations in any part of American life, there is an obvious way to reduce violent law enforcement confrontations while also building trust in cops: Police should be required to use wearable cameras and record their interactions with citizens. These cameras—various models are already on the market—are small and unobtrusive and include safeguards against subsequent manipulation of any recordings…

According to a year-long study of the Rialto, Calif., police department, the use of “officer worn cameras reduced the rate of use-of-force incidents by 59 percent” and “utilization of the cameras led to an 87.5 percent reduction in complaints” by citizens against cops.

Such results are the reason that the ACLU is in favor of “police body-mounted cameras,” as long as various privacy protections and other concerns are addressed. And it also explains growing support for the policy among elected officials. In the wake of Eric Garner’s chokehold death in July, New York City’s public advocate is pushing a $5 million pilot program in the city’s “most crime-plagued neighborhoods” as a means of restoring trust in the police.

***

There’s something else, harder to discuss but, like so many such things, urgent nonetheless. Deep breath: The black community cannot pretend that the stereotype of black men as violent comes out of nowhere.

Young black men commit about 50 percent of the murders in this country, 14 times more than young white men. Or, where do murder rates among young white men go up each summer the way they do among black ones in cities like Chicago? “Flash robs” happen when large groups of teens beset a store and steal from it, and I’m sorry, but these are rarely white affairs.

There are reasons for things like these. However, we are being unrealistic to expect America to watch these things and think it’s okay because the boys don’t have Dads and decent-paying low-skill jobs aren’t always easy to find. Let’s face it: If Korean boys regularly did things like this, we’d all be scared to death of them…

I wonder if the black community could step it up some on this. We need to devote some more energy to figuring out what we can do about The Violence, because among all else that it destroys, it feeds a perception bias that ends up killing innocents like Michael Brown.


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listens2glenn on August 15, 2014 at 2:21 AM

what’s in all the pretty white trucks??

http://www.reuters.com/news/pictures/slideshow?articleId=USRTR42GEJ#a=1

going2mars on August 15, 2014 at 1:40 AM

Staples. You know, food, water, magazines, RPGs, bandages, bricks of C4, things every refugee needs for survival.

Diluculo on August 15, 2014 at 1:55 AM

The Russians know how to help out their friends. Our fabulous dickless wonders in Washington on the other hand…

Dr. ZhivBlago on August 15, 2014 at 2:21 AM

B-Schad !

listens2glenn on August 15, 2014 at 2:21 AM

Earlier today (it’s still Thursday on the left coast) Drudg had a screaming headline “Hillary’s horrible summer” along with an unflattering photo. Made me laugh.

cat_owner on August 15, 2014 at 2:22 AM

moredenfreude ?

listens2glenn on August 15, 2014 at 2:23 AM

what’s in all the pretty white trucks??

http://www.reuters.com/news/pictures/slideshow?articleId=USRTR42GEJ#a=1

going2mars on August 15, 2014 at 1:40 AM

Staples. You know, food, water, magazines, RPGs, bandages, bricks of C4, things every refugee needs for survival.

Diluculo on August 15, 2014 at 1:55 AM

SAM’s.

kcewa on August 15, 2014 at 2:23 AM

cat_owner on August 15, 2014 at 2:18 AM

I read it was a quick round trip… boomerang..
haven’t they been telling us that he didn’t need to be in the building??
to get all his pressing duties done.. the CNC was mobile…
the bear is on the loose and all that..
now something is so important he needs a rt ticket??
short food for dog Bo??
forgot his favorite WH apple to stuff in Bo’s mouth should he end up barbequed beach side??
a quick weekend tryst with RLove??

cant be for more Big Lobsters for the mooch.. she has the boys fishing the yard..
I am sure she has the SS working the lobster traps in the bay already..

going2mars on August 15, 2014 at 2:25 AM

Anyone familiar with this vid ?

I didn’t finish it, but what I saw of it was fascinating.

But that doesn’t necessarily mean you’ll find worthwhile.

Just posting it for what it’s worth.

listens2glenn on August 15, 2014 at 2:28 AM

going2mars on August 15, 2014 at 2:10 AM

My reasoning is simple..This will take another week or so (3 or 4) to get resolved..The chase will start and if you don’t make the “cut” why come back for the rest of the year??..What if Burton wins this weekend??..There could be some very tough bridges that will need to be crossed in the near future..

Dire Straits on August 15, 2014 at 2:29 AM

B-Schad !

listens2glenn on August 15, 2014 at 2:21 AM

Heh.

Dr. ZhivBlago on August 15, 2014 at 2:30 AM

I’m outta here … see y’all after sunrise tomorrow today.

listens2glenn on August 15, 2014 at 2:31 AM

going2mars on August 15, 2014 at 2:25 AM

That is really weird. Don’t imagine we will ever know. But poor Barry must have missed a round or two on the golf course.

cat_owner on August 15, 2014 at 2:32 AM

Anyone familiar with this vid ?

I didn’t finish it, but what I saw of it was fascinating.

But that doesn’t necessarily mean you’ll find worthwhile.

Just posting it for what it’s worth.

listens2glenn on August 15, 2014 at 2:28 AM

Haven’t seen it. What’s he saying?

kcewa on August 15, 2014 at 2:32 AM

listens2glenn on August 15, 2014 at 2:31 AM

Good night.

cat_owner on August 15, 2014 at 2:33 AM

Young black men commit about 50 percent of the murders in this country, 14 times more than young white men. Or, where do murder rates among young white men go up each summer the way they do among black ones in cities like Chicago? “Flash robs” happen when large groups of teens beset a store and steal from it, and I’m sorry, but these are rarely white affairs.

There are reasons for things like these. However, we are being unrealistic to expect America to watch these things and think it’s okay because the boys don’t have Dads and decent-paying low-skill jobs aren’t always easy to find. Let’s face it: If Korean boys regularly did things like this, we’d all be scared to death of them…

I wonder if the black community could step it up some on this. We need to devote some more energy to figuring out what we can do about The Violence, because among all else that it destroys, it feeds a perception bias that ends up killing innocents like Michael Brown.

The rioting of that trash is really a disgrace.

The black population, as a whole, still lags behind nearly all other groups in all areas. Even with all the handouts and affirmative action and encouraged white guilt, the black population (as a whole) still languishes. And you know what? I’m sick of hearing about supposed racism against blacks and how blacks need all kinds of extra help. Some of the most racist people I know are blacks.

Korean immigrants come here, and in one generation their kids are all graduating from medical school and MIT. And they’re a benefit to the country, by and large, not dragging out down as some other groups (as a whole) are doing.

Look, race shouldn’t matter. I think a big problem among many blacks is an obsession with skin color and a habit of playing the victim and feeling entitled. Of course, many are not this way.

bluegill on August 15, 2014 at 2:33 AM

And the “trash” I was referring to were the rioters and all who make excuses for them.

bluegill on August 15, 2014 at 2:34 AM

Politico Pity Party: Obama Is on a ‘Vacation From Hell’

President Barack Obama really wanted to take a vacation. But then the world intervened.

The president’s plan to snag two weeks off in Martha’s Vineyard has been an utter failure, marking his worst attempt at relaxation since the Detroit underwear bomber consumed his 2009 Christmas holiday in Hawaii.

Obama “appears to be on the vacation from hell,” quipped CNN legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin moments before Obama pleaded for peace and calm in Ferguson.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2014/08/15/politico-pity-party-obama-vacation-hell#ixzz3ARM1Y7Xl

Poor Barry. My heart breaks.

cat_owner on August 15, 2014 at 2:37 AM

I don’t think Tony will be eligible for the chase even if he returns and gets a win:

Eligibility for the Chase for the NASCAR Sprint Cup
The top 15 drivers with the most wins over the first 26 races will earn a spot in the Chase Grid — provided they have finished in the top 30 in points and attempted to qualify for every race (except in rare instances).

I guess this might be considered one of those “rare instances”, but I doubt it.

kcewa on August 15, 2014 at 2:38 AM

Dire Straits on August 15, 2014 at 2:29 AM

hmm… if Burton wins..
the chase is driver based not owner or car..
so somehow jeff would need a ton of points quickly
to go with that win to get in the chase..
>>>going to check points race..

going2mars on August 15, 2014 at 2:38 AM

Poor Barry. My heart breaks.

cat_owner on August 15, 2014 at 2:37 AM

He broke the siege of Mt. Sinjar without leaving the golf course.

kcewa on August 15, 2014 at 2:40 AM

Look, race shouldn’t matter. I think a big problem among many blacks is an obsession with skin color and a habit of playing the victim and feeling entitled. Of course, many are not this way.

bluegill on August 15, 2014 at 2:33 AM

I also wonder why the dozens of shootings that happen in Chicago every weekend are completely ignored, yet this is now getting wall to wall press coverage.

kcewa on August 15, 2014 at 2:40 AM

He probably gets a lot of stuff done without leaving the golf course.

cat_owner on August 15, 2014 at 2:44 AM

burton is 43′d in points…way behind the top 32 spot needed..
so it would be all but impossible to get him in the chase..

going2mars on August 15, 2014 at 2:45 AM

going2mars on August 15, 2014 at 2:38 AM

You are correct..Burton could not qualify..:)

Dire Straits on August 15, 2014 at 2:45 AM

going2mars on August 15, 2014 at 2:45 AM

You are correct..:)

Dire Straits on August 15, 2014 at 2:46 AM

kcewa on August 15, 2014 at 2:38 AM

your right.. top 30… sorry

going2mars on August 15, 2014 at 2:46 AM

kcewa on August 15, 2014 at 2:38 AM

You make a great point..:)

PS..Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on August 15, 2014 at 2:47 AM

What’s he saying?

kcewa on August 15, 2014 at 2:32 AM

the Paki’s and Indie’s nuking each other.. the zero line..

going2mars on August 15, 2014 at 2:48 AM

I also wonder why the dozens of shootings that happen in Chicago every weekend are completely ignored, yet this is now getting wall to wall press coverage.
cat_owner on August 15, 2014 at 2:44 AM

The Chicago shootings make blacks look bad, so the national media is very hush hush about it.

You also hear little about this sort of thing:
http://www.wnd.com/2012/06/stunning-dirty-secret-about-racism-in-america/

bluegill on August 15, 2014 at 2:49 AM

did you notice the 20 car is third in points… no win…
can you imagine if the last 4 chase win spots get filled
and Matt being in third place in points.. and out of the show..

going2mars on August 15, 2014 at 2:50 AM

bluegill on August 15, 2014 at 2:49 AM

You really don’t hear about that at all. I posted earlier that I get sick of the media focusing on a single issue. Right now it’s wall to wall Ferguson coverage.

Meanwhile, the border crisis goes on. What are we hearing about that?

cat_owner on August 15, 2014 at 2:58 AM

going2mars on August 15, 2014 at 2:50 AM

I see that..I’m not a huge fan of this new points system..In fact I am not a fan at all..:)

Dire Straits on August 15, 2014 at 3:04 AM

kcewa on August 15, 2014 at 2:32 AM

ok…at the 25 minute mark of that video…
the guy wanted you to invest in grapheme..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphene

http://www.zdnet.com/the-10-strangest-facts-about-graphene-3040093050/

http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/08/13/could-graphene-change-the-way-you-charge-your-ipho.aspx

going2mars on August 15, 2014 at 3:07 AM

Dire Straits on August 15, 2014 at 3:04 AM

they are loosing eyeballs…
both on the tele and in the seats..
so the france family decided to muck with things..
they need new ideas… starting with tracks… call me BF.. (yes I have drawings)

going2mars on August 15, 2014 at 3:10 AM

the Paki’s and Indie’s nuking each other.. the zero line..

going2mars on August 15, 2014 at 2:48 AM

That could happen. I could see them going to war over who controls Afghanistan after we leave.

kcewa on August 15, 2014 at 3:10 AM

ok…at the 25 minute mark of that video…
the guy wanted you to invest in grapheme..
going2mars on August 15, 2014 at 3:07 AM

Graphene is going to solve all our problems :)

kcewa on August 15, 2014 at 3:12 AM

“10 militants killed, 13 members of Pakistani security forces wounded in attacks on air force bases in strategic west Pakistan city of Quetta – @Reuters”

is Quetta where they keep the nukes?

going2mars on August 15, 2014 at 3:19 AM

reuters just posted a story to go with that..

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/15/us-pakistan-militants-attacks-idUSKBN0GE1ZC20140815

going2mars on August 15, 2014 at 3:27 AM

“US to supply more weapons to Lebanese military over Islamic State threat to the country”

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/14/us-supply-weapons-lebanon-arsal-isis

here’s a gem…

“That assistance dwarfs in comparison, however, to a $3bn pledge Saudi Arabia made in late December to help strengthen Lebanon’s armed forces. The grant stipulated that the military hardware must be purchased from France, although none of the money has yet been delivered.”

we give SA cash and arms to prop it up..
they buy French arms for the Lebanon army
who we are also supporting with cash and arms..
why do we have two middlemen in this deal?

going2mars on August 15, 2014 at 3:49 AM

from AP

“12 Russian armored vehicles join aid convoy”

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20140815/eu–ukraine-a6e83f39a4.html

going2mars on August 15, 2014 at 3:53 AM

going2mars on August 15, 2014 at 3:49 AM

I’m guessing you get a lot of your links from Drudge? It’s thanks to that website that we know what’s going on.

Most of the “news” networks are quite pathetic these days. Very grateful for Drudge.

cat_owner on August 15, 2014 at 3:53 AM

cat_owner on August 15, 2014 at 3:53 AM

not from Drudge..
from AP and Reuters and breaking news dotcom..
a few live news sites..

going2mars on August 15, 2014 at 4:02 AM

from reuters 15 minutes ago

“Germany sends first plane carrying aid to northern Iraq”

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/15/us-iraq-security-germany-idUSKBN0GF0JT20140815

I like the part where the Defense Minister Ursula von der Leyen
said..

“”Generally, if a genocide can be prevented with German weapons, then we must help.”

going2mars on August 15, 2014 at 4:04 AM

cat_owner on August 15, 2014 at 3:53 AM

how are things in the great north west tonight?

going2mars on August 15, 2014 at 4:06 AM

going2mars on August 15, 2014 at 4:02 AM

Oh yeah, I check those sites too sometimes but don’t always remember. Drudge is definitely a daily habit though.

And here in the great northwest we finally got some badly needed rain!

cat_owner on August 15, 2014 at 4:10 AM

TCM will have 24 hours of Lauren Bacall movies on Sept 15. Wonder why it’s not until next month?

cat_owner on August 15, 2014 at 4:15 AM

OK Sept 16th would have been her 90th birthday. So that is why the 24 marathon will be from the 15th to the 16th.

cat_owner on August 15, 2014 at 4:20 AM

rain is good… I like it…
and,, its slow here so I read the news..
its daylight on the other side of the planet… :)
sometimes I read bits and post em,
and I see they are a thread the next day..
once in a while two threads..

tomorrows news…tonight

going2mars on August 15, 2014 at 4:20 AM

I love TCM… today was Chaplin day…
in movies..I say the older the better…
LB day will have some great flicks too..

as much as I hate ted… he own the rights to some great movies..

going2mars on August 15, 2014 at 4:25 AM

going2mars on August 15, 2014 at 4:20 AM

Yeah very often overnight news is blogged by Ed in the morning. I really appreciate the work our writers do here for the most part.

But we certainly need sites like that to keep us informed. The TV media is doing a terrible job of keeping people informed. Been like that for quite awhile and I don’t see it getting better any time soon.

cat_owner on August 15, 2014 at 4:25 AM

going2mars on August 15, 2014 at 4:25 AM

Yep I agree. I’m not a Ted fan either, but LOVE TCM! I could not liv without that channel. I hardly ever go to a movie today. But I love the classics, and TCM certainly delivers.

Today is Faye Dunaway. I’m going to be recording Bonnie and Clyde. I don’t really like how they romanticized those two, but do like that movie.

cat_owner on August 15, 2014 at 4:30 AM

cat_owner on August 15, 2014 at 4:25 AM

the LSM has been on the slope downward for a long time..
and with their hero Barry in the WH..
the slope looks like a ski jump..

going2mars on August 15, 2014 at 4:35 AM

Good morning. Supposed to be sunny but not very warm. Winston says hi.

crankyoldlady on August 15, 2014 at 4:40 AM

someone is taking shots at this Packi candidate..

“Reports: Shots fired near Pakistan opposition leader Imran Khan during a march – @Reuters”

“Update: Pakistan opposition leader Imran Khan not hurt but vehicle he was travelling in hit by gunfire – @Reuters”

going2mars on August 15, 2014 at 4:40 AM

crankyoldlady on August 15, 2014 at 4:40 AM

hey goodmorning COL… hey to Winston too..!!
its like 45 degrees here….brrrr..
hope you are well this AM..

going2mars on August 15, 2014 at 4:42 AM

going2mars on August 15, 2014 at 4:35 AM

Yeah it’s really pathetic. But I would add they don’t just cover for Barry, but for any dim.

For example the plagiarism scandal with John Walsh was almost completely ignored but all but local media. Yet Todd Akin and Richard Mourdock became household names.

Andrew Cuomo is involved in a big scandal but you’d never know it. Yet look at how they treated Christie, because he has an R after his name. I don’t even like Christie much, but will say the media coverage of Bridgegate was over the top.

Yet even with the media ignoring most stories, Barry’s approval rating is no more than 40%. At least that is encouraging.

cat_owner on August 15, 2014 at 4:43 AM

crankyoldlady on August 15, 2014 at 4:40 AM

Good morning to you and Winston.

cat_owner on August 15, 2014 at 4:44 AM

“Clashes in Pakistan after shots fired at opposition leader Imran Khan”

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/15/us-pakistan-politics-idUSKBN0GF0M120140815

going2mars on August 15, 2014 at 4:46 AM

remember that wise tall guy with the funny hat..

“You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.”

Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/abrahamlin110340.html#JKqF8of503oYry1P.99

going2mars on August 15, 2014 at 4:49 AM

I’m fading so it’s time to hit the sack. See you all later.

cat_owner on August 15, 2014 at 4:49 AM

I don’t know why anyone wants to be a leader in some of those countries. Their life expectancy is rather bad. They seem to take it as part of the job.

crankyoldlady on August 15, 2014 at 4:50 AM

remember they also shot that lady a few years back..
and she was only a candidate too I think…
so your right…its a short term gig… iffy at best..

going2mars on August 15, 2014 at 4:56 AM

cheers cat_o.. sleep well..

going2mars on August 15, 2014 at 4:57 AM

reuters just posted this 5 mins ago…
(Missouri was quiet most of the night..so that’s good)

“Missouri protests calm as black police captain and state officers replace locals”

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/15/us-usa-missouri-shooting-idUSKBN0GF0LP20140815

going2mars on August 15, 2014 at 5:01 AM

remember they also shot that lady a few years back..
and she was only a candidate too I think…
so your right…its a short term gig… iffy at best..

going2mars on August 15, 2014 at 4:56 AM

I think they like being martyrs. The fact that they aren’t alive to enjoy it doesn’t seem to bother them.

crankyoldlady on August 15, 2014 at 5:05 AM

probably not a very good pension plan either..

going2mars on August 15, 2014 at 5:11 AM

probably not a very good pension plan either..

going2mars on August 15, 2014 at 5:11 AM

Funny.

crankyoldlady on August 15, 2014 at 5:15 AM

I am all news’d out ..
so I will leave you with some really cool pics
of glacier national park..
have a great day COL…cheers

http://www.superbwallpapers.com/nature/glacier-national-park-9827/

going2mars on August 15, 2014 at 5:27 AM

Good morning
Its Friday! !!!!!!!!!!!

What kind of Martha’s vineyard document dump will we hear?

cmsinaz on August 15, 2014 at 6:00 AM

Oh good mj will have al sharpton on….
/

cmsinaz on August 15, 2014 at 6:02 AM

Fox has the Beach Boys this morning as part of their concert series. They won’t play until after 8:30 though.

crankyoldlady on August 15, 2014 at 6:03 AM

President said all the right things yesterday
-joe

Beach boys….very nice col

cmsinaz on August 15, 2014 at 6:08 AM

My problem is the claims of militarism keep rising.

What is an M-16 if it is kept in swat hands only? – A way to avoid a copy of a California cops nightmare where two bank robbers in heavy body armor held them off in a freaky way and they could do nothing because they lacked the required firepower.

What is a single APC per 500,000 or so people, or per a city? It is not going to control them, it is a way to insert police safely, or to remove people safely. A sniper up high, pinned down victims, this gets between, the world cheers as a mother and her two kids are pulled into safety… if you are freaking out over a few APC’s then you are really going to hate to hear what most National Guard units have…

What is a smoke grenade in a cops hands?

What is a grenade launcher, if used to fire tear gas, in a police officers hands?

Every tool they have is useful when needed, none of us would really freak out if we looked at the whole of the picture, but some libertarians are beyond freaked out when there is NOTHING THERE! Oh noes they have a hand launched drone with a 30 minute fly time! They must be peeping! Instead it is really used in hostage situations or stand-offs where they are unsure if someone could be in there with a gun.

Look I will knock the police for any frenzied crap they do, but this equipment is not scary at all and does save lives in some of the more intense situations they run into.

Now some stupid checkpoint… fire em all and ban em from any government job

Some huge ticket revenue 5 deviation points from norm? 3 years in jail please.

But some friggin m-16a2? Used for SWAT situations like bank robbers, like hostage situations, like terrorist attacks? No f’ing worries.

OregonPolitician on August 15, 2014 at 6:12 AM

Every cop needs a camera on their person…..
Yeah ok….
Until the same people scream privacy when the camera is used against them

I don’t see it working

cmsinaz on August 15, 2014 at 6:12 AM

Good Morning, Y’all!

As Peter (Herman) Noone sings, “Second Verse…same as the first.”

My take: Obama and the Ferguson Riots: Community-Organizing By Remote Control

kingsjester on August 15, 2014 at 7:03 AM

Every cop needs a camera on their person…..
Yeah ok….
Until the same people scream privacy when the camera is used against them

I don’t see it working

cmsinaz on August 15, 2014 at 6:12 AM

Virtually everybody in America whose ride isn’t a stroller or one of those pouch thingies has a camera/video recorder with them at all times. It’s called a cell phone and/or IPad. Amazing, isn’t it, that not one of those alleged eyewitnesses to the killing of Brown wasn’t taking pictures as it happened?

Happy Nomad on August 15, 2014 at 7:03 AM

listens2glenn on August 15, 2014 at 2:28 AM

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re-posting my video link which is regarding the impending war that will be initiated between Pakistan and India. The point is made in the video that both countries are equipped with “nuclear weapons”, and both countries don’t necessarily have the MAD (mutually assured destruction) mentality, that restrained the U.S. and Russia from using them on each other.

I never knew that the border between Pakistan and India is more heavily militarized and guarded than the border between North and South Korea.

listens2glenn on August 15, 2014 at 7:10 AM

re-posting my video link which is regarding the impending war that will be initiated between Pakistan and India. The point is made in the video that both countries are equipped with “nuclear weapons”, and both countries don’t necessarily have the MAD (mutually assured destruction) mentality, that restrained the U.S. and Russia from using them on each other.

I never knew that the border between Pakistan and India is more heavily militarized and guarded than the border between North and South Korea.

listens2glenn on August 15, 2014 at 7:10 AM

The Kashmir dispute isn’t exactly a new thing. As a threat, I’d say it is far down the list from the hot spots that are getting more attention.

Happy Nomad on August 15, 2014 at 7:22 AM

Good morning. Supposed to be sunny but not very warm. Winston says hi.

crankyoldlady on August 15, 2014 at 4:40 AM

Morning COL and Bubba says hello to Winston. 84F and low humidity with summer coming back next week with highs in the mind 90sF and humidity in the low 80s. Perfect as we have avoided the lake this year.

From reading the papers, Drudge, Huff Post, Mother Jones, RCP, and this site; lots of angry folks out there. Everybody is right and everybody is wrong at the same time in somebodies eyes. I remember the problems in the late 50′s till 1965; then I came back to the states in 1968. Same kind of feeling.

Time to catch up on last nights QOTD and have a great day and a well wishes to all.

HonestLib on August 15, 2014 at 7:33 AM

listens2glenn on August 15, 2014 at 7:10 AM

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The Kashmir dispute isn’t exactly a new thing. As a threat, I’d say it is far down the list from the hot spots that are getting more attention.

Happy Nomad on August 15, 2014 at 7:22 AM

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I understand (now) it’s an old conflict, but where would a nuclear weapon be more likely to be used? . . . . . I should qualify that with “I’m not counting Islamic Jihad terrorists trying to set one off within our country.”

listens2glenn on August 15, 2014 at 7:33 AM

Agree with me and maybe we can have a joint together some time.

weedisgood on August 14, 2014 at 11:04 PM

Sigh……

In the 60s it was a Joint.

In the 70s it was Bongs, Water Pipes, and Shot Gunning.

In the 80s it was the One Hit Pipe.

In the 90s it Snow Blindness, all Crackie, Tweaker City, and getting ready for Molly.

Now it is Blount Land.

Geez dude, it ain’t the 60s anymore!

HonestLib on August 15, 2014 at 7:48 AM

Happy Nomad on August 15, 2014 at 7:03 AM

Duh

good point HN

cmsinaz on August 15, 2014 at 7:58 AM

I understand (now) it’s an old conflict, but where would a nuclear weapon be more likely to be used? . . . . . I should qualify that with “I’m not counting Islamic Jihad terrorists trying to set one off within our country.”

listens2glenn on August 15, 2014 at 7:33 AM

You say that one side, at least, doesn’t really respond to the concept of MAD. The deterrent in this case is that both sides know that the international ramifications of setting off the first nuclear attack would far outweigh any possible gain. The threat has been around since Pakistan became a member of the nuclear club.

IMO, Israel is under a bigger threat of being nuked by Iran than anything coming out of Kashmir.

Happy Nomad on August 15, 2014 at 8:07 AM

Sigh……
In the 60s it was a Joint.
In the 70s it was Bongs, Water Pipes, and Shot Gunning.
In the 80s it was the One Hit Pipe.
In the 90s it Snow Blindness, all Crackie, Tweaker City, and getting ready for Molly.
Now it is Blount Land.
Geez dude, it ain’t the 60s anymore!
HonestLib on August 15, 2014 at 7:48 AM

You crack me up HL.

Jaibones on August 15, 2014 at 8:34 AM

Holder: …law enforcement officers who are genuinely trying to protect the public…

Oh sure, because aiming fully automatic weapons with 30 round magazines at protestors is trying to protect them in the criminal racist Holder’s mind.

“At a time when we must seek to rebuild trust between law enforcement and the local community, I am deeply concerned that the deployment of military equipment and vehicles sends a conflicting message.”

This from the dirtbag who won’t investigate Fast and Furious, and who is actively involved in militarizing the police. F him, F the government, and F the police!

earlgrey on August 15, 2014 at 9:48 AM

police. F him, F the government, and F the police!

earlgrey on August 15, 2014 at 9:48 AM

I’m not trolling, just making an observation as ad old dood. In the 60s the newly minted progressives screamed…..Screw “The Man”; Screw “The Government; Screw “The Pigs”.

Not at all saying your point is wrong and not making a value judgement. Please don’t take my post the wrong way. I am sure we both shake our heads at the same things.

HonestLib on August 15, 2014 at 10:30 AM

Well now. It appears this nice young 18 year old had robbed a convenience store and physically assaulted a store clerk earlier in the evening. Lends weight to the cop’s report that Brown had assaulted him at his patrol car.

Kevin71 on August 15, 2014 at 11:01 AM

Hiya G2M, missed the comment you left last night (this morning). Thanks for asking.

MAYBE things will be going better today, maybe not. My wife is supposed to come home today, we’ll see how that goes. She apparently contracted (guessing) an infection where her neck and face have swollen up, so before she comes home she has to go to urgent care again and see what’s up, get antibiotics or whatever they need to do to figure out what the problem is.

One thing after another. Maybe it’s nothing, we’ll see.

Talk later tonight!

Diluculo on August 15, 2014 at 12:43 PM

One thing after another. Maybe it’s nothing, we’ll see.

Talk later tonight!

Diluculo on August 15, 2014 at 12:43 PM

I have a feeling she’ll improve when she gets home. Check out any medication they give her.

crankyoldlady on August 15, 2014 at 1:51 PM

cat_owner on August 15, 2014 at 3:53 AM

after I started napping I realized I did not answer that correctly..
what I know about mass news gathering I learned from canopfer..
so I need to give proper props,
to that mass news gathering machine,
from the great white north…
H/T canopfer..!!!

going2mars on August 15, 2014 at 2:38 PM

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