Poll: 26% of tea partiers are okay with socialism

posted at 6:01 pm on August 14, 2014 by Noah Rothman

Straight from the Department of Inconsistencies, the latest Reason/Rupe poll is sure to leave you scratching your head.

Oh, this survey includes many of the important topline results that you would expect. Obama’s job approval rating continues to underwhelm with 43 percent approving and 52 percent disapproving of his performance in office. Approval of Congress remains dismal, with just 18 percent approving and 75 percent disapproving. And the generic congressional ballot continues to indicate that Republicans will have a decent year at the polls; voters prefer to see Republicans in control of Congress over Democrats by 33 to 29 percent, and 84 percent of self-identified Republicans say they are likely to vote in November compared to just 73 percent of self-described Democrats.

There are even some surprising results, too, like the apparent fact that this poll found a majority of Americans disapprove of the significant role the United States takes in Middle East peace negotiations. “53 percent of Americans believe the United States should be less involved in negotiating a long-term peace agreement,” Reason pollster Emily Ekins wrote. 21 percent believe America should be more involved, 17 percent would like to see less American involvement, and a full 36 percent prefer the U.S. to disassociate itself entirely from the Middle East.

But the most curious part of this poll came when respondents were asked for their preferences on economic policy. Not surprisingly, Americans prefer that their elected officials pursue growth-oriented policies rather than those that concede the economy will forever contract and our only salvation is to divvy up the remainder of the shrinking pie in the most equitable fashion possible.

“In terms of economic policies, 74 percent of Americans would like Congress to focus on policies to promote economic growth, while 20 percent favor policies to reduce income inequality,” Ekins noted.

This finding was, however, somewhat contradicted when respondents were asked about the 20th Century’s great competing economic philosophies:

Fifty-five percent of Americans tell Reason-Rupe they have a favorable opinion of capitalism. Meanwhile, 36 percent of those surveyed, including 33 percent of independents and 26 percent of self-described Tea Party supporters, have a favorable opinion of socialism. Half of Democrats, 50 percent, have a favorable opinion of socialism, nearly identical to the 53 percent who have a favorable opinion of capitalism.

So, the big takeaway from the Reason/Rupe poll is that people really no longer know what words mean.


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Public education in this country is crap.

bluegill on August 14, 2014 at 6:04 PM

Socialism is great!….. if you are the manager handing out the goodies. Somehow, the Politburo always had the best.

And every socialist thinks they are going to be the manager, not the peon. Never heard of one yet who has explained the “Too many chiefs, not enough indians” problem.

Wait, did I just insult Warren?

Vanceone on August 14, 2014 at 6:05 PM

Half of Democrats, 50 percent, have a favorable opinion of socialism, nearly identical to the 53 percent who have a favorable opinion of capitalism.

This alone tells me the poll is mostly or all BS.

That many Democrats have a favorable opinion of capitalism? I highly doubt that.

Aizen on August 14, 2014 at 6:05 PM

53% of Democrats say they have a favorable view of capitalism?

forest on August 14, 2014 at 6:06 PM

The average IQ is 100. That means there are a lot of people who are stupid.

mchristian on August 14, 2014 at 6:07 PM

They thought the survey meant social media, and TeaPartay types loves they sum Facebook and Instagram.

In other words, yes- they have no idea what words mean.

Dolce Far Niente on August 14, 2014 at 6:08 PM

The Democrats got “capitalism” confused with capitalization.

I mean… anybody would.

Dolce Far Niente on August 14, 2014 at 6:09 PM

I love socializing! And I love Snapple!

CycloneCDB on August 14, 2014 at 6:09 PM

Not surprising. What percentage of Tea Partiers are democrat? I recall it was 20 some %.

Mimzey on August 14, 2014 at 6:10 PM

“Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They always run out of other people’s money. It’s quite a characteristic of them.” ~~ Margaret Thatcher

RedPepper on August 14, 2014 at 6:12 PM

Bullshiite.

Polls are getting worthless anyway. I know of several people, my wife and her brother for just 2 examples, who happily give pollsters totally screwed up BS answers just because they don’t like having the pollsters bothering them. Bound to be many other people doing the same thing.

dentarthurdent on August 14, 2014 at 6:13 PM

Let’s be honest. Most people don’t even know what those terms mean. They probably think that socialism is just being sociable.

bluegill on August 14, 2014 at 6:13 PM

I’m going to get a drink.

rbj on August 14, 2014 at 6:13 PM

Half the people in this country are below average in intelligence.

Yes, I realize that is really mean.

myiq2xu on August 14, 2014 at 6:14 PM

I’m not surprised simply because I doubt I’m the only one who has fun with things like that.
 
My favorite lately is when the scammer calls and tells me my computer is sending in error messages and I need to go turn it on and go to the website he’ll give me, I stand in front of the microwave and push buttons and ask questions about if we need to preheat or defrost, if I can just use the “POTATO” button, if it’s a meat or vegetable, etc. It’s amazing how long it takes them to catch on.

rogerb on August 14, 2014 at 6:14 PM

Maybe they think it means going to parties and hanging out.

Mark1971 on August 14, 2014 at 6:14 PM

“Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy.” ~~ Winston Churchill

RedPepper on August 14, 2014 at 6:15 PM

I love socializing! And I love Snapple!

CycloneCDB on August 14, 2014 at 6:09 PM

Snapple wrrooockks! (Did I type that out loud?)
26% of the polls taken suck taters.

onomo on August 14, 2014 at 6:15 PM

“Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They always run out of other people’s money. It’s quite a characteristic of them.” ~~ Margaret Thatcher

RedPepper on August 14, 2014 at 6:12 PM

You truly are nutty.. Quoting Thatcher? The same Thatcher – preserver of the Socialist NHS healthcare system in the UK?

LOL!

“The NHS is safe in our hands. The elderly are safe in our hands. The sick are safe in our hands. The surgeons are safe in our hands. The nurses are safe in our hands. The doctors are safe in our hands. The dentists are safe in our hands.” – Margaret Thatcher.

Notice she utters not one word about greedy pharma companies.

Ned Pepper on August 14, 2014 at 6:19 PM

rogerb on August 14, 2014 at 6:14 PM

Is this the Tom Mabe residence?
You DO know you’ve called a murder scene don’t you?

Our local news rag asks poll questions on their web site that you have to answer to get to the story. According to those questions – I’ve never heard of Microsoft or Apple, and many other wonderful little tidbits that should be completely useless to them.

dentarthurdent on August 14, 2014 at 6:21 PM

Why would anyone trust a Reason poll? They are crackpots.

Blake on August 14, 2014 at 6:22 PM

“The worst advertisement for Socialism is its adherents.” ~~ George Orwell

RedPepper on August 14, 2014 at 6:22 PM

“When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’
― Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking Glass

Capitalism means getting a really big government contract like Solyndra – or – participating in a government marketplace like Obamacare.

Socialists are people who use social media like Facebook and Twitter.

pilsener on August 14, 2014 at 6:24 PM

Idiocracy, the movie, is not just entertainment anymore.

And it won’t take 500 years to become reality

tru2tx on August 14, 2014 at 6:24 PM

“It is the common error of Socialists to overlook the natural indolence of mankind; their tendency to be passive, to be the slaves of habit, to persist indefinitely in a course once chosen. Let them once attain any state of existence which they consider tolerable, and the danger to be apprehended is that they will thenceforth stagnate; will not exert themselves to improve, and by letting their faculties rust, will lose even the energy required to preserve them from deterioration. Competition may not be the best conceivable stimulus, but it is at present a necessary one, and no one can foresee the time when it will not be indispensable to progress.” ~~ John Stuart Mill

RedPepper on August 14, 2014 at 6:25 PM

Idiocracy, the movie, is not just entertainment anymore.

And it won’t take 500 years to become reality

tru2tx on August 14, 2014 at 6:24 PM

I’ve been saying for a few years now that we’re already there.

dentarthurdent on August 14, 2014 at 6:26 PM

There are even some surprising results, too, … “53 percent of Americans believe the United States should be less involved in negotiating a long-term peace agreement,”

I’m shocked, SHOCKED to see a reason Poll skewing strongly in favor of an isolationist foreign policy.

I agree Noah, some people really no longer know what words mean… like you and “surprising”.

CapnObvious on August 14, 2014 at 6:26 PM

I suspect someone equipped to actually dissect this poll would… dissect it.

The waft of inconsistent bullshit is strong. Phrasing of the questions, parsing of the answers, definition of the terms… yeah, this doesn’t remotely smell like ‘reality’.

Midas on August 14, 2014 at 6:27 PM

Tappity-tappity-tappity…

- Ned

CurtZHP on August 14, 2014 at 6:27 PM

Yes, I realize that is really mean.

myiq2xu on August 14, 2014 at 6:14 PM

I see what you did there…

Just don’t make those deviations a standard part of your posts mister!

CapnObvious on August 14, 2014 at 6:30 PM

The waft of inconsistent bullshit is strong. Phrasing of the questions, parsing of the answers, definition of the terms… yeah, this doesn’t remotely smell like ‘reality’.

Midas on August 14, 2014 at 6:27 PM

Ya – it’s all in the wording of the question.

I just had to take a company climate survey and they had questions like “The company prides itself on …..”. How do answer that? In many cases, upper management in the company “prides itself” on wanting to do certain things – but they don’t actually do them.

dentarthurdent on August 14, 2014 at 6:30 PM

Do they even know what that means?

Torcert on August 14, 2014 at 6:33 PM

Half of Democrats, 50 percent, have a favorable opinion of socialism

Shouldn’t this be headline news for weeks?

“Radical Left Takes Over Democratic Party”

etc.

faraway on August 14, 2014 at 6:33 PM

Poll taxes are racist. I think we should have Poll IQ tests instead. Nobody under 120 is allowed to cast a ballot, and only those over 140 are allowed to run for office.

That would disqualify Barky from either category.

NOMOBO on August 14, 2014 at 6:33 PM

Bogus

Bmore on August 14, 2014 at 6:34 PM

“In terms of economic policies, 74 percent of Americans would like Congress to focus on policies to promote economic growth, while 20 percent favor policies to reduce income inequality,” Ekins noted.

Likely 75% of those that want economic growth policies would not know one (an actual pro growth policy) if it slapped them in the face a thousands times telling them that it is an economic growth policy while they would recognize an “economic growth policy” (something that destroys growth) a 37 billion light years away if it were hiding inside a black hole (at 37 billion years away, it would impossible for light from it to be 1/3 the way to earth if it began transmitting the moment the universe was created).

astonerii on August 14, 2014 at 6:34 PM

I’d also like to know why more economic growth and an ever expanding economy is a good thing? How does it improve my life? They used to answer that by saying it affords us a strong military but that is easily disproved nonsense. What it does afford is more socialism and larger government. I’ll take economic contraction.

You could triple our economic growth tomorrow by bringing the billion poorest people here. Not trying to give the Chamber of commerce any ideas. Just saying.

Buddahpundit on August 14, 2014 at 6:35 PM

US conservatives love Margaret Thatcher. They fantasize about Thatcher.

But they conveniently ignore a few important things about Thatcher.

1. Thatcher supported the Socialist NHS healthcare system. She did not “repeal” it.

2. Thatcher was a big supporter of abortion rights.

Ned Pepper on August 14, 2014 at 6:35 PM

26% of tea partiers are okay with socialism

Noah, is that you? You can admit it. We won’t tell anyone.

faraway on August 14, 2014 at 6:37 PM

Notice she utters not one word about greedy pharma companies.

Ned Pepper on August 14, 2014 at 6:19 P

Stand tall against the “greedy” pharma companies and vow never to use any of their medicine again!

You can make a difference!

darwin on August 14, 2014 at 6:37 PM

Elements of the tea party support Putin

weedisgood on August 14, 2014 at 6:37 PM

maybe I SHOULD have said elements “within”

weedisgood on August 14, 2014 at 6:37 PM

Obviously 26% have no idea what socialism is.

darwin on August 14, 2014 at 6:39 PM

Where would Red Pecker be without antibiotics?

faraway on August 14, 2014 at 6:40 PM

26% of tea partiers are okay with socialism

Knowing that Tea Party supporters tend to be older,

it’s more conceivable that 26% of respondents misunderstood the question or need a hearing aid.

lynncgb on August 14, 2014 at 6:44 PM

Sorry, wrong thread website.

Ned Pepper on August 14, 2014 at 6:35 PM

antipc on August 14, 2014 at 6:44 PM

Meanwhile, 36 percent of those surveyed, including 33 percent of independents and 26 percent of self-described Tea Party supporters, have a favorable opinion of socialism. Half of Democrats, 50 percent, have a favorable opinion of socialism, nearly identical to the 53 percent who have a favorable opinion of capitalism.

26% of the Tea Party supporters, 33% of the Independents, and 50% of the Democrats either have no clue as to what socialism means and that it’s been an utter social and fiscal failure when tried, or they somehow think they are going to be in the 0.5% of the population who actually profit / benefit from socialism (by being it’s leaders).

Either way, it’s another sign that we may have crossed the Rubicon re the future of this country.

Athos on August 14, 2014 at 6:45 PM

I have no idea what Reason/Rupe is, but I’m pretty sure that is the odor of a government grant of some kind.

antipc on August 14, 2014 at 6:47 PM

Socialism, the stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which collective ownership of the economy under the dictatorship of the proletariat has not yet been successfully achieved.

I doubt they phrased it like that to the Tea Party polled.

They probably said, “do you like medicare and social security?”

Connecticut on August 14, 2014 at 6:48 PM

Elements of the tea party support Putin

weedisgood on August 14, 2014 at 6:37 PM

Elements of the Tea Party think you should put down that bong and back away.

Dolce Far Niente on August 14, 2014 at 6:50 PM

This should make it clear:
Andrew Klavan: Income Redistribution: http://youtu.be/LUuDw6-sUes via @YouTube
In which our host, Andrew Klavan, explains the leftist fantasy called income redistribution to himself.

Torcert on August 14, 2014 at 6:50 PM

US conservatives love Margaret Thatcher. They fantasize about Thatcher.

But they conveniently ignore a few important things about Thatcher.

1. Thatcher supported the Socialist NHS healthcare system. She did not “repeal” it.

2. Thatcher was a big supporter of abortion rights.

Ned Pepper on August 14, 2014 at 6:35 PM

Honest question without all the yammering….which economic system do you like. Me…capitalism, how about you.

HonestLib on August 14, 2014 at 6:52 PM

They probably said, “do you like medicare and social security?”

Connecticut on August 14, 2014 at 6:48 PM

That is exactly how you find out who is a socialist and who is a conservative.
Are you an evil communist? No? Ok then, move along.
What do you think of Lenin? You really love the guy? Think he is a great leader? Alrighty then…

astonerii on August 14, 2014 at 6:52 PM

Speaking of the TP:
Hollywood Moonbat Rob Reiner Compares Tea Party To Hamas, Says They Need To Be “Eliminated”http://shar.es/1nCzkc via @WeaselZippers

Torcert on August 14, 2014 at 6:52 PM

26% have no idea we spend most of our tax revenue (some years all of it) on social programs and the cost rises every year.

26% have no idea legalizing the millions of illegals here would effectively overwhelm the US entitlement system (Cloward and Piven applaud) and probably leave millions with nothing but riots in every major urban area.

darwin on August 14, 2014 at 6:52 PM

maybe I SHOULD have said elements “within”

weedisgood on August 14, 2014 at 6:37 PM

You also Mr. seeds and stems…..what economic system do you like?

Honest question.

HonestLib on August 14, 2014 at 6:54 PM

wonder what the questions were.
if they were social security related they could easily parse that into liking socialism.

dmacleo on August 14, 2014 at 6:55 PM

Surprising, but not too surprising. There has always been an element on the right who favored a certain level of economic populism covered in the garb of some otherwise conservative positions. If you want to find socialist tea partiers, look for people with “Huckabee 08″ bumper stickers they haven’t scraped off their car.

alchemist19 on August 14, 2014 at 6:55 PM

HonestLib on August 14, 2014 at 6:54 PM

capitalism.

weedisgood on August 14, 2014 at 6:57 PM

Just for the record Pepper Sprout and Blount Man, Libby answered honestly that he was a progressive fascist and believes in 100% central/command control. Gots to give the dude credit for being honest. How about yous doods?

HonestLib on August 14, 2014 at 6:58 PM

capitalism.

weedisgood on August 14, 2014 at 6:57 PM

Thanks for the answer and I do appreciate it. Then, how come you seem to enjoy poking conservatives with a stick. Don’t get me wrong, conservative bash away with a stick also. I was going to say I bash away with a stick, but at my age I just wish foe a twig to do something with!

Again, thanks for the answer. Have a good evening.

HonestLib on August 14, 2014 at 7:02 PM

Sounds like those polls of self IDed homosexuals.

formwiz on August 14, 2014 at 7:05 PM

From the survey:

59. In just a few words, how would you define
socialism?
• Government Control……………………………..20%
• Equality/Sharing……………………………………..8%
• Govt Taking Care of/Helping People…………..7%
• Redistribution/Makers v Takers/Handouts….7%
• Working Together/For the People……………..3%
• Being Social/Getting Along……………………….3%
• Communism/Similar to……………………………2%
• Associated w/ Leaders/Dictator………………..2%
• To Each According to Needs/Capacity………..1%
• Govt Control of Health Care……………………..1%
• Favor it/It Works……………………………………..2%
• Against It/Doesn’t Work…………………………..9%
• Other………………………………………………….5%
• Don’t Know What Socialism Is…………………25%
• Refused…………………………………………….2%
• Total………………………………………………..100%

darwin on August 14, 2014 at 7:05 PM

capitalism.

weedisgood on August 14, 2014 at 6:57 PM

HonestLib on August 14, 2014 at 7:02 PM

I consider him little more than an uber Luap Nor fanboy and a moby most of the time, but good question. I wonder if he’ll answer and do so honestly?

Athos on August 14, 2014 at 7:08 PM

Thanks for the answer and I do appreciate it. Then, how come you seem to enjoy poking conservatives with a stick. Don’t get me wrong, conservative bash away with a stick also. I was going to say I bash away with a stick, but at my age I just wish foe a twig to do something with!

Again, thanks for the answer. Have a good evening.

HonestLib on August 14, 2014 at 7:02 PM

I consider myself a conservative on most issues but I’m not a KOOLAID drinker who will always follow something because all conservatives are doing it or have the same opinion.
I like to think for myself sometimes and that started early in my childhood.
Sometimes it’s good to have a different opinion from everyone else.
I also flat out think most conservatives are wrong on certain issues like marijuana and death penalty just to name a few.

weedisgood on August 14, 2014 at 7:11 PM

I also flat out think most conservatives are wrong on certain issues like marijuana and death penalty just to name a few.

weedisgood on August 14, 2014 at 7:11 PM

Perhaps instead of the death penalty we could ship those sentenced to death to another “Devil’s Island” and let them fend for themselves.

… or, contract with another country, like maybe Mexico or Saudi Arabia. We’ll pay them a modest fee to house our lifers convicted of murder and heinous crimes.

darwin on August 14, 2014 at 7:15 PM

From the survey:
59. In just a few words, how would you define
socialism?
• Don’t Know What Socialism Is…………………25%
darwin on August 14, 2014 at 7:05 PM

Well there’s your problem my good man!

Torcert on August 14, 2014 at 7:17 PM

From the survey:
59. In just a few words, how would you define
socialism?
• Equality/Sharing……………………………………..8%
• Working Together/For the People……………..3%
• Being Social/Getting Along……………………….3%
darwin on August 14, 2014 at 7:05 PM

There’s your problem part 2

Torcert on August 14, 2014 at 7:19 PM

Wait, did I just insult Warren?

Vanceone on August 14, 2014 at 6:05 PM

.
Lie-Uh-Watha Warren? Nah, I doubt she’d notice…

ExpressoBold on August 14, 2014 at 7:33 PM

Yes, and a large minority of liberals are in favor of personal liberty, economic liberty, low taxes and small government.\

~10% of political party members vote for the other party.

America and its larger demographics are soups. It’s the soup that matters, not so much the individual ingredients. Break a sample down and you’ll find all sorts of strange things.

HitNRun on August 14, 2014 at 7:35 PM

If the poll were truthful it would say

26 percent of self-described Tea Party supporters are liberal democrats that love socialism

Further, it would say 95% of democrats favor socialism, 5% favor fascist dictatorships with themselves in charge.

Diluculo on August 14, 2014 at 7:44 PM

26% of tea partiers are okay with socialism

Do they realize socialism is the bane of freedom?

Axion on August 14, 2014 at 7:51 PM

I always have trouble taking Reason seriously. It’s shallow but I cant get by the head guy, Rick Gelespi. The 60 yr old “cool” guy that paints his hair jet black and wears a fonzi jacket thing bugs me. It screeeeeaaaams insecure dbag. It’s petty but eh.

Anyway, why is Reason taking such pains to highlight this stupid aberration in the pol. Obviously Tea party supporters aren’t socialists. Also, HA featured a much more respected Yale study that showed tea partiers are more scientifically literate(see below).

So if Rick or ROthman or the twerps at Reason are trying to make a “point” with thier poll(its not science its a poll) then they should read this SERIOUS STUDY first—HA article has the source link.

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/10/18/yale-survey-average-tea-partier-has-better-science-comprehension-than-general-population/

And I’m sure that the writers at Reason are less scientifically literate than the average Tea Partier. Their poll and subsequent write up proves it.

BoxHead1 on August 14, 2014 at 7:53 PM

It’s a Reason poll, it’s about as credible as that former Kos pollster Research 2000, who would just make s,hit up.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 14, 2014 at 7:54 PM

If the poll were truthful it would say

26 percent of self-described Tea Party supporters are liberal democrats that love socialism

Further, it would say 95% of democrats favor socialism, 5% favor fascist dictatorships with themselves in charge.

Diluculo on August 14, 2014 at 7:44 PM

To be fair, I would suspect that most of that 26% number (which is something closer to 10% of the total population) consists of people who don’t really know what either word means. Depressing though that is, it’s helpful to keep in mind that if you look at the lowest quartile of any population in terms of intelligence, you can expect to find pretty extreme idiocy, so it would not really be all that surprising if, say, 40% of them were just inclined to automatically support ideologies they knew nothing about.

RINO in Name Only on August 14, 2014 at 8:11 PM

To be fair, I would suspect that most of that 26% number (which is something closer to 10% of the total population) consists of people who don’t really know what either word means. Depressing though that is, it’s helpful to keep in mind that if you look at the lowest quartile of any population in terms of intelligence, you can expect to find pretty extreme idiocy, so it would not really be all that surprising if, say, 40% of them were just inclined to automatically support ideologies they knew nothing about.

RINO in Name Only on August 14, 2014 at 8:11 PM

To clarify, I mean 40% of the bottom quartile, which would yield the 10% figure above. Not that I think it’s quite that simple, but I’d guess something along those lines explains the result. That, and/or sampling and methodological errors.

RINO in Name Only on August 14, 2014 at 8:31 PM

US conservatives love Margaret Thatcher. They fantasize about Thatcher.

But they conveniently ignore a few important things about Thatcher.
.
1. Thatcher supported the Socialist NHS healthcare system. She did not “repeal” it.

2. Thatcher was a big supporter of abortion rights.

Ned Pepper on August 14, 2014 at 6:35 PM

.
Aw, dang blast you, Ned . . . . . you just ruined my whole illusion of Magaret Thatcher.
Another perfectly good “fantasy” shot to hell . . . . son-of-a . . . . . . . . .

listens2glenn on August 14, 2014 at 8:34 PM

…26 percent of self-described Tea Party supporters, have a favorable opinion of socialism…

This doesn’t surprise me. Back when the TEA Party was forming up and having rallies, on-site surveys showed that around 25-30% of self-proclaimed members were Democratics.

The TEA Party is not the demographic that its enemies claim it is, that’s just a convenient attack vector.

slickwillie2001 on August 14, 2014 at 8:43 PM

I’m sure the next poll will claim that 50% of Tea Partiers think that Congress should be abolished and that the President should make the laws in this country and continue to grow government. Why not? This poll is just as absurd.

Aitch748 on August 14, 2014 at 9:11 PM

You truly are nutty.. Quoting Thatcher? The same Thatcher – preserver of the Socialist NHS healthcare system in the UK?

LOL!

“The NHS is safe in our hands. The elderly are safe in our hands. The sick are safe in our hands. The surgeons are safe in our hands. The nurses are safe in our hands. The doctors are safe in our hands. The dentists are safe in our hands.” – Margaret Thatcher.

Notice she utters not one word about greedy pharma companies.

Ned Pepper on August 14, 2014 at 6:19 PM

‘Thatcher tried to sell off the NHS but I blocked it’: Ken Clarke says he rejected plan to go to ‘dreadful’ American health system

Veteran Tory MP Ken Clarke has revealed that he blocked Margaret Thatcher privatising the NHS as Health Secretary in the 1980s.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2699145/Thatcher-tried-sell-NHS-I-blocked-Ken-Clarke-says-rejected-plan-dreadful-American-health-system.html#ixzz3AQ39Ja1t
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tanked59 on August 14, 2014 at 9:17 PM

Low information “tea partiers.”

These people are too stupid and uninformed to be real tea partiers.

They no nothing.

They just like the name.

slp on August 14, 2014 at 9:21 PM

Only one thing anyone needs to know about socialism . . . it never works.

Conservchik on August 14, 2014 at 9:48 PM

As I read a list of words and phrases, please tell me if you have a very favorable, mostly favorable, mostly UNfavorable, or very UNfavorable opinion of them.

a.Socialism
b.Capitalism
c.The Free Market System
d.Government – managed economy

In just a few words, how would you define socialism?
(RECORD OPEN END)
1 Answer given
8(DO NOT READ) Don’t know
9 (DO NOT READ) Refused

not impressed

the poll used categorical words, which means whatever the person believes. If someone ‘likes’ socialism, they may not be liking what I consider to be socialism

Had the question been, do you feel favorable towards the government deciding what to teach your children, or do you feel favorable about the government telling you what you have to eat for lunch, the replies change

entagor on August 14, 2014 at 10:03 PM

Anyone who claims to like Socialism is NOT a TEA Party member. TEA Party members are against huge, oppressive govt, being over-taxed by fiscally irresponsible politicians who keep setting records regarding deficit spending & the amount of debt added, and who are against the new ‘entitlement’, government hand-out addicted generation. This poll reminds me about how several years ago Liberals were caught/exposed infiltrating and trying to sabotage the TEA Party from within…

easyt65 on August 14, 2014 at 10:37 PM

So, the big takeaway from the Reason/Rupe poll is that people really no longer know what words mean.

Why the land of idiots voted for a moron, twice.

Schadenfreude on August 14, 2014 at 11:43 PM

Poll: 26% of tea partiers are okay with socialism

Whether folks are OK with it or not doesn’t matter. Socialism is what is left over when Capitalism implodes. I think Wal-Mart worrying about profits lately must be somewhere in Revelation as a sign of the coming Apocalypse.

Hopefully, Socialism won’t be in full swing until after I’m gone. The Xers, Millenials, Generation Dumbass or whatever the heck they’re called nowadays can embrace the suck. It’s what most of them want anyway.

Enjoy.

Dr. ZhivBlago on August 15, 2014 at 1:07 AM

Noah, there is a basic problem with polls. Some people, such as I, consider polls to be intrusions on our privacy and time. In 50 years of being polled by one group or another over the phone I don’t believe I have given a truthful answer if I even bothered to pay attention to the bozos wasting my time. I’ve been passing honest, if not thoughtful, with the Hot Air polls when they seem like their questions have covered the proper bases. If not, I will admit to trying to throw the polls into la la land with crazy answers.

The real question is how many people are like me and how many people feel honor bound to give good, thoughtful, honest answers to people annoying them at dinner time or any other time?

{^_^}

herself on August 15, 2014 at 5:15 AM

What planet is this author from because it is not in the real world. If it doesn`t fit wacko`s like Rothman just make it up. Socialism? Get Real idiots and take a look around the world as it has failed at all times and all ages

HAGGS99 on August 15, 2014 at 7:37 AM

Yeah I call BS on this poll and the author of this post should know better. What was the polling methodology? What were the questions? How was that conclusion derived?

If you ask someone if they are ok with social security and if they answer yes then say they favor socialism that is not a valid method to reach the conclusion.

Why? Examine what I did there. That question is so vague. “Are you ok with social security?”

Pollsters use this sort of tactic ALL THE TIME to make polls come out in a manner acceptable to the entity paying for it. They don’t care about reality. The polling company cares about what?

GETTING PAID TO RUN POLLS.

And they are very well paid.

dogsoldier on August 15, 2014 at 7:51 AM

So, the big takeaway from the Reason/Rupe poll is that people really no longer know what words mean.

What do you expect from amerikans who re-elected odumbass? This is a country of idiots run by criminals and thugs.

earlgrey on August 15, 2014 at 9:38 AM

Rupe rimes with dupe. Although, it does give us a heads up as to just how far down the toilet we’ve gone. Wait for the eduction on just how wonderful socialism is to continue if Fauxchahontas run for prezzy.

Kissmygrits on August 15, 2014 at 9:46 AM

Poll: 26% of tea partiers are okay with socialism

That makes sense, the baggers have beenn working to elect democrats since 2010.

Falz on August 15, 2014 at 10:19 AM

Poll: 26% of tea partiers are okay with socialism

We all better be okay with Socialism as the Democrats are moving us there as fast as they can make it happen and the Republican Party refuses to fight to stop them.

RJL on August 15, 2014 at 4:28 PM

I would point out that the Tea Party is not some unified in all aspects movement.

It is entirely possible to be concerned about runaway fiscal policies, stagnant economic growth, a desire to not have quite so large a government, on one level yet on another level, when you start getting into the gritty detail stuff, find that there is still a wide range of conflicting opinions/positions about the specifics.

For instance, some might favor free trade to encourage exports (i.e. generate jobs) while others might favor high tariffs in order to keep out imports (i.e. to keep existing jobs). There is no reason why both camps could not be concerned about rising debt levels, high taxes, oppressive, expanded government and want less of all that.

So 26% seeing socialism as okay, would not be unreasonable given that usually people think in terms of the amount of socialism they imagine as acceptable when asked the question.

Russ808 on August 16, 2014 at 7:30 AM