Police excess, attacks on the press have made the situation in Ferguson worse

posted at 8:41 am on August 14, 2014 by Noah Rothman

On Wednesday night, Washington Post reporter Wesley Lowery and The Huffington Post’s Ryan Reilly were arrested by police in Ferguson, Missouri while covering the civil unrest which has followed the police shooting of 18-year-old Michael Brown. The reporters claim that they were given no reason for their detention, and the police have failed to provide anything to counter that narrative. Lowery also claims that he was physically abused during his detention process.

A video uploaded to the internet by Lowery appears to back up his account:

After his release from police custody, Lowery penned an account of his ordeal for The Washington Post:

During this time, we asked the officers for badge numbers. We asked to speak to a supervising officer. We asked why we were being detained. We were told: trespassing in a McDonald’s.

Once at the station, we were processed, our pockets emptied. No mug shots. They removed our restraints and put us in a holding cell. Ryan was able to get ahold of his dad. I called my mom, but I couldn’t get through. I couldn’t remember any phone numbers.

We were in there for what felt like 10 or 15 minutes. Then the processing officer came in.

“Who’s media?” he asked.

We said we were. And the officer said we were both free to go. We asked to speak to a commanding officer. We asked to see an arrest report. No report, the officer told us, and no, they wouldn’t provide any names.

In an appearance on MSNBC after his release, Lowery also alleged that he was assaulted by police officers after he was accused of resisting arrest. He said as he adjusted a bag which was slung over his shoulder, police interpreted this as a sign of resistance, said “let’s take him,” and threw Lowery into a soda machine. They then took his possessions and put him in physical restraints.

This is not the only account of police taking action to ensure that the press, the only mechanism which can impose accountability on public servants in moments like these, knows that they are in just as much risk as are those engaging in rioting.

With this, a story that was about a tragic shooting, the search for justice, and an angry population engaging in social unrest while police struggled to keep the peace is now a story about police mistreatment of the press. The media particularly enjoys covering the media, and they are perfectly justified in covering this story extensively and into the weekend. Even those who are predisposed to give those officers attempting to maintain order in Ferguson the benefit of the doubt have been disturbed by their behavior.

The police did not cover themselves in glory in this instance, and their actions deserve all the scrutiny they will receive in the coming days as the national media pours over every move they make.

“I understand the need to address looting and rioting, and quickly. I understand that law enforcement officers put their lives on the line to do that. But perhaps when a police force, which must work with local communities to be successful, has already shot an unarmed person thereby inflaming the emotions of said community, they should approach the policing in the immediate aftermath with an overabundance of caution,” Mary Katharine Ham wrote in a compelling and powerful post. “Using rioting as an excuse for police abuses is just as problematic as using the original shooting as an excuse for looting.”

No one should suggest the police’s response to civil unrest in Ferguson is an excuse for more turbulence, though some will. Those who want this situation to escalate and become an issue around the country now have their rallying cry. The officers who engaged in this heavy handed and apparently unprovoked attack on the press are responsible for that condition.


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Police in the US are out of control.

theblackcommenter on August 14, 2014 at 11:02 AM
What do you think we should do to the cops?

faraway on August 14, 2014 at 11:07 AM

I believe police (generally) need to be reminded over and over again that they are as subject to the law as anyone else and that being a law enforcement officer does not give one license to be a bully. And unfortunately there are quite a few police who simply are bullies. But even when they are not, the type of tactics, training and approach to policing that sees non-police as ‘civilians’ and encourages a militaristic view of policing doesn’t serve anyone and is a threat to the liberty of a free people.

It should not be that we have to read about police killing old people in their rooms, shooting people’s pets, throwing flashbang grenades that burn small children, etc., etc. Of course, I expect mistakes. I expect human error. Yet all too often these ‘mistakes’, these ‘human errors’ are treated like collateral damage in a war — but we’re not in a war. And citizens of the United States should not have to feel like they’re in a war. And that applies EVEN IF they are’black thugs’ — a term thrown about far too loosely and which usually just means a young black male from a poor neighborhood, regardless of whatever else is known about him.

theblackcommenter on August 14, 2014 at 11:29 AM

Can you be more specific. Can you point to the time period when conservatives in your community began to oppose heavy militarization of municipal or state police?…
 
…to flood local municipalities with federal funds to facilitate the purchase of military grade weapons. These are facts. Deal with the world you created instead of claiming that you “silently” opposed these moves.
 
libfreeordie on August 14, 2014 at 10:06 AM

 
Another great point. So you’re telling everyone this heavy militarization occurred in (R) controlled and/or conservative-held municipalities?
 
rogerb on August 14, 2014 at 10:16 AM

 
I didn’t say that, so not sure exactly what you want from me. I said that the political will for “tough on crime” policies was generated by the GOP.
 
libfreeordie on August 14, 2014 at 10:37 AM

 
Weird. Maybe it was the ghooooOOOOooost libfreeordie?
 
Regardless, you should probably email Ed and Allah and let them know your account was hacked and someone else who shouldn’t be is posting under your name.
 
But while we wait, go ahead and name some of those heavily militarized (R) controlled municipalities for us, professor.

rogerb on August 14, 2014 at 11:30 AM

I’m not pretending to know anything, jackass. I hadn’t seen any mention of that in any story I had read about it, so I was asking where he had seen it.

Slab Bulkhead on August 14, 2014 at 11:30 AM

How many people know that the Officer that shot the man in Ferguson was injured?

http://www.newsweek.com/ferguson-police-chief-says-officer-involved-shooting-was-injured-264511

CW on August 14, 2014 at 11:31 AM

I’m not pretending to know anything

Slab Bulkhead on August 14, 2014 at 11:30 AM

Heh.

You act like you know the law. You couldn’t cite a court case for around 30 minutes and then when you did it wasn’t remotely close to defining a citizen’s rights in a similar circumstance.

You really are funny.

Need a paper towel? I bet you can barely read your monitor.

CW on August 14, 2014 at 11:33 AM

I didn’t cite anything because I’m not letting you define the terms of what I say. I finally (and foolishly) gave in. So, tell me, how isn’t it “remotely close to defining a citizen’s rights in a similar circumstance.”?

And I don’t even know what the hell your bizarre obsession with paper towels and tissues is about. Seek help.

Slab Bulkhead on August 14, 2014 at 11:37 AM

All of them?

What would you say if I said blacks are out of control? I would have more proof than you. Wouldn’t I? I don’t support that contention or yours.

CW on August 14, 2014 at 11:09 AM

You are welcome to dispute my contention. And you’re welcome to assert that blacks are out of control. It’s a free country.

theblackcommenter on August 14, 2014 at 11:37 AM

When the media tells us all about Republicans, Conservatives, and Tea Partiers, let’s be skeptical.

But when the media tells us their side of a story about police officers, let’s accept it as truth until the Police prove otherwise.

Because, the media can be trusted.

Baggi on August 14, 2014 at 11:38 AM

Feds intervene. Good news!! Feds taking over finally!!!

Derek Wallbank @dwallbank · 34m
Clay: “The gov. just called me and he’s on his way to St. Louis now to announce he’s taking St. Louis County police out of the situation”

Ned Pepper on August 14, 2014 at 11:09 AM

gov. is governor, right?

So the governor of a state is the federal government, Ned?

rogerb on August 14, 2014 at 11:16 AM

 
This is the same Derek Wallbank, right? 21 minutes ago:
 

Rep. Lacy Clay (D-Missouri) told a Bloomberg News reporter he is currently “on his way to St. Louis now to announce he’s taking St. Louis County police out of the situation.” Bloomberg’s Derek Wallbank said Clay also claimed Nixon didn’t specify whether the state police or FBI would step in.
 
The St. Louis County Police reportedly told Joel Currier of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch they aren’t aware of reports that they’re being relieved of duty.
 
http://www.businessinsider.com/report-missouri-governor-will-take-st-louis-county-police-out-of-ferguson-2014-8

 
Sorry, Ned.

rogerb on August 14, 2014 at 11:40 AM

You’ve slowly but surely given over your rights to bureaucracy and now you’re complaining, you like your government check but lament the police cameras which appear in black neighborhoods. They come as a package, my friend, a nice neat little package that your overlords know you won’t complain about because that check can be stopped. Bishop on August 14, 2014 at 10:59 AM

This is the dumbest logical fallacy of life. Simultaneity does not prove mutual constitution or causality. libfreeordie on August 14, 2014 at 11:01 AM

So the blood is coincidental to the wound?

Akzed on August 14, 2014 at 11:40 AM

Why is so hard for some people to grasp. This reporter was on private property (McDonalds), he wasn’t there to buy anything (LOITERING), he was then trying to get an interview with some locals, now it becomes TRESPASSING, the police came in asked him to leave 6 FREAKING TIMES, (RESISTING ARREST WITHOUT VIOLENCE), and he barely complied (OBSTRUCTING).

IT’s THAT SIMPLE. You can’t go on to private property and play news anchor. PRIVATE PROPERTY!! He wasn’t on some public street mind you.

The whole story is bunk.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 14, 2014 at 11:41 AM

Those are in favor of this travesty ought to look at some of the tweets from Iraq and Afghanistan veterans extremely critical of the Ferguson police, their over-militarization, and their failures at crowd control.

I guess those guys are a bunch of unpatriotic liberals.

K. Hobbit on August 14, 2014 at 11:42 AM

All of them?

What would you say if I said blacks are out of control? I would have more proof than you. Wouldn’t I? I don’t support that contention or yours.

CW on August 14, 2014 at 11:09 AM
You are welcome to dispute my contention. And you’re welcome to assert that blacks are out of control. It’s a free country.

theblackcommenter on August 14, 2014 at 11:37 AM

Let’s not go down this road again.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 14, 2014 at 11:42 AM

CW on August 14, 2014 at 11:31 AM

The police chief says the cop was injured, but, very conveniently, he won’t tell us who the cop even was, so there’s no way of verifying that.

notropis on August 14, 2014 at 11:42 AM

…to flood local municipalities with federal funds to facilitate the purchase of military grade weapons. These are facts. Deal with the world you created instead of claiming that you “silently” opposed these moves.

libfreeordie on August 14, 2014 at 10:06 AM

Gee, last I looked it was the current Administration, especially Big Sis, that began handing out automatic weapons, 2 billion rounds of ammo, and MRAPs.

As always, lib gets it wrong. And he was so very silent when those stories began surfacing a couple of years ago.

formwiz on August 14, 2014 at 11:44 AM

Those are in favor of this travesty ought to look at some of the tweets from Iraq and Afghanistan veterans extremely critical of the Ferguson police, their over-militarization, and their failures at crowd control.

I guess those guys are a bunch of unpatriotic liberals.

K. Hobbit on August 14, 2014 at 11:42 AM

I agree the police are over-militarized. IIRC, they showed up in SWAT gear to some conservatives houses because some left wing zealots, SWated them.

The left using the police as a tool of intimidation.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 14, 2014 at 11:45 AM

The police chief says the cop was injured, but, very conveniently, he won’t tell us who the cop even was, so there’s no way of verifying that.

notropis on August 14, 2014 at 11:42 AM

They won’t say who the cop was so the lawless mobs won’t descend on his family. It’s really not that hard to grasp.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 14, 2014 at 11:46 AM

It’s a free country.

theblackcommenter on August 14, 2014 at 11:37 AM

A relatively free country.

Bmore on August 14, 2014 at 11:46 AM

This is how ignorant conservatives are about how policing runs in this country. And yet you claim to know something about governmental abuses of power and tyranny. OF COURSE they investigate their own crimes and always have.Jesus…the sheer and complete naivete of the tea party is a disgusting thing to behold.

libfreeordie on August 14, 2014 at 9:33 AM

Do you feel the same about the federal government?

“The F.B.I. takes very seriously any shooting incidents involving our agents, and as such we have an effective, time-tested process for addressing them internally,” a bureau spokesman said.

But if such internal investigations are time-tested, their outcomes are also predictable: from 1993 to early 2011, F.B.I. agents fatally shot about 70 “subjects” and wounded about 80 others — and every one of those episodes was deemed justified, according to interviews and internal F.B.I. records obtained by The New York Times through a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit.

The last two years have followed the same pattern: an F.B.I. spokesman said that since 2011, there had been no findings of improper intentional shootings.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/19/us/in-150-shootings-the-fbi-deemed-agents-faultless.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

I don’t hear you bitching about the FED’s. Or were they also included?

Patriot Vet on August 14, 2014 at 11:47 AM

The police chief says the cop was injured, but, very conveniently, he won’t tell us who the cop even was, so there’s no way of verifying that.

notropis on August 14, 2014 at 11:42 AM

Maybe to protect his family?

There have been threats, moron.

formwiz on August 14, 2014 at 11:47 AM

A relatively free country.

Bmore on August 14, 2014 at 11:46 AM

You’re correct

theblackcommenter on August 14, 2014 at 11:53 AM

Raquel, that’s fine. If that’s what actually happened, that the manager of Mickey D’s asked him to leave and he refused, then yes, the order to leave was justified.

Slab Bulkhead on August 14, 2014 at 11:53 AM

Oh, my. The angelic Michael Brown. Drinking vodka and Hawaiian Punch (lol)…pointing a gun…holy cow.

https://www.facebook.com/MichaelBerryFanPage/photos/a.363467236699.163471.115017781699/10152312509651700/?type=1&theater

But the photo the parents chose for the news conference was of a toddler.

WhirledPeas on August 14, 2014 at 11:54 AM

CW on August 14, 2014 at 11:31 AM

He was beaten up by Brown and an accomplice. I posted about it on the QOTD thread.

dogsoldier on August 14, 2014 at 11:56 AM

Can you be more specific. Can you point to the time period when conservatives in your community began to oppose heavy militarization of municipal or state police?…

…to flood local municipalities with federal funds to facilitate the purchase of military grade weapons. These are facts. Deal with the world you created instead of claiming that you “silently” opposed these moves.

libfreeordie on August 14, 2014 at 10:06 AM

It started under Clinton. Liberals are to blame.

The Law Enforcement Support Office (LESO), the facilitators of 1033 program, originated from the National Defense Authorization Act of Fiscal Year 1997 (FY 97). This law allows for the office to transfer excess Department of Defense property to law enforcement agencies across the United States and its territories.

Since its inception, the 1033 program has transferred more than $4.3 billion worth of property. In 2013 alone, $449,309,003.71 worth of property was transferred to law enforcement.

If your law enforcement agency chooses to participate, it may become one of the more than 8,000 participating agencies to increase its capabilities, expand its patrol coverage, reduce response times, and save the American taxpayer’s investment.
Title 10 USC, Section 2576a

Liberals created this militarized police force, not the GOP. Deal with that. DemoCRAPS can’t feign outrage and disgust now.

Patriot Vet on August 14, 2014 at 11:59 AM

WhirledPeas on August 14, 2014 at 11:54 AM

That’s not Michael Brown – you got took…. It’s Joda Cain. Google it.

notropis on August 14, 2014 at 11:59 AM

Raquel, that’s fine. If that’s what actually happened, that the manager of Mickey D’s asked him to leave and he refused, then yes, the order to leave was justified.

Slab Bulkhead on August 14, 2014 at 11:53 AM

Yes and even by the report’s OWN ADMISSION, he was loitering.

FERGUSON, Mo. — For the past week in Ferguson, reporters have been using the McDonald’s a few blocks from the scene of Michael Brown’s shooting as a staging area.

Using private property as a “staging area.” Not buying anything, mind you. How would you feel if this is your McDonald’s and it’s being used by reporters to harass your patrons?

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 14, 2014 at 11:59 AM

ISIS is the only think not deteriorating under obama.

Schadenfreude on August 14, 2014 at 11:59 AM

ISIS is the only think thing not deteriorating under obama.

Schadenfreude on August 14, 2014 at 12:00 PM

Joda Cain

notropis on August 14, 2014 at 12:01 PM

As Marc Lamont Hill recently said, shout out to the people who only care about black on black violence when the police kill unarmed black people.

libfreeordie on August 14, 2014 at 9:58 AM

Marc Lamont Hill ✔ @marclamonthill
Follow
Happy Birthday to my Brother @MumiaAbuJamal. So grateful to know him, write with him,and struggle for his release from unjust incarceration.

_________________________________________________________

Hill told a CNN panel today that watching the Chris Dorner saga unfold has been “like watching ‘Django Unchained’ in real life. It’s kind of exciting!”

Mark Lamont Hill sure likes to show his love for cop killers, ‘eh moonbat?

tanked59 on August 14, 2014 at 12:03 PM

Come to think of it, Ned, like LFOD,
 

You want more government, cops acting with impunity is more government, welcome to Utopia.
 
Bishop on August 14, 2014 at 9:52 AM

 
That pretty much covers it, professor. You don’t get to pick and choose which overbearing and all-encompassing anti-citizen mother hen government mentality you support. You indicate you want it, and then you relax and try to enjoy it as they give it to you.
 
You told them you wanted it, professor, and now comes your obligation for the next bit.
 
Congratulations again on your choice.
 
rogerb on August 14, 2014 at 10:11 AM

 

ends up accidentally making a very, very good point to support the small-government side of things. Even though he was completely wrong (again) here
 

Feds intervene. Good news!! Feds taking over finally!!!
 
Ned Pepper on August 14, 2014 at 11:09 AM

 
it introduces a unique opportunity.
 
Ned/libfreeordie/any other (D)s, if the “federal authorities” coming down (and remember that ***you don’t vote for those guys***) don’t perform adequately in Ferguson, what is your solution?
 
Where is their office?
 
Can you go visit them easily?
 
What is their last name?
 
What community do they live in?
 
Who is their boss?
 
Do you vote for him?
 
Where is his office?
 
Can you go visit them easily?
 
See the point yet? The farther the government is separated from you, the less control you have over it. It’s like a fire. You need to stand near it after you light it so it doesn’t get out of control.

rogerb on August 14, 2014 at 12:07 PM

We got one of these brewing, too. Hooray for Hollywood. Could make Ferguson look like an off-Broadway run.

Coming this Sunday to L.A….

#HANDSUP! JUSTICE FOR EZELL FORD AND SOLIDARITY WITH FERGUSON

de rigueur on August 14, 2014 at 12:08 PM

Day 1: OMG someone has to stop these animals from destroying the town!!!
Day 2: OMG the police are wearing helmets. Government out of control! F— the police!!!

Mitochondrion on August 14, 2014 at 12:12 PM

Liberals created this militarized police force, not the GOP. Deal with that. DemoCRAPS can’t feign outrage and disgust now.

Patriot Vet on August 14, 2014 at 11:59 AM

No, it has been escalating for a long time -

Overkill – The Rise of Paramilitary Police Raids in America

http://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/balko_whitepaper_2006.pdf

roy_batty on August 14, 2014 at 12:14 PM

It is nothing but pro police to recognize that there is a seriously inept department. I imagine there are police chiefs all of the country just stunned at the rookie run circus down there.
At a certain point, you need to bring in professionals.

verbaluce on August 14, 2014 at 12:15 PM

Day 1: OMG someone has to stop these animals from destroying the town!!!

Day 2: OMG the police are wearing helmets. Government out of control! F— the police!!!

Mitochondrion on August 14, 2014 at 12:12 PM

.
A curfew should have been established and the National Guard deployed BEFORE the morning of the second day.
.

listens2glenn on August 14, 2014 at 12:28 PM

Cop tells you to pack your stuff and get out, say ,”Yes Sir.”, you pack your stuff and get out. You don’t hold up a video camera in his face and take your time. They burned and looted the night before, the reporters were in a tense area. This wasn’t a Tuesday afternoon in Malibu. Common sense tells you the cops may be a little tense, also. Reporters do not have rights that normal Americans don’t have. You start thinking that way you empower the fascists. The press is already against us, don’t make a couple of HuffPo dweebs heroes for being passive aggressive a-holes.

peacenprosperity on August 14, 2014 at 12:29 PM

Why is so hard for some people to grasp. This reporter was on private property (McDonalds), he wasn’t there to buy anything (LOITERING), he was then trying to get an interview with some locals, now it becomes TRESPASSING, the police came in asked him to leave 6 FREAKING TIMES, (RESISTING ARREST WITHOUT VIOLENCE), and he barely complied (OBSTRUCTING).

IT’s THAT SIMPLE. You can’t go on to private property and play news anchor. PRIVATE PROPERTY!! He wasn’t on some public street mind you.

The whole story is bunk.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 14, 2014 at 11:41 AM

What were they charged with? Oh, that’s right, nothing. So all those CAPS things you wrote above apparently weren’t bad enough for the police to actually arrest him.

cptacek on August 14, 2014 at 12:32 PM

It is nothing but pro police to recognize that there is a seriously inept department. I imagine there are police chiefs all of the country just stunned at the rookie run circus down there.

verbaluce on August 14, 2014 at 12:15 PM

.
Right now the St Louis P.D. isn’t looking at all good, but it’s still too early to make a definitive judgement.
.

At a certain point, you need to bring in professionals.

verbaluce on August 14, 2014 at 12:15 PM

.
“Professional” what(s) ?

I just declared you Mayor of the city of St Louis.

What do you recommend we do, Mr Mayor ?

listens2glenn on August 14, 2014 at 12:35 PM

“Professional” what(s) ? …

I just declared you Mayor of the city of St Louis.

What do you recommend we do, Mr Mayor ?

listens2glenn on August 14, 2014 at 12:35 PM

Governor is relieving them of duty in Ferguson.
Not sure if the mayor supports that. Likely he’s in a bit of a spot – even if he does support that move.

verbaluce on August 14, 2014 at 12:42 PM

I didn’t realize it was the County police doing all of this, btw.
 
So who here knows the demographics of St. Louis County? Was it (R)s or (D)s in charge of the departments and letting these officers know killing unarmed black kids and intimidating reporters is appropriate behavior?
 
Isn’t that them in Obama blue over on the right?
 
http://www.politico.com/2012-election/results/president/missouri/

rogerb on August 14, 2014 at 12:47 PM

At a certain point, you need to bring in professionals.

verbaluce on August 14, 2014 at 12:15 PM

You mean like the professionals we have at the TSA?

Or IRS?

NSA?

Bueller?

PS I’m betting, by this time next week, this looks like Trayvon II.

And the Ferguson cops will all be white Hispanics named George.

formwiz on August 14, 2014 at 12:47 PM

That’s not Michael Brown – you got took…. It’s Joda Cain. Google it.

notropis on August 14, 2014 at 11:59 AM

Oops. Michael Berry mentioned it on his show this morning. I’m surprised one of his callers didn’t give him grief (they’re usually pretty good at correcting him if he goofs).

Thanks for the heads up.

WhirledPeas on August 14, 2014 at 12:55 PM

de rigueur on August 14, 2014 at 12:08 PM

Popcorn time!!!

WhirledPeas on August 14, 2014 at 12:57 PM

Looks like Ferguson is turning out to be Zimmerman II.

Brown went into a police car when he was shot.

Add this to the fact that the cop had a bruised face and we have, what?, more purple drank or just the Knockout Game gone crazy?

PS Sounds like the National Guard’s about to be called out, not necessarily the feds.

formwiz on August 14, 2014 at 11:27 AM

I expect that the officer told the two men to not walk on the street, but move to the sidewalk and the two men took that as a “diss”.

If you “diss” (disrespect) a black man in some way that someone not immersed in the black street culture would not understand, it is perceived as an attack on him. He must respond to that attack, or in the black subculture he will be seen as weak and unmanly.

slickwillie2001 on August 14, 2014 at 1:04 PM

@ libfree in case someone has not already posted it. You are an idiot. Rand has been consistent on this issue.

http://time.com/3111474/rand-paul-ferguson-police/

Firefly_76 on August 14, 2014 at 1:23 PM

If you “diss” (disrespect) a black man in some way that someone not immersed in the black street culture would not understand, it is perceived as an attack on him. He must respond to that attack, or in the black subculture he will be seen as weak and unmanly.

slickwillie2001 on August 14, 2014 at 1:04 PM

Way to characterize us all by the actions of our worst thugs.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 14, 2014 at 1:25 PM

Sounds like the old Southern Code where everything had to be settled with pistols at dawn.

Or Bowie knives on the spot.

So, if some black guy disses a white guy with the Knockout Game, the white guy is justified in shooting him, according to the black street culture, right?

formwiz on August 14, 2014 at 1:25 PM

the political will for “tough on crime” policies was generated by the GOP.

libfreeordie on August 14, 2014 at 10:37 AM

The GOP favors being tough on crime. Democrats favor trampling our rights. I’ll take tough on crime over having my rights trampled any day.

corkie on August 14, 2014 at 1:25 PM

We don’t have a free press anymore, so gas them and cuff them. Our police are armed thugs, so quit giving them so much money. Stop paying taxes.

ezspirit on August 14, 2014 at 1:27 PM

No, it has been escalating for a long time -

Overkill – The Rise of Paramilitary Police Raids in America

http://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/balko_whitepaper_2006.pdf

roy_batty on August 14, 2014 at 12:14 PM

Yes. You are correct that SWAT has been use decor decades prior. But the reutilization of military equipment and gear was instituted by the Clinton administration. I should have been more clear on my point. From your link:

In 1994, the Department of Defense issued a memorandum authorizing the transfer of equipment and technology to state and local police. The same year, Congress created a “reutilization pro- gram” to facilitate handing military gear over to civilian police agencies.27

For the Libtards to now get up in arms over this policy, when they had no objection to it when Clinton initiated the program is ignoring the history of how it came to be.

Patriot Vet on August 14, 2014 at 1:45 PM

This whole story posted by Noah is some sensationalist bs. The manager of the McDonalds asked the guy to leave, because he was freaking out the patrons, the police came ASKED HIM 6 TIMES TO LEAVE, and he still barely complied.

If it was me and not a journalist, I wouldn’t have gotten out in 15 minutes, I would have been there till I bonded out.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 14, 2014 at 11:29 AM

I think the direct link to the story is http://www.kmov.com/video?id=271171241&sec=549502&ref=rcvidmod ?

Doesn’t seem to be any great crime or oppression here. As always, the police are subject to investigation to determine if they were out of line, but it appears the manager of McDonalds requested the police to come in, and they certainly gave the reporters enough opportunity (just from watching the video) that they can’t complain too much about finally being arrested when they fail to comply.

There Goes the Neighborhood on August 14, 2014 at 1:56 PM

The police chief says the cop was injured, but, very conveniently, he won’t tell us who the cop even was, so there’s no way of verifying that.

notropis on August 14, 2014 at 11:42 AM

They won’t say who the cop was so the lawless mobs won’t descend on his family. It’s really not that hard to grasp.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 14, 2014 at 11:46 AM

Yes, the policeman obviously needs to be protected from the reporters and paparazzi.

Wait, maybe you meant the other lawless mobs in this situation…

There Goes the Neighborhood on August 14, 2014 at 2:00 PM

Patriot Vet on August 14, 2014 at 1:45 PM

Yup.
I’m not real thrilled about the over-militarization of police forces, but I say if surplus military equipment is going to be made available to local police, it should also be available for “we the people”, the legal law-abiding citixens of the US to bid on and acquire as well.

However, on the whole Ferguson situation, I personally think looters, or for that matter anyone attacking innocent people and destroying or stealing their property should be shot on sight.

dentarthurdent on August 14, 2014 at 2:02 PM

I’m disgusted by the hypocrisy of some. Barely 4 months ago you people were calling for the lockup of Cliven Bundy for being a law breaker. Now, we have riots and actually violence on the streets. All I hear are excuses… Why because a few of the protective class got yelled at and put in local lockup for a couple hours. I’m disgusted by you Pharisees.

OliverB on August 14, 2014 at 2:05 PM

Sounds like the old Southern Code where everything had to be settled with pistols at dawn.

Or Bowie knives on the spot.

So, if some black guy disses a white guy with the Knockout Game, the white guy is justified in shooting him, according to the black street culture, right?

formwiz on August 14, 2014 at 1:25 PM

That’s not accidental. Thomas Sowell has made the point that a lot of black culture (obviously generalizing considerably here) was in fact inherited from the old Southern culture, where dueling and fistfights over issues of honor were not exactly unknown.

I don’t know that I’m completely convinced by his argument, but there’s no denying that a lot of black stereotypes are also true of lower class whites in the South as a group.

Classic examples being fried chicken and watermelon, both of which were a huge part of my diet as a kid. And sweet tea.

And no, I’m not black.

There Goes the Neighborhood on August 14, 2014 at 2:19 PM

Lowery and Reilly are simply playing their roles in creating a broader narrative about police (read: white) oppression.

ignatzk on August 14, 2014 at 2:22 PM

Classic examples being fried chicken and watermelon, both of which were a huge part of my diet as a kid. And sweet tea.
And no, I’m not black.

There Goes the Neighborhood on August 14, 2014 at 2:19 PM

In that case – you’re RACIST for just mentioning those particular food items… – all of which I happen to love – and I’m a yankee.

Mmmmmmm Popeyes spicy – and I’m actually having watermelon for lunch right now…..

dentarthurdent on August 14, 2014 at 3:02 PM

Anyone who thinks bringing in the feds is a plus does not remember Waco. The feds are mass murderers on a level of their own.

earlgrey on August 14, 2014 at 3:11 PM

At a certain point, you need to bring in professionals.

verbaluce on August 14, 2014 at 12:15 PM
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“Professional” what(s) ?

I just declared you Mayor of the city of St Louis.

What do you recommend we do, Mr Mayor ?

listens2glenn on August 14, 2014 at 12:35 PM

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Governor is relieving them of duty in Ferguson.
Not sure if the mayor supports that. Likely he’s in a bit of a spot – even if he does support that move.

verbaluce on August 14, 2014 at 12:42 PM

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That doesn’t count for you … what would you have done two nights ago ?

Hell, you even have the advantage of “hindsight.”
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I believe a curfew should have been set, and National Guard troops deployed.

What say ye ?

listens2glenn on August 14, 2014 at 3:43 PM

It should not be that we have to read about police killing old people in their rooms, shooting people’s pets, throwing flashbang grenades that burn small children, etc., etc. Of course, I expect mistakes. I expect human error. Yet all too often these ‘mistakes’, these ‘human errors’ are treated like collateral damage in a war — but we’re not in a war. And citizens of the United States should not have to feel like they’re in a war. And that applies EVEN IF they are’black thugs’ — a term thrown about far too loosely and which usually just means a young black male from a poor neighborhood, regardless of whatever else is known about him.

theblackcommenter on August 14, 2014 at 11:29 AM

agreed.

Monkeytoe on August 14, 2014 at 3:57 PM

PS Sounds like the National Guard’s about to be called out, not necessarily the feds.

formwiz on August 14, 2014 at 11:27 AM

Don’t think the feds would have authority.

FBI, DEA, etc. have no authority to police local/state laws. Sure, when in the midst of an investigation of a federal crime they come across violations of those laws, they can charge those laws as well (although, as often as not, the local DA prosecutes the state crimes separately from the federal crimes).

And, of course, the military cannot be used because of the Posse Comitatas (not sure of spelling) Act, which prohibits the use of U.S. military to enforce domestic laws.

So, not sure that any feds would have legal authority to step in and take over policing duties on the state/local level.

Monkeytoe on August 14, 2014 at 4:25 PM

Bishop,

The spookiest part is the way the citizens just took it, an entire city of libfrees who cowered and then later voted for people who would bring them more such oppression.

And the funniest part is the way the authorities and their blitzkrieg failed to find the fugitive Tsarnaev.

Mike Honcho on August 14, 2014 at 11:23 PM

Police excess, attacks on the press have made the situation in Ferguson worse

Are the Iraqis defense of Baghdad making it worse? The Israelis defense of their country making it worse? The Ukraines defense of its’ country making it worse?

Moral relativist.

peacenprosperity on August 14, 2014 at 11:48 PM

a term thrown about far too loosely

Ever heard of You Tube?

peacenprosperity on August 14, 2014 at 11:49 PM

theblackcommenter on August 14, 2014 at 11:29 AM

Are the national crime statistics a lie? Or do you think we live in an awful country?

peacenprosperity on August 14, 2014 at 11:51 PM

A couple of beltway fruit “journalists” play a passive aggressive game with police in a warzone that gets them handcuffed for a couple hours and the pretend conservatives at HA start screaming “Police state!” while the republicans and democrats play a make believe game in congress and the federal government clamps down on our civil rights. Do you morons realize that they were throwing Molotov cocktails and shooting at the police last night and no one was killed?

Another successful diversion by the fascists that the dimwit squishy’s fall for.

peacenprosperity on August 14, 2014 at 11:58 PM

3 days of violent rioting, Molotov cocktails, and kill the pigs rhetoric yet only one building burned and one rioter killed!

Ferguson PD deserves high praise and a medal for this performance, not diaper wetting ‘conservatives’ piling on.

DaMav on August 15, 2014 at 11:18 AM

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