Nixon to relieve St. Louis County PD in Ferguson

posted at 12:41 pm on August 14, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

Allahpundit mentioned this in his preview post on statements from both Barack Obama and Missouri Governor Jay Nixon, but it’s a development that stands on its own as well. After the nation watched the militarized police response in Ferguson, the firing of teargas at non-violent protesters as well as media camera crews, and the arrests of two journalists at a McDonald’s, Nixon has had enough. He has relieved the St. Louis County police of authority over Ferguson:

Missouri Governor Jay Nixon will announce that St. Louis County law enforcement will be relieved of duty in Ferguson, which has been roiled by protests after the shooting death by police of an unarmed teenager, according to Representative William Lacy Clay.

“The governor just called me, and he’s on his way to St. Louis now to announce he’s taking away St. Louis County police out of the situation,” Clay, a Missouri Democrat, said in a telephone interview. He added that Nixon may ask the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation to step in.

Clay said that he has been urging U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder to “take over the entire situation because we will not get justice for Michael Brown and his family and friends if the St. Louis County police and prosecutor have a say.”

Who will replace them? So far, that’s not yet been determined — or at least not publicly. The FBI might take over the investigation of the Michael Brown shooting — the Department of Justice has already started their own overview of the case — but they aren’t designed for local law enforcement. The obvious solutions would either be a state police unit, or possibly a mix of officers from the surrounding communities under the command of state police.  Nixon could call out the National Guard, but that would be going from the frying pan into the fire. What’s needed in Ferguson now isn’t an escalation, but a demilitarization, as Missouri Sen. Claire McCaskill said within the last hour:

Nixon will speak at 3:00 ET today to announce the specific changes in a press conference, but he may well be asked why he allowed the situation to get this far out of hand in the first place. The images that came out of Ferguson starting early yesterday evening showed hints of police overreaction from the beginning. Snipers on top of tanks and personnel dressed in camouflage and body armor looked like something from Iraq, rather than domestic law enforcement trying to keep the peace.  And that was before police began arresting reporters on hand to cover the protests, and shooting teargas at them without provocation.

Reporters might want to question Nixon about whether the SLCPD felt they had the authority to shut down lawful protests and enforce a curfew. I’ve been puzzled about some reactions to the video of police arresting Wesley Lowery and Ryan Reilly at a McDonalds and the teargas attack on an Al Jazeera news crew for just standing on the sidewalk with their cameras. Some have suggested that these journalists didn’t respond to police orders to disperse, and were therefore subject to detention and counter-riot tactics. However, that’s only a legitimate argument when an emergency decree is in effect that explicitly authorizes police to act in such a manner. I’m unaware of any such declaration by Nixon, and if one does not exist, the police don’t have the authority to impose it themselves. Our whole system of civil rights is based on police being servants of the law, not on citizens being servants of the police based on their assessment of when we can and cannot exercise those rights. That includes pointing cameras at the police, and sitting in a public restaurant in a lawful manner.

The police in Ferguson appear to have behaved last night much more like an occupying army rather than a law-enforcement agency as well as looking the part, and that should be very disturbing to anyone who believes in limited government.

The police say they were provoked, but it also appears that they threw gas on this fire too with their heavy-handed response:

Two reporters said they were detained by police for not clearing out quickly enough from a McDonald’s where they were working, near the protests but away from the more volatile areas. The two, who work for The Washington Post and The Huffington Post, were released without any charges. Both say they were assaulted but not seriously hurt.

Among those arrested was St. Louis Alderman Antonio French, who has been chronicling the protests on social media.

“I think the heavy-handed approach by police is escalating the situation and more people are going to get hurt if this keeps up,” French told KMOX Radio. …

Residents in Ferguson have complained about the police response that began with the use of dogs for crowd control soon after Brown’s shooting – a tactic that for some invoked the civil rights protests from a half-century ago. The county police force took over, leading both the investigation of Brown’s shooting and the subsequent attempts to keep the peace at the smaller city’s request.

County Police Chief Jon Belmar said his officers have responded with “an incredible amount of restraint” as they’ve had rocks and bottles thrown at them, been shot at and had two dozen patrol vehicles destroyed.

Very clearly, this situation needs a rapid de-escalation. The SLCPD does not appear to be the agency to accomplish that at the moment, and it’s taken Nixon too long to get a grip on this crisis.


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Raquel Pinkbullet on August 14, 2014 at 1:29 PM

how do you know the reporters didn’t buy anything and were loitering? i’m sure they would have been willing to buy something from the dollar menu, if asked.

dbilly76 on August 14, 2014 at 1:53 PM

Air drop some Care Bears!

Ward Cleaver on August 14, 2014 at 1:53 PM

I was still in the Army when black rioting erupted in Detroit. There is STILL black rioting. The black neighborhoods (virtually everywhere) are STILL, by far, the most dangerous. All the liberal Democrats in the world with their Affirmative Action, welfare, food stamps, disparate impact and token black president (wind it up and it plays golf) can’t put Humpty Dumpty back together again. The police are, in a sense, janitors being asked to clean up a mess made by others. Maybe the janitors aren’t good cleaners but they didn’t create the mess. Remember that.

MaiDee on August 14, 2014 at 1:54 PM

Yes, this would be terrible – hopefully an actual investigation will occur that *everyone* can look at and agree was *real*.

Midas on August 14, 2014 at 1:37 PM

Less likely, mostly because so many critical pieces are now GONE:

The ‘Crime” scene, the actual area of the shoot is days old; any forensic evidence, like placement of the car, body, etc is now tainted to a degree that prosecuting EITHER party is going to be damn near impossible.

Same goes with the eyewitnesses: You have testimony of at least 2 people, including the victims friend, but you also have statements from the officer…we have reports of a crowd chanting “Kill the Cop!” but we don’t know for sure if that happened BEFORE, DURING or AFTER the event. Any impartial witnesses may be further intimidated by others.

Any video recordings of the event, outside of City owned CCTV (Traffic cams) may have been lost, due to most business recycle their recordings…or may have been lost due to the vandalism.

Yes, maybe there will be evidence that will support one side or the other, but face it, if both the local and Federal investigation shows it was a “good’ shoot, that still won’t solve anything: too many people now will be invested in seeing the Office pay, no matter if he was exonerated or not.

BlaxPac on August 14, 2014 at 1:57 PM

Billy has it or has it not been established this they were asked to leave by store management.?

Jamson64 on August 14, 2014 at 1:58 PM

Jamson64 on August 14, 2014 at 1:58 PM

the reporters didn’t mention anything about being ask to leave by any employees. and since the cops refuse to comment or provide any reports i guess we’re left to speculate.

dbilly76 on August 14, 2014 at 2:01 PM

Thank you…but did you know that some “journalists” were mistreated? That changed everything.

d1carter on August 14, 2014 at 1:53 PM

That does seem to be the case. Nobody is talking about the rioting and looting anymore. It’s ALL about the cops now.

Bitter Clinger on August 14, 2014 at 2:02 PM

i just called the mcdonald’s in ferguson. they are open for business. nice try.

dbilly76 on August 14, 2014 at 1:48 PM

Since you are doing your due diligence, can you positively identify it was the same McD’s that the reporters were at? Or did you call and ask “Were you open during…?”

Whom did you talk to? Was it an office number, or did it go to a payphone in the p-lot?

Did you ask specifically if the person that answered was there that night?

This is why investigations are time sensitive: and you take care to verify EVERYTHING, otherwise, it’s all ass-speak and conjecture.

BlaxPac on August 14, 2014 at 2:04 PM

Billy I doubt simply buying something gives one the right to stay if they don’t want you there. I have seen fast food places with signs forbidding photography.

Jamson64 on August 14, 2014 at 2:06 PM

canopfor on August 14, 2014 at 1:07 PM

Whom do you think is stirring up everything?

formwiz on August 14, 2014 at 1:12 PM

formwiz: D*mmitt, Community Organizer Sh*t-Distrubers!:)

canopfor on August 14, 2014 at 2:07 PM

BlaxPac on August 14, 2014 at 2:04 PM

yes, i did ask but they refused to answer. now i believe it was a different location that is likely closed now. i don’t know if it was open yesterday. apologies.

dbilly76 on August 14, 2014 at 2:09 PM

It’s funny. If this were just a post about some random local police force buying armored vehicles everyone would be screaming about how local law enforcement shouldn’t get those things. It’s kind of strange how people change their standing on an issue just from the circumstances at hand. If you are against the militarization of the local police force somewhere then you should be against it everywhere else in the nation. Even in the most violent of cities. To me it is the same thing as Boston. It is them saying “we have to do this for your safety”. So they go to the most extreme. An almost Martial Law, and see just how far they can go. I am with the pundits at HotAir on this one.

Fazero on August 14, 2014 at 2:09 PM

Again, I remind people, think back to the video of Korean merchants and others in a firefight to protect their business in LA back in ’92. Do you think they were doing it because they felt they wanted to get their bag limit on rioters?

Or, were they doing it because the cops weren’t going to be able to do anything?

No one wants a replay of that, but if this ‘Deescalation’ is just Progressive Pander Politics, you better get ready, because it CAN happen.

BlaxPac on August 14, 2014 at 1:47 PM

Indeed it can…

…coming this Sunday to downtown L.A.:

#HANDSUP! JUSTICE FOR EZELL FORD AND SOLIDARITY WITH FERGUSON

de rigueur on August 14, 2014 at 2:10 PM

the reporters didn’t mention anything about being ask to leave by any employees.

And that is a rather important tibit, is it not? It doesn’t support them one way or the other, and in cases where loss of life and/or injury COULD happen, usually the orders of the PD will supersede those of the 3rd shift Manager.

I say ‘usually’ in italics, because of course there are always exceptions, but more often than not, this would be the case.

and since the cops refuse to comment or provide any reports i guess we’re left to speculate.

dbilly76 on August 14, 2014 at 2:01 PM

Lets concentrate on the bold there…refusal to discuss an investigation that’s ongoing, especially in a homicide/death SHOULD never be discussed until all the facts have been collated by the investigator(s).

No sane cop would do so, and any higher ranking officer worth his pension would NEVER so either. Once it’s out in the public domain, you can’t take it back without some suspicion by some party involved.

That’s why the police aren’t always on asking for the public help/input after EVERY murder case…it’s ALWAYS the option of last resort. THEN you do so, but you play your cards and information out piecemeal…otherwise if it ever goes to court, its LESS likely you will get an conviction.

BlaxPac on August 14, 2014 at 2:12 PM

BlaxPac on August 14, 2014 at 2:12 PM

i wasn’t talking about refusing to discuss the shooting, i was refering to their refusal to provide the reporters with any documentation or and names of the officers involved in their detainment. the reporters asked for both and were turned away. and no, the desires of a cop don’t trump the property owner.

dbilly76 on August 14, 2014 at 2:17 PM

Same to you, Raquel!

The agitators and anti-police cheerleaders will get their wish on that…If the Gov is serious, he’s going to pull out the local PD…but like stated before, his other choice is going to be either send in PD from outlying jurisdictions augmented by State Police, or deploy NG troops.

The WORSE thing he can do would just be dumping it all into the Feds lap unless he has some prior knowledge that we don’t…and if so, why wait until something like this jumped off BEFORE asking for Federal help?

The second worse thing he could do is pull a David Dinkins (not to blame JUST him, but he’s a fresh reminder in my head) and tell the police NOT to react to *any* other looting/ criminal activity in that area…in effect, turning the whole area into a free-fire zone for criminal activity, and making anyone that’s not involved into a instant victim.

Again, I remind people, think back to the video of Korean merchants and others in a firefight to protect their business in LA back in ’92. Do you think they were doing it because they felt they wanted to get their bag limit on rioters?

Or, were they doing it because the cops weren’t going to be able to do anything?

No one wants a replay of that, but if this ‘Deescalation’ is just Progressive Pander Politics, you better get ready, because it CAN happen.

BlaxPac on August 14, 2014 at 1:47 PM

When you mix heavy firepower and military style tactics the result will be a war zone. I was too young to remember much, but Waco could be the result when you bring in heavily armed federal agents. They will escalate the situation even more. The left doesn’t give a sh.it, about the bloodshed, they only care about what makes for the most sensational storyline to which they can hammer the RIGHT with. And people like Ed, are contributing to it by promoting that bogus reporters arrested story at the McDonalds.

Until civil order is restored this can only get worse.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 14, 2014 at 2:19 PM

yes, i did ask but they refused to answer. now i believe it was a different location that is likely closed now. i don’t know if it was open yesterday. apologies.

dbilly76 on August 14, 2014 at 2:09 PM

No worries, Billy…that’s the downside to the current culture that watches a lot of TV (not pointing finger at you)…everyone expects every case can be solved in a short period of time…not true at all.

Sometimes a small number of them will NEVER be solved…some CAN be done in hours or days…there’s no way to tell until you pick it up and run with it.

This one, it’s going to be MONTHS (at least 2) before we get a clearer outline of what possibly happened. Even then the full story may never come to light.

BlaxPac on August 14, 2014 at 2:20 PM

how do you know the reporters didn’t buy anything and were loitering? i’m sure they would have been willing to buy something from the dollar menu, if asked.

dbilly76 on August 14, 2014 at 1:53 PM

That’s not how it works. By the reporters own story he admits he went in there to use the free wifi and set up his shot. From a local story I linked in a previous thread the manager had asked them to leave. Because his property was becoming a de-facto news reporter command center and it was disturbing his patrons.

If you or me walk into a McDonalds or 7-11 and we just loiter, we ARE GOING TO BE ASKED TO LEAVE! If we are asked to leave we can’t then say hey “give me something off your dollar menu,” at that point it’s already too late.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 14, 2014 at 2:23 PM

i wasn’t talking about refusing to discuss the shooting, i was refering to their refusal to provide the reporters with any documentation or and names of the officers involved in their detainment. the reporters asked for both and were turned away. and no, the desires of a cop don’t trump the property owner.

dbilly76 on August 14, 2014 at 2:17 PM

I have members of my family who work in LE. That’s not how it works. You can’t be pulled over, or detained and then start demanding to speak to the shift supervisor or watch commander, or ask to be provided all their names and badges. This isn’t a department store.

The police don’t have to provide you any information until you go to Court, then you will have access to the reports and “discovery.”

What you are suggesting is preposterous.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 14, 2014 at 2:27 PM

Did you watch the video of the police firing teargas at reporters and then taking down their equipment?

Either you did or you didn’t. Trayvon is irrelevant.

Good Lt on August 14, 2014 at 1:34 PM

Yes, I did. Boo hoo. They were told to leave. They didn’t. Would you rather the cops handcough them? Shoot them? It’s someone’s private property and likely the peopel who owned the property didn’t want them on said property.

DethMetalCookieMonst on August 14, 2014 at 2:29 PM

Yes, I did. Boo hoo. They were told to leave. They didn’t. Would you rather the cops handcough them? Shoot them? It’s someone’s private property and likely the peopel who owned the property didn’t want them on said property.

DethMetalCookieMonst on August 14, 2014 at 2:29 PM

Hooray for excessive unnecessary force and censorship!

LONG LIVE THE HYPERMILITARIZED, CONSTITUTION-FREE POLICE STATE, right?

Good Lt on August 14, 2014 at 2:31 PM

the reporters didn’t mention anything about being ask to leave by any employees. and since the cops refuse to comment or provide any reports i guess we’re left to speculate.

dbilly76 on August 14, 2014 at 2:01 PM

It was covered in a local news story that the manager clearly asked them to leave, as it was distressing his patrons.

He got sick of all the reporters coming in there to use his private property as a command post. He called the police to have them escorted out.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 14, 2014 at 2:31 PM

Hooray for excessive unnecessary force and censorship!

LONG LIVE THE HYPERMILITARIZED, CONSTITUTION-FREE POLICE STATE, right?

Good Lt on August 14, 2014 at 2:31 PM

Are you suggesting that YOU HAVE THE RIGHT to loiter on someone’s PRIVATE property under the constitution? It must be covered in the good and wellness clause I keep hearing the Dems bring up.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 14, 2014 at 2:33 PM

Wait a minute…the manager of the McD called the police to escort the media out of the store..?

d1carter on August 14, 2014 at 2:34 PM

When you treat people like they are in the West Bank they start acting like they are in the West Bank. Molotov, rocks. All that is missing are chants that say down with the occupation.

Bringing normal looking cops with normal riot gears, will go a long way to change the psychology of the actors in this event taking place. The military outfits does nothing but make the cops more aggressive. Psychology 101.

coolrepublica on August 14, 2014 at 12:49 PM

You moron. They were “acting like they are in the West Bank”, like looting and rioting, before the police pulled out their military equipment.

Do you think a rioting mob will notice a difference between “military outfits” and “normal riot gears”?

slickwillie2001 on August 14, 2014 at 2:36 PM

Hmm, looks like my other post got the lost in the Internet Wormhole…dang!

BlaxPac on August 14, 2014 at 2:38 PM

Hooray for excessive unnecessary force and censorship!

LONG LIVE THE HYPERMILITARIZED, CONSTITUTION-FREE POLICE STATE, right?

Good Lt on August 14, 2014 at 2:31 PM

So you are okay with the press going on your property even if you don’t want them there? Gotcha.

Oh, and there wouldn’t be “militarized” police there if there weren’t riots in the first place.

Maybe I should litter everything I say with “could be”s, “possibly”s, “a chance that”s and other such phrases. Then maybe you’ll agree with what I’m saying.

DethMetalCookieMonst on August 14, 2014 at 2:39 PM

Wait a minute…the manager of the McD called the police to escort the media out of the store..?

d1carter on August 14, 2014 at 2:34 PM

Rush alluded to it on his show as well, speaking to a property owner in the area, and it was covered in the local news. The property manager/owner was worried his store was becoming a de-facto news reporter hub, and it was attracting negative attention either to his patrons or his property. He asked them to leave and had the police tell them they were not welcome to use the property anymore. Then they decided they wanted to get smart and that’s how they ended up arrested.

In the video the officer asks him to leave 6 or so times. How many more times was he supposed to ask?

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 14, 2014 at 2:42 PM

Under cover of these disturbances and militarization of the police, King Putt will be returning to DC for a couple of days to implement amnesty. Just wait for the announcements after he returns to the Vineyard.

Kissmygrits on August 14, 2014 at 2:44 PM

We’ll see who deescalates who tonight.

Viator on August 14, 2014 at 2:45 PM

The agitators and anti-police cheerleaders will get their wish on that…If the Gov is serious, he’s going to pull out the local PD…but like stated before, his other choice is going to be either send in PD from outlying jurisdictions augmented by State Police, or deploy NG troops. BlaxPac on August 14, 2014 at 1:47 PM

Not even close — the Ferguson and St. Louis county PDs have completely f’d the pooch on this one. It’s as if they have succeeded in failing to make even a single correct decision.

When you have these types of accidents, it has ALMOST always been the course of action for the chain of command to assemble the faith leaders, politicians, grief experts, themselves and families into the whole ‘warm-drinks’ night-long memorials, vigils and the whole shebang. I’ve seen in done in every other type of incident in Chicago, Milwaukee, Minneapolis, etc. People are angry, but it passes. HECK no, not in Ferguson.

In Ferguson the PDs responded with police dogs, trying to hush it up and demanding grieving/angry people go home. When that obviously didn’t work, hacked everyone off and resulted in the rioting; they brought out the tear gas, batons and military vehicles. Now it’s escalated to the point of news reporters being tear-gassed and arrested, which is a big no-no; and all of the pictures coming out of the neighborhood looking like Afghanistan. To top it all off — I have yet to see anyone of any responsibility in those PDs make ANY sort of statement that even comes close to admitting wrongdoing.

I will be very surprised if this only ends with the PD leadership being relieved of their roles; and doesn’t lead to charges being pressed against certain individuals within each of the organizations.

ZachV on August 14, 2014 at 2:45 PM

Just in case I may have caused Ed to pull his hair out over my actions…I want to apologize for any Double Post that may occur on the thread in the next few minutes.

But, please, could you print at least one of them? Took me a while to type, and i can only do 40wpm…with 4 fingers…badly….LOL

BlaxPac on August 14, 2014 at 2:47 PM

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 14, 2014 at 2:42 PM

Then how does this square with the following from Ed..?

Some have suggested that these journalists didn’t respond to police orders to disperse, and were therefore subject to detention and counter-riot tactics. However, that’s only a legitimate argument when an emergency decree is in effect that explicitly authorizes police to act in such a manner. I’m unaware of any such declaration by Nixon, and if one does not exist, the police don’t have the authority to impose it themselves.

d1carter on August 14, 2014 at 2:47 PM

The general thuggery of the police is the imminent lawlessness here, not the protests.

Nessuno on August 14, 2014 at 12:55 PM
Rioting by uncivilized inner city thugs is bad.

Terroristic threats and acts of unnecessary violence by armed government employees is worse.

ConstantineXI on August 14, 2014 at 12:59 PM

Terroristic threats and unnecessary violence? What the he1! are we talking about here? A couple of reporters got arrested. Not the smartest move by the cops…but what are we really ganging up on them for here? Wearing too much protective gear that looks “militaristic”? The cops had lawless mobs heaving rocks and molotov cocktails at them. Mobs robbing stores and destroying property. These guys are putting their lives on the line to try to keep the few people that aren’t rioting in Ferguson safe. That tends to put one on edge, no?

There are jerk cops, just like in any other profession. Certainly there are those that let their positions of power go to their heads (I even ran into some during my youth). But these cops right now are dealing with a very serious situation, and are in a position of great danger. Forgive them for being a little pissy with folks who arebying molotov cocktails at them.

So, if not the SLCPD, then who is going to handle this situation? Are we going to expect the MO Highway Patrol to come in and risk their lives by acting like a bunch of Barney Fife clones? Or, perhaps Eric Holder will come down and solve the problem for his “people” by declaring it a police free zone and declare open season on the few local businesses which haven’t already been looted or burned to the ground.

billboy89 on August 14, 2014 at 2:49 PM

Rush alluded to it on his show as well, speaking to a property owner in the area, and it was covered in the local news. The property manager/owner was worried his store was becoming a de-facto news reporter hub, and it was attracting negative attention either to his patrons or his property. He asked them to leave and had the police tell them they were not welcome to use the property anymore. Then they decided they wanted to get smart and that’s how they ended up arrested.

In the video the officer asks him to leave 6 or so times. How many more times was he supposed to ask?

See how it goes with the lefty lamestream media? The whole narrative they have so carefully and craftily constructed and spread far and wide is a lie.

Viator on August 14, 2014 at 2:49 PM

Not even close — the Ferguson and St. Louis county PDs have completely f’d the pooch on this one. It’s as if they have succeeded in failing to make even a single correct decision.

When you have these types of accidents, it has ALMOST always been the course of action for the chain of command to assemble the faith leaders, politicians, grief experts, themselves and families into the whole ‘warm-drinks’ night-long memorials, vigils and the whole shebang. I’ve seen in done in every other type of incident in Chicago, Milwaukee, Minneapolis, etc. People are angry, but it passes. HECK no, not in Ferguson.

In Ferguson the PDs responded with police dogs, trying to hush it up and demanding grieving/angry people go home. When that obviously didn’t work, hacked everyone off and resulted in the rioting; they brought out the tear gas, batons and military vehicles. Now it’s escalated to the point of news reporters being tear-gassed and arrested, which is a big no-no; and all of the pictures coming out of the neighborhood looking like Afghanistan. To top it all off — I have yet to see anyone of any responsibility in those PDs make ANY sort of statement that even comes close to admitting wrongdoing.

I will be very surprised if this only ends with the PD leadership being relieved of their roles; and doesn’t lead to charges being pressed against certain individuals within each of the organizations.

ZachV on August 14, 2014 at 2:45 PM

Those angry grieving people WERE RIOTING. They needed to restore order. They couldn’t bring in faith leaders or anybody until it was SAFE. As you saw even Al Sharpton was threatened and heckled.

I usually don’t side with police on excessive force cases, but this is blown way out of proportion. If the police had taken a more passive approach and more bloodshed ensued like in the LA Riots, then it would have been even worse for them.

I am not defending all the police actions, but the rioting created a state of emergency, and anxiety.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 14, 2014 at 2:51 PM

Nixon to relieve St. Louis County PD in Ferguson

Nixon?

Mojo Nixon?

This Mojo Nixon?

Yeah … that probably ain’t gonna go well.

M240H on August 14, 2014 at 2:51 PM

Is this going to be a furlough with or without pay for police? ‘Cause, you know, not everyone there is guilty… and no investigation has proven any wrongdoing… plus people gotta eat and pay rent and stuff… so, can’t paint with such a broad brush, correct, Lefties?

ExpressoBold on August 14, 2014 at 2:52 PM

pretty bad post for HA. Too bad. I guess if you get too far away from the HuffPo, MoJo axis you start getting nervous.

Molotov cocktails is bad business…Would you use tear gas to disperse such a crowd

I know there was a scary big black vehicle in the pix…wow, just like Iraq. And so Ed, how was this used?

How many agitators did the victimize police kill. OK, one was shot becasuse he was aiming a gun at the police…so are you one of those that want to Kill the Pigs?

It is unbelievable that the two journos who were detained is The Story. These poor victims where asked politely to leave…watch the Vid. They seem to have thrown a hissy fit…they are special snowflakes after all. But they were in the middle of a riot zone. Watch the Vid, the cop seems Nervous. If a nervous cop askes me to leave a war zone…I leave…I’m not one angling for PR

I guess the woman who was sh’ot in the head by roving bands of these ‘protestors’ is doing ok…you don’t see that reported

That’s the problem Ed…if you watch the TV, or post dispatch, you’ll only see have the story…the story that the provocateurs want you to see

r keller on August 14, 2014 at 2:56 PM

ZachV on August 14, 2014 at 2:45 PM

Sure, Zach that may be true…Hell, Ferguson might be the epicenter and the vestibule to the 7th Circle of Hades for all I know…I don’t live there and don’t have a “vibe” for the area.

That being said, some things are the same all over- I don’t think anyone is faulting those that wanted to peacully protest and they should have..be it candlelight vigil, or what have you.

BUT, at some point when the stores were being Midnight Shopped or Midnight BBQ’ed, someone is going to have to step in and say “enough”….and to be frank, if they did nothing at all and it spread to the outlying areas…?

It’s insane to try to play catch up in a sporting even…doubly so in incidents like this. If you err on the side of trying to prevent a GREATER loss of life, even if in doing so the worse you can say that what? Some people were scared of PD dressed in hardened body armor? Tear gas was used.

I’m looking at reports now, but I don’t recall seeing any reports of additional deaths (thankfully) occurring…no MASS amounts of arrested citizens being sent to detention centers, etc.

Even the reporters, if preliminary reports are accurate were released in a somewhat timely manner, which is unusual in of itself.

Does it mean that the actions of the PD was totally without fault or question? Of course not, but I won’t jump on the “Get rid of them all” bandwagon until more information is available…anything less is going to be to try to shape and flake the situation to fit a particular viewpoint…

The truth will stand on its on, regardless on how ANYONE feels about it.

BlaxPac on August 14, 2014 at 2:59 PM

A similar situation happened to me, I was visiting a relative at a skilled nursing facility, and I noticed one of the nurses bring my relative the wrong meds. I told her they were the wrong meds, and I told her to check, she said the doctor would have to send another order, I got angry told her she was incompetent (I didn’t curse or anything). She called the sheriff’s office! They showed up said I was being trespassed from the property, I didn’t argue with the deputies, I didn’t try to film them, I didn’t try to ask them WHY? I didn’t try and play the race card! I peacefully left the property.

The next day, I spoke to the superintendent of the facility and he personally apologized to me, and the nurse was suspended. I was also invited back.

See how easily that was handled?

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 14, 2014 at 2:59 PM

Wearing too much protective gear that looks “militaristic”?

Yep. They basically used the the leftist arguement regarding “assualt weapons”.

DethMetalCookieMonst on August 14, 2014 at 3:03 PM

Those angry grieving people WERE RIOTING. They needed to restore order. They couldn’t bring in faith leaders or anybody until it was SAFE. As you saw even Al Sharpton was threatened and heckled.

I usually don’t side with police on excessive force cases, but this is blown way out of proportion. If the police had taken a more passive approach and more bloodshed ensued like in the LA Riots, then it would have been even worse for them.

I am not defending all the police actions, but the rioting created a state of emergency, and anxiety.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 14, 2014 at 2:51 PM

Then you’ve completely missed the reporting as it happened: the rioting and violence started Sunday night.

The community was holding vigils and rallies all through Saturday and Sunday morning. There was no violence at all during that time, regardless the PD responded exactly how I stated it: with police dogs, trying to hush it up and demanding grieving/angry people go home.

The rioting broke out Sunday night after all of this. It was almost directly a result of the confrontation with the police.

ZachV on August 14, 2014 at 3:06 PM

A similar situation happened to me, I was visiting a relative at a skilled nursing facility, and I noticed one of the nurses bring my relative the wrong meds. I told her they were the wrong meds, and I told her to check, she said the doctor would have to send another order, I got angry told her she was incompetent (I didn’t curse or anything). She called the sheriff’s office! They showed up said I was being trespassed from the property, I didn’t argue with the deputies, I didn’t try to film them, I didn’t try to ask them WHY? I didn’t try and play the race card! I peacefully left the property.

The next day, I spoke to the superintendent of the facility and he personally apologized to me, and the nurse was suspended. I was also invited back.

See how easily that was handled?

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 14, 2014 at 2:59 PM

You are fortunate that the meds the nurse was bringing did not kill your relative. I would not have left until it was understood that the wrong meds were not to be given to my relative.

Joel_The_Oneth on August 14, 2014 at 3:08 PM

Wait a minute…the manager of the McD called the police to escort the media out of the store..?

d1carter on August 14, 2014 at 2:34 PM

Not from anything I have heard, read or seen.

Here is an interview with one of the managers that was there at the scene – and he says NOTHING like that!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/14/ferguson-mcdonalds-arrest_n_5677161.html

“It’s just a terrible thing what happened,” said Eyer, who has worked for the company for 34 years. “It’s a bad thing. It’s just not good.”

Gebeaux on August 14, 2014 at 3:14 PM

The police dogs were in action the first day, but now where are the fire hoses police need them. These black lovers saying they are journalists are not respecting authority of the white militiamen needed to keep the white upper hand over black men.

The media video is what reveals there are no rioting black males in sight unless standing in the street is a riot in Missouri. Therefore video media is the enemy of the official narrative.

Standing inside a Mcdonalds is suddenly illegal because the Wi-Fi hookup and electrical charging there are used by video makers.

The only rioters seen were the para-military attackers using flash bangs and tear gas all over the neighborhoods as the cleared the streets. Even the 82nd Airborne patrols in hostile Iraq used friendlier tactics than that.

jimw on August 14, 2014 at 3:16 PM

He got sick of all the reporters coming in there to use his private property as a command post. He called the police to have them escorted out.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 14, 2014 at 2:31 PM

Even if that were true (where’s the police report?) I would say that police probably had other a wee bit of another matter down the street they should gave been handling instead. What’s the next excuse – they have to call in a SWAT team to stop a jaywalker?

whatcat on August 14, 2014 at 3:17 PM

It was covered in a local news story that the manager clearly asked them to leave, as it was distressing his patrons.

He got sick of all the reporters coming in there to use his private property as a command post. He called the police to have them escorted out.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 14, 2014 at 2:31 PM

The story you linked to had NOTHING on the McDonald’s incident.

Gebeaux on August 14, 2014 at 3:17 PM

The police in Ferguson appear to have behaved last night much more like an occupying army rather than a law-enforcement agency as well as looking the part, and that should be very disturbing to anyone who believes in limited government.

Ya think? And since when does a rino like you believe in limited government, Ed?

The cops are plainly and clearly thugs. They should be arrested and prosecuted. Following orders is no excuse. The Ferguson police department is obviously a den of thugs as proven by the fact that they would not provide badge numbers or an arrest report to the reporters they illegally arrested. They should be charged with kidnapping and violating the reporters constitutional and human rights. Prison time for all of them.

earlgrey on August 14, 2014 at 3:18 PM

The timeline of events in Ferguson.

M240H on August 14, 2014 at 3:18 PM

I was still in the Army when black rioting erupted in Detroit. There is STILL black rioting. The black neighborhoods (virtually everywhere) are STILL, by far, the most dangerous. All the liberal Democrats in the world with their Affirmative Action, welfare, food stamps, disparate impact and token black president (wind it up and it plays golf) can’t put Humpty Dumpty back together again. The police are, in a sense, janitors being asked to clean up a mess made by others. Maybe the janitors aren’t good cleaners but they didn’t create the mess. Remember that.

MaiDee on August 14, 2014 at 1:54 PM

So that minority outreach thing…how’s that going?

Tlaloc on August 14, 2014 at 3:19 PM

I have members of my family who work in LE. That’s not how it works. You can’t be pulled over, or detained and then start demanding to speak to the shift supervisor or watch commander, or ask to be provided all their names and badges. This isn’t a department store.

The police don’t have to provide you any information until you go to Court, then you will have access to the reports and “discovery.”

What you are suggesting is preposterous.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 14, 2014 at 2:27 PM

i don’t care how many family members you have in LE. so if i’m arrested or detained and never charged, i never have the right to ask for the reasons behind the detention? and i know if you ask an officer to identify themself, they must comply.

dbilly76 on August 14, 2014 at 3:23 PM

or ask to be provided all their names and badges. This isn’t a department store.
Raquel Pinkbullet on August 14, 2014 at 2:27 PM

A police officer who refuses to give his badge number (although it should be displayed) probably knows he is doing something wrong. Such need to learn good policing skills, e.g.

whatcat on August 14, 2014 at 3:25 PM

Where did all these lib posters come from? Was there an open enrollment for Hot Air over on Huffn’Puff?

claudius on August 14, 2014 at 3:26 PM

Gebeaux on August 14, 2014 at 3:17 PM

Take a look at the link I left above…still not definitive, but police say that McD called them for assistance…

d1carter on August 14, 2014 at 3:30 PM

Here’s a link to local TV report where the police say that McD called them for assistance because of rioting near the store…
d1carter on August 14, 2014 at 3:29 PM

Ah – so the reporters were rioting is the new story? Must have been some sight.

whatcat on August 14, 2014 at 3:36 PM

It was covered in a local news story that the manager clearly asked them to leave, as it was distressing his patrons.

He got sick of all the reporters coming in there to use his private property as a command post. He called the police to have them escorted out.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 14, 2014 at 2:31 PM
The story you linked to had NOTHING on the McDonald’s incident.

Gebeaux on August 14, 2014 at 3:17 PM

Sorry

It was in a news report on the feed too, and I know a caller on Rush’s show also alluded to it.

Either way they were loitering on the property they didn’t buy anything, as the witnesses said.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 14, 2014 at 3:42 PM

Fine pull the police out, and maybe the riot will spread to the greater St. Louis area.

claudius on August 14, 2014 at 3:42 PM

Ah – so the reporters were rioting is the new story? Must have been some sight.

whatcat on August 14, 2014 at 3:36 PM

No the reporter’s were loitering on private property.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 14, 2014 at 3:42 PM

Take a look at the link I left above…still not definitive, but police say that McD called them for assistance…

d1carter on August 14, 2014 at 3:30 PM

Read your link – it says NOTHING ABOUT the Manager calling police about the reporters!! NOTHING.

They allegedly called about rioting outside and nearby! How were the reporters IN THE STORE – rioting OUTSIDE?

“According to police, McDonald’s requested assistance because of the violent protests taken place close to the property.”

Gebeaux on August 14, 2014 at 3:43 PM

That report from local TV was dated 8/13/14 time stamped 9:11pm…..

d1carter on August 14, 2014 at 3:43 PM

A police officer who refuses to give his badge number (although it should be displayed) probably knows he is doing something wrong. Such need to learn good policing skills, e.g.

whatcat on August 14, 2014 at 3:25 PM

In an emergency situation, the police don’t have time to coddle suspects.

The police/probable cause report will be available in short order.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 14, 2014 at 3:44 PM

No the reporter’s were loitering on private property.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 14, 2014 at 3:42 PM

Odd how the REAL McDonald’s Manager says NOTHING about that claim!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/14/ferguson-mcdonalds-arrest_n_5677161.html

You wanna change your story again???

Gebeaux on August 14, 2014 at 3:45 PM

Gebeaux on August 14, 2014 at 3:43 PM

Yes, I read it…

d1carter on August 14, 2014 at 3:45 PM

Read your link – it says NOTHING ABOUT the Manager calling police about the reporters!! NOTHING.

They allegedly called about rioting outside and nearby! How were the reporters IN THE STORE – rioting OUTSIDE?

“According to police, McDonald’s requested assistance because of the violent protests taken place close to the property.”

Gebeaux on August 14, 2014 at 3:43 PM

The manager/owner said in a news report which was also picked up by Rush, that the reporters were loitering and wanted them to leave.

By the reporters’ own admission they were loitering, on private property.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 14, 2014 at 3:45 PM

Odd how the REAL McDonald’s Manager says NOTHING about that claim!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/14/ferguson-mcdonalds-arrest_n_5677161.html

You wanna change your story again???

Gebeaux on August 14, 2014 at 3:45 PM

I said manager or owner. It was one of the two. The police didn’t just go in to the McDonalds and start rounding up random people. By the reporter’s own admission they were loitering.

It was on a freaking news report too.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 14, 2014 at 3:47 PM

i don’t care how many family members you have in LE. so if i’m arrested or detained and never charged, i never have the right to ask for the reasons behind the detention? and i know if you ask an officer to identify themself, they must comply.

dbilly76 on August 14, 2014 at 3:23 PM

That’s NOT what I said. I said if you are charged when you go to Court. In this case, since no charges were filed the report/probable cause affidavit will be available as a public record.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 14, 2014 at 3:50 PM

I’d like to see more reporting from independent sources not involved in the McD incident…Huffington Post is too involved with their own reporter.

d1carter on August 14, 2014 at 3:51 PM

We no longer have “police” in America, since 2001 we have replaced the police with a Gendarmerie and they like it that way. No consequences and no challenges to their power. They claim immunity where none exist and the courts provide them with cover. Why would they want to go back to a position where they would have to be responsible to their employers??

E9RET on August 14, 2014 at 3:55 PM

Odd how the REAL McDonald’s Manager says NOTHING about that claim!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/14/ferguson-mcdonalds-arrest_n_5677161.html

You wanna change your story again???

Gebeaux on August 14, 2014 at 3:45 PM

It was one of their “reporters’” arrested, so I would take anything they say with a big grain of salt.

I know it was on the news report that the reporter’s were using the place as a defacto command post, and not only them but others, and the MANAGER Or OWNER wanted them to leave, whether it was as a result of the disturbance outside and them attracting attention, or because they were just loitering and disturbing the patrons.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 14, 2014 at 3:56 PM

I’m going to design and patent ‘Looter Motels’.

It’s a false-front put up to mask the actual face of a street-level business.
It will look like a normal door and window arrangement, but once the door gets pried open by a looter they stick to glue on the floor. That floor is on a conveyor belt which takes them to a holding area out of view.

A week later, a company comes to retrieve the Looter Motel.
Should be a simple matter to incinerate the contents, then it’s ready to go again.

Tard on August 14, 2014 at 3:56 PM

In an emergency situation, the police don’t have time to coddle suspects.

Even Michelle Obama hasn’t declared eating at Mickey D’s an “emergency situation” that requires a SWAT team. But I agree – I mean, it’s not as there was a riot down the street that the police should’ve have been tending to instead.

The police/probable cause report will be available in short order.
Raquel Pinkbullet on August 14, 2014 at 3:44 PM

It’s scheduled to be released in tandem with the release of Obama’s college transcripts.

The fact is they know they had carnal knowledge with the pooch on this and are trying to limit not just the awful PR, but also their legal liability. And, in the end, the bill for bad policing is always sent to the taxpayers.

whatcat on August 14, 2014 at 3:57 PM

In an emergency situation, the police don’t have time to coddle suspects.
Even Michelle Obama hasn’t declared eating at Mickey D’s an “emergency situation” that requires a SWAT team. But I agree – I mean, it’s not as there was a riot down the street that the police should’ve have been tending to instead.

The police/probable cause report will be available in short order.
Raquel Pinkbullet on August 14, 2014 at 3:44 PM
It’s scheduled to be released in tandem with the release of Obama’s college transcripts.

The fact is they know they had carnal knowledge with the pooch on this and are trying to limit not just the awful PR, but also their legal liability. And, in the end, the bill for bad policing is always sent to the taxpayers.

whatcat on August 14, 2014 at 3:57 PM

This could have been resolved so easy, if the reporters just LEFT, when asked. And went along their way.

I’m not defending the police actions overall, I am just saying this situation with the McD reporters is being milked for PR by these reporters/leftist activists.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 14, 2014 at 4:05 PM

That’s NOT what I said. I said if you are charged when you go to Court. In this case, since no charges were filed the report/probable cause affidavit will be available as a public record.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 14, 2014 at 3:50 PM

really?

You can’t be pulled over, or detained and then start demanding to speak to the shift supervisor or watch commander, or ask to be provided all their names and badges.
Raquel Pinkbullet on August 14, 2014 at 2:27 PM

The police don’t have to provide you any information until you go to Court,
Raquel Pinkbullet on August 14, 2014 at 2:27 PM

thanks for explaining “how it works.”

dbilly76 on August 14, 2014 at 4:09 PM

Wheels of Justice are now in motion

The FBI will oversee all operations, protests and other activities in Ferguson.

Local police agencies, including St. Louis County police will now operate under the direction of the FBI.

We’ve also learned the department of justice will send special prosecutors to Ferguson to help with the investigation.

FERGUSON, Mo. – NewsChannel 5 has learned the FBI will now take over a large part of the investigation into the shooting death of 18-year-old Michael Brown.

The FBI will oversee all operations, protests and other activities in Ferguson.

Local police agencies, including St. Louis County police will now operate under the direction of the FBI.

We’ve also learned the department of justice will send special prosecutors to Ferguson to help with the investigation.

(CNN) — U.S. Justice Department officials have offered to assist local authorities in Ferguson, Missouri, to help them control crowds “without relying on unnecessarily extreme displays of force,” Attorney General Eric Holder said in a statement Thursday. “The local authorities in Missouri have accepted this offer of assistance as of this afternoon,” he said.

U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder says he’s “deeply concerned” about the law enforcement response to demonstrations in Ferguson, Missouri. “The law enforcement response to these demonstrations must seek to reduce tensions, not heighten them. Those who peacefully gather to express sympathy for the family of Michael Brown must have their rights respected at all times. And journalists must not be harassed or prevented from covering a story that needs to be told,” Holder said in a statement Thursday. “At a time when we must seek to rebuild trust between law enforcement and the local community, I am deeply concerned that the deployment of military equipment and vehicles sends a conflicting message.”

Ned Pepper on August 14, 2014 at 4:09 PM

Even Michelle Obama hasn’t declared eating at Mickey D’s an “emergency situation” that requires a SWAT team. But I agree – I mean, it’s not as there was a riot down the street that the police should’ve have been tending to instead.

It’s scheduled to be released in tandem with the release of Obama’s college transcripts.

The fact is they know they had carnal knowledge with the pooch on this and are trying to limit not just the awful PR, but also their legal liability. And, in the end, the bill for bad policing is always sent to the taxpayers.

whatcat on August 14, 2014 at 3:57 PM

Oh, you mean the riot that was on it’s way to that McDonald’s and is only 0.2 miles (or a 5 minute walk) from the Quick Trip that was burnt down and is now the base of the riots? Again, if you don’t know the facts, shut up.

MobileVideoEngineer on August 14, 2014 at 4:10 PM

I’ve seen in done in every other type of incident in Chicago

Gosh, do they do that everytime some poor minority is shot…or just those in their teens…in either case there must be one continuous group hug going on in those cities…pandering.

ironmarshal on August 14, 2014 at 4:12 PM

By the reporter’s own admission they were loitering.

It was on a freaking news report too.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 14, 2014 at 3:47 PM

cite your source…

dbilly76 on August 14, 2014 at 4:14 PM

Oh, you mean the riot that was on it’s way to that McDonald’s and is only 0.2 miles (or a 5 minute walk) from the Quick Trip that was burnt down and is now the base of the riots? Again, if you don’t know the facts, shut up.
MobileVideoEngineer on August 14, 2014 at 4:10 PM

I’m agreeing with you. The only way to stop a riot down the street is to run into a McD’s and arrest any press you see. Makes sense!
I’m glad we got that cleared up.

whatcat on August 14, 2014 at 4:15 PM

Cops shouldn’t militarized and be authoritarian when their city is burning? Interesting. The things you learn on the internet.

Buddahpundit on August 14, 2014 at 4:16 PM

Look at the video.

The cop asks the “journalist” to pack up and go at least a dozen times before beginning to escort him out. The guy was clearly not complying – he keeps saying “I’m working” but since he isn’t on the video we don’t know if that means he was packing up or finishing his story on a laptop or eating his Big Mac.

Reporters are required to comply with police orders like any other citizen. They are NOT special little snowflakes.

Adjoran on August 14, 2014 at 5:29 PM

I remember rioting in Cincinnati several years ago over some perceived injustice. The rioters informed the policed that they hated them and didn’t want them in their neighborhood. The police obliged and didn’t respond to calls in a fast manner. After several months the citizens begged the police to come back to their neighborhood.

alanstern on August 14, 2014 at 5:50 PM

Reporters are required to comply with police orders like any other citizen. They are NOT special little snowflakes.

Adjoran on August 14, 2014 at 5:29 PM

they are the only profession whose freedom is guaranteed in the constitution. so, yes, they are special.

dbilly76 on August 14, 2014 at 6:12 PM

“Holder dispatches team that ‘inflamed’ Trayvon case
Justice Department intervening in racially charged Ferguson shooting”

http://www.wnd.com/2014/08/holder-dispatches-team-that-inflamed-trayvon-case/#lQrphP3y4mfHGuET.99

Viator on August 14, 2014 at 6:31 PM

The people of this country have a God-given right to protest the government for the redress of grievances. That goes right up to the point where they start looting or destroying other people stuff. Then they get what they deserve. Amazing how they had all those large tea party protest but nobody flipped any cop cars, looted any stores or took a dump on the street.

I do believe though that the police in this case handle the case very poorly. The question comes with weather violence caused the police respone or the police response caused the violence. (Chicken versus egg). Either way, I have little tolerance for violence and looting. If you were a store owner, how would you feel if the police just sat by and watched people smash your windows and take your stuff?

This is why I think we should explore police having cameras on their hats at all times. I have heard they have done this in other countries with positive results. I believe everyone, police and citizens, would act a little more responsibly during their interactions with the eachother if this were the case.

The major problems I see with militarization of police are the following:
1. People don’t respect the police.
2. Police are never held accountable for their bad actions.
3. Add heavily armed local yokel swat teams to the mix = bad outcomes
4. Repeat

BadBrad on August 14, 2014 at 6:37 PM

Cops shouldn’t (be) militarized and be authoritarian when their city is burning? Interesting. The things you learn on the internet.

Buddahpundit on August 14, 2014 at 4:16 PM

.
No, they shouldn’t be “militarized”, but then I must also add that I don’t believe standard riot-gear (helmets, shields, and batons/clubs) constitutes “militarization”.
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Define “authoritarian”.

listens2glenn on August 14, 2014 at 8:15 PM

The two, who work for The Washington Post and The Huffington Post, were released without any charges. Both say they were assaulted but not seriously hurt.

Hmm. They were comparing notes and collaborating on an article. Wondered why those two media outlets have such a coordinated political outlook.

unclesmrgol on August 15, 2014 at 12:55 AM

Amazing how they had all those large tea party protest but nobody flipped any cop cars, looted any stores or took a dump on the street.

Actually, the guy defecated ON a police car, not on the street.

unclesmrgol on August 15, 2014 at 12:56 AM

Reporters are required to comply with police orders like any other citizen. They are NOT special little snowflakes.

Adjoran on August 14, 2014 at 5:29 PM

they are the only profession whose freedom is guaranteed in the constitution. so, yes, they are special.

dbilly76 on August 14, 2014 at 6:12 PM

First – complying with police orders. The police do not have some special authority to have every utterance they make obeyed by free citizens. Yes, in certain situations the police have authority to issue orders. but these are limited to particular circumstances and the orders must still be lawful. I’d like to hear from McDonald’s whether McDonald’s informed the police that the reporters were trespassing and asked the police to remove them. If not, the police had not authority to make that determination.

But, even if the reporters really were “trespassing” at the McDonald’s and the order to leave was lawful (a big if), whether or not moving “too slow” in response to a police order gives the police the right to use force, and to arrest/detain someone, is extremely questionable.

“reporters” are not specially protected by the constitution. the freedom of the press is protected by the constitution – which applies to all people. Anyone can publish something as “the press”. The idea is that the Gov’t cannot censor what the press reports – not that people claiming to be journalists have some special constitutional powers that ordinary citizens do not.

The freedom to publish is constitutionally protected, not the “freedom to be a journalist”. A “journalist” has no more freedom than you or I.

Not saying that what the police did here was right – it wasn’t. I just don’t like it when people believe that being a “journalist” (isn’t anyone who witnesses something, or has a camera on their phone, potentially a “journalist”?) is somehow a special constitutional category.

I do, and should, have just as much constitutionally protected freedom to assemble, speak, etc., as some guy with “press credentials” from Mother Jones.

Monkeytoe on August 15, 2014 at 8:49 AM

Why would I believe reporters who repeatedly told us, “if you like your insurance/doctor you can keep them”? I’m going to side with the police against the reporters every time. The main stream media are nothing more than lying sacks of fertilizer who can no longer be trusted to report the news accurately.

edrebber on August 15, 2014 at 9:19 AM

Why would I believe reporters who repeatedly told us, “if you like your insurance/doctor you can keep them”? I’m going to side with the police against the reporters every time. The main stream media are nothing more than lying sacks of fertilizer who can no longer be trusted to report the news accurately.

edrebber on August 15, 2014 at 9:19 AM

I agree that a healthy skepticism of anything a reporter says is vital, as most reporters are a) dumb, b) biased, and c) lazy. But here, there appear to be other witnesses and video that backs-up the reporters’ accounts.

And, as far as I am aware, the police have not denied the reporters’ accounts.

Monkeytoe on August 15, 2014 at 9:23 AM

Why would I believe reporters who repeatedly told us, “if you like your insurance/doctor you can keep them”?

edrebber on August 15, 2014 at 9:19 AM

Not to mention they have a very long track record of parading cop-killers, petty thieves, and drug dealers who get kakked by a LEO as some martyred member of the Get-Along-Gang.

LawfulGood on August 17, 2014 at 12:55 PM

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