Marist poll shows Hillary fading in 2016 matchups

posted at 7:21 pm on August 14, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

Whatever the Hillary Clinton team had in mind for this summer, this certainly can’t have been it. Her book Hard Choices got panned as political pablum, and she stumbled throughout her promotional tour on what should have been easy and easily-foreseeable questions about her personal wealth and tenure at State. Over the past week, she picked a fight with the White House by attempting to distance herself from Barack Obama’s lack of “organizing principles” in foreign policy, only to make a quick and embarrassing retreat when rebuked publicly by David Axelrod.

At the beginning of the summer, Clinton’s popularity put her far above the presumed pack for the 2016 presidential race. These days, according to a new Marist poll … not so much:

Potential Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton’s lead over a crowded prospective Republican field has narrowed and her support has slipped below 50 percent, according to a new McClatchy-Marist poll. …

For example, Clinton leads Christie 47 percent to 41 percent with 12 percent of voters undecided. In April, she led 53-42 with 5 percent undecided, and in February she enjoyed a 58-37 lead against the governor with 6 percent undecided.

She’s seen her cushion against Bush, brother of former President George W. Bush, erode to 48 percent to 41 percent with 10 percent undecided. That’s down from 55-39 with 6 percent undecided in April.

And against Paul, her lead has shrunk to 48 percent to 42 percent with 10 percent undecided from 54-40 and 6 percent undecided in April.

Part of this result could be the sample, which appears to have overrepresented independents, with a D/R/I of 28/25/45. However, in most of the matchups independents came very close to the overall number. Against Christie, Hillary scores a 44/37 with independents, 46/38 against Jeb Bush, and 45/40 against Rand Paul.

Even if the sample gets balanced out with more Democrats and fewer independents, though, it’s clear that Hillary has faded considerably over the summer. Whatever spin Team Clinton wants to put on her individual statements and retreats, the cumulative effect has been to both raise her profile and reduce her support. It’s a bad way to start a presidential campaign.

Aaron Blake argues that her status as a contender at this point is really just a function of name recognition, and not much more:

Clinton’s continued lead, at this point, is pretty clearly a function of her superior name ID. While Clinton wins the votes of 97 percent of “strong Democrats” in all three matchups, Christie and Paul take only 91 percent of “strong Republicans.” While Clinton takes 79 percent of “soft Democrats,” Paul only takes 65 percent of “soft Republicans.” That’s largely because these Republicans aren’t as well-known to their base.

In all three matchups, Clinton continues to take at least 20 percent of so-called “soft Republicans.” That’s to her credit, and good on her if she can somehow keep it up. We would wager, though, that as those “soft Republicans” actually get to know Republicans and the GOP’s campaign against Clinton begins in earnest, there’s no way Clinton will continue to pick off one in five of even the most casual GOP voters. It’s just not possible in today’s polarized political environment.

As for pure independents– those who don’t really lean toward either party — they continue to favor Clinton in two of the three matchups. But in all three matchups, around one-third of these voters are undecided. These are the voters that will decide the 2016 election, and there are a lot of them up for grabs. We doubt many of them know much about Rand Paul, Jeb Bush and Chris Christie, even as all of them know who Clinton is.

At this point in the game, Clinton is so well-known that she’s effectively the incumbent, trying to ward off her lesser-known challengers. And, as with an incumbent, to the extent that she’s below 50 percent in the polls, it’s hard to call her a favorite.

And don’t look now, but the Hug Summit last night may have to be repeated. Josh Rogin reports on more attempts to distance Hillary from Obama’s foreign policy:

Throughout 2011 and well into 2012, President Obama’s White House barred Hillary Clinton’s State Department from even talking directly to the moderate Syrian rebels. This was only one of several ways the Obama team kept the Clinton team from doing more in Syria, back before the revolution was hijacked by ISIS and spread into Iraq.

The policy feud has flared up again in recent weeks, with Clinton decrying Obama’s Syria policy, Obama’s inner circle hitting back, and the president himself calling criticism of his Syria moves “horseshit.” Obama and his former secretary of state promised to patch things up at a social gathering on Wednesday. But the rift is deep, and years in the making.

Clinton and her senior staff warned the White House multiple times before she left office that the Syrian civil war was getting worse, that working with the civilian opposition was not enough, and that the extremists were gaining ground. The United States needed to engage directly with the Free Syrian Army, they argued; the loose conglomeration of armed rebel groups was more moderate than the Islamic forces—and begging for help from the United States. According to several administration officials who were there, her State Department also warned the White House that Iraq could fall victim to the growing instability in Syria. It was all part of a State Department plea to the president to pursue a different policy.

“The State Department warned as early as 2012 that extremists in eastern Syria would link up with extremists in Iraq. We warned in 2012 that Iraq and Syria would become one conflict,” said former U.S. ambassador to Syria Robert Ford. “We highlighted the competition between rebel groups on the ground, and we warned if we didn’t help the moderates, the extremists would gain.”

But the warnings, which also came from other senior officials—including then-CIA chief David Petraeus and Defense Secretary Leon Panetta—fell on deaf ears. Obama’s small circle of White House foreign policy advisers resisted efforts to make connections with rebel fighters on the ground until 2013, when the administration began to train and equip a few select vetted brigades. For many who worked on Syria policy inside the administration, it was too little, too late.

If so, though, why didn’t we find out more about this in Hard Choices?

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Please, No!!!!

Bmore on August 14, 2014 at 7:22 PM

Her only competition is the democrats.
We better hope she doesn’t make it out “alive” from the primaries.

weedisgood on August 14, 2014 at 7:25 PM

I can’t wait for Rubio 2016!

terryannonline on August 14, 2014 at 7:26 PM

And don’t look now, but the Hug Summit last night may have to be repeated.

You misspelled Hag there, Ed …

ShainS on August 14, 2014 at 7:26 PM

What is the phrase libfreeordie uses? “Girl Bye” is it?

Bmore on August 14, 2014 at 7:28 PM

Enter Liz “Lie-awatha” Warren, stage Left.

Deja vu all over again …

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RedPepper on August 14, 2014 at 7:29 PM

If so, though, why didn’t we find out more about this in Hard Choices?

That’s a great question!

aquaviva on August 14, 2014 at 7:30 PM

I can’t wait for Rubio 2016!

terryannonline on August 14, 2014 at 7:26 PM

Ha !

Hillary’s crushing Marco in Florida by an average of ten points. Not one poll shows him winning.

And that’s his home state. If Rubio can’t win a purple state like Florida against Hillary, where can he win? Wyoming and Oklahoma?

Pincher Martin on August 14, 2014 at 7:30 PM

She’s a lousy politician. She was bad in 2008 and she hasn’t learned anything since then. Of course, I’m sure she surrounds herself with sycophantic “yes” people, so why would she learn anything?

Bitter Clinger on August 14, 2014 at 7:31 PM

Enter Liz “Lie-awatha” Warren, stage Left.

Deja vu all over again …

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RedPepper on August 14, 2014 at 7:29 PM

I’d loooooove for the Dems to nominate Warren. She’s only electable in deep blue states.

Bitter Clinger on August 14, 2014 at 7:32 PM

Hillary’s crushing Marco in Florida by an average of ten points. Not one poll shows him winning.

And that’s his home state. If Rubio can’t win a purple state like Florida against Hillary, where can he win? Wyoming and Oklahoma?

Pincher Martin on August 14, 2014 at 7:30 PM

We have a year and half. Once he gets his campaign in full gear he will be crushing it!!!!

terryannonline on August 14, 2014 at 7:33 PM

Ignoring her basic policy and honesty issues, it bears noting what an incredibly poor ‘retail politician’ she is.
I mean, honestly: I’ve got sticks in my yard that can deliver a more compelling speech.
Hildebeast has been used to a comfortable, insulated position: As First Lady (not really a political position; certainly not an elected one), then the Senate at a particularly auspicious time for her to be there (virtually appointed into the position versus a lousy R candidate), then as an unelected SecState.

This ‘getting people to like you enough to vote for you’ thingie is kinda difficult. Especially for someone who’s basically unlikeable, and out of touch with the mere proletariat, compounded by a laugh more annoying than a dryer load of broken glass, on High.

orangemtl on August 14, 2014 at 7:33 PM

She seems like a poor administrator and a bad politician, but for some reason Warren seems even more disastrous.

Cindy Munford on August 14, 2014 at 7:34 PM

terryannonline on August 14, 2014 at 7:33 PM

Let Marco take a spin at governor before POTUS.

Cindy Munford on August 14, 2014 at 7:35 PM

Hillary is so stupid because she has fallen down drunk and hit her head so many times.

VorDaj on August 14, 2014 at 7:36 PM

Bitter Clinger on August 14, 2014 at 7:31 PM

I largely agree with you. She is a lousy politician, and I don’t think she will wear well over a general election campaign. The polls will tighten.

But she has a large base that will reflexively support her no matter how poorly she performs, and the GOP is a crummy opposition party.

Keep in mind, too, that Hillary won more votes in the 2008 primary than John McCain won in the 2008 and 2000 primaries combined. She even won more votes than Obama. So she has shown she can be competitive in elections and that a lot of people vote for her.

Pincher Martin on August 14, 2014 at 7:36 PM

Let Marco take a spin at governor before POTUS.

Cindy Munford on August 14, 2014 at 7:35 PM

Let Rubio run for President of la Raza or the Chamber of Crony Corporatism and Third World Serf Labor.

VorDaj on August 14, 2014 at 7:37 PM

We have a year and half. Once he gets his campaign in full gear he will be crushing it!!!!

terryannonline on August 14, 2014 at 7:33 PM

Marco needs a campaign to win his own state? I remember the days when serious presidential candidates could count on support in their own state before they even began to campaign – especially against outsiders.

Pincher Martin on August 14, 2014 at 7:38 PM

But the warnings, which also came from other senior officials—including then-CIA chief David Petraeus and Defense Secretary Leon Panetta—fell on deaf ears. Obama’s small circle of White House foreign policy advisers resisted efforts to make connections with rebel fighters on the ground until 2013, when the administration began to train and equip a few select vetted brigades. For many who worked on Syria policy inside the administration, it was too little, too late.

Two and a half years ago, Hillary, who seems to be suffering from advanced dementia, said that arming the “Syrian opposition” would be akin to arming al Qaeda.

VorDaj on August 14, 2014 at 7:40 PM

VorDaj on August 14, 2014 at 7:37 PM

He won’t do anything that silly.

Cindy Munford on August 14, 2014 at 7:42 PM

CIA expert: Obama, Osama share Mideast goal Clare Lopez: ‘It is clear what he is doing’

Select excerpts:

(Lopez also explained she doesn’t use the term Islamists, “because I can’t figure out a difference between Islam and Islamism. It’s either Islam or it’s not Islam. They are either Muslim or have declared themselves not to be Muslims, in which case, they’re apostates.”)

As an example, she described how U.S. special forces were sent to Jordan to train people who turned out to be jihadis, even though it was reported they “vetted everybody.”

“They vetted them and asked, ‘Did you ever belong to al-Qaida?’ and they said ‘Oh, no – not me!’ But did they ever ask them what their ideology was? They’re not allowed to. We’re not allowed to define our enemy so how can we even identify our enemy? So, we fall into things like this where we actually train future ISIS jihadis, according to the Jordanian security officials.”

She added, none of the shocking ISIS behavior, including beheadings and attempted genocide, should be considered strange or unknown, because “it is totally in keeping with Islamic doctrine. There is nothing ISIS is doing that is not what Muhammad did. It is completely according to Islamic doctrine, law and scripture, as well as Muhammad’s biography. But people now look at it and they’re horrified, as we all should be.”

And, last but not least, she asserts the jihadist organization the Muslim Brotherhood has deeply infiltrated the Obama administration and other branches of the federal government.

VorDaj on August 14, 2014 at 7:43 PM

She’s not going to run. I think she wants to, but I doubt all considered she actually will. I think she knows she can’t win, and doesn’t want to embarrass herself again. Chelsea on the other hand will likely be the next senator from NY, whenever she decides she want the seat Gillibrand will get out the way.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 14, 2014 at 7:49 PM

CANKLES WITH A PUMPKIN FOR A HEAD.

The personality matches that of a zucchini, and her political philosophy is that of one of karl marx’s carrots. (freshly stolen off the plate of an infant).

Diluculo on August 14, 2014 at 7:49 PM

I largely agree with you. She is a lousy politician, and I don’t think she will wear well over a general election campaign. The polls will tighten.

But she has a large base that will reflexively support her no matter how poorly she performs, and the GOP is a crummy opposition party.

Keep in mind, too, that Hillary won more votes in the 2008 primary than John McCain won in the 2008 and 2000 primaries combined. She even won more votes than Obama. So she has shown she can be competitive in elections and that a lot of people vote for her.

Pincher Martin on August 14, 2014 at 7:36 PM

This is somewhat misleading. As the Dem. primaries were far more competitive in 2008 than the GOP primaries.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 14, 2014 at 7:51 PM

Clinton’s continued lead, at this point, is pretty clearly a function of her superior name ID.

Along with the fact that she’s a FAKE!

Remember Benghazi!

Hillary! = Obama v2.0

GarandFan on August 14, 2014 at 7:53 PM

Lady MacBubba was always staring in a political tragedy. She just didn’t know it.

RBMN on August 14, 2014 at 7:56 PM

Must have more HUGS!

Rovin on August 14, 2014 at 7:59 PM

Two and a half years ago, Hillary, who seems to be suffering from advanced dementia, said that arming the “Syrian opposition” would be akin to arming al Qaeda.

VorDaj on August 14, 2014 at 7:40 PM

As I recall, she also said Assad was a reformer.

I suppose she’s right. He’s reformed Syria from a semi-livable third world toilet into an unliveable third world hellhole.

Bitter Clinger on August 14, 2014 at 8:00 PM

Lady MacBubba was always starring in a political tragedy. She just didn’t know it.

RBMN on August 14, 2014 at 7:56 PM

Heh, that’s a great description.

[Recently watched a movie version of the Scottish play with Ian McKellen and Judie Dench. My favorite line, from Lady MacBeth: “You have displaced the mirth …”]

ShainS on August 14, 2014 at 8:06 PM

The left might love Liz, but the party bigwigs will back Hillary. Also, there are a lot of Dems who will be nostalgic for the relative peace and prosperity of her husband’s presidency. Aside from Warren, I don’t see anybody who could challenge her. O’Malley is generic, Cuomo is being undone by scandal, Joe Biden is goofy and goes off script, and Jerry Brown is even older than she is.

As for her potential challengers, Rubio is acting more like an establishment politician these days, Christie is a jovial straight-talker, in some ways he is a throwback to an earlier sort of politician, but can he win outside blue states? Jeb Bush could be the “safe” choice, another name-brand candidate. Ted Cruz probably needs a few more years. Rand Paul is in many ways his father’s son, good and bad.

The way things are going, 2016 may be a vote for a return to normalcy. People may want the familiar, rather than protest candidates on either side. So, Clinton and Jeb after all?

WestVirginiaRebel on August 14, 2014 at 8:17 PM

“Hillary fading”

That’s got to be ageist or sexist or both or something….

notropis on August 14, 2014 at 8:23 PM

People may want the familiar, rather than protest candidates on either side.

Tim Pawlenty. “I’m Calvin Coolidge with a mullet.”

notropis on August 14, 2014 at 8:24 PM

She’s a lousy politician. She was bad in 2008 and she hasn’t learned anything since then. Of course, I’m sure she surrounds herself with sycophantic “yes” people, so why would she learn anything?

Bitter Clinger on August 14, 2014 at 7:31 PM

Hit the proverbial nail on the head.

Hillary is quite possibly the most incompetent and overrated “campaign-mode” politician in America, except for maybe Mitt Romney whose name keeps popping up for God knows what reason.

Aizen on August 14, 2014 at 8:26 PM

Considering it’s 2014 and considering the defecrats elected the first black president, the campaign slogan writes itself:

“First Woman President. Forward the History.”

Her win will be historic – or, at least, the media will portray it as such.

And only 1 party will have done it. After cankles gets her eight they’ll come up with a loud and proud homosexual or very masculine lesbian.

From there on out, who knows? An illegal who gets citizenship from the upcoming executive amnesty?

Ruckus_Tom on August 14, 2014 at 8:54 PM

This is somewhat misleading. As the Dem. primaries were far more competitive in 2008 than the GOP primaries.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 14, 2014 at 7:51 PM

There’s nothing misleading about it. For a competitive election and high turnout, you need competitive players – people who will bring voters to the polls.

Hillary did that.

Gore versus Bush was a very competitive election, too, and yet turnout was quite low for a presidential election.

Pincher Martin on August 14, 2014 at 8:54 PM

Hillary is quite possibly the most incompetent and overrated “campaign-mode” politician in America, except for maybe Mitt Romney whose name keeps popping up for God knows what reason.

Aizen on August 14, 2014 at 8:26 PM

The most overrated politician in the country is John McCain.

Pincher Martin on August 14, 2014 at 8:57 PM

The old hag isn’t finished yet…she got a face job!

trs on August 14, 2014 at 9:07 PM

Considering it’s 2014 and considering the defecrats elected the first black president, the campaign slogan writes itself:

“First Woman President. Forward the History.”

Her win will be historic – or, at least, the media will portray it as such.

And only 1 party will have done it. After cankles gets her eight they’ll come up with a loud and proud homosexual or very masculine lesbian.

From there on out, who knows? An illegal who gets citizenship from the upcoming executive amnesty?

Ruckus_Tom on August 14, 2014 at 8:54 PM

The first tranny president. Come on, you know it’s time.

slickwillie2001 on August 14, 2014 at 9:12 PM

Marco needs a campaign to win his own state? I remember the days when serious presidential candidates could count on support in their own state before they even began to campaign – especially against outsiders.

Pincher Martin on August 14, 2014 at 7:38 PM

You’re right. Just like Gore in TN in 2000.

307wolverine on August 14, 2014 at 9:29 PM

But The Marxist Poll has her up seven points.

hawkdriver on August 14, 2014 at 9:33 PM

Hillary is an extremely weak candidate. Let’s hope she is the Democrat nominee.

huckleberryfriend on August 14, 2014 at 9:38 PM

You’re right. Just like Gore in TN in 2000.

307wolverine on August 14, 2014 at 9:29 PM

So you mean Marco is to Florida what Gore is to Tennessee? Is that supposed to be reassuring?

Keep in mind, too, that Gore in 2000 had not been Tennessee’s elected senator for eight years – an eight years that saw the south switch permanently to the GOP column. Rubio is Florida’s senator today.

Pincher Martin on August 14, 2014 at 9:40 PM

Hillary is an extremely weak candidate. Let’s hope she is the Democrat nominee.

huckleberryfriend on August 14, 2014 at 9:38 PM

Be careful what you wish for, friend. I’d much rather face Biden.

Pincher Martin on August 14, 2014 at 9:41 PM

I wish her support was fading…but…the mainstream media will take care of that. They’ll do whatever is necessary to ensure she wins.

Bob Davis on August 14, 2014 at 10:10 PM

So you mean Marco is to Florida what Gore is to Tennessee? Is that supposed to be reassuring?

Pincher Martin on August 14, 2014 at 9:40 PM

No, you seemed to indicate that one’ home state should be a lay-up and if you have to campaign to get their EV, you’re in trouble.

To your second point: The visibility of the VP is pretty high. I would think that there’d be some “Hey, look at one of ours over there as VP.” It’s not like he was some obscure Cabinet official. He was next in line for POTUS.

307wolverine on August 14, 2014 at 10:13 PM

Fading ? Maybe, but the Clintoons tend to win their political fights by process of… elimination.

Sorta like Al Capone did.

viking01 on August 14, 2014 at 10:22 PM

Pincher Martin on August 14, 2014 at 7:30 PM

Things can change in a hurry and there is no hurry yet.

Hillary is slowly making herself known to the American people again and it ain’t good for her. Heck even Yahoo News picked up on the Secret Service hates Hillary story.

CW on August 14, 2014 at 10:37 PM

Ha !

Hillary’s crushing Marco in Florida by an average of ten points. Not one poll shows him winning.

And that’s his home state. If Rubio can’t win a purple state like Florida against Hillary, where can he win? Wyoming and Oklahoma?

Pincher Martin on August 14, 2014 at 7:30 PM

It does seem like a lot of the Republican politicians seem to have a tough time against Hillary in their home states.

In this poll, Christie does better against Hillary in TX than Cruz and Perry do (In fact, Perry actually loses to Hillary):

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/2016-election-ted-cruz-republican-candidate-texas-poll-93707.html

In another one, the only Republican (out of the ones polled) that Hillary beats in Alaska is actually Sarah Palin. Christie, Cruz, Rand, Huckabee, and Jeb all beat Hillary there:

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2014/08/alaskans-down-on-palin-potential-2016-bid.html#more

It should be an interesting election cycle.

GOPRanknFile on August 14, 2014 at 10:39 PM

Heck even Yahoo News picked up on the Secret Service hates Hillary story.

CW on August 14, 2014 at 10:37 PM

I’ll bet they do. Killary probably treats the Secret Service like Room Service worse than Moochelle’s mother does.

Plus, the Clintoons are notorious for charging the Secret Service residing at the Chappaqua lair.

viking01 on August 14, 2014 at 10:43 PM

Bill and Hillary Clinton should be in prison for crimes against humanity for what they did to their fellow citizens at Waco, TX, on April 19, 1993. The Waco Massacre and church burning (it was a church, not a “compound”), was the most brutal, heinous violation of civil, human and Constitutional rights in this nation’s history. Innocent men, women and children were attacked with tanks, poison gas (CS gas turns to cyanide when heated) and burned alive. Those who ran from the church were machine-gunned as documented in the movie “Waco, The Rules of Engagement.” If you doubt how bad this was consider that you never hear the left stream media talk about it. They want it erased from history but this memorial site will remain forever: http://www.wizardsofaz.com/waco/waco2.html
And if that weren’t bad enough, Clinton’s thugs then stuck a machine gun in the face of a 5 year old boy and sent him to the communist gulag known as Cuba: http://www.therealcuba.com/elian_gonzalez.htm
Let’s hope Clinton isn’t teaching President Prompter too many of his old tricks! Here’s a list of the children murdered at Waco: Lisa Martin 13, Sheila Martin, Jr. 15, Rachel Sylvia 12, Hollywood Sylvia 1, Joseph Martinez 8, Abigail Martinez 11, Crystal Martinez 3 Isaiah Martinez 4, Audrey Martinez 13, Melissa Morrison 6, Chanel Andrade 1, Cyrus Koresh 8
Star Koresh 6, Bobbie Lane Koresh 2, Dayland Gent 3, Page Gent 1, Mayanah Schneider 2, Startle Summers 1, Serenity Jones 4, Chica Jones 2, Little One Jones 2

devan95 on August 14, 2014 at 11:28 PM

Inevitable scumhag

Schadenfreude on August 14, 2014 at 11:41 PM

307wolverine on August 14, 2014 at 10:13 PM

A politician’s home state is typically a layup. But the situation in 2000 for Gore was quite unusual and not comparable to Rubio’s in Florida.

When Gore was first elected on the bottom half of the ticket in 1992, many parts of the south still had Democratic representatives.

The Republican wave in 1994 changed all that by sweeping away the last remnants of Democratic representatives in the south that Goldwater had started to chip away at in 1964.

Clinton/Gore won Tennessee by 4.6 points in 1992. They won it by only 2.4 points in 1996, even though their national margin was greater that year than it was the first election. Gore/Lieberman then lost Gore’s home state by 3.9 points in 2000.

But by then Gore hadn’t been living in, or representing, Tennessee for eight years.

So that’s very different from Rubio’s situation in Florida.

To your second point: The visibility of the VP is pretty high. I would think that there’d be some “Hey, look at one of ours over there as VP.” It’s not like he was some obscure Cabinet official. He was next in line for POTUS.

True, but the entire south continued trending away from the Democrats during the decade, and southern voters could vote for one of their own on the GOP ticket.

Clinton/Gore had been good enough to stop the bleeding in the south by winning a few states in both 92 and 96, but Bush swept the south in 2000 and the south has remained firmly, if not unanimously, in the GOP column ever since.

Pincher Martin on August 15, 2014 at 1:00 AM

CW on August 14, 2014 at 10:37 PM

Yes, things can change. But a good politician for a viable run at president ought to be able to beat Hillary in his own state if he represents a purple state and his opponent is not from the region.

I’m more forgiving of Christie losing the polling battle in New Jersey, since that’s a solid blue state and it’s next door to Hillary’s state of New York.

But Florida? If Jeb and Rubio can’t handle Hillary in polls among their own state’s voters, when those voters ought to know their virtues well and Hillary’s name recognition shouldn’t impact the surveys much, then how the hell are they going to do it in Ohio and Iowa and Colorado?

Pincher Martin on August 15, 2014 at 1:06 AM

And here’s the thing: Hillary isn’t just beating Rubio in Florida. She’s crushing him. She leads by an average of ten points in the RCP poll of polls.

I haven’t seen any polling on it yet, but I bet she also crushes Rubio among Hispanic voters. I’d be surprised if he polls above 35 percent when facing Hillary.

Pincher Martin on August 15, 2014 at 1:16 AM

Chameleon douche bag.

Krupnikas on August 15, 2014 at 9:32 AM