Fraternal Order of Police chief: Discussing police tactics from Martha’s Vineyard won’t calm the situation, you know

posted at 8:01 pm on August 14, 2014 by Allahpundit

Smart politics. PDs are in a precarious position right now, criticized universally by the left for what happened last night in Ferguson and by many on the libertarian and libertarian-ish right, future presidential candidate Rand Paul among them. If that heat stays bipartisan, legislation to end federal provisions of military weapons to local police might happen. The fastest way to short-circuit that bipartisanship is to frame the argument as one between Obama and the police, knowing that Republicans will be more inclined to side with the cops if O’s on the other side. And so:

“I would contend that discussing police tactics from Martha’s Vineyard is not helpful to ultimately calming the situation,” director Jim Pasco said in an interview with The Hill.

“I think what he has to do as president and as a constitutional lawyer is remember that there is a process in the United States and the process is being followed, for good or for ill, by the police and by the county and by the city and by the prosecutors’ office,” Pasco added…

Pasco said both police and members of the public are entitled to due process but said he is not convinced police have used excessive force in Ferguson.

“I’m not there, and neither is the president,” Pasco said. “That is why we have due process in the United States. And this will all be sorted out over time. But right now, I haven’t seen anything from afar — and maybe the president has — that would lead me to believe the police are doing anything except to restore order.”

I’m assuming Pasco would have grumbled about Obama’s criticism regardless of where he delivered it, but mentioning Martha’s Vineyard is a nice touch too. You take his point: It’s easy to judge cops when you’re clinking champagne glasses with Vernon Jordan on the 18th hole, not in the thick of it with people who are throwing bottles at your head. If you missed Obama’s statement earlier, though, catch up now. He did say that there’s no excuse for police to use excessive force, but he prefaced that by emphasizing that there’s no excuse for using violence against the police — and he pointedly failed to say, when mentioning Michael Brown’s death, how Brown died or who it was who shot him. It was the vaguest, most banal “we all need to behave better” oatmeal, but Pasco still saw an opportunity in critiquing it.

Incidentally, it’s also apparently the position of the Department of Justice that St. Louis County PD has used “excessive force,” which explains why there are no fewer than six(!) DOJ departments now on the ground in Ferguson according to BuzzFeed. I think the feds have chosen the term “excessive force” carefully: They’re not accusing the police of brutality, which suggests beating people, just of using more force than they really need to to control the crowds.

In any event, as Ed noted earlier, the St. Louis County police are no longer on the case. The Missouri Highway Patrol is in charge now. Here’s Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon making the announcement, and reading it fast enough that it sounds like he’d rather be anywhere in the world except there.


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The F.O.P. Chief is clearly a racist…

/s

Khun Joe on August 14, 2014 at 8:08 PM

Criminals often find themselves at odds with the police.

Its a circle of life kind of thing.

SpongePuppy on August 14, 2014 at 8:08 PM

I’m surprised his handlers don’t keep a tie nearby for moments like that.
 
Ha. Just kidding.

rogerb on August 14, 2014 at 8:09 PM

I guess we are past the beer summit stage.

If only the police and criminals would learn to co-exists without stepping on each others toes, if only.

SpongePuppy on August 14, 2014 at 8:11 PM

In any event, as Ed noted earlier, the St. Louis County police are no longer on the case. The Missouri Highway Patrol is in charge now. Here’s Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon making the announcement, and reading it fast enough that it sounds like he’d rather be anywhere in the world except there.

Ned is heartbroken. He was sure the FBI was in charge.

Bitter Clinger on August 14, 2014 at 8:12 PM

Here’s Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon making the announcement, and reading it fast enough that it sounds like he’d rather be anywhere in the world except there.

Of course Gov Nixon doesn’t want to be there…ruining the optics for his bid for US Senator or higher office.

TIdbIT on August 14, 2014 at 8:13 PM

He did say that there’s no excuse for police to use excessive force, but he prefaced that by emphasizing that there’s no excuse for using violence against the police — and he pointedly failed to say, when mentioning Michael Brown’s death, how Brown died or who it was who shot him. It was the vaguest, most banal “we all need to behave better” oatmeal, but Pasco still saw an opportunity in critiquing it.

You just know that Obama really wanted to say “the Fergusoh & St. Louis County police acted stupidly”.

Bitter Clinger on August 14, 2014 at 8:14 PM

Why would he assume that a Community Agitator actually wants to calm the situation?

ShainS on August 14, 2014 at 8:16 PM

So when did Jay Nixon wake up?

GarandFan on August 14, 2014 at 8:17 PM

But Obama doesn’t want to calm the situation. He wants to exploit it.

VorDaj on August 14, 2014 at 8:17 PM

The sad, painful quest for relevance.

Willys on August 14, 2014 at 8:18 PM

Another of Obama’s sons rap sheet:

Michael Brown’s rap sheet on casenet

Description:casenet

Description:
Burglary – 1st Degree { Felony B RSMo: 569.160 }

Date: 11/02/2013 Code: 1401000

OCN: AJ006207 Arresting Agency: ST ANN PD

Description:
Armed Criminal Action { Felony Unclassified RSMo: 571.015 }

Date: 11/02/2013 Code: 3101000

OCN: AJ006207 Arresting Agency: ST ANN PD

Description:
Assault 1st Degree – Serious Physical Injury { Felony A RSMo: 565.050 }

Date: 11/02/2013 Code: 1301100

OCN: AJ006207 Arresting Agency: ST ANN PD

Description:
Armed Criminal Action { Felony Unclassified RSMo: 571.015 }

Date: 11/02/2013 Code: 3101000

OCN: AJ006207 Arresting Agency: ST ANN PD

VorDaj on August 14, 2014 at 8:20 PM

I’m surprised his handlers don’t keep a tie nearby for moments like that.

Ha. Just kidding.

rogerb on August 14, 2014 at 8:09 PM

That would’ve slowed him down both coming from and returning to the golf course.

Bitter Clinger on August 14, 2014 at 8:22 PM

VorDaj on August 14, 2014 at 8:20 PM

A veritable saint.

Bitter Clinger on August 14, 2014 at 8:23 PM

Discussing police tactics from Martha’s Vineyard won’t calm the situation, you know

Why would Hussein want to calm the situation ?
“Pigs” should know his history by now.
They should be thankful he didn’t send in Mumia to represent him.

burrata on August 14, 2014 at 8:24 PM

Why is he even talking about this?? Getting the DOJ involved which is incomptant with Holder at the wheel….

sorrowen on August 14, 2014 at 8:24 PM

VorDaj on August 14, 2014 at 8:20 PM

All that in one day?

Classy.

BallisticBob on August 14, 2014 at 8:27 PM

VorDaj on August 14, 2014 at 8:20 PM

If true that would help explain Obama’s measured statement; he didn’t even say Michael Brown would look like his son, if he had a son. He did say now Michael Brown’s parents can’t put their arms around him anymore. Cynical emotionally manipulative chicanery.

LashRambo on August 14, 2014 at 8:27 PM

I have no issue with what Obama said.

weedisgood on August 14, 2014 at 8:29 PM

So Michael Brown is walking in the middle of the street … should the cop leave well enough alone, and not disrespect the man’s personal dignity as a proud black man … or should he, like any cop should, tell him to get out of the street and walk on the sidewalk. Then there’s some confrontation, where the cop is injured, and pulls his gun and shoots him dead.

What should have been done differently? Millions of dollars more to the minority community? Midnight basketball? Is that it?

LashRambo on August 14, 2014 at 8:31 PM

Expect Mr. Pasco to receive a few phone calls and/or letters from the IRS.

Aizen on August 14, 2014 at 8:31 PM

VorDaj on August 14, 2014 at 8:20 PM

Gangbanging thug :
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/breaking-michael-brown-was-a-local-gangster-seen-flashing-gang-signs/
No wonder thugs are rioting and looting, to distract from their fellow thug’s peachy bio.

burrata on August 14, 2014 at 8:31 PM

the doj has people there advising the protesters.
got that?
advising the protesters.

dmacleo on August 14, 2014 at 8:34 PM

PDs are in a precarious position right now, criticized universally by the left for what happened last night in Ferguson and by many on the libertarian and libertarian-ish right, future presidential candidate Rand Paul among them.

Once again, Rand Paul and many on the “libertarian and libertarian-ish right” have aligned themselves with the left.

If that heat stays bipartisan …

The “heat” is not bipartisan – and I think that holding Rand Paul up as an example is exceptionally silly. As usual, Rand is just exploiting a situation, and pandering to all of the wrong people by adopting a liberal stance. Of course, we should expect Rand Paul to walk back his position in a few days, when he does not realize the gains that he had hoped for.

Pork-Chop on August 14, 2014 at 8:34 PM

I have no issue with what Obama said.

weedisgood on August 14, 2014 at 8:29 PM

Fellow choomers stick together.

Bitter Clinger on August 14, 2014 at 8:36 PM

I must say, he looks like crap. That makes me happy.

BeachBum on August 14, 2014 at 8:37 PM

the doj has people there advising the protesters.
got that?
advising the protesters.

dmacleo on August 14, 2014 at 8:34 PM

Maybe Holder has hired New Black Panther Party members as independent contractors to help out with that …

ShainS on August 14, 2014 at 8:38 PM

I have no issue with what Obama said.

weedisgood on August 14, 2014 at 8:29 PM

He talked in weak generalities, with no power of any sort, ignoring the obvious point that there are only riots when a black man is shot by the police, and never any other time. As a black man himself, he said NOTHING to address the obvious issues, of black people getting upset when a black person is shot by the police. He didn’t appeal to his fellow blacks to stop rioting and looting.

Obama has the most powerful office in the world, and he’s weak, he’s pitiful. He’s a coward.

LashRambo on August 14, 2014 at 8:38 PM

A union attacking a preznit, a black preznit at that; this would be pretty cool if the IRS were sicced on the union.

Bishop on August 14, 2014 at 8:41 PM

If only the police were more tolerant of criminal activity. If only.

SpongePuppy on August 14, 2014 at 8:42 PM

FAKE! Obama said before the election he wouldn’t take vacations.

cat-scratch on August 14, 2014 at 8:43 PM

As a black man himself, he said NOTHING to address the obvious issues, of black people getting upset when a black person is shot by the police

LashRambo on August 14, 2014 at 8:38 PM

He would have, if the officer were white. It is becoming apparent that the officer involved is black – which neutralizes obama’s ability to exploit the situation.

Pork-Chop on August 14, 2014 at 8:43 PM

I’ve thought there were some agendas being played out here with the sudden coalescence of outside agitators popping up in Ferguson. Well, this is interesting to say the least

FERGUSON, Mo. – NewsChannel 5 has learned the FBI will now take over a large part of the investigation into the shooting death of 18-year-old Michael Brown.

The FBI will oversee all operations, protests and other activities in Ferguson.

Local police agencies, including St. Louis County police will now operate under the direction of the FBI.

We’ve also learned the Department of Justice will send special prosecutors to Ferguson to help with the investigation.

Full court press. I think this will be in the press for a couple of years. There’s a lot to mine here. Voting rights, police brutality, regionalism. Nudging the STL area this way and that in the name of Social Justice.

oh, and the cop? Be lucky to be out of prison in 20 years.

r keller on August 14, 2014 at 8:43 PM

Several live feeds from Ferguson tonight. Lots of Marxist revolutionaries around Ferguson. How can I tell? Because they are wearing tee shirts saying they are Marxist Revolutionaries. Some of them are carrying portable amplifiers all the better to stir up the crowds. Lots of young guys wearing bandanas, some were seen testing to see if it fit over their faces for later use. Everybody all ecstatic about the lack of police. Incessant beeping of car horns might drive you crazy if you were there, they almost did just watching it livestreaming. Peace and protest reigns. We will see how the night goes.

Viator on August 14, 2014 at 8:46 PM

He would have, if the officer were white. It is becoming apparent that the officer involved is black – which neutralizes obama’s ability to exploit the situation.

Pork-Chop on August 14, 2014 at 8:43 PM

What’s your source for that? I’d really like to know.

Bitter Clinger on August 14, 2014 at 8:46 PM

Have the integrity and honesty to post Obama’s take on Michael Brown.
The new HotAir moniker should be: Run Scared, Run Away. Reality starts at the 6:15 mark of the video…..I’d say enjoy but that would be twisted!

dmann on August 14, 2014 at 8:47 PM

I’m surprised his handlers don’t keep a tie nearby for moments like that.

Ha. Just kidding.

rogerb on August 14, 2014 at 8:09 PM

Funny, when I first read that, I mistook “tie” for “lie“. Oddly enough, it works well either way…

bofh on August 14, 2014 at 8:48 PM

He didn’t appeal to his fellow blacks to stop rioting and looting.

LashRambo on August 14, 2014 at 8:38 PM

Now why would his fellow blacks let this crisis go to waste ?

burrata on August 14, 2014 at 8:48 PM

Check out Gateway Pundit Hot Airians.

Keanu Reeves voice: “Whoa!”

Brian in Titletown on August 14, 2014 at 8:51 PM

Has Dear Leader been drinking it up since vacay or just no makeup…?

d1carter on August 14, 2014 at 8:54 PM

I have no issue with what Obama said.
weedisgood on August 14, 2014 at 8:29 PM

For clarification, ya understand…

Newtie and the Beauty on August 14, 2014 at 8:55 PM

What’s your source for that? I’d really like to know.

Bitter Clinger on August 14, 2014 at 8:46 PM

My SOURCE? 2 + 2 = 4

If obama, and the rest of the race-carders aren’t screaming about RACE, then you know that there is simply nothing to scream about. We have seen obama do it, time and time again – why is he not doing it this time?

Pork-Chop on August 14, 2014 at 8:55 PM

What was it…? Seven minutes from presser to first tee….

d1carter on August 14, 2014 at 8:55 PM

For clarification, ya understand…

Newtie and the Beauty on August 14, 2014 at 8:55 PM

Hey, I know you!

HonestLib on August 14, 2014 at 8:59 PM

You all do know that this whole situation is being revved up by the Dems to motivate black voters to vote in two months with the administration playing along…..right?

KMav on August 14, 2014 at 9:00 PM

My SOURCE? 2 + 2 = 4

If obama, and the rest of the race-carders aren’t screaming about RACE, then you know that there is simply nothing to scream about. We have seen obama do it, time and time again – why is he not doing it this time?

Pork-Chop on August 14, 2014 at 8:55 PM

It seems to me that there is screaming about race going on. The black community is a lot less likely to riot if the cop was one of their own. Obama decided not to open his mouth with a “the cops acted stupidly” or “if I had a son….” line this time. I guess he’s learned something from his time in office.

Bitter Clinger on August 14, 2014 at 9:00 PM

Its also called distraction.

KMav on August 14, 2014 at 9:01 PM

My SOURCE? 2 + 2 = 4

If obama, and the rest of the race-carders aren’t screaming about RACE, then you know that there is simply nothing to scream about. We have seen obama do it, time and time again – why is he not doing it this time?

Pork-Chop on August 14, 2014 at 8:55 PM

Hey, you put it out there. If you are right, then I will be the first to say you said it first. If you are wrong, what will you say?

HonestLib on August 14, 2014 at 9:02 PM

Hey, I know you!
HonestLib on August 14, 2014 at 8:59 PM

*smooooch!*

Newtie and the Beauty on August 14, 2014 at 9:02 PM

*smooooch!*

Newtie and the Beauty on August 14, 2014 at 9:02 PM

All me luv…luvs. Hope to see you tomorrow night. You are the best!

HonestLib on August 14, 2014 at 9:07 PM

Hey, you put it out there. If you are right, then I will be the first to say you said it first. If you are wrong, what will you say?

HonestLib on August 14, 2014 at 9:02 PM

I’ll say that I was wrong – it’s just a guess. But, it is something to think about – So far, no one has claimed that the officer is white.

Pork-Chop on August 14, 2014 at 9:10 PM

Gangbanging thug :
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/breaking-michael-brown-was-a-local-gangster-seen-flashing-gang-signs/
No wonder thugs are rioting and looting, to distract from their fellow thug’s peachy bio.

burrata on August 14, 2014 at 8:31 PM

Uh-oh. I thought he was a dainty little teenager? A teddy bear? He looks like a linebacker in those pictures.

slickwillie2001 on August 14, 2014 at 9:10 PM

VorDaj on August 14, 2014 at 8:20 PM

1. Are you sure that’s the right Michael Brown?

2. His arrest record is irrelevant.

DisneyFan on August 14, 2014 at 9:14 PM

Smart politics. PDs are in a precarious position right now, criticized universally by the left for what happened last night in Ferguson and by many on the libertarian and libertarian-ish right, future presidential candidate Rand Paul among them. If that heat stays bipartisan, legislation to end federal provisions of military weapons to local police might happen.

Allahpundit on August 14, 2014 at 8:01 PM

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Uhhh . . . . . . . . . why did you leave “plain-old-conservatives” outta that ?

I believe we make up the biggest part of that.

listens2glenn on August 14, 2014 at 9:14 PM

Gangbanging thug :
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/breaking-michael-brown-was-a-local-gangster-seen-flashing-gang-signs/
No wonder thugs are rioting and looting, to distract from their fellow thug’s peachy bio.

burrata on August 14, 2014 at 8:31 PM

Uh-oh. I thought he was a dainty little teenager? A teddy bear? He looks like a linebacker in those pictures.

slickwillie2001 on August 14, 2014 at 9:10 PM

I thought he was fixin to start college next week.

arnold ziffel on August 14, 2014 at 9:17 PM

Pork-Chop on August 14, 2014 at 8:43 PM
Bitter Clinger on August 14, 2014 at 9:00 PM
HonestLib on August 14, 2014 at 9:02 PM
Pork-Chop on August 14, 2014 at 9:10 PM

BET is claiming that the name of the Ferguson policeman who shot Brown was identified on Twitter by the internet hacking group, Anonymous. They also threatened to release the officer’s photo, but their Twitter account went dark.

From the comments of the hacker group cited in the article, one might infer that the officer is white. However Anonymous never identifies his race. That would seem to be the obvious thing to do, as it would fit the standard leftist template. But they don’t. Which could raise some 2 + 2 = 4 suspicions.

Anyone have a time machine for Twitter?

de rigueur on August 14, 2014 at 9:17 PM

It seems to me that there is screaming about race going on. The black community is a lot less likely to riot if the cop was one of their own.

The claim by local authorities is that most of the rioters/looters came from outside of the area – they likely had little knowledge of what actually happened, other than that some black guy was shot by police. They saw an opportunity to loot and riot in the name of “JUSTICE FOR _______ (fill in the blank)” and they went for it.

Obama decided not to open his mouth with a “the cops acted stupidly” or “if I had a son….” line this time. I guess he’s learned something from his time in office.

Bitter Clinger on August 14, 2014 at 9:00 PM

We all know that obama is incapable of learning from his mistakes – and he never passes up an opportunity to make himself look stupid, or to inflame racial tensions. If there was a race issue in Ferguson to exploit, he would have already done so.

Pork-Chop on August 14, 2014 at 9:18 PM

I have no issue with what Obama said.

weedisgood on August 14, 2014 at 8:29 PM

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Have you ever, about any subject matter ?

listens2glenn on August 14, 2014 at 9:19 PM

Fraternal Order of Police chief: Discussing police tactics from Martha’s Vineyard won’t calm the situation, you know
=====================================================

Well,…it works for Military Decisions dont cha know!!
(sarc)

canopfor on August 14, 2014 at 9:21 PM

All me luv…luvs. Hope to see you tomorrow night. You are the best!
HonestLib on August 14, 2014 at 9:07 PM

Will I need to wear the bells?

Newtie and the Beauty on August 14, 2014 at 9:22 PM

I blame Hopey for this,….after all, he set the Rhetric Tone!

“YOU ARE MY AMBASSADORS”!!

Obama Says “Argue With Neighbors, Get In Their Face”
****************************************************

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCMDur9CDZ4

canopfor on August 14, 2014 at 9:24 PM

BET is claiming that the name of the Ferguson policeman who shot Brown was identified on Twitter by the internet hacking group, Anonymous. They also threatened to release the officer’s photo, but their Twitter account went dark.

de rigueur on August 14, 2014 at 9:17 PM

This has been debunked. ‘Anonymous’ released the wrong name, and has put uninvolved people in danger.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/anonymous-hacker-group-releases-name-of-ferguson-police-officer-in-michaelbrown-shooting/

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/08/14/anonymous-releases-alleged-name-of-officer-they-say-fatally-shot-michael-brown/

Pork-Chop on August 14, 2014 at 9:27 PM

VorDaj on August 14, 2014 at 8:20 PM

Are those stats authentic? I read elsewhere that they describe another Michael Brown altogether.

I fail to understand how this whole brouhaha became a federal issue at all. Was it the result of Holder’s DOJ jumping in? the “bleed and lead” sensationalism of the media: CNN and MSNBC, in particular?

Why are the feds actively militarizing our police forces anyway? Are they preparing for or stoking civil unrest?

onlineanalyst on August 14, 2014 at 9:31 PM

Interesting,……the alleged Good Cops,…are African American;

https://twitter.com/AamerISmad

Aamer Madhani @AamerISmad · 1h

This guy spotted a few good cops in #Ferguson

https://twitter.com/AamerISmad/status/500073551920398336/photo/1

canopfor on August 14, 2014 at 9:31 PM

Well, if he’s a linebacker, I guess he deserves to die.

That’s what I’d do. Kill their linebacker f’ing asses.

Pretty clear that the kid’s a thug and the black woman cop was defending herself (what? seriously???)

I notice Porkchop backed off on the “gender unknown” thing when he/she noted that everyone referred to the cop as a “he.” Guess the cop’s not a woman. Still must be a black man, because otherwise the witnesses would have been saying “the honky shot him” or some such.

10 – 1 Mr./Ms. Porkchop – when it comes out, the cop is white. You up for the bet? (But only like $10 – $1, not $100 – $10 or something crazy. Because if I’m wrong, I want to be able to pay up….)

notropis on August 14, 2014 at 9:33 PM

Anyone have a time machine for Twitter?

de rigueur on August 14, 2014 at 9:17 PM

Found this:

http://topsy.com/s?q=from%3A%40TheAnonMessage&window=d13&type=tweet&sort=date

ShainS on August 14, 2014 at 9:35 PM

VorDaj on August 14, 2014 at 8:20 PM

Gangbanging thug :
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/breaking-michael-brown-was-a-local-gangster-seen-flashing-gang-signs/
No wonder thugs are rioting and looting, to distract from their fellow thug’s peachy bio.

burrata on August 14, 2014 at 8:31 PM

I noticed the oddest thing while sitting, captive in a waiting room with a television program broadcasting Rachel Ray. A black woman was demonstrating several two-ingredient recipes, but she was grinning and flashing the same gang sign as part of her schtick. It just struck me as peculiar.

onlineanalyst on August 14, 2014 at 9:38 PM

OCN: AJ006207 Arresting Agency: ST ANN PD

VorDaj on August 14, 2014 at 8:20 PM

VorDaj: KAOS is questioning it:)
===============================

Michael Brown’s rap sheet on casenet:

Description: Burglary – 1st Degree { Felony B RSMo: 569.160 }
Date: 11/02/2013 Code: 1401000
OCN: AJ006207 Arresting Agency: ST ANN PD

Description: Armed Criminal Action { Felony Unclassified RSMo: 571.015 }
Date: 11/02/2013 Code: 3101000
OCN: AJ006207 Arresting Agency: ST ANN PD

Description: Assault 1st Degree – Serious Physical Injury { Felony A RSMo: 565.050 }
Date: 11/02/2013 Code: 1301100
OCN: AJ006207 Arresting Agency: ST ANN PD

Description: Armed Criminal Action { Felony Unclassified RSMo: 571.015 }
Date: 11/02/2013 Code: 3101000
OCN: AJ006207 Arresting Agency: ST ANN PD

I was skeptical and searched the case.net site for Missouri and found the record 13SL-CR12675-01 – ST V MICHAEL R BROWN, from which these charges originated. You can readily find this too, by searching for case number 13SL-CR12675-01. Note that the defendant in this case lives in Troy, MO, which is 47 miles from Ferguson, MO, according to Google Maps. Also note that the defendant was born in 1997, which would make him 17, rather than 18. It’s safe to say that these charges are being falsely attributed and the person spreading this is libeling Mike Brown.

You can see additional mentions of these charges at various websites by searching for “OCN: AJ006207″ on Google.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/14/1321543/-Proactive-Defense-of-Mike-Brown

canopfor on August 14, 2014 at 9:39 PM

Pork-Chop on August 14, 2014 at 9:27 PM

Thanks for the update.

ShainS on August 14, 2014 at 9:35 PM

Link brings up a Hot Air “Error 404″ page.

Guess we’ll all wait and see what color the cop was. As if it should matter.

de rigueur on August 14, 2014 at 9:45 PM

I was skeptical and searched the case.net site for Missouri and found the record 13SL-CR12675-01 – ST V MICHAEL R BROWN, from which these charges originated. You can readily find this too, by searching for case number 13SL-CR12675-01. Note that the defendant in this case lives in Troy, MO, which is 47 miles from Ferguson, MO, according to Google Maps. Also note that the defendant was born in 1997, which would make him 17, rather than 18. It’s safe to say that these charges are being falsely attributed and the person spreading this is libeling Mike Brown.

You can see additional mentions of these charges at various websites by searching for “OCN: AJ006207″ on Google.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/14/1321543/-Proactive-Defense-of-Mike-Brown

canopfor on August 14, 2014 at 9:39 PM

It’s from Daily Kos, so take it for what little it’s worth. But if this is true and this isn’t the Michael Brown who was killed, this leak is outrageous.

Bitter Clinger on August 14, 2014 at 9:47 PM

de rigueur on August 14, 2014 at 9:17 PM

The hacker Anonymous mistakenly identified the police dispatcher as the officer who shot Brown.

We have some agitators stoking vigilante “justice.”

onlineanalyst on August 14, 2014 at 9:47 PM

Because of the pervasiveness of rap culture/thug culture in our communities, gang signs do not necessarily imply gang affiliation. With that said, if Brown was about to start college. What was his GPA? His SAT or ACT? Or was the college thing BS?

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 14, 2014 at 9:48 PM

Well, good for the FOP.

And interesting to see Trayvon II is going according to script.

As I said, this time next week, a lot of people on the Left are going to be trying very hard to change the subject.

formwiz on August 14, 2014 at 9:48 PM

Link brings up a Hot Air “Error 404″ page.

Guess we’ll all wait and see what color the cop was. As if it should matter.

de rigueur on August 14, 2014 at 9:45 PM

Oops, sorry ’bout that — link failure: try again.

ShainS on August 14, 2014 at 9:49 PM

canopfor on August 14, 2014 at 9:39 PM

It’s from Daily Kos, so take it for what little it’s worth. But if this is true and this isn’t the Michael Brown who was killed, this leak is outrageous.

Bitter Clinger on August 14, 2014 at 9:47 PM

Bitter Clinger: I rarely ever go to KAOSKooks site,…but after
a google search,..it popped up, and so, it peeked
my interest:)

canopfor on August 14, 2014 at 9:51 PM

What I find real strange is that no one has any video of the occurrence with smartphones being everywhere.

Also I find it strange the witnesses couldn’t identify the cop. Except what they saw him do, it’s as if this cop was invisible.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 14, 2014 at 9:52 PM

VorDaj on August 14, 2014 at 8:20 PM

That was so last year. – Libs

Patriot Vet on August 14, 2014 at 9:53 PM

Michael Brown fatally shot in Ferguson, Mo.
8m

https://twitter.com/GadiNBCLA

Photo: Police in Los Angeles blocking road so protestors can continue to march down Broadway – @GadiNBCLA

https://twitter.com/GadiNBCLA/status/500094584542990338/photo/1

canopfor on August 14, 2014 at 9:56 PM

Bitter Clinger: I rarely ever go to KAOSKooks site,…but after
a google search,..it popped up, and so, it peeked
my interest:)

canopfor on August 14, 2014 at 9:51 PM

Nothing wrong with that. I just hope that a more legitimate source can verify this info. And as I said, if it is true, that’s shameful on the part of whoever leaked it.

Bitter Clinger on August 14, 2014 at 9:57 PM

There is a “we support the officer page.” This is the alleged officer’s “support” page.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 14, 2014 at 9:59 PM

We are being dragged thru this whole this by leftists and thugs and their helpers in the Media. These stupid stories about the reporters being arrested…they’ll do anything to add to the chaos.

This is a police case, and should be tried in a neutral fashion…an orderly fashion.

Leftists like Anonymous have hacked the Ferguson website early on. This has all the markings of a large and coordinated effort to de-legitimize the police, the courts, everyone…to muddy the waters.

Even libertarians have been co-opted into the cause

there are many reasons for the build up of police power. But some are easy to remember…for example the out-gunned police in the bank robbery in North Hollywood? CA…remember that.

people have forgotten that if the police watch and wait, like the Rodney King riots, people get killed, and communities wasted.

r keller on August 14, 2014 at 10:01 PM

Because of the pervasiveness of rap culture/thug culture in our communities, gang signs do not necessarily imply gang affiliation. With that said, if Brown was about to start college. What was his GPA? His SAT or ACT? Or was the college thing BS?

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 14, 2014 at 9:48 PM

He was registered at a vocational college to learn the HVAC trade.

slickwillie2001 on August 14, 2014 at 10:02 PM

Whoa! This black man is on a rant, and he doesn’t have any sympathy with the rioters, the marchers, or the race-baiters.
http://nation.foxnews.com/2014/08/14/wow-must-see-rant-black-american-against-ferguson-rioters

onlineanalyst on August 14, 2014 at 10:10 PM

There is a “we support the officer page.” This is the alleged officer’s “support” page.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 14, 2014 at 9:59 PM

This appears to be the incorrect name released by ‘Anonymous’.

Pork-Chop on August 14, 2014 at 10:12 PM

there are many reasons for the build up of police power. But some are easy to remember…for example the out-gunned police in the bank robbery in North Hollywood? CA…remember that.

people have forgotten that if the police watch and wait, like the Rodney King riots, people get killed, and communities wasted.

r keller on August 14, 2014 at 10:01 PM

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On the first night (in Ferguson), the local police were all there was to respond to the rioting, but by the second night a curfew should have been established, and the National Guard deployed.
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In the case of the Rodney King riots, there is NO valid explanation for why the riots caught the local authorities “off-guard”.
That one was seen coming by most any American paying attention

Contingencies should have been planned for, pending the verdict … and IMMEDIATELY put into effect upon public announcement of the verdict.

listens2glenn on August 14, 2014 at 10:15 PM

This appears to be the incorrect name released by ‘Anonymous’.

Pork-Chop on August 14, 2014 at 10:12 PM

That’s why I said it was “alleged” and didn’t name him here.

Raquel Pinkbullet on August 14, 2014 at 10:18 PM

Oops, sorry ’bout that — link failure: try again.

ShainS on August 14, 2014 at 9:49 PM

Thanks. From there it’s pretty easy to bring up the name and pictures of the man that the Anonymous group identified as Brown’s shooter.

But the St. Louis PD denied that the man identified shot Brown, or that he worked for the Ferguson PD or anywhere else in St. Louis County. From a website that covered this story:

Twitter quickly suspended the Anonymous account that threatened to post the officer’s identity and personal information. The site’s code of conduct strictly forbids the publication of private and confidential information without permission.

After the suspension, a secondary account announced that the group would not be releasing any more information for now.

I suspect that decision has less to do with Twitter’s Terms of Service than Anonymous’s realization that they’ve fingered an innocent man. According to the website I quoted above, the police originally had intended to release the officer’s name, but later reversed its stance, saying that there had been too many death threats to the officer and his family.

So a lot of people know who he is. But no one is saying. Curious, that.

de rigueur on August 14, 2014 at 10:18 PM

Whoa! This black man is on a rant, and he doesn’t have any sympathy with the rioters, the marchers, or the race-baiters.
http://nation.foxnews.com/2014/08/14/wow-must-see-rant-black-american-against-ferguson-rioters

onlineanalyst on August 14, 2014 at 10:10 PM

onlineanalyst: Awesome,..hes right, until they change from
the thuggery, it’ll never end:)

canopfor on August 14, 2014 at 10:21 PM

In the case of the Rodney King riots, there is NO valid explanation for why the riots caught the local authorities “off-guard”.
That one was seen coming by most any American paying attention

listens2glenn on August 14, 2014 at 10:15 PM

Political rumors at the time suggested that Los Angeles Police Chief Daryl Gates had some political scores to settle with Mayor Tom Bradley and deliberately let it burn.

de rigueur on August 14, 2014 at 10:24 PM

FWIW, A Democrat committee woman sees a white protester beaten by other protesters, not by cops and Ferg C of PD says his men have been shot at every night while no protesters have been injured.

Make of that what you will.

formwiz on August 14, 2014 at 10:48 PM

DisneyFan in the court of public opinion such a history(if even accurate does matter). We get to hear about what such a good man he was from his family. We sure as heck can hear the other side. There is a political side to this that has ramifications outside the legalities. You are correct from a legal sense for sure. On the other hand I doubt you ever complained when people do use the media to portray their “kids” as perfect and as pure as the driven snow as they try to sway the media and stir the pot. Am I wrong?

CW on August 14, 2014 at 10:51 PM

The justice departments aren’t there to help… They’re there to incite. Like with Trayvon…

Or have we forgotten that already…

Skywise on August 14, 2014 at 11:03 PM

Dancing and golfing fool!

Schadenfreude on August 14, 2014 at 11:41 PM

Political rumors at the time suggested that Los Angeles Police Chief Daryl Gates had some political scores to settle with Mayor Tom Bradley and deliberately let it burn.

de rigueur on August 14, 2014 at 10:24 PM

Nah.

Several factors contributed. First, they didn’t call out the National Guard because they didn’t want to “send the wrong message” at the beginning. The NG should have at least been standing by and ready a couple miles away.

Then instead of reinforcing lines and cracking down, they began pulling back police lines, and the rioters got the message they were now in control.

~~

Rioting and looting is easily stopped quickly by shooting them on sight. One or two is all it takes.

Adjoran on August 14, 2014 at 11:56 PM

Adjoran on August 14, 2014 at 11:56 PM

There’s no question that L.A. would have benefitted from actual cooperation between the Chief and the Mayor, both in planning for riots before the jury returned the verdict that set them off and in agreeing on a course of action once they’d begun. While Chief Gates attended a fund-raiser on the night the riots broke out– explaining later that “we were not engaged in a full scale riot at the time”– Mayor Bradley declared a state of emergency and called on the Governor for 2000 National Guard troops. Gates objected. (NY Times, May 4 and 6, 1992). To this day I’ve seen no satisfactory explanation for the pull back of the police lines.

I was there. By day three the looters had spread from downtown and South Central, across Koreatown, and had reached La Cienega, the street that separates “mid-town” from the westside (and Beverly Hills). Following the pattern the looters had established over the past 2 days, their cars began cruising through the business districts along La Cienega. Fire-bombing would have followed, and then the looters would have arrived en masse. Perhaps it was because their own “lines” (of retreat) were over-extended, with the armed resistance of the Korean community fresh in mind, but the cars turned tale back to Koreatown and South Central when citizens in the neighborhoods along La Cienega stepped out of their houses and storefronts brandishing rifles and began patrolling the sidewalks with arms held conspicuously at ready. That never got written up by the press, but the rioting stopped at La Cienega without any aid from the LAPD or the National Guard.

The day Gates retired, Bradley had the last word, accusing Gates of bringing Los Angeles “to the brink of disaster just to satisfy his own ego” (LA Times, June 28, 1992).

de rigueur on August 15, 2014 at 1:33 AM

Surprised that Blacks have not been marching in the streets for years complaining about the high unemployment Blacks have “enjoyed” during the Presidency of Obama.

albill on August 15, 2014 at 7:28 AM

the doj has people there advising the protesters.
got that?
advising the protesters.

dmacleo on August 14, 2014 at 8:34 PM

I’m just surprised DOJ had any employees to spare to help advise the Ferguson rioters/looters, since most of DOJ’s employees seem to be busy advising illegal aliens how best to exercise their “rights” to violate U.S. laws and take advantage of U.S. taxpayers.

AZCoyote on August 15, 2014 at 8:04 AM

He would have, if the officer were white. It is becoming apparent that the officer involved is black – which neutralizes obama’s ability to exploit the situation.

Pork-Chop on August 14, 2014 at 8:43 PM

Ferguson police identify officer who fatally shot Michael Brown

FERGUSON, Mo. — After withholding his name for nearly a week, the Ferguson Police Department on Friday publicly identified the white patrol officer who shot and killed an unarmed black teen.

Chief Thomas Jackson said the officer involved was Darren Wilson, who has been with the department for six years.

rukiddingme on August 15, 2014 at 10:09 AM

weedisgood on August 14, 2014 at 8:29 PM

I really don’t have any issue with Obama’s comments either. Is Holder stirring the pot – absolutely.

Zomcon JEM on August 15, 2014 at 11:43 AM